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Fox to cut prices on Blu-ray catalog

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 13 Mar 2008 17:10 User comments (89)

Fox to cut prices on Blu-ray catalog Fox has announced that it will be the first major studio to have extensive price cuts on its HD movie catalog by discounting 22 of its best selling Blu-ray titles.
The price cut, which began yesterday, will see those 22 select films drop in MSRP by $10 USD each from $39.98 to $29.98 USD. However, the titles have been available for some time now on Amazon and other retailers for much less than the MSRP and usually retail for $19.95 USD.

The complete list, courtesy of HighDefDigest are:'28 Days Later,' 'Behind Enemy Lines,' 'Broken Arrow,' 'Cast Away,' 'Chain Reaction,' 'The Devil Wears Prada,' 'Edward Scissorhands,' 'Flight of the Phoenix (2004),' 'The Fly (1986),' 'From Hell,' 'Entrapment,' 'Fantastic Four,' 'Kiss of the Dragon,' 'The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen,' 'Men of Honor,' 'The Omen (2006),' 'Planet of the Apes (2001),' 'Rising Sun,' 'The Sentinel (2006),' 'Speed,' 'The Transporter' and 'Transporter 2.'

Although the price drop is not for all of Fox's titles, its good to see any price drops at all and heres hoping for more to come.


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89 user comments

113.3.2008 18:06

But what about new releases?

213.3.2008 18:31

Good for you. Here blu-ray titles cost $45-$55 a pop.

313.3.2008 19:25
oappi
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@arcanix
Wow... if you want to watch bd movies you prob should buy slysofts anydvd with hd option. if i understood corretly it should remove region code and need to buy hdcp devices. It cost like 79€ but you should get on your own quite fast.

413.3.2008 19:26

Originally posted by arcanix:
Good for you. Here blu-ray titles cost $45-$55 a pop.
Sounds like they are still greedy.

513.3.2008 19:34
hughjars
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Roll up, roll up, get your over-priced DRM'd to the hilt BD+ Blu-ray BS here, suckers.

613.3.2008 19:40

Good to see that there is a price cut.I guess it put to rest all the BS & lies about prices going up.

713.3.2008 19:50
hughjars
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$30 for your BD+ movies, eh nextgen.

What a bargain
(and note the days of BOGOs and $15 - $20 Blu-ray movies are long over).

But still you rush in to cheer them on.

LMAO.

813.3.2008 20:50

No one pays MSRP anymore.

The titles mentioned in the news item are available from amazon from $14.49 and $19.95 each.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/F...ay_Catalog/1563

913.3.2008 21:16

Those are really old movies.

1013.3.2008 21:28

Until I see them for $5.99 in a discount bin at walmart, I don't see any shift to high-def. New technology doesn't appeal to the masses until it reaches a price close to the technology it replaced. At a time when our economy's going into a recession (in the US for now) good luck getting people to start jumping for $30 dollar movies. If Sony wants to take on dvd they will have to make their product a necessity or cheap. Oh ya, before I hear people comparing the price to HD-DVD, I have to say thats not the game being played anymore. One format succeeded and the only reason we all argued about the whole format war is because we all want to see Hi-def become mainstream. Hopefully Sony play their cards right to make that happen.

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1113.3.2008 21:34
tripplite
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Quote:
But what about new releases?

with time my dear friend...with time...oh and torrents:)

1213.3.2008 21:47

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$30 for your BD+ movies, eh nextgen.

What a bargain
(and note the days of BOGOs and $15 - $20 Blu-ray movies are long over).

But still you rush in to cheer them on.

LMAO.
Yeah, if prices stay as high as they are $ony will end up loosing the real format war, the one against DVD.

$ony played their cards right against HD DVD but I really wanted to see how well either format competed against DVD once the dust from their skirmish cleared.

Peace

EDITED by Pop_Smith: Makes a bit more sense now.
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1313.3.2008 21:56

The price of today's technology is rather expensive, meaning expensive products. So I don't really understand all the constant complaining and whining about how everything is so expensive, technology wise.

Everybody wants a to make a profit, not lose money.

1413.3.2008 22:20

Originally posted by juankerr:
The titles mentioned in the news item are available from amazon from $14.49 and $19.95 each.
Hey that can't be right.

I thought people were saying that prices were going to GO UP.

