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The RIAA wants to make CD ripping illegal

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 30 Dec 2007 17:28 User comments (111)

The RIAA wants to make CD ripping illegal In the latest RIAA lawsuit against a P2P file sharer, some new, disturbing facts have come to light. It turns out the RIAA wants to make CD ripping, the act of copying music from a legally purchased CD to your PC, illegal.
Jeffrey Howell, an Arizona man accused of keeping a 2000 song collection on his computer, is accused of keeping "unauthorized copies of copyrighted recordings", music he ripped from legal, store-bought CDs.

Ray Beckerman, a New York lawyer that has represented clients sued by the RIAA, was shocked by the industry's latest move. "I couldn't believe it when I read that, the basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation."

Although the law does not clearly state that ripping CDs is illegal, the RIAA has made it clear where they stand. The RIAA website even says "If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings, you're stealing. You're breaking the law and you could be held legally liable for thousands of dollars in damages."

Despite the position that ripping CDs is the same as "stealing music" (as an RIAA lawyer put it), lawyers for consumers have pointed to past court rulings that have found "no violation of copyright law" in the usage of VCRs, TiVOs, and DVRs whose main purpose are "to make personal copies for the purpose of making portable a legally obtained recording."

Beckerman continued on by attacking the failed strategy of the RIAA, which has "created a whole market of people who specifically look to buy independent goods so as not to deal with the big record companies, every problem they're trying to solve is worse now than when they started."

Will the RIAA ever learn however? We can hope so, but for now, to quote the Washington Post, the group is "a classic example of an old media company clinging to a business model that has collapsed."

Source:
Washington Post

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111 user comments

130.12.2007 19:38

Because its illegal doesn't make it wrong.

Because its legal doesn't make it right.

230.12.2007 19:40

ill secound that point lol :)

330.12.2007 19:47

Originally posted by windsong:
Because its illegal doesn't make it wrong.

Because its legal doesn't make it right.
But if its illegal then you can get sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars for ripping your LEGALLY purchased CDs.

430.12.2007 19:54

Originally posted by the article...:
Despite the position that ripping CDs is the same as "stealing music" (as an RIAA lawyer put it)
I don't quite see how anyone with even a modicum of common sense can see that as correct, RIAA lawyer (just proved my point) or not.

I rip my CDs so I can carry round an iPod full of legally paid-for music instead of a CD player + CDs. That obviously makes me a criminal...

As ridiculous as ever.

530.12.2007 20:26

History tells us that there will always be someone. or some organisation, that sooner or later will want to bend your mind, or put their hands in your pockets. Governments of diverse colors have tried it,and in some cases nearly achieved it, until the people rose and said " enough is enough." Those of us with long memories will remember the " Fifth Column", the American Nazi organisations, etc. etc.
I was advocating, some time back, getting back at those sonsabitches, by stopping all commerce with anything they have their fingers in, but no one listened. Maybe now, after this latest affront, people will open their eyes and see what is being done to them. Or, at least, I hope so.
For one year, stop buying. Then they will go to the law to force the public to buy. Fourth Reich yet!

630.12.2007 20:28

I'll get my gramophone working again Caruso all day long.
Lunatic fringe.

730.12.2007 20:31
SamNz
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another stupid idea that is IMPOSSIBLE to enforce.

830.12.2007 20:36

hhahahah well, I GUESS I JUST BROKE THE LAW ACCORDING TO THE RIAA.


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930.12.2007 20:45

As stupid as it sounds , this is actually already the law in the anally repressed UK - it's illegal to make a copy of your own legally bought CD in any format including MP3s. I often scratch my head when I see all the MP3 players by Sony, Apple etc for sale and wonder how they get away with that ? What will they do next ? Sue Microsoft for allowing WMP to rip audio CDs ?

I decided it must be a case of although it's illegal on the statute books, everybody recognises how absurd it is including the Police and turns a blind eye.

Everybody except the RIAA etc, if they get the law changed and enforced their way , then everybody stops buyng music as they have nothing to play on their ipods etc and then the RIAA pays millions of dollars for an ass-licking media research institute to say the sales drop is due to illegal copying !!! Too crazy for words.

1030.12.2007 20:51

Next the RIAA is going to say that inserting a legally bought CD in a PC drive is illegal because you will be in the act of piracy. I mean really whats the difference between ripping a CD you own to your PC for later playback and playing the actual cd in the optical drive each time?

1130.12.2007 21:19

I guess now when you get pulled over by the police, they will check to see if you have burned cd's..lol....The RIAA can kiss my azz!!

1230.12.2007 21:39

They don't even understand that if you stop people from copying their CDs to other devices, it translates to fewer CD sales. I never listen to a CD straight from the CD. I always listen to the song from my hard drive or my MP3 player. If they stop me from doing that, there's no point in me buying the CD anymore - I wouldn't use it. They are really getting so blinded with greed that they can't even see clearly enough to rip people off properly anymore. It's sickening.

1330.12.2007 22:00

God I hope the RIAA gets burned on this. They really do need a swift kick in the ass.

I mean, how long has CD ripping been around? Quite a while!! And NOW its so-called illegal to do so?

Money is the devil. And look how it can destroy people in general.

1430.12.2007 22:04
mikecUSA
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How in hell did they find this guy is the real question. They must have been snooping---ILIEGALLY invading his privacy to find him. They didn't say he was downloading or uploading or anykind of file-sharing at all.

They had to have been illegally hacking aroudn somehow. THIS definitely needs a closer look. I'd like to know how they caught this guy.

Also, I have I-Tunes and Napster. I buy a song, I'm allowed by I-Tunes and Napster to burn all of those PURCHASED songs onto my CD-Rs if I coose to.

If I BUY something, like a physical CD, I OWN it. I can gove it to someone who did not pay for it, say for CHRISTMAS...or I can melt it in my microwave oven, or I can rip it to my hard drive.

Congress would have to pass a law outlawing it. Until a law if drafted, proposed and voted on by congress, or local state legislatures, the RIAA can SAY whatever the hell they want. It's been legal all along, since CD burners, or Cd to cassette recordings were available. It's common sense that If I buy something, I own it, it's mine.

I'm a mobile DJ, I have 1.5 million songs in my hard drive that I access while working.

I paid for all of them over the past 25 years (I'm 46 uears old).

I've bought many of the CD's on vinyl, then on CD and then i've relaced worn out CD's many time too.

I can only play 60 to 80 songs a night. I get paid $200 to $500 per night. This is how I choose to make a living and the RIAA idea that ripping is illegal wouold put the ENTIRE DJ business out of business over nite if their thought were to become the law of the land.

Bars would close down, restarants would go out of business...IPOD would cease to be sold, CDR makers DVD and CD recorder manufacturers---jesus, the entire home entertainment business would utterly collapse.

The RIAA, what an inane and insane group of fools and idiots.

1530.12.2007 22:05

if cd ripping becomes illegal i am firing up limewire and downloading 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 songs, and downloading every movie made on bitorrent, and I won't buy another CD, DVD, or legal download ever again.

