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Pirates offer up fully cracked Vista on Internet

18 May 2007 19:46 by James "Dela" Delahunty | 60 comments

It has been a few months since Microsoft unleashed its new Windows Vista operating system to the public, and during the time while it has sold millions of legitimate copies, crackers have been trying to get around its anti-piracy measures which Microsoft claims to have significantly improved over XP. There has been a variety of options to pirates, including workarounds to delay activation indefinitely and the OEM BIOS cracks that have floated around.

However, pirates do show that they complain even about stuff they get for free, and many find even the BIOS hacks too hard to follow. Warez group, NoPe, recently gave these lazy gits a surprise with a release of Windows Vista that works straight from installation, no serial input necessary and no activation to crack or get around.

Amusingly, it would appear that this "release" needs even less manual labor than the copies of Windows XP that are distributed with key generators and cracks and feedback in all the regular places shows some users find it works properly whatever the case, others claim it will only work as promised on a Dell machine.

Of course it remains to be seen how Microsoft will respond to this attack and all the rest since Vista'a launch when it comes to Windows Update and Vista's special features. We do not write about these attacks on Vista security to support piracy at all but there has been such media attention to Microsoft's promise to tackle piracy of its products on all fronts that it's important to report on the company's progress in doing so without keeping aspects of it as taboo.

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pmshah (Newbie) 20 May 2007 18:26
From what I have seen anyone who can do copy paste should not have any problems in using the BIOS crack. Apparently the procedure is very well explained in an easy to follow text file. [ + quote]
Viperz_7 (Newbie) 20 May 2007 20:23
Originally posted by Wylee: this is kinda strange....arent ppl at miscrosoft supposed to be smarter than pirates and hackers? thats why they have jobs right? why is microsoft paying them if they cant prevent the system frum being hacked? and didnt microsoft know all these problems where guna hapen? like hardware issues? thats the dummest thing ever. If i was one of the top computer software companies wudnt i be smart enuff to ensure my product is compatible with everyone? and user frendly? M$ is so stupid. Firstly, there are so many people on this forum that I'd like to reply to my head is spinning just thinking about it. I�m not going to spend hours ranting and raving about different things that most of you will probably ignore anyway, so I�ll just point out a few. Concerning the post above, it�s not Microsoft�s job to ensure hardware compatibility. They are for the most part, a software manufacturer. In other words, they make the software that runs on the computer. It�s up to the OEM (or Original Equipment Manufacturer for those that don�t know), to come up with drivers that will ensure compatibility with the chosen operating systems. As for Microsoft being smart enough to know people were going to hack their software, of course they know it�s going to happen, given enough people with too much time on their hands anything can be hacked. Just take a quick look around you, Microsoft isn�t the only one being hacked, they�re just the biggest so everyone has issues with them and rants continue to propigate because they are number one. If the situations were reversed it would be Apple or Linux software that would be getting the bum rap, not Microsoft. For the guy that Beta Tested RC1 and is btching that some of his hardware wouldn�t work, are you kidding me?? Do you even know what the term BETA TESTER means? And if you have to ask how to remove the message you�re seeing, perhaps you should not beta test anymore software, well, operating systems anyway. (They do tell you to install it on a secondary machine because problems may arise). For the guy that�s not interested in updating his hardware to meet Vista�s requirements, then staying with XP is the right choice for you. Vista is designed for the future; faster more demanding hardware is required. In fact, if you look back the same thing happened when Windows XP was released and everyone btched because they couldn�t use their parallel port printers anymore, which by the way, most decent OEM�s found a way around this. Those that couldn�t fade and I don�t remember hearing anything else about it since. For the guy complaining about the price of Vista, sure go pay the full retail of the full Ultimate