When the PS2 slimline came out there was an offer the first week that if you handed in your old PS2 in working condition, and up to 5 certain games, you would get $150 i store credit at Gamestop/EB Games. this essentially gave you a free slimline for that trade in. Or you could just do the old PS2 and pay the $50 difference. So there usually are deals for those early adopters to upgrade at a cheaper price.

It is the price paid for getting things early, everything from special and unrated DVD's to equipment with newer and better features. Although I do believe Microsoft just had to be arrogant and give the Xbox a whole 4 year console life, while the PS@ to PS3 had a 6 year console life. Maybe in that extra year that could have made a few enhancements!

I was thinking of buying an Xbox360, but since this is supposed to come out, I guess I'll just wait. If I'm lucky, there might be a price drop around the same time.

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@gozilla

no where in that article did it say that v2 will come w/ an internal HD-DVD drive

also, MS has already said numerous times that they won't be putting any games out on HD-DVD so don't worry about that.

if this is true, the 120Gb drive would be nice though.

hmm you are right gehx, however i did read on a different site that the revisted xbox 360 may have an internal HD-DVD drive.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/01/05/MS_2nd_gen_xbox_360_hdmi_65nm/

got this from another site

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Dean T. of the Mercury News just made an oops and leaked some Xbox 360 announcements Microsoft was planning on dropping next week at CES. Not only does he mention the improved Xbox 360s with 120GB hard drives and HDMI ports, he also talks about the use of the Xbox 360 as an IPTV set-top-box.

The leak says Microsoft’s IPTV services will have instant channel change, multiple picture-in-picture, broadcast shows, video on demand, and DVR functionality—gotta use those 120GB for more than just trailers.

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I doubt M$ will bother will internal HD-DVD they make more money off having it external.

I guess microsoft just should have waited until they got their crap together before releasing this thing. Instead they rushed it out to get ahead of sony and now everyone who bought one is screwed. I mean I would be so mad if I was dumb enough to have bought one of these. I seriously doubt the price will remain the same as the article states. What is the price going to be? Around $600 bucks?

This wont be so bad AS long as they offer the extras in the new model as upgrades for the old.

its not bad but at the same time not good for people that beta tested for MS on the first wave...

All the more reasons to wait and buy one later!

does the new version of the xbox 360 need a new Xtreme firmware???

As for firmware. We will have to be patient. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a pretty well redesigned from the ground up console hit the shelves. If I was M$ senior management the firmware hack and the weakness in the dvd drive is a hole I would certainly want addressed before they hit the shops.
I know for a fact that a senior member of the M$ console manufacturing team (resources) was very interested in the possibilities of liquid cooling of the cpu and gpu, enough to contact a homebrew modder and ask some really technical questions about it, and the effectiveness of the system.
We will have to wait and see what happens.

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If they do come out with the 120 gig hard drive. It's more than likely MS will have it so it's backward compatible with the v1 360.(At My local Downtown Best Buy They have the Hard Drives In Stock and are selling them pretty quickly) I have A 360 and I'm not too concerned over the HDMI support It plays just fine on my TV. What They Should do is come out with a limited edition 360 where the casing is either transparent or a nice polished chrome! :D

"Will this make the version 1 consoles cheaper since it offers fewer options? Despite the fact the new console should be cheaper to make on a 65nm, including HDMI means Microsoft has to pay royalties on every console sold. Add into the fact it will need a separate !!!firmware!!! to the version 1 consoles and you’ve increased the work, and cost, on your development team."
does the firmware that bit-tech talking about is the one we need to hack the xbox 360????

well this is a interesting thought MS can control money bleeding on the 360 is they are in fact losing money on it,by releasing a new model once ever 1-3 years and never lowering the price of it.

rev v 2
new CPU
new mobo

new HDD(altho I think it will be a add on and not with the console)

rev 3(around 090-011)
more effecaint cpu/mobo?
120GB HDD
HDDVD


I think MS has a good idea,bad for consumers but tis a good idea.
they really should have just made it in parts and you can add as you go this new "core" every few years is a frighting idea on one hand...on the other it saves us from 15 revisions of 1 console toned down to a max of 5 revisions and a price drop of 100 every 2-4 years.

It appears that they also missed the boat on another important upgrade; compatibility with older XBox games. I didn't buy a 360 for this reason alone. But, if they'd include backward compatibility in a new release, I'd get one in a heartbeat.

Microsoft, you boned your loyal customers on the first release of the XBox 360, please don't do it again!