1630.12.2007 22:15

cd ripping illegal... thats only a few decades to late. Whats the riaa's next move going to be? Confiscate all vcrs and burn them? Oh and cassette tapes to, don't forget the 8 tracks.

Seriously to try and enforce something like this now makes them look like a senile relative. They say some crazy things that for the most part just make people laugh, but you still just nod and smile.

1730.12.2007 22:43

So I am not allowed to have a music library on my pc? that is g@y!!

1830.12.2007 23:23

I have an Ipod but I don't have a CD player in car, if the RIAA wants to make CD ripping illegal then I will never buy another CD ever again because I won't be able to play my Ipod music through my stereo.

1930.12.2007 23:34

I happen to be on a forum with the RIAA's main lawyer (Ira Schwartz) on this case, there is a big thread going on there about it and he keeps bitching to the MODS to lock/delete it but hasn't happened, he has turned off his PM's. At first he tried to play it off like a joke, now I don't think he will be a active member there... Oh yea, there also was a thread not to long ago about "How many MP3's you have" sorta a bragging thread, it happens to be gone now.

Seriously next, I will be allowed to play a PAID FOR disk at a party or will all the guests have to bring their own copy? Ummm, how about separate copies for the home, car, work?

I just pry for the day more artists follow some indie band and release things out into the wild by themselves. I would much rather pay the artist direct rather than the music companies getting their cut, then the stores, then ect, ect. Give the artists 100% they are the ones doing the work, sure they would have to pay manufacturing costs but I think they would be happier with 85% rather than X.XX%

2030.12.2007 23:59

they did try to make selling used CDs/tapes illeagle too...

2131.12.2007 0:13

well teh RIAA needs to pay for my CDs. Damn. Then they need to take the CD and some how cram the song onto my iPod. this is something else.

2231.12.2007 0:25

Suck my BallZ!

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2331.12.2007 1:02

This is their strategy.
Use the arbitrary nature of our corrupt and incompetent legal system to expand their power to Hitler-like proportions, while bankrupting honest people with junk lawsuits rubber-stamped by the crooked circuit judges and clueless Hollywood-sucking politicos that they've bought.

The RIAA is made up of lying, thieving, arrogant, elitist, subhuman filth.

2431.12.2007 2:08

Originally posted by mspurloc:
This is their strategy.
Use the arbitrary nature of our corrupt and incompetent legal system to expand their power to Hitler-like proportions, while bankrupting honest people with junk lawsuits rubber-stamped by the crooked circuit judges and clueless Hollywood-sucking politicos that they've bought.

The RIAA is made up of lying, thieving, arrogant, elitist, subhuman filth.
word. you are a god amongst men my friend :D

people all over hte world are dying and yet hte RIAA want to beat at their own countrymen by suing them to hell. they need to stop and focus my and OUR taxpayer money elsewhere.
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2531.12.2007 2:23

ok the RIIA it's getting more stupid by the minute, but if the congress actually passes a law enforcing the idea that ripping your own paid cd's is illegal, they would prove once and for all, that the congress it's full of idiots, and the people should rise to kick them out, plain and simple.

2631.12.2007 2:43
vinny13
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Ya uhh, I don't think so.

Bastards. Go die. Make the world a better place.

2731.12.2007 3:40
WierdName
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I think it's funny how with each passing day and lawsuit, you keep hearing reports of CD sales dropping, piracy rising...

2831.12.2007 3:46

This must be their new business model.

They realised to late that new technology was coming (previously been to busy spending all their time sueing innocent people.

Now they will pay a few hundred thousand (possible few million) to bribe corrupt politicians and judges, then reap the reward as people have to purchase all of their legally purchased material (video also)to play back on this new technology.

2931.12.2007 3:58

Hey, Kraut1, they used to make some damn fine violins down your way. To refine my point, if there is any point in it, Personally, I do not buy any CDs anymore. If an artist comes along with a new work and is willing to sell it to me, then the chances are, I'll buy it.But not through any system that takes my money and then tells me what I can or cannot do, with the product I have bought. But that is a personal thing. If you are willing to cringe and moan and then run to the shops, well.....
Don't do anything. You may have heard the story that finishes " And then they came for me, and there was no one left to care"

3031.12.2007 4:40
WierdName
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Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind paying for a CD if all the money went to the artist. As a matter of fact, prices would probably be cheaper because they would not have the inflation fees to organizations like the RIAA and then fees to other random stuff. You would be paying for the disk itself with the audio recorded to it. You wouldn't be paying for the RIAA to sue everyone, you wouldn't be paying for shipping to the retail stores, etc. You would be paying for the disk, the audio recorded to it, and the shipping for it direct from the artist to your home. I would be willing to bet that prices would be under $5 a CD. After all, if the artist isn't greedy, they have more that paid for all the equipment used to make that CD after some 5 or 10 thousand sales. And when the actual number of customers is well over that, the artist can sell those CDs dirt cheap and still turn a massive profit.
/End rant of how cheap stuff would be without the corporate leeches

3131.12.2007 5:35
aldercy
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I decided it must be a case of although it's illegal on the statute books, everybody recognises how absurd it is including the Police and turns a blind eye

aldercy
http://www.i'manidiot.com edited by ddp

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3231.12.2007 6:14
nobrainer
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Sony (Who Are The RIAA) have already stated that ripping CD's is stealing and are continuing to DRM everything under the sun which is why they are the only company still using DRM on their downloaded songs when all other RIAA members have dropped it.

Sony are the driving force behind DRM in the RIAA and have more pro draconian IP law lobbyists than all the other companies put together!

Originally posted by me me its all me:
re: sony evil, sony, disney and fox are the leading companies pushing propertarian, orwellian, anti consumer DRM lockouts and have the most lobbyists pushing congress to tighten the IP laws (DMCA), abolish fair use, criminalise ppl that use or even own software to circumnavigate any form of DRM and protect them from law suits when they run code on ppl's computers that cause damage and threaten your privacy by reporting information back to sony HQ about your computer usage (google: sony xcp).

sony, disney and fox are the MPAA they use piracy to scare monger ppl then make DRM secuROM, xcp and sell it to movie/game/cd makers and get paid from all sides and get fat while its the consumers that lose out as we are told we are pirates by sony for wanting to play our legally purchased cd's on our ipods because sony want 1 licence per device per user to quadruple their profits from each household, kinda like the military industrial complex.

funny look on copywrite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJn_jC4FNDo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKI_w_VBoTQ

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/12/29/ste...rt.html



Sony BMG's chief anti-piracy lawyer: "Copying" music you own is "stealing"
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/200...s-stealing.html

Originally posted by above link:
Pariser noted that music labels make no money on touring, radio, or merchandise, which leaves the company particularly exposed to the negative effects of file-sharing. "It's my personal belief that Sony BMG is half the size now as it was in 2000," she said, thanks to piracy. In Pariser's view, "when people steal, when they take music without compensation, we are harmed."