install (which comes with both 32 and 64 bit) and you�ll pay around $400 at most places here in the US, but if you�re into saving money you could look around and find the full version upgrade for around $260 and the OEM full install for less than $180. But then again you probably just pay full price when you buy your Dell computer and don�t worry about the OS by itself like real computer builders do. I am currently running two computers (both home built) with Windows Vista Ultimate and didn�t pay for either copy and they�re both fully legal. I�ve even got one setup in my living room as my PVR and it works better then my TiVo. To all those who say they don�t like Vista and can�t find their way around, all I can say is you probably didn�t give it much of a chance. When I was first in the Beta, I hated the look and feel of it. In fact, I hated XP when it first came out as well. I don�t like software that tries to do everything for you, but as I�ve learned the ins and outs and figured out how to change things to my liking I�ve come to adore Vista just as much as I did Windows ME. Now you fan boys of OS X and Linux can grope and complain all you want, you�re going to do it anyway, Vista is an awesome OS for NEW hardware and I for one like to update my machine every year. I�m not the type to sit back and wait till my hardware dies from old age before replacing it, I like being on the front of new technology and the only way you can stay there is with Vista and there�s just no other way around it. One final word concerning the hacking of software and hardware, for the most part, true hackers do what they do for the sport of it. Most groups and some single players like the challenge of taking what someone else has done and seeing what they can do with it. Especially when someone says you can�t do it with mine. If any of you are aware of usenet or IRC you�ll know what I�m referring to. Most of the groups listed in this area encourage the purchase of videos and programs that you use, that�s how they get the files before they crack them. It�s a big deal in the underworld to release a zero-day product and if you don�t believe me, just check this article concerning the hacking of a Mac OS zero-day patch that earned someone a $12,000 prize ZDnet. Most of the people around that complain a hack is too hard to replicate are just whiny kids looking for a free ride because mom or dad won�t buy them something they want now and can�t live without. They�re too lazy to earn it and too lazy to follow simple instructions, they just want someone to do it for them. I know this from firsthand experience, I�ve had way too many people ask me for help, when in fact what they really wanted was for me to just do it for them. Finally to those that are going to say I�m just a Microsoft plant or some lame crap, I assure you I am in no way affiliated with the company other than a user of their technology (software and hardware), and will continue to be far into the future. I have been around computers for many, many years and don�t see any change in that anytime soon. I have Beta tested multiple OS�s across many platforms, as well as numerous games and hardware for various manufacturers. Just my two cents worth.. take it or leave it. Viperz [ + quote]
wolf123 (Member) 20 May 2007 21:10
Quote: Originally posted by Wylee: this is kinda strange....arent ppl at miscrosoft supposed to be smarter than pirates and hackers? thats why they have jobs right? why is microsoft paying them if they cant prevent the system frum being hacked? and didnt microsoft know all these problems where guna hapen? like hardware issues? thats the dummest thing ever. If i was one of the top computer software companies wudnt i be smart enuff to ensure my product is compatible with everyone? and user frendly? M$ is so stupid. Firstly, there are so many people on this forum that I'd like to reply to my head is spinning just thinking about it. I�m not going to spend hours ranting and raving about different things that most of you will probably ignore anyway, so I�ll just point out a few. Concerning the post above, it�s not Microsoft�s job to ensure hardware compatibility. They are for the most part, a software manufacturer. In other words, they make the software that runs on the computer. It�s up to the OEM (or Original Equipment Manufacturer for those that don�t know), to come up with drivers that will ensure compatibility with the chosen operating systems. As for Microsoft being smart enough to know people were going to hack their software, of course they know it�s going to happen, given enough people with too much time on their hands anything can be hacked. Just take a quick look around you, Microsoft isn�t the only one being hacked, they�re