1513.3.2008 23:02

Quote:
Everybody wants a to make a profit, not lose money.
Yea they want to make money. But at 200%,300%,400% profit what kind of world are we coming too? Where corporations and the fat cat executives get even fatter.

1613.3.2008 23:23

Originally posted by hughjars:
Roll up, roll up, get your over-priced DRM'd to the hilt BD+ Blu-ray BS here, suckers.
Gotta get used to it, hughjars. It's too late. No turning back now. It's here to stay, warts-&-all.

1713.3.2008 23:24

Originally posted by hughjars:
Roll up, roll up, get your over-priced DRM'd to the hilt BD+ Blu-ray BS here, suckers.
I wonder if 5 years from now you'll still be at it

1813.3.2008 23:26

Originally posted by juankerr:
No one pays MSRP anymore.

The titles mentioned in the news item are available from amazon from $14.49 and $19.95 each.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/F...og/1563


Only trouble is, a lot of people don't want to wait for mail order when they can get it NOW at their local retailer, even if it does cost a bundle more.

1913.3.2008 23:35

Remember how much regular DVD was when it first came out? And now look at it. Its only a matter of time.

2013.3.2008 23:37

Originally posted by samshizze:
Remember how much regular DVD was when it first came out? And now look at it. Its only a matter of time.
dont let fanatics hear you because they'll hate you. with a passion.

2114.3.2008 1:21
vinny13
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You guys are all retarded if you think cheaper is crap, no matter what the situation is.

You complain about $30, but how's $40 sound, eh?

2214.3.2008 7:18

Anyone paying $15 to $20 for a Blu ray movie (with very rare exceptions) is simply wasting their money. Sign up with Netflix and get 3 at a time for $17 a month (or less for 2 at a time or 1 at a time). Precious few movies are worth watching more than once, anyway.

2314.3.2008 7:18

Anyone paying $15 to $20 for a Blu ray movie (with very rare exceptions) is simply wasting their money. Sign up with Netflix and get 3 at a time for $17 a month (or less for 2 at a time or 1 at a time). Precious few movies are worth watching more than once, anyway.

2414.3.2008 8:44

All the movies on that list of lowered prices, i either already own on SD DVD or just plain don't want in the first place.

Thanks much FOX.

2514.3.2008 9:16
hughjars
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Originally posted by A_Klingon:
Gotta get used to it, hughjars. It's too late. No turning back now.
- I agree with that, they will undoubtedly try to act as they intended all along, recovering the lost SD DVD margins with their higher margin Blu-rays.

Originally posted by A_Klingon:
It's here to stay, warts-&-all.
- .....and this is the bit I don't agree with.

Oh they'll push it mightily for sure, but I really do not see it convincing the mass-market at all.

Too many people do not think the premium is worth it compared to upscaled SD DVD
(and if that new Super Upconversion tech lives up to it's promises of low cost and high quality then that may well be the next big thing as it works so well with 100% SD DVD - that kind of appeal to everyone;'s existing SD DVD collection is not going to be over-looked lightly if it comes in as a low cost technology performing as well as it promises -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qxa1zv5uI&feature=related

......and you can easily tell the Blu-ray gang are seriously scared sh!teless about this one as they have flooded the net with disinformation about it already for anyone trying to Google the subject).
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2614.3.2008 11:14

Originally posted by xblade132:
The price of today's technology is rather expensive, meaning expensive products. So I don't really understand all the constant complaining and whining about how everything is so expensive, technology wise.

Everybody wants a to make a profit, not lose money.
Agreed. New technology is always very expensive to start with. That is how it works. Wasn't SD DVD technology expensive when it first started too? Yes, it was and as the technology became widely adopted and more efficent to produce, the price went down.

Originally posted by defgod:
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Everybody wants a to make a profit, not lose money.
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Yea they want to make money. But at 200%,300%,400% profit what kind of world are we coming too? Where corporations and the fat cat executives get even fatter.
Do you have proof of this? Also, this "kind of world" has existed for a long time now. Why wouldn't want to make as much money off of something as you could? That is business 101: Negotiation. If someone is willing to pay a higher price, why lower the price?

If you don't want to pay a certain amount for something, wait a while, the price will go down or don't buy it at all. An excellent example of this: Computer parts. CPUs are seriously expensive when they first come out, wait a few months and it is 100s of dollars cheaper. This business practice isn't anything new and it won't change, I guarantee it.