Gabriel asked if it was wrong for consumers to make copies of music which they have purchased, even just one copy. Pariser replied, "When an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Making "a copy" of a purchased song is just "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy'," she said.

Warner to sell no-DRM MP3s on Amazon
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/12/27/warner-to-sell-nodrm.html

Originally posted by above link:
Warner Music has announced that it will begin to sell non-DRM'ed MP3 music files on Amazon, making it the third (of four) major labels to sign up for DRM-free distribution of their music, Universal and EMI being the other two. Only Sony BMG have held out -- and that's the same label that gave us the infamous Sony Rootkit, a dangerous hacker-tool that Sony infected millions of PCs with in a failed bid to prevent copying of its music.

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3331.12.2007 6:14
cousinkix
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F--K the RIAA! Their member record company member SONY, is one of the world's biggest sellers of blank CDs and CD burners. Most of us have no need for a machine that can burn 6 bootleg copies at once. SONY sells these on the internet too, and nobody must prove that they have a legitimate need to have one either.

SONY's hardware can be used to pirate the copyrighyted works of the three other RIAA labels; but they would rather harass the little people. My niece has a SONY DVD burner on her computer. There is nothing like using SONY's own equipment, to make illegal back up copies of their HOLLYWOOD movies.

The SONY big shots are no better than a crooked drug dealing cop. Let the RIAA clean up their own house. Any company that sells hardware (used by the thieves) should be expelled from their elite club of hypocrites...

3431.12.2007 6:34

I have a Sony Minidic recorder (quite old but superb)and Sony's instructions show me how to copy my CD's onto minidisc, using both analogue and digital transfer techniques.

Would Sony's own documentation be a good legal defence?

If not, then Sony could also be sued for not only providing the means, but actively encouraging the defendant. Perhaps, also, there could be charges of fraudulently selling recording machines that cannot be used?

Odd ain't it?

3531.12.2007 6:51
ali2007
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this is absurd you know ,the more you play cd the more scratches you create and decrease it's life expentancy so what do you think people have to buy the same cd every year , i think RIAA wants to have consumer pay more , i think they work hand in hand with big companies

3631.12.2007 7:20

WTF is this world coming to. So I guess that now when people buy cd's we are just borrowing the songs. Pretty soon we will be agreeing to EULA's on music cd's! This is a pretty fucked up move because whatever I spend my hard earned dollar on I consider it mine to do whatever I want. If you ask me people finally need to set aside differences and cease movements like the RIAA. The recording industry along with others fail to realize that it is the people who created them and it is the people who can take them down. People need to quit acting like they actually need to listen to a cd or some music right away and straight boycott the purchasing of music cds for about a year and watch none of the artist make a dime. That is when the real impact can be felt. If the RIAA wants to play this game to dig into the pockets of the working class then I advise that we spread the word an do the same to them. If they want to pull these kind of bullshit antics then I'd rather listen to the radio. It's even worse for the government to get involved in these battles because people are becoming afraid to do anything about these issues in fear of being jailed and paying hefty fines. The people are supposed to run and control its own government. I really don't know if its possible for me to say this but since we aren't taking a stand to do anything about it then we are bringing unlawful and unconstitutional things like this amongst ourselves.

3731.12.2007 8:06

The next thing you know, they (RIAA) will want you to send in a payment each time you play the song. That will be their next move if allowed to continue the way they are going.

3831.12.2007 8:17

Originally posted by mspurloc:
This is their strategy.
Use the arbitrary nature of our corrupt and incompetent legal system to expand their power to Hitler-like proportions, while bankrupting honest people with junk lawsuits rubber-stamped by the crooked circuit judges and clueless Hollywood-sucking politicos that they've bought.

The RIAA is made up of lying, thieving, arrogant, elitist, subhuman filth.
I could not Agree With you more!

I have 350 CD's on my HD and thoes same 350 CD's are on my IPOD as well...The RIAA is Out of there BLANKING Minds if they think I am going to pay for a copy of the CD's for each dvice.

I paid for the CD's ..I am not uploading them they are for my use only and I will do with them what I please.

I Say we all meet at there head office and Tear it down Brick By Brick!

3931.12.2007 8:45

This is beyond pathetic. To say that ripping a legally purchased cd onto a computer with no thought or intetion on distributing that material is wrong and a violation of piracy laws? Huh. I don't think so.

I paid the inflated price for that album. That copy is mine. Ripping it to my pc so i can put it on my Zune, or mix some songs up and burning them to a cd, or just to have playing on the pc whilst i'm working, is perfectly legal.

There goes the RIAA overstepping their bounds once again.

4031.12.2007 9:06

Originally posted by little155:
The next thing you know, they (RIAA) will want you to send in a payment each time you play the song. That will be their next move if allowed to continue the way they are going.

we are gonna get monthly bills, cuz if u paid for a song u can't listen it for a thousand times?? if u exceed a 50 plays u must pay!!


Sony is a big money maker, cuz it's a big company and all their products are way over others, bravia?? genezi?? mu-te-ki? ps2? ps2? blur-ray?

It's bad that a company i used to respect and like supporting this.

all the countries in the world there are a few that actually pay, i live in usa and in peru and i've never known a person in peru who has payed for music, not a single cent , everything is just downloaded from rapid or ares or lime so these is what they should target not the poor american or european who already paid a lot for what they listen and are still being chargedd

4131.12.2007 10:30
hughjars
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The lunatics have taken over the asylum. That's all.

Sadly they are being aided and abetted by weak and/or greedy legislators and the whole 'lawyer industry' as they manipulate what were once sane and respected laws into this bastardised perversion.

Sooner or later as they hurt more and more regular law-abiding people in their never-ending greed there will come a reaction.

Ending this stupidity is easy.

It ends when we start to take control back and begin putting the advisors, lawyers and judiciary that have gone along with this insanity on trial and convict them for abusing the law and give them a few months in the hell-holes that are our prisons.

Sooner or later a 'correction' will come.

4231.12.2007 11:05

If this crap gets passed what are they going to do about all the current companies that make products that support burning what you own. I am certain they will have major problems with this because these other companies will lose some serious amounts of money because of this. Also I feel like this if they find some BS way to ban burning Cd's i will simply use my Ipod and other formats of digital distribution to play back my songs.

4331.12.2007 11:29

screw these corporate bastards!!!! we can do what we want with our music! everyone needs to rebel!!!!!
of course the best thing to do would be to not buy any music if they insist on being a holes. all it is is greed.
I will never bow to the monopolies

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4431.12.2007 12:07

Originally posted by spydah:
If this crap gets passed what are they going to do about all the current companies that make products that support burning what you own. I am certain they will have major problems with this because these other companies will lose some serious amounts of money because of this. Also I feel like this if they find some BS way to ban burning Cd's i will simply use my Ipod and other formats of digital distribution to play back my songs.
They are probably going to remove all references to backing up music from their recordable media and instead advertise how you can back up all of your word documents, excel spreadsheets and family pictures on their CD-R's and DVD-R's.