just the biggest so everyone has issues with them and rants continue to propigate because they are number one. If the situations were reversed it would be Apple or Linux software that would be getting the bum rap, not Microsoft. For the guy that Beta Tested RC1 and is btching that some of his hardware wouldn�t work, are you kidding me?? Do you even know what the term BETA TESTER means? And if you have to ask how to remove the message you�re seeing, perhaps you should not beta test anymore software, well, operating systems anyway. (They do tell you to install it on a secondary machine because problems may arise). For the guy that�s not interested in updating his hardware to meet Vista�s requirements, then staying with XP is the right choice for you. Vista is designed for the future; faster more demanding hardware is required. In fact, if you look back the same thing happened when Windows XP was released and everyone btched because they couldn�t use their parallel port printers anymore, which by the way, most decent OEM�s found a way around this. Those that couldn�t fade and I don�t remember hearing anything else about it since. For the guy complaining about the price of Vista, sure go pay the full retail of the full Ultimate install (which comes with both 32 and 64 bit) and you�ll pay around $400 at most places here in the US, but if you�re into saving money you could look around and find the full version upgrade for around $260 and the OEM full install for less than $180. But then again you probably just pay full price when you buy your Dell computer and don�t worry about the OS by itself like real computer builders do. I am currently running two computers (both home built) with Windows Vista Ultimate and didn�t pay for either copy and they�re both fully legal. I�ve even got one setup in my living room as my PVR and it works better then my TiVo. To all those who say they don�t like Vista and can�t find their way around, all I can say is you probably didn�t give it much of a chance. When I was first in the Beta, I hated the look and feel of it. In fact, I hated XP when it first came out as well. I don�t like software that tries to do everything for you, but as I�ve learned the ins and outs and figured out how to change things to my liking I�ve come to adore Vista just as much as I did Windows ME. Now you fan boys of OS X and Linux can grope and complain all you want, you�re going to do it anyway, Vista is an awesome OS for NEW hardware and I for one like to update my machine every year. I�m not the type to sit back and wait till my hardware dies from old age before replacing it, I like being on the front of new technology and the only way you can stay there is with Vista and there�s just no other way around it. One final word concerning the hacking of software and hardware, for the most part, true hackers do what they do for the sport of it. Most groups and some single players like the challenge of taking what someone else has done and seeing what they can do with it. Especially when someone says you can�t do it with mine. If any of you are aware of usenet or IRC you�ll know what I�m referring to. Most of the groups listed in this area encourage the purchase of videos and programs that you use, that�s how they get the files before they crack them. It�s a big deal in the underworld to release a zero-day product and if you don�t believe me, just check this article concerning the hacking of a Mac OS zero-day patch that earned someone a $12,000 prize ZDnet. Most of the people around that complain a hack is too hard to replicate are just whiny kids looking for a free ride because mom or dad won�t buy them something they want now and can�t live without. They�re too lazy to earn it and too lazy to follow simple instructions, they just want someone to do it for them. I know this from firsthand experience, I�ve had way too many people ask me for help, when in fact what they really wanted was for me to just do it for them. Finally to those that are going to say I�m just a Microsoft plant or some lame crap, I assure you I am in no way affiliated with the company other than a user of their technology (software and hardware), and will continue to be far into the future. I have been around computers for many, many years and don�t see any change in that anytime soon. I have Beta tested multiple OS�s across many platforms, as well as numerous games and hardware for various manufacturers. Just my two cents worth.. take it or leave it. Viperz I like you you have all the right thoughts in your post way too go. I would like too get vista because I like the look of it but should I wait till it is more compatible with everything maybe by the end of the year. I also know if you go out and buy a computer you will get vista now was that a dumb or smart move on manufacturer. I Got my computer about October last year so I get xp home And I still rather have the Pro or media center edition. But oh well you get what you get. Also I just added Ubuntu so now I have 2 OS's on this computer and I like that messing around with that Linux is fun. [ + quote]