@nfatoys

they have backward compt., but not for all titles atm. they keep releasing bc for older titles about every couple of months.


also, why not just use your xbox 1 for xbox 1 titles, that why you won't wear out the laser as fast on your 360.

what about people who already got a 360 and dont have hdmi? they should get replacements as something like that is unexcusable. it would agrivate more of their fans, but they would sell more this generation. im sure ms is willing to take that hit for money now though.

Yeah thats the thing about it, it doesnt really matter if they release a newer one that has the cooler 65nm processor or the HDD because its just a hardware revision but its when they release ones with newer features that the older ones cant do thats the problem. Like HDMI, unless they release external HDMI addon.

Like the guy who mentioned the PS2 Slim, the only new feature it had was the built in Network adaptor which could easily be purchased for the older models. So its completely irrelevant.

the hdmi plug is not need at all for hd tv. 1080p comes across just fine using componet cables. all hdmi is used for is a direct digital to digital feed right? guess what, until you get a screen over 70" the human eye cannot tell the differance. and oh wait thats only if you get within 3 feet, if you sit at normal and recommended distance away then you can never tell the differance! but hdmi also carries sound to! so does fiber obtic and fiber does a better job. all hdmi is, is a standard
that was introduced by the MPAA to force DRM (HDCP by intel)down our throats.

you can keep that crap

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^^yes that is very true but when HDCP comes into play for HD-DVD you will need to have HDMI or your Picture Quality Will be limited to stand definition making the HD-DVD upgrade a waste of money for future movies.

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SO CONFUSING!

andrew i agree, it will only be a matter of time before that is correct.
the only thing is both blu ray and hd dvd both support now hdcp. the reason the xbox add on works currently without the down grade is the fact that the MPAA was unable to convice the hardware providers (not just m$ but everyone)to implement hdcp thru hdmi out the gate. this would have ticked to many people off who had purchase hd tvs without hdmi imputs. so all current players have to support component outputs for now

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hdcp will come into play in '09 or '10. i feel bad for those with componant only next-gen disc boxes.

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Looks like it's just a rumour, if it does come out it probably won't be for a while:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/754/754240p1.html

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Microsoft Throws Spanner into HDMI Rumour Mill
Pictures of upgraded 360 are just "experimentation".
by Rob Burman, IGN UK
UK, January 10, 2007 - Last week hearts and minds of 360 owners were sent fluttering into overdrive thanks to rumours of a revised console. A photograph purporting to be from a reliable source showed what some people had been silently dreaming about at night - a HDMI port and a bigger hard drive.

But like some kind of horrific monster that preys on children's thoughts, Microsoft's Christ Satchell has turned those dreams into nightmares. "At the moment, everything you might have seen is just looking at our experimentation back in Redmond, not really a product that we're thinking about announcing," he told Gamespot. We're now imagining scientists in lab coats pouring strangely coloured liquid from test tubes into the console's disc drive and waiting to see if it explodes.

Satchell also touched on the subject on the larger capacity hard drive - which has progressively increased in size in various rumours and now stands at 120GB. "As we produce these services, if we see an increase in pressure that's something that will be interesting to look at, but there isn't any announcement today about any new configuration that may or may not be happening," he added. Maybe if you go to Microsoft HQ and cry on the pavement outside it'll persuade Satchell a little bit more?

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HDCP?

It might come but then again it might not.....what business in it's right mind would want to deliberately cut itself off from the huge numbers of potential customers out there already?

The Satchell comments strike me as typical a typical company 'holding' statement, saying nothing in particular either way.

We know the 65nm processor is coming soon and it's a fair bet the bigger HDD will come then too.

It remains to be seen if HDMI will appear but frankly who cares that much about it?
It might make connectivity a little easier but people day-dreaming that it's so incredibly "vital" either don't know that much about HDMI and it's application or are just sadly mistaken.

because, by then its not a company decision, is a requirement by the law. the analog channels are going to be freed up for other use, and techknolagy needs to progress. why shouldnt they force people? all you have to do is pick up a budget digital television for no more that 75-100 bucks.

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Originally posted by anubis66:

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because, by then its not a company decision, is a requirement by the law. the analog channels are going to be freed up for other use, and techknolagy needs to progress. why shouldnt they force people? all you have to do is pick up a budget digital television for no more that 75-100 bucks.

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The law only applies to the devices, the media providers still have the option not to set the hdcp flag on their content, and they've chosen not to do so in the immediate future. Also, there are ways around this protection already, they've already made components that can strip out the encryption and are being sold in countries where it's legal to do so.