2714.3.2008 11:16

If you think upscaled SD DVD looks as good as true HD in whatever form (e.g. HDDVD, BluRay, HD Broadcast) you need to either get glasses or new lenses for your glasses. And the "Super Upconversion", as stated in the video, is only to make old footage look closer to HD. With prices like $30-40 per disk these things will go the way of the laser disc, quick.

2814.3.2008 12:03

Originally posted by 7thsinger:
All the movies on that list of lowered prices, i either already own on SD DVD or just plain don't want in the first place.

Thanks much FOX.
I hope you don't own The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen :P

Too much $$$ still. I won't pay over $15 for a bluray movie, and $10 for a SD movie, which is why I buy used anyway and don't own any bluray titles yet.

2914.3.2008 12:03

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.....and you can easily tell the Blu-ray gang are seriously scared...
I don't think so. 'They' Won. For Now.

Besides, I'm just waiting this one out for a while, while the dust settles. If I think it's appropriate for ME, I'll get it, IF the price suits me. If not, I'll find something else.
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3014.3.2008 12:07

Super-Upconversion is an interesting concept.

It will obviously be compared to the best Realta based upconverters out there. The cheapest Realta based Denon is about $850.

The Toshiba prototypes are based on a modified Cell processor.

If they can make a machine that does a better job than the Realta players AND if they can make this Cell-based player cost less than the $850 Denon then I would be interested.

It would also be interesting if they incorporated this technology to their Regza line of flat panels.

3114.3.2008 12:41

Originally posted by emugamer:
Originally posted by 7thsinger:
All the movies on that list of lowered prices, i either already own on SD DVD or just plain don't want in the first place.

Thanks much FOX.
I hope you don't own The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen :P


Lol...No. No thanks. I watched it once. That was enough.

I also tend to stick with used movies from a variety of different places. I've got a nifty little shop here close that sells used video games/movies/cd's and a pretty decent price, i pretty get it there or Amazon.




3214.3.2008 12:43
hughjars
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Originally posted by TSRSteve:
If you think upscaled SD DVD looks as good as true HD in whatever form (e.g. HDDVD, BluRay, HD Broadcast) you need to either get glasses or new lenses for your glasses.
- I have never said this and I don't know anyone else who has.

I have seen people say that upscaling can look very very good and close to high def.

{hmmm, maybe I ought to scratch that, it might be more accurate to say that compared to the first cr@ppy MPEG2 25gb Blu-ray encodes good upscaling genuinely could actually look better -
the original issue of 'The Fifth Element', anyone?
Or maybe 'House of the Flying Daggers'
LMAO!)

I have also seen a hell of a lot of people saying that compared to what you get the price of high def is not worth it.

That is nothing like the same thing as you have trued to say I have been saying.

Originally posted by TSRSteve:
And the "Super Upconversion", as stated in the video, is only to make old footage look closer to HD.
- Er no. I don't think you have understood what Super upconversion is at all.

Super Upconversion is a means of gaining higher detail by multiple frame scans (just like every forensic lab the world over does with movie/video analysis).
There's nothing odd or magical about it, it's real & it works.

The only thing that is unusual about this is that thanks to the Cell processor it can be done in real-time by an SD DVD player in your front room.

Super Upconversion works with all regular SD DVD movie discs, that's the beauty of it.
No-one needs to change their existing video collections.

I can see it having a wide & enormous appeal (especially as it doesn't use any new names or media etc etc to frighten people off with) for anyone with a decent existing SD DVD collection.

The only differences in it's performance will be that the quality improvement & high def will be more pronounced with those SD DVD movies with a high bit-rate.

Originally posted by TSRSteve:
With prices like $30-40 per disk these things will go the way of the laser disc, quick.
- Like I said, I don't think you have understood this, super upconversion only uses regular SD DVD movie discs.
Not special or expensive new media.

Who is selling SD DVD discs @ $30 - $40?

Originally posted by eatsushi:
Super-Upconversion is an interesting concept.

It will obviously be compared to the best Realta based upconverters out there. The cheapest Realta based Denon is about $850.
- I don't think you're comparing like with like.

Upscaling (no matter how expensive the chipset) is not the same as this form of upconversion.

Upscaling does not scan 'x' number of previous and 'x' number of coming video frames to enhance the detail within a single displayed frame of video.

