Yes its true I wouldn't even PIRATE windows vista. A friend had been beta testing vista and was offering me a FREE valid license for it and I bought XP instead. Many printers and sound cards won't work on Vista. I love my Alienware clone and adding Vista would force me to buy a new sound card and probably a new monitor. Its not worth it. If software makers stop developing software for XP i'll just go Linux and that will be that.

BTW vista has been hacked however even the Pirates can't give away the crap let alone someone buying a legit copy of vista sorry to say.

If microsoft stops allowing updates for XP I think people should fight to the death. The FREE is gone and only the Dom is left. Actually it should be spelled Dumb.

I hope he freaks out again on stage like that one time...
the vid is on youtube somewhere.

Oh silly billionaires and their silly dances.

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It's all pretty much been said here already.

I know 2 people running Vista (new computers from Dell). It is a dog. You need 2 Gig just to use the damn thing with any speed at all.

Eventually the DRM will be circumvented and CD's and DVD's will be easy copies again. Eventually the bugs will be sorted out and be fixed (though why it was put on the market with these is beyond comprehension). Eventually Vista will become the prime operating system used, just like XP did.

Microsoft is far from dead, and this will not hurt them in the long run. Hardware will all be Vista compatible, as well as future software. We can rail against the machine all we want, but MS knows as does everybody here, that all the sheep will eventually fall to the wolf.

I swore I would never use XP as did many people, but here we are typing away on our Dell XP driven computers.

I do not want to sound like a commercial for Vista, but just like when XP was first introduced the immediate future is already written. The handfull of people buying inferior macs will once again regret their decisions in a year or two, the Linux users will always be Linux users, but the majority of computer users will be online with Vista.

I for one will wait until either XP is no longer supported and Vista is as mainstream as XP is now, or my machine fries itself in a ball of steaming plastic before I upgrade to Vista. By then maybe it will be a stable OS. Though it will probably never be worth the computer power it requires, it will still be the most hardware and software supported option available.

As for Piracy being the cause of their low sales, this guy needs a drink quickly. He knows, as the words come out of his mouth that he is lying. Just another excuse for even more compute cycles to be used to stop me from copying my CD's for use in my car.

Vista is currently overpriced, not stable AT ALL, not hardware or software compatible with virtually anything, and cannot be put on any currently operating computer without some major hardware upgrading. It should have never been released in this form and should be viewed as an attempt to mollify the RIAA and MPAA, this was it's only reason for existance.

to SlaTheR

Well said...
I too will also not pay the several thousand dollars for new software and items needed just to use the new monster that has been created.

Tejasmed

Yes, this is just the usual. It is buggy and requires too much hardware for the moment. In a couple of years the 64 bit OS will come in handy. By that time most of the bugs will be out and the bottem of the line computers will have enough hardware to run it.

I have a friend who is looking to buy a computer. I am afraid if she buys that Laptop now she'll have Vista in it. Not a good thing. I wonder if you can format over Vista and put XP back in? For I think Vista is gonna be like Windows ME. It will be big for 3 months and then fold because it truly sucks. Almost worse than ME. If I had to pick between Vista and ME I'd take ME. We all know how crash prone ME is. Well vista is a ton worse.

Originally posted by vudoo:

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I have a friend who is looking to buy a computer. I am afraid if she buys that Laptop now she'll have Vista in it. Not a good thing. I wonder if you can format over Vista and put XP back in? For I think Vista is gonna be like Windows ME. It will be big for 3 months and then fold because it truly sucks. Almost worse than ME. If I had to pick between Vista and ME I'd take ME. We all know how crash prone ME is. Well vista is a ton worse.

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yes you can remove vister and use your OS of choice however you need to make sure you have the drivers for XP for it.

Right now it is still an option. I know HP has all the Vista complaints routed to a different phone number. They now it is buggy but they want to please MS. Just tell her to insist on XP. Make sure she makes a back up of her system because they do not supply disks anymore. This way you need to buy the OS and what ever all over again if the HD crashes.

I think that we should all agree that microsoft's plan was not to release an OS that everyone runs out to buy on the official release date, regardless of what is said about slow sales, that was obviously a "bone" to the RIAA and MPAA, to justify their intrusion into developing the software, their real plan, like it has been all along from win95, is to develop software that'll be running well into the future to ensure their market position for another decade, as machines off the shelf increase in speed and performance the upgrades will become a non issue and vista will gain just as big a marketshare as xp has.

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I think that we should all agree that microsoft's plan was not to release an OS that everyone runs out to buy on the official release date, regardless of what is said about slow sales, that was obviously a "bone" to the RIAA and MPAA, to justify their intrusion into developing the software, their real plan, like it has been all along from win95, is to develop software that'll be running well into the future to ensure their market position for another decade, as machines off the shelf increase in speed and performance the upgrades will become a non issue and vista will gain just as big a marketshare as xp has.