4531.12.2007 14:26

Fairly soon you wont be able to break wind to an RIAA copyrighted tune on the street without getting a call from their lawyers.

4631.12.2007 15:02

Why aren't they suing Microsoft for including Windows Media Player with their OS? One feature of WMP is to rip music from a cd to your computer.

4731.12.2007 15:14

Quote:
Originally posted by mspurloc:
This is their strategy.
Use the arbitrary nature of our corrupt and incompetent legal system to expand their power to Hitler-like proportions, while bankrupting honest people with junk lawsuits rubber-stamped by the crooked circuit judges and clueless Hollywood-sucking politicos that they've bought.

The RIAA is made up of lying, thieving, arrogant, elitist, subhuman filth.
I could not Agree With you more!

I have 350 CD's on my HD and thoes same 350 CD's are on my IPOD as well...The RIAA is Out of there BLANKING Minds if they think I am going to pay for a copy of the CD's for each dvice.

I paid for the CD's ..I am not uploading them they are for my use only and I will do with them what I please.

I Say we all meet at there head office and Tear it down Brick By Brick!

That is defiantly true. For example, I should not have to pay for multiple copies of Vista so I can put it on my multiple computers. I am the only user. (I have not yet upgraded to Vista and are sticking to XP because of this)
Watch, Next the RIAA will say "Music on Radio Illegal because people can record it!"

4831.12.2007 15:29

Taking the moral high ground is very commendable, Get you nowhere though.
"Action this day", one of our great men said, once, and taking his words seriously, people went about the business of getting rid of those that would have taken from us the little we had.
Really means voting with your feet, out of the shops. Because while we keep up the bitching, they are winning. Winning, I tell you.

4931.12.2007 15:33

Watch, Next the RIAA will say "Music on Radio Illegal because people can record it!"


Ummm..... the RIAA is already stating that music on the radio is illegal because people can record it. They have a lawsuit against XM Satellite radio as we speak. They are also trying to bring lawsuits against internet radio stations as well.

5031.12.2007 15:36

I am waiting for the new law that says every citizen of the US, excluding the politicians of course, must give a major body part and 20 Grand to RIAA to worship their greatness!

If ripping is stealing and stealing is illegal why do they need a law?

5131.12.2007 17:55

RIAA likes it from behind, I dont know if its true though, I just heard it somewhere...

5231.12.2007 18:17

Basically all music created by artists are property or the RIAA so even if they wanted it on the radio or if they wanted it freely available on the net, they wouldn't be able to do so.

5331.12.2007 18:55

Everybody just start shoplifting CDs ;-)


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Nexus S 4G running 4.1.1 Jelly Bean
PS3 Slim 3000 Model 4.3.1
PS3 ID: killbarney1123

5431.12.2007 19:16

Originally posted by tucker001:
Everybody just start shoplifting CDs ;-)

lmao.
RIAA New Rule: "Selling CD's Illegal!"

5531.12.2007 20:33

forget p2p entirely lets show them what stealing really is


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5631.12.2007 21:38

I remember when i could copy a tape to a tape or make a mix tape & no one cared, then they said u cant to that with cd's cause they are "perfect" well you are bringing them back down when you rip them (unless u use lossless which i still dont think is real cause i t would have been that size in the 1st place to keep prices down!)


I dont know what to say... I wanna hit someone! I wounder how much is the RIAA or Lawyers?!

5731.12.2007 21:44

For every CD that goes un-ripped, I'll rip three. :)

5831.12.2007 21:45

Originally posted by ripxrush:
I remember when i could copy a tape to a tape or make a mix tape & no one cared, then they said u cant to that with cd's cause they are "perfect" well you are bringing them back down when you rip them (unless u use lossless which i still dont think is real cause i t would have been that size in the 1st place to keep prices down!)


I dont know what to say... I wanna hit someone! I wounder how much is the RIAA or Lawyers?!

Those were the great times.
All these lawsuits started picking up when High Speed internet became popular, Uploading and Downloading music became more and more popular because it took no time and was fast and convenient.

5931.12.2007 22:46

this is so dumb. this makes me want to download a discography of something from a torrent site. and never listen to it just becaue the RIAA is dumb. next thing you know the MPAA will sue the ESRB because the letters in the alphabet should only be used to Rate Motion pictures and not Video games LOL. or maybe better yet the RIAA will sue the NFL, NBA, MLB, and other 3 letter sports because the REF's uniform uses the same colors as the logo that says "may contain explicit lyrics" ... yanno black and white. for the sports impaired

601.1.2008 4:08

Originally posted by tucker001:
Everybody just start shoplifting CDs ;-)
As if anyone pays attention now anyway to their flipping ego flapping...

611.1.2008 4:13
cousinkix
Inactive

Quote:
So I guess that now when people buy cd's we are just borrowing the songs.
You can borrow CDs and DVDs at a good public library, take them home and rip yourself a free bee. Why buy them from these a$$holes.

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The next thing you know, they (RIAA) will want you to send in a payment each time you play the song. That will be their next move if allowed to continue the way they are going.
Bring back the 10 cent jukeboxes and ban everything else without a damned coin slot?

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Why aren't they suing Microsoft for including Windows Media Player with their OS? One feature of WMP is to rip music from a cd to your computer.
Nero, Roxio etal can do the same thing now that you reminded us.

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Those were the great times.
All these lawsuits started picking up when High Speed internet became popular, Uploading and Downloading music became more and more popular because it took no time and was fast and convenient.

It went down hill after the Napster case in San Francisco.


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Sony could also be sued for not only providing the means, but actively encouraging the defendant. Perhaps, also, there could be charges of fraudulently selling recording machines that cannot be used?
It's about time that a RIAA/MPAA company is forced to stop selling blank disks, burners and mass duplicating machines to anybody who wants them; but are not in the business of selling copyrighted music and films.

621.1.2008 5:26
WierdName
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Quote:
It's about time that a RIAA/MPAA company is forced to stop selling blank disks, burners and mass duplicating machines to anybody who wants them; but are not in the business of selling copyrighted music and films.
?! What are you talking about?! That leaves too much of a gap because anyone can just say they are in that business. What they need to do is have ALL sales of blanks disks, burners, etc. go through the RIAA for music, MPAA for video, or a specially made organization called the Copyrighted Software Association of America for software. Then all sales are checked out to ensure the purchaser is a valid business and that they are monitored to ensure they don't put the purchased goods on the black market or whatnot. Rewritable disks will nolonger be produced and all current rewritables will be destroyed. A home user will be allowed to burn a disk under the following conditions:
A. That person shall pay for a representative of the RIAA, MPAA, or CSAA to come to their house to perform the burning process.
B. The representative will burn the disk by themself using the files given to them by the third party. The representative will check the files to ensure they are not copyrighted then they will burn the disk.
C. The third party will not be allowed to distribute this disk under any circumstances without paying a commission to the appropriate organization (RIAA, MPAA, or CSAA).
If someone is caught burning a disk without consent from the appropriate organization, the minimum sentence will be life in prison. However, they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent, which means the death penalty. Those convicted of burning a disk without consent and who receive the death penalty will be immediately sent to the front of death row to be killed within an hour of the sentencing. All possessions of the convicted party will go to the organization that prosecuted them. Those possessions will be auctioned off to finance further prosecutions. All those in opposition to any of this will be hung by the neck until almost unconscious. They will then be taken out and shot once in a not vital location. Furthermore, they will then be left in a pit to bleed to death. If they do not bleed to death and somehow survive the shooting, they will die of starvations, dehydration, and/or any other life threatening illness that will naturally arise.