......and the Realta (nor any of the rest of the higher end uopscaling chips) will never be produced by the multi-zillion like the Cell is now sure to be.
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3314.3.2008 13:03

Originally posted by hughjars:
Upscaling (no matter how expensive the chipset) is not the same as this form of upconversion.
It doesn't matter how they "guess" the additional pixels. The end result is still the same: a higher resolution video from a 480i/p source. Some players just do it better than others.

Mark my word: the AV reviewers out there will compare the performance of Toshiba's SUC to the currently available crop of DVD upconverters.
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3414.3.2008 13:16

Originally posted by eatsushi:
It doesn't matter how they "guess" the additional pixels. The end result is still the same: a higher resolution video from a 480i/p source. Some players just do it better than others.

Mark my word: the AV reviewers out there will compare the performance of Toshiba's SUC to the currently available crop of DVD upconverters.
It's definitely possible that on a 720p HDTV that's less than 40 inches, there will be no discernible difference between a SUC player and a sub-$50 upconverter from Walmart. ;)

3514.3.2008 13:49
hughjars
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Originally posted by eatsushi:
It doesn't matter how they "guess" the additional pixels. The end result is still the same: a higher resolution video from a 480i/p source. Some players just do it better than others.
- Super Upconversion has nothing to do with "guessing" - unlike the much less sophisticated upscaling tech.

It's about the extraction and combining of additional real detail that is present in the preceding and following frames.

There's nothing "guessing" about it......like I said, it's real, it works and it's been done in forensic labs for decades.

Originally posted by eatsushi:
Mark my word: the AV reviewers out there will compare the performance of Toshiba's SUC to the currently available crop of DVD upconverters.
- ....yeah and the moment it's seen to be as markedly superior as it is
(see the video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qxa1zv5uI&feature=related )
it will quickly get compared to real high def, which is what it is.

The Blu-ray gang can have their fun with this but they are the ones now sitting on a format going nowhere but further up the PS3 niche.

With a little luck and some (for a change) decent advertising Super Upconversion will just cement SD DVD into an even more dominant position in the market

(and good riddance to the over-priced, DRM-ridden & closed mess that is Blu-ray and the intent behind it. :P )
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3614.3.2008 16:03

Originally posted by hughjars:

- ....yeah and the moment it's seen to be as markedly superior as it is
(see the video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qxa1zv5uI&feature=related )
it will quickly get compared to real high def, which is what it is.

The Blu-ray gang can have their fun with this but they are the ones now sitting on a format going nowhere but further up the PS3 niche.

With a little luck and some (for a change) decent advertising Super Upconversion will just cement SD DVD into an even more dominant position in the market

(and good riddance to the over-priced, DRM-ridden & closed mess that is Blu-ray and the intent behind it. :P )
After toshiba, you droped HD-DVD too.
And what? You are a SD-DVD supporter now?
What i see is that you could even say that VHS is better than BD and Atari better than PS3.You just dont like Sony.
You proved to be wrong in every word about HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray war and now you are saying that SD-DVD upconversion is better than BD? lolx9

Let me ask you something....
Super upconverters are better than HD-DVD?

3714.3.2008 16:33
atomicxl
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Quote:
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Everybody wants a to make a profit, not lose money.
Yea they want to make money. But at 200%,300%,400% profit what kind of world are we coming too? Where corporations and the fat cat executives get even fatter.
Haha, when has this ever not been the case in America's 250+ year history? The world you don't want to come has been here. The world not like that never existed in the first place.

3814.3.2008 16:36

And to support that hughjars, I really do scratch my head when I see a movie like Star Wars or the Untouchables on HBOHD or one of the other HD movie channels. How exactly do take an older movie, made during a period where Hi-Fi was the rage (and not HD) and magically shill it to me for 3 times what I can buy it for on DVD?

That's where my argument lies with upconversion, because I feel the older movies (the ones MPAA wants us to rebuy again and again on different mediums) don't gain anything by just being on Blu-Ray, versus watching an upconverted DVD version.

3914.3.2008 16:39

Originally posted by SDF_GR:
Originally posted by hughjars:

- ....yeah and the moment it's seen to be as markedly superior as it is
(see the video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qxa1zv5uI&feature=related )
it will quickly get compared to real high def, which is what it is.

The Blu-ray gang can have their fun with this but they are the ones now sitting on a format going nowhere but further up the PS3 niche.