pigfister (Inactive) 21 May 2007 1:03
Originally posted by Viperz_7: I�ve come to adore Vista just as much as I did Windows ME. what a load of spin and piffle, all i saw was WINDOWS ME, omg, but you are right about the comparison between me and vista, the worst bloated gui os ever created! "In a world of universal deceipt, telling the truth ia a revolutionary act." George Orwell 1984 Tor: anonymity on-line STOP the spying! http://tor.eff.org/ [ + quote] This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 21 May 2007 1:03
zrdb (Member) 21 May 2007 18:16
I downloaded this and tried it-it works as advertised. [ + quote]
Unfocused (Junior Member) 21 May 2007 18:47
It is if it is a game to crack Microsoft's products. [ + quote]
aone (Newbie) 21 May 2007 20:41
i never complained about xp. i know new OSes have bugs. i complain about vista, and their DRM, and their uac, and yea, i complain about the lack of program compatibility which will or won't be fixed sometime in the future. but mostly about DRM, and uac. [ + quote]
borhan9 (AfterDawn Addict) 21 May 2007 20:55
Quote: Originally posted by Viperz_7:I�ve come to adore Vista just as much as I did Windows ME. I can understand how Vista you can like. I do like it as and OS its not the best yet but has potential. As for ME mate were you born yesterday ME was the worst thing Microsoft has ever brought out ever. If you ever invested in that OS you should use that OS as a Coaster. [ + quote]
pmshah (Newbie) 22 May 2007 21:02
What hardware upgrade are people talking about? Recently I had to switch hard disks betwen 2 Athlon XP 2400+ systems running at 2.0 ghz. . One with 1 gb ram & 120 gb drive, the other with 512mb ram & 160 gb drive. BTW both with only the standard via-s3 on board video only. The system with 1 gb system had trial version Vista business installed on it. After switching Vista continued to run, at a comparable speed of XP. Good enough for the ned user for what he is doing with it, browse, email & Skype phone. No complaints whatsoever. [ + quote]
ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 22 May 2007 22:04
Originally posted by pmshah: What hardware upgrade are people talking about? Recently I had to switch hard disks betwen 2 Athlon XP 2400+ systems running at 2.0 ghz. . One with 1 gb ram & 120 gb drive, the other with 512mb ram & 160 gb drive. BTW both with only the standard via-s3 on board video only. The system with 1 gb system had trial version Vista business installed on it. After switching Vista continued to run, at a comparable speed of XP. Good enough for the ned user for what he is doing with it, browse, email & Skype phone. No complaints whatsoever. ---------------------------- your probably running Vista 32bit HOME .... [ + quote]
smg (Member) 22 May 2007 22:17
My refurbished ACER laptop came with VISTA on it and I reformatted the hdd and put XP Home on it. I got tired of VISTA constantly needing my permission to do every single thing. And when I couldnt do something because it needed administrators rights (and I am the administrator..or so I thought) I decided that was the last straw. But how do I make the C partition (that I used to put my XP Home OS on) as Active? Also on my other ACER laptop (this one had Media Center Edition OS on it)I put XP Home on it also, but when I went to set it up for wireless again, there was no modem detected. And I went into my Device Manager and behold.....there was no modem even listed in the Devices. And I couldnt find the modem on my Media Center OS Backup CD either. I had to reinstall Media Center Edition again in order to have the modem so I could use my wireless router to dial out with. I dont understand why I couldnt find the modem on the Media Center backup Cd (when I tried to use it to put the modem on with my XP OS so I could use my wireless setup, but yet, when I reinstall Media Center, there the modem is and then I can use wireless again. I'm using a router that works for Dialup (the only one in the world so far its called WiFlyer). Can I copy the modem from the Media install (say onto a usb flash drive) and install it after I reformat and install XP home? Or will I have to also get drivers and if I need the drivers, where do I get them from exactly? [ + quote]
pmshah (Newbie) 23 May 2007 0:07