What's sad is this is probably the goal and ideal scenario for the RIAA and MPAA.
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631.1.2008 5:45

When you think about it, it's all quite simple.

It's all about money and making people pay more and more for less and less.

But people are not stupid. When then sense they're being ripped-off they don't like it. When they see their money not going as far as it used to, they spend it elsewhere.

I bought myself a plasma TV and digital recorder for Christmas. Reading the reviews, magazines, and speaking to sales people, it looked like the Sony 40" would be ideal for me with the Sony digital recorder being one of the best on the planet. Sony? I used Sony as a benchmark and finally chose Panasonic - apparently inferior kit to Sony but having the advantage of being NOT Sony.

After all, how many times can a master kick his dog before it runs away for good?

641.1.2008 5:45

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651.1.2008 6:13

The RIAA- What can one say ? Besides this would Violate your first use rights assuming you owned the CD you ripped of course! All you can say about this is The RIAA-like the oil Companies , Big Pharmaceutical companies and their ilk Believe That GREED for Greed Sake is Good ? Nevermind that it Cost them about $1.00 US to make a DVD or CD ! and That they sell them for $14.00- $20.00 something dollars ea. They The RIAA/Music are not making Enough Profits !!!!!!!!!!!!! Unfortunately the Music/Entertainment business is just that A Business !!!!!! and They are Owned and Run By Lawyers not Musicians or Artist!!!! The Actual creative forces at work !!! who are often Cheated and swindled out of the Fruits of their labors and The honest monies to which they are entitled !!! Indeed many Artist from the early Rock &Roll & R&B Years had Big hits and saw little of The Profits from them of any ? I am reminded of Stevie Wonder Being Interviewed once and making Comments to the effect that when he was Just starting out as a Child /Teen prodigy His Record Company handlers ( The SUITS) were Mad Because he had Outgrown The one set of Clothes they'd bought him to perform in ! On the brightside they would feed him all the candy bars he could eat to Bend him as it were To their Will!!! More Like Bribe him ? Stevie liked PaYdaY's !!!!!!!! . LIke it's not enough for them to take advantage of a Gifted artist they have to abuse the blind as well !and a Young child to boot ?? Let's face it When Disney Wunderkind Miley Cyrus { HANNAH MONTANA} is The Next big Thing !!! You Know Rock ain't Just Dead it Smells funny too !!! Just what the world needs now a Mid-teen Sanitized Britney Spears Who's not Pregnant yet !!!!! unlike a certain Other Disney Alumni ?????? - well in the words of FLAVA FLAV- Fight The power !!!! & Peace love * hair grease !!!! Happy New Year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

661.1.2008 6:20

That'd decrease CD sales even further! What a bunch of idiots... Or did I get something wrong about RIAA? Cos I don't think they even truly care about CD sales.

Why isn't anyone complaining about the copies of paintings painters make for own practising purposes?

RIAA shut up. That's low...

671.1.2008 6:24

I reckon you are all misjudging those good burghers of the RIAA and MPAA and whatever else. I think they are all working like the devil to preserve the'environment' only they are too shy to mention it.
In this country, everytime someone mentions the environment, the government puts another penny on the price of a litre of fuel, telling us that it is for' Your own good, if only you knew it'. So maybe they are doing the same in the U.S. And they are keeping the surplus in their banks while waiting a suitable time to deliver the cash to some green party somewhere.
Would that not be a kick in the head!!!

681.1.2008 9:25

Well not to get off subject but to me I think this is just another mechanism of creating fear amongst the public along with the government providing a backbone for it. I mean take a look at many of the governments of the world. The attorneys are crooked, a great majority of the judges are biased and crooked, along with the fact that too many frivolous lawsuits are actually making in through the system costing large amounts of tax dollars. The end result is always the same...MONEY! I'm actually afraid of another civil war due to the general population of the average working man and woman becoming fed up about being ripped off by these larger corporations including the government (yes believe it or not the government is also a business which runs on the money that you work hard for...usually 33% or more). Sometimes voting is nothing but hot air and false promises that come into play one year and then amended to lose that right in the later years. Here in America its hard for the people to actually fight for what they believe in because in situations where the people get out of hand to the point that local and federal government cannot control the situation they institute what is called martial law. One day everyone is going to become so fed up where placing the public in the eye of fear wont even matter. That is when real freedoms will come into play and people will truly understand what it means to die for our rights.
I know that none of you are willing to die or face imprisonment at this time in your lives but how many times must we let companies like the RIAA and the MPAA tell us to bend over and then the government actually forces you to bend over. We can chat opinions over the internet all day my friends but the truth is that if no one is actually willing to sacrifice for the things that we want or agree on then it will just get worse. So again...prepare to bend over and take it in the rear.

691.1.2008 9:25
Alien13
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Wow it looks like they're comming to their senses. They doing something stupid like this, so that means they will do something smart like allow downloading songs?

Nice try, but no!

701.1.2008 10:16

I say lets all who likes music stop buying cds and music from online and when you hear a song you like record it, to tape or recorded from a stream, on your pc do this for about 3 weeks and the RIAA will be singing a diffrent tune really quick. Lets make a stand and show those money hungry suits that you can't Go around calling their customers theafs.

711.1.2008 10:33

qote I say lets all who likes music stop buying cds and music from online and when you hear a song you like record it, to tape or recorded from a stream, on your pc do this for about 3 weeks and the RIAA will be singing a diffrent tune really quick. Lets make a stand and show those money hungry suits that you can't Go around calling their customers theafs. /quote

@irongiant

You could be right!

721.1.2008 11:40

So I guess portable Mp3 Players are now weapons of mass destruction?

Fkn hell... when will this bs stop?
Consumers have rights damnit! Stop immediately assuming were all malicious hackers.

731.1.2008 13:11

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That is defiantly true. For example, I should not have to pay for multiple copies of Vista so I can put it on my multiple computers. I am the only user. (I have not yet upgraded to Vista and are sticking to XP because of this)
Watch, Next the RIAA will say "Music on Radio Illegal because people can record it!"
I'd invite you to try Ubuntu, latest release 7.10 is amazing, i couldn't believe it my self

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I'm actually afraid of another civil war due to the general population of the average working man and woman becoming fed up about being ripped off by these larger corporations including the government (yes believe it or not the government is also a business which runs on the money that you work hard for...usually 33% or more).
I wouldn't be afraid, general public is mentally castrated and totally incapable of standing up for their rights.