With a little luck and some (for a change) decent advertising Super Upconversion will just cement SD DVD into an even more dominant position in the market

(and good riddance to the over-priced, DRM-ridden & closed mess that is Blu-ray and the intent behind it. :P )
After toshiba, you droped HD-DVD too.
And what? You are a SD-DVD supporter now?
What i see is that you could even say that VHS is better than BD and Atari better than PS3.You just dont like Sony.
You proved to be wrong in every word about HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray war and now you are saying that SD-DVD upconversion is better than BD? lolx9

Let me ask you something....
Super upconverters are better than HD-DVD?
Hugh had all of the same intentions that Toshiba had about HD-DVD, and that ship sailed when Warner jumped exclusively to Blu-Ray, forcing Toshiba to cancel CES and then HD-DVD altogether.

Some of us take things way too personal, it's not like we own the corporations we constantly critique with a fine tooth comb.

4014.3.2008 18:12

ahhh how i love forums and peanuts. im glad to see FOX announce a price drop on a selection of their movies, surely this action will become the norm over the next few months. i expect other studios to do the same.

i guess this will never end. i think its fair to say for every blu or HDM thread that appears on AD there is always going to be the arguments about SUC and SD DVD. seems silly but w/e.

i often wonder why some REDboys argue for SD DVD, saying they won't go BLU because SD DVD is "good enough" for their HD movie needs. so it seems logical to ask or even wonder why the FARK they invested in HD-DVD to begin with. i mean they already said SD DVD is good enough and the visual difference between HD-DVD and BLU is MIA, so really what is it? one might think of Price? well, that is EXTREMELY unlikely because this group of people invested EARLY into the HDM game, so they paid TOP DOLLAR for their PLAYERS. sure PRICE may have been a factor in the early going of things but that can't really be said any longer as one can pick up a BRplayer today for a much lower price than what they initially paid for HD-DVD.

I could argue about medium prices and how blu-ray was often cheaper but I don’t feel as if I have to. The reason why HD-DVD movies were a few bucks more than Blu-ray is irrelevant, and most informative people understand what I am referring to. The fact remains the same, often times the more expensive player had the better BOGOS and cheaper movies. Sad isn’t it?

hey i got a great idea why not piss away another 100 BUCKS on a "BACKUP" HD-DVD player. im sorry but if you think along those lines and have the disposable cash to simply waste a 100 bucks on a “BACK UP” (something that is going to sit in a box), well clearly, price is not an issue. Haha “backup” player. Some seem so confident about their HD-DVD player that I would also wonder why they would even want a backup if they are so confident. Buying a backup and upconverter are two different cases. Don’t mistake that.

May be people won’t go blu, well I guess its more purple than anything because they can’t play backups. Sure that seems plausible but just how many HD-DVD backups do most owners have? Hmmm, I do wonder.

Then there is the ongoing cry about 2.0, but then again I really don’t see too much interactivity with SDdvds, so really why all the fuss? Its all about the MOVIE right? Or do you lust for the added features? Doubt it. said arguments are contradictions and often from the silly hippocrates that infest the forum.

Consider this case, I went out and spent 3k on my sony xbr4 tv. Now having spent that much money it would seem logical that I would then be able to afford a 500 dollar or 700 dollar HD player. I mean if can’t fork up a few hundred dollars, what purpose do I have spending 3k on a tv?

Now for me to get the most out of my INVESTMENT (if you will) and really anyone else who has HDTV, it seems LOGICAL and RATIONAL for me to go BLU,RED,Purple. Why the hell would I settle for “upconverting.” Do you think I really would be getting the most out of my purchase? I sure as hell don’t. surely one can apply similar logic to any HDTV purchase over say the $1200 mark.

I can understand some people’s feelings toward price and benefit, but only from those who haven’t already invested in the HD formats or someone who bought a HD-DVD player for its upconversion ability. take what i say with a grain of salt oh wait, i wasn't constantly proven wrong. i'll never forget "WAIT FOR CES" just wait. hahaha. assclown

4114.3.2008 18:40

Originally posted by SProdigy:

Hugh had all of the same intentions that Toshiba had about HD-DVD, and that ship sailed when Warner jumped exclusively to Blu-Ray, forcing Toshiba to cancel CES and then HD-DVD altogether.

Some of us take things way too personal, it's not like we own the corporations we constantly critique with a fine tooth comb.
But that doesn't make SD upscaling better than BD.
As hade said, if you have a full HD 1080p TV & a BD player you wont buy the SD version of [ex] F4 Silver Surfer, you'll buy the BD version.