Quote: Originally posted by pmshah: What hardware upgrade are people talking about? Recently I had to switch hard disks betwen 2 Athlon XP 2400+ systems running at 2.0 ghz. . One with 1 gb ram & 120 gb drive, the other with 512mb ram & 160 gb drive. BTW both with only the standard via-s3 on board video only. The system with 1 gb system had trial version Vista business installed on it. After switching Vista continued to run, at a comparable speed of XP. Good enough for the ned user for what he is doing with it, browse, email & Skype phone. No complaints whatsoever. ---------------------------- your probably running Vista 32bit HOME .... No. It was running 32 bit Vista Business version. [ + quote]
pigfister (Inactive) 23 May 2007 0:34
whats bad about vista well: No end in sight for Vista's Long Goodbye Originally posted by TheRegister: Seven weeks ago, when we first reported Vista was causing many machines to stall indefinitely while deleting, copying and moving files, we were sure the problem was caused by a bug that would be fixed relatively quickly. After all, Vista is Microsoft's flagship product. It's also an operating system. And everyone knows deleting, copying and moving files are among the most basic tasks any operating system can set out to do. Now we don't know what to think. Vista's Long Goodbye, as we've come to call this bizarre phenomenon, continues unabated. No amount of diagnosing by the untold number of confounded sysadmins sheds any light on the problem's cause, and Microsoft has yet to acknowledge its full extent. "I just wanted to say...that I have tried everything...in this section..till yesterday (May 13 2007) and none of it worked," a user who goes by the name SR_1976 posted today in a Microsoft TechNet forum discussing the glitch. "I have tried my best to work with Vista ....did not work...so, gone back to XP...and all my problems are gone. Vista was more stable than XP (for me...)and does have some good features...but enough is enough.." (The discussion, by the way, is the longest TechNet thread we've ever seen.) Another posting made today relates the experience of a certain groden, who spent four hours trying to copy 3.8GB of data off a Windows 2003 server using a Sony Vaio with 2GB of RAM. It took him a couple of minutes to copy the same files using a similar set up that was running XP. To recap, an untold number of Vista users are unable to delete, copy and move files without interminable waits, in which the OS appears to be calculating the time the job will take. While most vexing for people working with files on a remote server, the glitch is also present when working with local files. Microsoft issued a hotfix, but it appears it was designed to repair a problem other than the one at hand. Or at least we hope, because it sure hasn't fixed Vista's Long Goodbye. We asked Microsoft for an interview with a product manager who could shed some light on the difficulty that's vexing so many of the company's most important customers. What we got was an emailed statement that gave no new information. It read: Finding the root cause of issues like this and identifying a solution is of the utmost priority for Microsoft. That said, crafting a fix and fully testing it - to be sure we are not introducing other problems - takes time. This is why Microsoft makes hot fixes available, and while we understand that hot fixes are not a perfect solution, they can help people get by while we perfect the long term solution. We will keep you updated with specific plans to this issue as soon as we have confirmation. Microsoft's inability to fix a defect in such a basic feature has led to its share of conspiracy theories that would be quickly dismissed as kooky, were it not for the company's steadfast refusal to provide any details about what's causing the problem. The top contender: The inability to copy files without stalling isn't a bug at all, but rather the result of a digital rights management feature designed to protect Hollywood (even if the rest of us have to cuss our way through four hours deleting a few gigs worth of crap). To prove the point, one user found the problem went away when he ran an XP Pro Virtual Machine that was running on top of Vista. Mysteriously, it took him about eight seconds to delete the 23GB of files he wanted to get rid of. Using Vista on the same machine took him more than 25 minutes. bloated gui controlled by the media companies, the pirates can keep Windows ME.2. "In a world of universal deceipt, telling the truth ia a revolutionary act." George Orwell 1984 Tor: anonymity on-line STOP the spying! http://tor.eff.org/ [ + quote] This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 23 May 2007 0:35
ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 23 May 2007 7:23