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but wouldn't a better running OS sale now and keep them going another 5 years?
or can MS even build a better OS anymore...

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To me a better running OS is out there now in Linux. But what is a better running OS really, the adware, virus', and spyware all come along with popularity of the os, no? I mean when we really think about it, if us afterdawn-ers were the only people running xp or vista, wouldn't we brag about it to the mac users who cannot really tweak their OS and linux users who, inmho, spend more time doing that than running software. It IS a remarkable piece of software when you think about it, most of the time it is seamless, when it's a chore or obtrusive, it's because I want it to do something that it's not currently doing.

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To me a better running OS is out there now in Linux. But what is a better running OS really, the adware, virus', and spyware all come along with popularity of the os, no? I mean when we really think about it, if us afterdawn-ers were the only people running xp or vista, wouldn't we brag about it to the mac users who cannot really tweak their OS and linux users who, inmho, spend more time doing that than running software. It IS a remarkable piece of software when you think about it, most of the time it is seamless, when it's a chore or obtrusive, it's because I want it to do something that it's not currently doing.

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If lunix was the main OS of the world it would have as many troubles of windose in the respect of adware and virus and even hacking.

that aside my question was
If MS made vista to come in 2 home flavors 32 Home and 64 Premium 150 and 250 respectively(business models bing more of corse) ,req for basic features including Aero would be 1GB ram and 256MB video card, handled the drivers a bit better for a smoother trnasistion and made a compete BWC mode that let most if not all older programs/drivers work without a problem,this is what I mean by better.

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What's better about that? M$ build buggy crap that costs top dollar, and nearly every application for it costs money.

Steve Ballmer should go boil his head (if he can find it without GPS technology)

Just for the record. I don't spend as much time fiddling with my OS as the average windoze user has to. 5 minutes a week on a rootkit and trojan scan and the odd update is about it.
Want to know a secret? 80% of websites you visit are run on some flavour of linux/unix. Why don't people write malware for linux? simple answer.. no two linux systems are alike. Mine is debian, and because I have a choice of where everything goes when I install something there is very little chance of writing malware that can find it's way around once it gets in. You need a small understanding of HOW things work, and what relies on what, and where things are. Nothing is a live executable unless I say it is.. result Jan 1..malware 0

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agree completely.
As far as a BETTER os goes...i think we expect windows to do ALOT out of the box. Complete backward compatibility, or the lack of a "planned obsolescence" would negate the business model of any company that markets a product as compared to a service.
I dunno, believe me i am no MS fanboy, but that's because they've got me and 90% of other computer users in a choke-hold, not because their product is sub-standard.

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I dunno, believe me i am no MS fanboy, but that's because they've got me and 90% of other computer users in a choke-hold, not because their product is sub-standard.

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Thanks for brightening up my day. They have you in a choke hold by use of an abusive, monopolistic marketing strategy.

That the product is sub-standard is without question. Because it is closed source you are not even given the opportunity to fix it.
It is the fault of the 90% that it has got to this situation.. zippy calls them "sheeple". I prefer "too downright lazy to try something different".. same point really..
When you paint your fence do you ask the builders what colour to paint it? When you masturbate do you let somebody else tell you how long for and which hand? I don't think so..so why let M$ tell you what you will install and what you can't?

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[quote]I dunno, believe me i am no MS fanboy, but that's because they've got me and 90% of other computer users in a choke-hold, not because their product is sub-standard.

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Thanks for brightening up my day. They have you in a choke hold by use of an abusive, monopolistic marketing strategy.

That the product is sub-standard is without question. Because it is closed source you are not even given the opportunity to fix it.
It is the fault of the 90% that it has got to this situation.. zippy calls them "sheeple". I prefer "too downright lazy to try something different".. same point really..[/quote]Bbaaa =0-o=
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the vocies are annoying today perhaps I need to reinstall my OS :P

missing30
downside to BWC is that you might have to run net off in order to run a program or even reboot into a safe mode that will allow such things,hell they have the power to make XP and 95 run IN VISTER as a virtual drive and use a driver and emulation system to pipe the 3d games and such,I am slowy gather parts for a 2nd PC I think I am getting ready for lunix because MS dosent want to do anything for the consumer.

Hell 'd pay 15 a month for a working windows OS that had full BWC and was less anti consumer than XP/vister......

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Whatever the product may be, ANY company's goal is to create a product that EVERYONE must have (or wants), Ford did it, ATT did it, hell, even IBM did it befor M$oft came along. M$oft did 'em one better, m$oft even beat the g'vment's silly little anti-trust laws, they won the great American game, not because of a superior product, but because they were able to do what EVERY company wants to do, Acquire a company or product before it blows up in popularity, and make a "gazillion dollars" once it pops.
And no matter what i wake up tomorrow wanting to do...video edit...3d game..CAD...DTP..or just get beat up-on on the afterdawn forums i can do it using XP.
Again i'm no fan of M$soft. But just because i have limited options.