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Watch, Next the RIAA will say "Music on Radio Illegal because people can record it!"
Not only there is a lawsuit againts XM, but also it has been stated that RIA pretends to start charging radio stations for transmitting

their material just like internet radio stations

theres the link in case you dont believe it
[url=http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9857.cfm][/url]
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741.1.2008 14:22

After all the talk about Radio and licience fee's among other things, have a read here if you haven't read it yet. Uk also is big on Big-Brother. Bloody Bas***ds.
http://torrentfreak.com/charity-forced-t...an-sing-071209/

751.1.2008 14:33

Originally posted by tucker001:
Everybody just start shoplifting CDs ;-)
Why not?
They're already retroactively declaring everybody a crook.
For every arrogant action of theirs, there should be an unequal, escalating and opposite reaction. (Newton's Pissed-off Law of Motion)
To that end, who wants to volunteer to LightScribe 1,000 CDs that say,
"This CD copy is provided free by the RIAA, who made me a criminal. This music is yours to take home and keep. The artist on this CD supports the efforts of the RIAA in criminalizing your fair use of media for which you already paid. Therefore neither of them deserves a penny of your money."

Then leave the CDs on park benches and at bus stops in a 15 block radius around their headquarters, and call the local news stations.

761.1.2008 15:39

There are some in this world who truly deserve to die. Those that qualify are the ones impeding the harmonious, "live and let live" lives of the average joe out there. In addition, they are the same ones who are trying to 'control' everything they can for their own personal gain (i.e. glory, power, money) but disregarding the well being of the community as a whole. Once you go this route and take this mentality, then you have labeled yourself as one who does not promote creativity, construction and creation and therefore you are impeding, destroying or 'taking away' from civilization and the world does not go 'round and 'round when destruction is prevalent and therefore they should be eliminated.

In the words of Antonio Banderas in the movie 'Desperado'........"It is easier to destroy than to create". If only all people followed the Golden Rule..."Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" then the world would be a good place.

771.1.2008 15:49

Let's all go back to audio cassettes, you can't "Rip" those to the computer, they last a very long time, are more compact then CDs, hold 120 Minutes of music vs. 80 minutes, and the quality is true uncompressed audio.

781.1.2008 15:54

How did the RIAA find out about this guy? We should all stop buying music and show the RIAA that we wont put up with this crap!!!! If I own a CD and want to put it on my mp3 player, then I should have that right.
I remember joining Itunes and bought music but I could only put it on an IPod, Screw that!!! I didn't have an IPod and didn't feel like spending $200.00 at the time. I think the RIAA is going to cut off their nose despite their face.

791.1.2008 17:02
duke8888
Inactive

This is a bunch of crap again from them. I remember a few years back they tried to get a tax added to all blank media but it failed. This will fail as well.

801.1.2008 18:42

the RIAA are d###heads fu## them, i make copy's of everything i have incase they get scratched of damaged i will not stop.

811.1.2008 18:46
varnull
Inactive

Do the RIAA own every cd released on the planet? NO!!.. so they should butt out..
Same for the MPAA.. they have no rights over Russian and Chinese films released in other places than the USA do they??

Yankee imperialism will not be tolerated!!!

821.1.2008 21:45

RIAA is full of it. Long ago I won free songs from a Pepsi promotion from Itunes and tried to upload to my MP3 player but found out the songs from Itunes are only able to be uploaded and played on an Ipod. I had to download the songs I purchased from Limewire in order to play them on my MP3 player. C'mon RIAA, don't attempt to make CD ripping illegal because people will rip their music regardless. I personally like to purchase CD's that includes a DVD music video or miscellaneous extras. RIAA use your brains and think outside the box.

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831.1.2008 23:13
mikecUSA
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The RIAA is gasping for life. The lifeline they had, the record label-physical media paradigm is over. Selling music online is a profitable ---TOTALLY profitable proposition. No manufacturing costs--no distribution costs, no faulty product returns, no excess product gathering dust in warehouses waiting to be destroyed (that cost money too) and no more A& R guys having to hawk product. The internet is more profitable than any other medium. That's why the RIAA is so desperate to squash what is still an infant industry. Now that a secure method of selling unencrypted/no DRM crippled music is available (can anybody say LED ZEPPELIN CATALOG) through online methods there is no turning back from a customer point of view. Itunes and Napster love the new paradigm--customers are in love with it...three out of four major labels are with it----RIAA EFF U!


Michael Cowles
Springfield Virginia USA

841.1.2008 23:15

I am from Canada, our Prime Minister, the right honorable Joe Harper, was on National TV today and admitted that he likes to listen to his 70's TOONS that he has put on his I-Pod, what a RIPP!! OH! the shame of it all!! OLD Joe is not quite so honorable to me anymore, wait till the RIAA hears about this, an ally in the "Ripping Wars" has turned to the dark side.
You know, now that the initial shock has wore off, maybe Mr. Harper is not so bad a feller after all, and since I'm a RIPPER too, he just might get my vote.
Happy New Year!!
BarryEW

852.1.2008 2:40
aldercy
Inactive

because of this is illegal

aldercy
http://www.i'manidiot.com edited by ddp

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862.1.2008 4:12

Now, I am curious. Up to now, calling something illegal was mostly a matter of righteous law, maybe, but also a matter of conscience. A properly brought up person would know from infancy what the difference would be between right and wrong
It would appear that, these days, illegality is what fat men smoking cigars and drinking bourbon, scotch or whatever, decide will be good for the economy of their companies, and a pox on whether what they say is morally right, or not.

872.1.2008 4:34
cousinkix
Inactive

Quote:
?! What are you talking about?!
Crooked cops sell drugs; so they can throw people in jail for using them. Record companies and movie studios sell CD/DVD burners; so they can bitch about thieves stealing their copyrighted materials.

I see a constant deluge of pirated concert recordings and phony import albums (that aren't even in the SCHWANN catalogs) for sale on EBAY all the time. Thieves sell counterfeit releases, for three times what they would nornmally cost over the counter. The artists get nothing here! Meanwhile, these brainless RIAA lawyers go crazy about customers who buy their products and rip them to their IPODs. What a crock of BS...
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882.1.2008 13:51

thats why i dont buy CD'S anymore..............
screw these people, it never ends........

892.1.2008 17:52

Being more of a lurking member, I read a lot of articles but don't really comment. But this is just wrong what is happening here. I can't see how something that was purchased can have restrictions on it. I think that this should go into fair use. Really I'm speechless. I hope that all of the artist realize what is happening and that if they don't leave these companies that are holding on to old business they will end up losing. I just wish that America was a true republic.

902.1.2008 18:03

This is really crap because if i buy a CD i should be and have the right to do what i want with it however i understand do not make copies and sell the product but you should be allowed to put the songs on your computer or transfer to an ipod or something this is common sense to me however the riaa is taking the fun out of listening to music. Music should take your stresses away not add to them.

