this is unfair no gamer has 99.00 a year and 49.00 a month to spend on this and i thought this was going to be free what a bunch of garbage

completely fail to get it once again....however this is do good for groups of gamers that can pull thier money together and help each other code but for indavenal gamers....meh

this is why i like the psp you can make homebrew apps,games and more for the price of a psp (1.50)

The pricing is a great idea!! This will help keep xbox live from being overcrowded with too many games; plus it will encourage people to make their games as good as possible, so that they can earn a return from the investment and then turn a profit.

limelight
I dont think any content you make for XNA is "yours" MS is renting you tools and asstance to make games for "them".

Creating a game this way for the 360 is less about making money and more about making a name for yourself. They are not going to undercut the $20,000 developers spend for developer kits.

If you want to make money, just make the game for the PC. That's completely free.

I can't see anyone really going for this. $250 a year for the 'opportunity' to program for the 360? Let's just work on getting Linux to run on the box and then program for that! What really good games run on Visual C or .NET, and why can't they just run on Windows? Just go buy that USB 360 controller and use TV-out if you really feel the need to help out MS.

Well I'm part of a group of people who are 'going for this" and I know I'm not alone. MS have actually followed through and what they promised - Windows XNA 4 Games free XBOX 360 XNA 4 Games at cheap cost.

This is actually cheap compared to other corporate supported homebrew solutions for consoles, such as Sony's Yaruze which actually made you pay for a whole other PSX console which only played homebrewed Yaruze apps/games....

Hail to MS for actually supporting the homebrew community and learning from their mistakes with the original XBOX scene (the majority of which illegally used the original XBOX SDK to develop countless amazing homebrewed apps including the now famous XBMC)!

All 360 haters can now exit stage left.... LOL

Sorry for the double post but I felt I had to add that some of those who are very keen on this are some of the biggest contributors to the original XBOX scene....no need to namedrop.

DR34MER
all in all its ok,they should have made better "poor" gamer options but as it is they need a larger better community before they can make "free" or cheap offerings.

Ha! No modern console appeals to the poor gamer anymore. Even the Wii's games and accessories put it out of that market. Handhelds are for the poorer gamers...ie children.

Gotta love market separation.

DR34MERThats not what I meant,the "poor" gamer has 200-500 a year to spend on gaming,and this leaves alot of people out of the loop,leaving only rich people or dedicated coders to fool with it.

Windows gamers get to play with it for free and to release compiled product for free. Considering that it requires a Windows OS to use XNA, MS aren't really being that unfair to those who wish to take a serious console SDK for a spin.

There simly isn't any other competing console that allows and offers a similar homebrew option.

DR34MER
and theres no large community to assist with the coding more reason to make it more premium,but I wodner if MS will assist you any you are paying them for the crap *L*

Zippy, I beg to differ. As does XBOX-SCENE (and the XBOX "scene" in general). Not to mention the millions of Windows gamers....

errrrrrr

DR34MER
Mmmmm I guess there is enough of a scene for MS to make money off of by doing this...hell they might even relax the anti copying/modding stuff since they are getting a flow of money from people who want to code....naw LOL

50 a year is not so bad but the 100 over the the price of the start up is just to high for any normal gamer.

Yeah but the normal gamer is lacking the man hour resources to make a decent 3D game on their lonesome. This is built to appeal to groups, which is exactly what said scene is made of...

lol dooomaaaas' "no gamer has 99 a yr & 49 3 times a yr but you had the $$$ to shell out for the games you play & the unit itself IF YOUR JUST A GAMER, PROGRAMMING ISN'T YOUR THING, don't buy it, just get cheese for that wine u got

Ya know its because of idiots like you that Microsoft can actually put crap out like this and charge for it!!! If you guys want the price of consoles and games to drop and not keep rising...Then do something about it instead of falling into mr gates' moneytrap!!!! You idiots are making him as rich as possible...I built a sick computer Pirated windows and i pirate every new game that comes out...And i know i'll be flamed for saying PIRATE but if shit wasn't sooooooo expensive we wouldn't haveto steal it...If you want send this directly to microsoft, sony, nintendo, and all those developers who are chargeing 60 bucks for a game you will beat in 6 hrs...Or the guys at blizzard who charge you 50 bucks for WoW and then have the balls to tell you that you dont own the game you bought a useless disk unless you want to continue to pay 15 a month to even be able to log in...These are the same guys who say that 15 a mo fee is for server upkeep...Well i am a server admin and i can tell you that 7 million ppl each paying 15 a mo isnt server upkeep its totally LEGAL Piracy that is why the pirate community and hackers/crackers exist...Cuz noone thinks photoshop cs2 is worth 800 USD...All in all if the game industry doesn't change there ways they will lose this war trust me...

This is geared for programmers, not your average gamer. Chances are if you have the proper programming skills to write a game, you already have a decent paying job and can easily afford this, the only exception is college and high school kids but this isn't an outrageous price for them either.

johnblaze
you both have a point


I'll add if sheeple stiff eat up the poo the corperations sale then things will never change.

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