In my opinion the greatest issue about HD vs SD is the TV's not the players.
Anyone can buy a BD player, but the TV is the expensive one, and there are many people that they don't even know what HD/BD etc is at all, they just see the Tag with the price.
In my opinion till everyone replace there SDTV's with HDTV's,
SD-DVD's will continue outsell BD.
And thats not a BD/Sony issue, same thing if Toshiba/HD-DVD had won the war.

4214.3.2008 19:06

Quote:
But that doesn't make SD upscaling better than BD.
As hade said, if you have a full HD 1080p TV & a BD player you wont buy the SD version of [ex] F4 Silver Surfer, you'll buy the BD version.

In my opinion the greatest issue about HD vs SD is the TV's not the players.
Anyone can buy a BD player, but the TV is the expensive one, and there are many people that they don't even know what HD/BD etc is at all, they just see the Tag with the price.
In my opinion till everyone replace there SDTV's with HDTV's,
SD-DVD's will continue outsell BD.
And thats not a BD/Sony issue, same thing if Toshiba/HD-DVD had won the war.

going along your line of logic about the tvs being the issue makes it fair for me to say that BR demand will be increasing. HDTV demand is increasing not decreasing. i don't believe that even HALF of the US has HDTV in their home. given that every HDTV purhcase opens the door for BR as stores surely will be pushing the product with every sale, i only see BR sales as going up. why would someone invest in blu-ray who doesn't have an HDTV? you got me so the complement shared between TV and Player will help boost BR.

4314.3.2008 20:11

Quote:
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But that doesn't make SD upscaling better than BD.
As hade said, if you have a full HD 1080p TV & a BD player you wont buy the SD version of [ex] F4 Silver Surfer, you'll buy the BD version.

In my opinion the greatest issue about HD vs SD is the TV's not the players.
Anyone can buy a BD player, but the TV is the expensive one, and there are many people that they don't even know what HD/BD etc is at all, they just see the Tag with the price.
In my opinion till everyone replace there SDTV's with HDTV's,
SD-DVD's will continue outsell BD.
And thats not a BD/Sony issue, same thing if Toshiba/HD-DVD had won the war.

going along your line of logic about the tvs being the issue makes it fair for me to say that BR demand will be increasing. HDTV demand is increasing not decreasing. i don't believe that even HALF of the US has HDTV in their home. given that every HDTV purhcase opens the door for BR as stores surely will be pushing the product with every sale, i only see BR sales as going up. why would someone invest in blu-ray who doesn't have an HDTV? you got me so the complement shared between TV and Player will help boost BR.
Try to explain that to people that they think that cause the new HD media is BD=Sony is the problem that HD sales are poor.
They don't understand that HD-DVD would have the same fate.

4414.3.2008 21:07
hughjars
Inactive

Originally posted by SDF_GR:
After toshiba, you droped HD-DVD too.
- Actually my HD DVD collection has grown pretty well since the decision to stop HD DVD was announced.

I'm getting my high def now.

I am not gambling on those movies ever appearing on BD (or taking an age to appear on BD).

Originally posted by SDF_GR:
And what? You are a SD-DVD supporter now?
- Do you have problems in not seeing the world in simplistic black & white 'either/or' terms?

Originally posted by SDF_GR:
You proved to be wrong in every word about HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray war
- Well it's true that things turned out differently to what I had expected and was led to expect.
That's life kiddo.
No-one is ever right 100% of the time.

But the loss of HD DVD does not suddenly make Blu-ray 'OK'.
Blu-ray remains an over-priced, limited, DRM-crammed and dumb closed concept.

Originally posted by SDF_GR:
and now you are saying that SD-DVD upconversion is better than BD? lolx9
- Er, are you visually impaired?

This is what I actually said -

I have seen people say that upscaling can look very very good and close to high def.

(hmmm, maybe I ought to scratch that, it might be more accurate to say that compared to the first cr@ppy MPEG2 25gb Blu-ray encodes good upscaling genuinely could actually look better -
the original issue of 'The Fifth Element', anyone?
Or maybe 'House of the Flying Daggers'
LMAO!)


If you would do me the courtesy of sticking to what I actually said it might be better, eh?

Originally posted by SDF_GR:
Let me ask you something....
Super upconverters are better than HD-DVD?
- They might be, or they might be equal or they might be fractionally behind HD DVD, at this point who can say for sure?

But from the look of that demo video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qxa1zv5uI&feature=related
it looks extremely impressive.