pigfister the DRM is so screwed up on vister you can copy some protected music CDs without any issue because the DRM chain is broken and it dose not know what to protect. From what I have seen of "ME2" it needs drivers and some compatibility patches,32bit home minus the bells and whistles of the real vista will run fine on comps older than a year but for the real vista you need a newer,basically you need a basic newer game rig to handle vister. XP was much of a nightmare as well in the first 2 years so vista will improve the question is when will it stop becoming ME2. [ + quote] This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 23 May 2007 7:24
hughjars (Inactive) 23 May 2007 8:59
Originally posted by bstringer: I've had my legit copy of Vista Home Premium for over a month. It's my free upgrade for my HP computer. I have yet to install it due to concerns of system compatability. - That's exactly where I am right now, it's still cling-wrapped and I'll not be looking near it until I start to see a lot more comment about how the various 'issues' are resolved & it's working well. S'funny a lot of this kind of talk was around 4yrs ago with XP when I started with that & I didnt ever have a serious problem with XP so I've no 'reflex' anti-Vista attitude but I do hear of lots of people going back to XP after things stopped working and they had severe compatability problems. Typical DRM shte at work tho and Vista is another example of where the cr@p is creating problems in and of itself. Originally posted by bstringer:* I wouldn't bother with the cracked version. - Yeah, too right. It's bad enough when the official version is going to give you a stack of headaches! [ + quote]
pigfister (Inactive) 23 May 2007 9:16
Originally posted by ZIppyDSM: XP was much of a nightmare as well in the first 2 years so vista will improve the question is when will it stop becoming ME2. totally agree with you post zippy dude but what i see is pc world (uk) selling incompatible systems saying that they work 100% duping the unknowing public into beta testers for m$ which sucks big time, no wonder ppl think computing is difficult with a.hole retailers like that. Until m$ finally get 90% hardware/software compatibility it should never have been released on the "not so pc literate" general public! I put vista on my xps m1710 which, on the m$ site, it said that my system was 100% compatible with all versions but after the install i found that aero was not compatible with my system so i was a little frustrated as you can imagine, ultimate without the wow factor is pathetic but you can send faxes and use iso's! "In a world of universal deceipt, telling the truth ia a revolutionary act." George Orwell 1984 Tor: anonymity on-line STOP the spying! http://tor.eff.org/ [ + quote] This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 23 May 2007 9:22
ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 23 May 2007 9:30
Quote: Originally posted by ZIppyDSM: XP was much of a nightmare as well in the first 2 years so vista will improve the question is when will it stop becoming ME2. totally agree with you post zippy dude but what i see is pc world (uk) selling incompatible systems duping the unknowing public into beta testers and until they finally get 90% hardware/software compatibility it should never have been released on the "not so pc literate" general public! I put vista on my xps m1710 which, on the m$ site, it said that my system was 100% compatible but after the install i found that aero was not compatible with my system so i was a little frustrated as you can imagine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Right now it deserves the ME2 moniker it might evolve into something better ,but since its driver system is meek and 32bit is not as great as XP was at the time its not really worth fooling with just yet. [ + quote]
ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 23 May 2007 11:46
Pissy gamer rant If Halo 3 was on vista I would "upgrade and buy the lube" I hate consoles controls 100X >< /Pissy gamer rant [ + quote]
pigfister (Inactive) 23 May 2007 12:00
Originally posted by ZIppyDSM: Pissy gamer rant If Halo 3 was on vista I would "upgrade and buy the lube" I hate consoles controls 100X >< /Pissy gamer rant did you know they are working on dx10 on xp atm? Hacked DX10 for XP appears Quote: A young San-Diego based hacker claims he has made a version of DirectX 10 that allows the use of DirectX 10 games on platforms other than Microsoft Vista. or from these guys! Project aims to bring DX10 gaming to XP, Linux, OS X Quote: Last Wednesday, a company called Falling Leaf Systems announced the availability of an alpha of something called the Alky Project. The Alky Project has a lofty goal: to liberate DirectX 10 gaming from the confines of Vista and bring it first to Windows XP, and then to Linux and OS X. The project plans to do this by building a converter that can take in a DX10 game executable and spit out a modified version that can be run on a (non-Vista) target OS. The target OS must be x86-based, which rules out the PPC version of OS X, since the converter doesn't do any binary translation. "In a world of universal deceipt, telling the truth ia a revolutionary act." George Orwell 1984 Tor: anonymity on-line STOP the spying! http://tor.eff.org/ [ + quote] This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 23 May 2007 12:00