I can't remember the exact issue so this could be skewed some. I read that if Vista feels the software you're installing is unsafe or pirated and you install it anyway, Vista will disable itself in 3 days rendering your OS and everything on it lost. Until you call MS to 'unlock' it.

Evidentily there is a big backlash over this.

I've just about had it with MS. This Big Brother business is going to far. The bugs. The hotfixes. The bloated crap. The crashes. Piracy protection schemes. Enough is enough. I use my computer as a tool. Not something that I have to constantly tweak, restore, fix, update and worry about every day.

I'd really like to try Linux but I've only used it w/VMware at work and feel lost. If it has a GUI and is compatable w/my HW and SW, I'll switch.

Do you lose a lot of compatability or ? when switching from Windows to Linux?

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agree completely.
As far as a BETTER os goes...i think we expect windows to do ALOT out of the box. Complete backward compatibility, or the lack of a "planned obsolescence" would negate the business model of any company that markets a product as compared to a service.
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What a load of rubbish. Let me ask you first off. What particular Linux distro are you talking about, or are you referring to them all!!! Major difference between open source software and well lets say micro$oft is ROOT. Most Linux distros do not allow you to run root user unless you are working with the system of course. So only real way to get attacked is if you allow it, by way of signing in to root and giving the infection the all clear to install!!!!!!
And lets be really serious here, how many of the servers in the world run on microshit software? and how many run on Unix / Linux software?
Maybe you should look into what Im saying before replying.
But be rest assured the rest of the world hasn't quite grassped the complicated side of linux distros, and thats why most linux products are not very popular.
In my opinion its just lazyness on the consumer part, we all have eyes and can all read and who was able to slip right into any OS the first time they used a PC.

Switching to Linux is fairly easy. You have two choices of either a dual boot system, keeping your old OS and adding Linux on another partition. If you don't play games you could reformat the HD and run Linux using the whole drive. There are several choices out there. The most familiar is to install Red Hat Fedora which is free and without the support that the commercial RHEL has, or you can go and install Ubuntu which is also free and comes with updates and support. Right now I'm running Mandriva and am very satisfied with it. Most off-the-shelf boxes will have no trouble installing or running Linux. Its only if you are running some exotic hardware that you may run into problems. Yes Linux has a slightly higher learning curve, but it is worth the effort to learn. If you have ever run DOS then you will have no trouble with Linux. Pretty Basic (Pun intended) Smile

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Switching to Linux is fairly easy. You have two choices of either a dual boot system, keeping your old OS and adding Linux on another partition. If you don't play games you could reformat the HD and run Linux using the whole drive. There are several choices out there. The most familiar is to install Red Hat Fedora which is free and without the support that the commercial RHEL has, or you can go and install Ubuntu which is also free and comes with updates and support. Right now I'm running Mandriva and am very satisfied with it. Most off-the-shelf boxes will have no trouble installing or running Linux. Its only if you are running some exotic hardware that you may run into problems. Yes Linux has a slightly higher learning curve, but it is worth the effort to learn. If you have ever run DOS then you will have no trouble with Linux. Pretty Basic (Pun intended) Smile

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Dual boot is simply not a option I like my windows machine to run 24/7,I am clueless on linux for the most part need to do more reading up when I get the other computer more complete.

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well, if you look at things now, it's looking like the only reason they put out vista was to push out their "Games for Windows" platform. they're going to start doing a "Windows Live" now that works like xbox live, which you have to pay 50 dollars a year for.

i think they're hoping to rope some of the console gamers over to pc, and make them pay an incredibly inflated OS price, as well as for the hardware that's required to run the aforementioned bloated OS.

so... now they want us to pay for the privilege of playing online with vista... what a wonderful new os.

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well, if you look at things now, it's looking like the only reason they put out vista was to push out their "Games for Windows" platform. they're going to start doing a "Windows Live" now that works like xbox live, which you have to pay 50 dollars a year for.

i think they're hoping to rope some of the console gamers over to pc, and make them pay an incredibly inflated OS price, as well as for the hardware that's required to run the aforementioned bloated OS.

so... now they want us to pay for the privilege of playing online with vista... what a wonderful new os.

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Yes with vister in place PCs wont have extra bandwidth and CPU power to run servers and keep MPing free...*rolls eyes* man dose MS have to make everything cost?

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It's still Gonna stay Xp For Me !

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Windows had its day and chose to bed with the MPAA to infest ppl's computers/networks with DRM even one of the most loyal customers of m$ is to start to use linux since the introduction of vista!

Dell to offer linux OMG
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=8498

itz funny how piracy is always the blame. not a lame code bloated os that doesn't work.