.....it's so impressive in fact that the Blu-ray goons have already spammed the net to try to choke up Google with their idiotic stupidity to obstruct anyone looking to find out more about it
(such a give-away).

Originally posted by SDF_GR:
But that doesn't make SD upscaling better than BD.
- Well as I keep saying this is your own invention.
I have yet to see anyone seriously say it is "better" - excepting perhaps when compared to those laughably poor initial Blu-ray releases.

Originally posted by SDF_GR:
As hade said, if you have a full HD 1080p TV & a BD player you wont buy the SD version of [ex] F4 Silver Surfer, you'll buy the BD version.
- Nope.

I'd either find the German HD DVD release of it or a rip or an encode (or if it was one I really liked and wanted I'd buy the SD version and enjoy it upscaled on my HD A/EP35.....which does an excellent job at upscaling btw).

What I would be doing above all would be avoiding the Blu-ray option all together.

I know you just don't get this but that's your problem.

Some of us will not touch Blu-ray players or retail movie media with a barge-pole.

It is a design specifically intended to remove 'power' from the owning consumer and place it in the hands of the producer/studios.
No thanks.

I like my high def but I won't have it at any price.

.....and it's not even as if there aren't umteen other high quality sources available for it (without all the Blu-ray BS) anyways.
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4514.3.2008 23:03

I've been following this site for a while. It is actually the first site I check each morning. However, I finally had to sign up just to post this:

LMAO!

HD-DVD lost, Blu-Ray won. End of story. I've seen "some" people post more crud (including opinion as fact) about upscaled SD-DVD, VOD, and every other "D" you can think of being better than Blu-Ray. People...give it up. This has nothing to do with one being better....some people just have extremely sour grapes.

Ya know....last time I checked, my PS3 upscales also...

4615.3.2008 2:19

Originally posted by hughjars:
- Er, are you visually impaired?

This is what I actually said -

I have seen people say that upscaling can look very very good and close to high def.

and i've seen people on tv say they saw ELVIS buying groceries last week...wtf is your point? hmmm i bet those are the same people who told you about that....well lets not go down memory lane.

Quote:
Some of us will not touch Blu-ray players or retail movie media with a barge-pole

wow thats awesome, but hey heres an idea, lets all go out and purchase some HD-DVDS...your logic is OUTSTANDING.

its a shame people spend thousands on a tv yet they won't allow themselves the ability to fully enjoy the capacity of HD. all because of some delusional prejudice towards a company.

although a family oriented movie i must say CARS looks simply AMAZING on Blu-ray and my XBR4. the realism, picture and colors are fantastic. SDDVD simply can't and won't live up to that kind of quality.

really, why would some people settle for anything less? oh wait a min, these are the same people who went with HD-DVD in the first place. HAHA
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4715.3.2008 4:26




This thread is about price cuts on Fox's Blu-Ray catalog not the continued arguments of why everything other than BR is superior.

Hughjars, everyone knows your stance and I'm tired of seeing you (and a few others) in the middle of these debates. Give it a rest, if you don't intend on buying the movies in this format then you shouldn't be posting in this thread.

For everyone....the essay length posts quoting and nit-picking of every detail of how your $hit smells better than the next guys is going to stop.

Grow up guys and gals and go watch all those movies you are snatching up in whatever format you prefer.

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4815.3.2008 6:35

Intelligence does not shine in this thread, thats for sure. Someone announces price reductions for BD movie line-up and you start complaining?

- If you are satisfied with DVD's and happy with upscalers, then what the hell are you whining about? Enjoy your movies and STFU
- If you have a HD DVD, then go ahead and capitalize on the cheap HD DVD closeout deals - it will be good bang for your buck, and the player is a decent DVD player as well. So STFU, and feast on the corpse of HD DVD

- If you have a PS3 or other Blu-ray player, then this is a good sign towards main streaming the format. It's new technology and initially the production costs are sky high compared to DVDs, but the price will eventually go down as the economics of scale start to kick in.

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4915.3.2008 7:37

Originally posted by hughjars:
......and you can easily tell the Blu-ray gang are seriously scared sh!teless about this one as they have flooded the net with disinformation about it already for anyone trying to Google the subject).
To be honest, I really couldn't care if Blu-ray does eventually die. It is inevitable that it will happen one day. When that day comes I will source my 1080p from whatever replaces it... Or 4320p, if that's what replaces it!... ? LOL! :-P

As I said on another thread, I am a HD addict! I don't care where it comes from. I just want it! It's like driving a sports car and then having to settle for a regular family car... It just doesn't quite feel the same.