eandtc (Newbie) 23 May 2007 12:03
Quote: As for ME mate were you born yesterday ME was the worst thing Microsoft has ever brought out ever. [ + quote]
ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 23 May 2007 12:07
pigfister from my understanding (or lack there of) DX 10 is still in the "beta" stages while DX "9.1/2" is done for both XP and vista and the 360. When DX 10 fully rolls out it wont be "workable" on DX9 hardware. That said I hope they do and I hope MS cant stop them. [ + quote]
borhan9 (AfterDawn Addict) 23 May 2007 14:18
Originally posted by ZIppyDSM: pigfister from my understanding (or lack there of) DX 10 is still in the "beta" stages while DX "9.1/2" is done for both XP and vista and the 360. When DX 10 fully rolls out it wont be "workable" on DX9 hardware. That said I hope they do and I hope MS cant stop them. If this is the case im not going to update DX9 to 10 until i get a replacement for my integrated graphic card. :) Thanxs for the heads up. [ + quote]
ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 23 May 2007 17:46
Quote: Originally posted by ZIppyDSM: pigfister from my understanding (or lack there of) DX 10 is still in the "beta" stages while DX "9.1/2" is done for both XP and vista and the 360. When DX 10 fully rolls out it wont be "workable" on DX9 hardware. That said I hope they do and I hope MS cant stop them. If this is the case im not going to update DX9 to 10 until i get a replacement for my integrated graphic card. :) Thanxs for the heads up. ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.gamepoliticsforums.com/showth...&highlight=DX10 http://letskilldave.com/archive/2006/10/....-No_2E00_.aspx Bascily the DX on vista is beta DX 10 or at least a simi complete DX10 they had to patch vista for DX9 support thus you get DX9.ol and rumors of DX 10 for XP. Its complete BS they should have made DX10 XP ready from the start... [ + quote]
blazinbea (Newbie) 23 September 2007 11:45
yeah vista is not that much different than xp other than a couple flashy window borders and nicer icons thats it no huge improvement in fact if you ask me it seems slower takes more memory more hard drive space its shyt if you ask me.. well im actually running and have been for like 6 months now.. now its not that bad really i have all my drivers working. no problems no virus nothing but its the same thing as xp if you know what your doing you dont need all this fancy stuff like windows firewall .. avast and adaware are all you need little bit of memory on xp. its just to many background processes running on vista get rid of it all. then again games are focusing on only vista hmm.. get a nice video card if your going to use it youll need it. [ + quote]
ZippyDSM (AfterDawn Addict) 23 September 2007 11:52
*Originally posted by blazinbea:* yeah vista is not that much different than xp other than a couple flashy window borders and nicer icons thats it no huge improvement in fact if you ask me it seems slower takes more memory more hard drive space its shyt if you ask me.. well im actually running and have been for like 6 months now.. now its not that bad really i have all my drivers working. no problems no virus nothing but its the same thing as xp if you know what your doing you dont need all this fancy stuff like windows firewall .. avast and adaware are all you need little bit of memory on xp. its just to many background processes running on vista get rid of it all. then again games are focusing on only vista hmm.. get a nice video card if your going to use it youll need it. the sad thing is vista is a mess and MS wants to bing out a new OS in a couple years... [ + quote]
smg (Member) 23 September 2007 17:54
Not just sad but greedy. People should spread the word like wildfire about Vistas long goodbye. It took me over half an hour to delete the files in my recycle bin one time not to mention that copying/deleting is now a hit and miss prospect depending on whether I'll reach age 80 before it completes its task. No one should encourage their new OS until they have Vista turned out to be a decent one like XP turned out to be. [ + quote]