912.1.2008 18:15

This tactic is because they cannot shut down peer to peer or torrent operations. They never had a problem with recording your albums to cassette for some reason, but now ripping to play in your MP3 player a crime? WTF?


AMD Quad 9950, Asus Motherboard, 2G Kingston Ram, 512MB Asus 8600GT, Samsung DVD Rom sh- d162c, LG Rom GDR8163B,
LG Burner h62n

922.1.2008 19:31
mikecUSA
Inactive

They (RIAA & MPAA) actually had quite the sh*t fit when audio recorders and Video recorders were firt instroduced in the 70's.

Reel to Reel recorders weren't an issue because the existence of Reel to reel predates both the RIAA and MPAA. It was the primary instrument for creating original recordings in music studio and of course radio station production studios.

All early television use3d actual film cameras.

It wasn't until consumer recording became cheap and inexpensive that the RIAA and MPAA started on the warpath.

The first Cassette recorders and Sony Betamax were the catalyst for the war on consumers waged by the RIAA.

Reel To Reel recorders were made available to consumers in the 60's and 70's and were considered high end and expensive and hence not considered any sort of threat to the record labels.

So yeah, the RIAA always had a stick up it's ass about even home TAPING, recording radio shows with a microphone.

The real Irony is the the only major label member 0f the RIAA that still has a bug up it's ass about the music and PC paradigm is SONY the actual harbinger of the consumer home taping revolution of not just Audio, but Video as well.

As a DJ I've purchased all of the Led Zeppelin stuff on 33 rpm LP's as well as CD's many time over the years.

This year Led Zeppelin released their entire catalog on I-Tunes and Napster (as well as many other legal sites too). I could have got their catalog off limewire, edonkey or any other illegal site, but I paid my $100 and got the entire set, with no need to grab a cassette recorder, or a Bunch of Bland CD's or a blank DVD. I can play it staraight away right on my little portable DJ laptop.

I-Tunes (serving as the distributer) made money as did Atlantic records (the original record company that had signed Led Zep back in the 60's) so who wins with the legal internet store/label/computer/consumer paaradigm? Everybody BUT the RIAA.

The members of the RIAA are not needed in the age of DRM free music sales.

People value music economically. I think even the most profligate priate hobbiest would be willing to pay for the music/movies/games he enjoys and appreciates --- and I'm sure even currently already does.

Back before music could be easily copied and shared (tapes/CDR's) the quality was much better. Now that people can screen new tunes for free BEFORE they buy, only the best stuff will get purchased, so the emphasis will once again be on quality. The Onus for record company profits will be on finding, and promoting and selling greatly talented artists that the public will eagerly spend their hard earned money on.


EFF the RIAA and MPAA!!!!!!!!

932.1.2008 21:01

Goes to show that BIG BIDNASS(business) and GOMENT(government) writes laws and rewrites laws to benefit themselves and they only pick and choose which laws to enforce. We got laws on immigration but they don't enforce those because slave labor benefits BIG BIDNASS, but they can easily make laws to prevent you from ripping your own store bought CD to put on your MP3 player. Whats this world coming to?

942.1.2008 22:29

ok everyone lets break it down ... first... how did they even know that this guy had any music on his computer dosnt that like scare anyone.....? second ... lets talk about fair use policy where does it say that we can make a copy .... it dosnt sorry but we have all agreed to this ... third ...but who said we can copy and alter the origonal format to use ...(aka) mp3 sorry again it cant be done legally .. ok so we are buying a media that has faults and is prone to being scratched... not kewl waste of money... so now we have mp3s available as a download if we buy them but we become victum to a virus, dmr or some other issue that can wipe them from our machines.. sad but true.. so if they would garrentee the cd to last or not scratch or have some open door trogen (mp3) we would be happy but they know that we the people will do as we are given to the options of what they are willing to sell us for a few more dollars.... see its always been about the money and now they are asking to tie up our court systems with lawsuits that will amount to nothing, will they next be checking our laptops in our homes to see if we have any music on them we its hard to do that unless they hack into our systems and then they to should be able to be sued as terroist... food for thought everyone if they hack my machine they will find music I have created myself with a watermark and I will sue them for invassion of privicy... to a tune of 50 million to start and from there I wont care because my summer house will be their office....... and they will be scrubbing the floors if the ever want to work again..... yes we are all pissed due to the issues that face the world and our tunes seem to be the last stand but maybe with the current administration we can see the light ... its time for a change ... get someone in charge who recogonises this as a waste of tax payers money and start charging the companys for even filing them man its time we all stand up and were counted and maybe the world can hear a voice of reason.... just let go of it most of buy music be it many forms cds music dvds and mp3s tos a big wold out there how about selling us a alblum that has more then 2 out 18 songs that maybe worth our time listioning to..... I'd buy that ...

953.1.2008 0:05

In the US border with Mexico theyre checking if you carry burned cds and theyll fined you dont matter if you purchased that music legally,a nephew of a friend got fined for $5000 so everytime we go to the US got to leave our cds in our houses..way to go NAZIS

963.1.2008 1:27

I love how the RIAA seems to think that devoting National Security resources and task forces against finding single Mum's with Mp3's is a more productive use of resources than going after extremists with MP5's and Semtex.

The amount of money and resources that has been wasted on their bullshit campaign would be astounding. With all that cash they could developed some new, proprietary DRM format for all music record companies to use or something, instead of bitching and whining to the Supreme Court.

973.1.2008 6:42

Somehow I forgot to put my 2 cents in.

They will never get away with that one. They will have to butt heads with the companies that profit by ripping as well as the public. Even the sleaziest politician would have reservations changing a cornerstone law that could destroy the modern world. The implication to that law is nothing should be copied! To do it correctly they would need to eliminate copy machines and computers. Everything ought to be hand written. Probably CD and other recording technology should be banned as well. The only way to hear music should be live music.

They have come to the realization that ripping is the worst thing for their industry. It took them long enough! Even if a user never shares the music still they have their music in a form that does not wear out. They liked the good old days where listeners would have to pay for there music several times because their vinyl; of tape would wear out.

They figure they will try to change the copywrite law to abolish fair use. Maybe they ought to seize the libraries because they have copy machines. Book publishers are less short sighted then the music industry. They prefer not to alienate their customers. I say lobby to cut the copywrite down to 5 years instead of a century.

The biggest shame is the music industry is in the golden age for making a profit. They just need to sell good quality at a good price. They just can't grow out of the mind set that they have to make a killing every time they sell something. This will kill them!

Gradical, RIAA has attacked HD radio they are getting payments because HD radio has CD quality. HD radio is not close to CD quality but the RIAA as a great imagination.

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983.1.2008 8:00

The guys who make recording media will just say it's for recording other things like podcasts and lectures and all that bogus....

993.1.2008 11:04
mikecUSA
Inactive

I can't recall the last time I burned a disc. I even have a SONY VAio with a Blu-Ray Disc burner in it. No BRD-R's,CD-R's, definitely no DVD-R's. I just have no need for them anymore. Ironic, since I never owned a computer and rarely used one until I found out about CD recorders back in 1995. If not for the invention of the PC -CD recorder, I never would have even bought a computer.

Now I can't live with out I-Tunes, NAPSTER Drudge Report, Jeff Rense, EBAY, AMAZON and my personal addiction AFTERDAWN.COM---I love my computers!

1003.1.2008 18:18

I suspect this story is NOT TRUE! The court documents claim that Jeffrey Howell had copied music into a SHARED KAZAA folder!

Three of RIAA's four major members are now selling non-DRM downloads. They would not be doing that if they wanted to stop people from making personal copies. Perhaps one of the RIAA's lawyers misstated the RIAA's position.

The fact is, personal copying is legal in the U.S.A. per the Audio Home Recording Act (as long as you don't crack copy protection). If the RIAA wants to change this, they will have to lobby congress to change the law.

1014.1.2008 0:18

Quote:
If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings, you're stealing
First of all downloading audio from a ptp client is not STEALING.
Imagine this, Daniel raided Mike's house and looted all his furniture,items etc. since Mike no longer has them in possesion he is
a victim of theft. But lets say Dan copied all of his mp3's Mike could still run them, all Dan did was reproduce some 1s and os. Same with so-called stealing satelite signals. You can not steal some for of electromagnetic radiation, signals are everywhere even in your house but did you authorise them to be in your hose. maybe not if your not a subscriber. If somethings in your house it's yours. You wouldn't want a burglar in your house, so what give some multinational corp to transmit it to you. If its in your house you have a right to utilize it. ITS NOT STEALING PERIOD!!!
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No one can give you wiser advise than yourself.
-Cicero

1024.1.2008 4:25

Interesting concept, there, Leningrad. But like all original thoughts, that would have to be proven in court, and this is where your so-called bent judiciary would be outed.
I will be with you in spirit.

1035.1.2008 0:58

Regardless of legal issues Leneingrad has the most valid point of all. The only problem is that it that the the RIAA and the courts will prey on the double standard of it. Legally the issue transcends into privacy in ones home while the other is (for some strange reason) viewed as a theft of services of some sort. In which I really don't see the RIAA or the courts providing any means of services by attacking ones privacy. I believe the key word here is "privacy" but in this day and age we are starting to loose more and more of our privacy everyday. The shit that the RIAA and MPAA are doing is just the tip of the iceberg. It no different then the American law that just came into play that the screening of all phone calls is now considered legal (and I don't remember having a vote for that shit). When someone has an idea to take back the things that are rightfully ours as a whole then I'm all in. Until then its just hot steam and wishful thinking.

1045.1.2008 1:40

Leningrad makes sense. I wish I had paid more attention to his writings. I assume he has contributed in the past.
As long as I am only making copies of my DVDs/CDs, for my own use, i.e, to preserve the integrity of the originals in a safe place, all those people can shout as much as they like. I will keep on making copies.
At this time, I have to add that I have not bought many CDs/DVDs, in the last few years, even before those organisations started to get hungry.
I have this exception to people who take their ( earned ) gains to inject them directly into their veins, or eyelids,or toes, or wherever. Call me foolish, but there you have it. I could go on....

1055.1.2008 1:48

I was going to add: When the RIAA pass a decree, the collective answer should be" Yas suh, massa, right away, massa, would you like me to pass you the whip, massa, so you can punish me? a good whipping will not hurt this niggah, sah!!! ad infinitum.

1065.1.2008 4:55

How exactly is making an extra copy of a CD onto my computer going to hurt the record sales of Britney Spears or 50 Cent (just an example folks lol).

I mean how is this AT ALL damaging to the music industry.
Look at it the this way:

I buy Artist X's new CD.
He receives royalties from my purchase anyway.
I take my CD and copy it onto my computer, so that I can strictly play it on the computer with having the CD in an optical drive.

By making a duplicate copy of a CD, Artist X is not loosing or gaining any money. He simply has one more copy of each song on a digital medium. Because it's on a computer and not on a hard copy like a disc or tape nobody else (necessarily) will have access to it apart from myself.

It's not Camera companies demand royalties for each photo you take using their cameras.

1075.1.2008 15:52

Originally posted by DVDdoug:
I suspect this story is NOT TRUE! The court documents claim that Jeffrey Howell had copied music into a SHARED KAZAA folder!

Three of RIAA's four major members are now selling non-DRM downloads. They would not be doing that if they wanted to stop people from making personal copies. Perhaps one of the RIAA's lawyers misstated the RIAA's position.

The fact is, personal copying is legal in the U.S.A. per the Audio Home Recording Act (as long as you don't crack copy protection). If the RIAA wants to change this, they will have to lobby congress to change the law.

Wait a mo there grasshopper. All future downloads DRM free, sounds good. Does the same go for cd's and dvd's? For as long as I can remember In the US you cannot circumvent copy protection, even for fair-use. This has not changed, and will not change in the near future. So if you want second rate quality, download and back-up. If you want original quality then buy 2 cd's or dvd's and use 1 of them as a back-up. Thats what these people are saying. And anyway there was much talk about watermarking future music/movie downloads to deter filesharing.

1085.1.2008 16:41

DVDdoug, I think they are selling non DRMed tunes to make a buck. To them there is no right of wrong just opportunities.

Leningrad, is only correct because the law says you can make a copy of a copyrighted material for your own use unless you have agreed not to. Actually for some of the reasons he mentioned. That is fair use. I don't think the RIAA has enough clout to rewrite an old law. I suspect they are blowing smoke. They have a good thing with the crazy 100 year copyright law.

1096.1.2008 22:54

All the RIAA wants is cash, the executives are just sitting behind thier
desks and counting all the cash the made from the lawsuits. Thats just
what capatilism is just plain lies. Although communisim was bad in several ways the knew how capatilisim damaged people and bodies of authority.Yet we see poor people everywhere these people truly need money for thier survival.Poverty is the result of capatilisim.


No one can give you wiser advise than yourself.
-Cicero

1107.1.2008 6:37

Originally posted by DVDdoug:

Quote:
I suspect this story is NOT TRUE! The court documents claim that Jeffrey Howell had copied music into a SHARED KAZAA folder!

Your statement got me thinking...
That would indicate Jeffrey ceased and desisted possibly after a near miss and still they came after him with everything they could muster. It would appear once you use per2per you can be on a hit list forever! They will harress you even if they can't actually prove do did anything wrong. I guess they are playing Alice Coopers "No More Mr. Nice Guy". I guess they figure the fear factor is more important than public relations. Maybe they think when the stop selling CDs they can stay in business taking people to court.

11112.1.2008 8:11
RNR1995
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Saber Rattling
This is a bunch of crap
The Sony decision clearly states you have the right to copy anything for personal use.
The media mafia is out of their mind
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._...y_Studios,_Inc.
Or Google it
Where you break the law as a consumer is the Draconian DMCA law
Which again I personally think is BS
If I own it I can copy it for personal use

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