I already have an up-convert DVD player (Samsung HD870) to play my 500+ regular DVD collection. I am very happy with the picture it gives from my SD DVD's. Hughjars, you are right that an up-convert DVD player is great and it definitely brings out the best in regular DVD's.

However, up-conversion just doesn't quite give the brilliance in visual and audio reproduction that Blu-ray provides (and HD-DVD did). People with high end equipment will agree with me that they simply want the very best. Why settle for something that may be as good... When you can be guaranteed that with Blu-ray?

5015.3.2008 9:16
hughjars
Inactive

Originally posted by hade:
wtf is your point?
- The point is, as if you didn't know, that I did not say what has been claimed.

Originally posted by hade:
its a shame people spend thousands on a tv yet they won't allow themselves the ability to fully enjoy the capacity of HD.
- Yeah, cos Blu-ray is the only means of getting high def?!

LMAO.

Originally posted by hade:
all because of some delusional prejudice towards a company.
- Hardly.

Originally posted by LOCOENG:
This thread is about price cuts on Fox's Blu-Ray catalog not the continued arguments of why everything other than BR is superior.
- ....and that's exactly what I 1st came in and started posting about.

Originally posted by LOCOENG:
Hughjars, everyone knows your stance and I'm tired of seeing you (and a few others) in the middle of these debates.
- Oh, ok.
Then you're saying that I shouldn't post what I consider correct & pertinent points and if people wish to debate the issues with me I'll ought not to bother, cos you've seen/heard it all before?

That doesn't seem a better way to run a vibrant open debate forum to me.

(and the reason I tend to quote and respond point by point is not for the silly reason you just gave, it's just so that people - sometimes several people in the one post - can easily see which point I've addressed as I do them the courtesy of answering their own comments fully.)

Originally posted by Ryu77:
Hughjars, you are right that an up-convert DVD player is great and it definitely brings out the best in regular DVD's.
- You're not referring to the same thing.

The current upscaling DVD players (including the HD DVD & Blu-ray upscaling) is not the same as this 'Super Upconversion'.

It's kind of along the same lines but much less sophisticated, upscaling cannot find & add real detail.
Obviously it can change resolution and it will try to 'fill in the blanks' with likely colour & textures from the surrounding coulours & textures.
Super Upconversion on the otherhand scans 'x' number of preceding frames and 'x' number of coming frames to detect, extract and add real, true and actual detail to the frame being shown.

LIke I said forensic labs have been using it for decades, it doesn't guess anything or invent anything. It's very real and it absolutely works.
The really amazing thing is that it's getting so cheap to put in your DVD player and the chipset is so fast as to be able to do it in real-time.

5115.3.2008 9:19

Thxs Locoeng


This is the reason i don't post that much anymore in BD or HD-DVD news treads because no matter what the truth is some people always trying to come up with a bunch of Bull ish..first HD-DVD,Then Upscaled DVD's,Then Blu-Ray torrents,Then Digital Downloads,Now Super up convert DVD players.When is this going to end? so people that enjoy BD can come to a tread & talk about Blu-Ray without being attacked about how it is a niche market or copy protection.

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5215.3.2008 9:32

hughjars, I completely understand the concept behind this player. I have seen the technology that Forensic Scientists use. Surely you can see that I have the intelligence to grasp this concept.

However, it still doesn't eliminate the "maybe" factor that Blu-ray "guarantees".

I don't know what to say hughjars, I tried to post in the most open way possible. I mentioned that I am not really fussed if Blu-ray dies one day (as I said, it is inevitable). I also stated that HD-DVD offered the same quality Blu-ray does. I am not the enemy here... I, like almost everybody else here is just passionate about innovative technology. At least I am open minded enough to accept change and embrace it.

More to the point, what does all this Super Up-conversion have to do with this thread?

The title of this thread is called "Fox to cut prices on Blu-ray catalog". Can we discuss this in peace please?


"Great minds discuss ideas... Average minds discuss events... Small minds discuss people"

PS3 compatible video creation thread... mkv2vob, tsMuxeR etc.: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/621809
The complete HD (Blu-ray/HD-DVD) back-up thread.: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/639346

5315.3.2008 9:55
hughjars
Inactive

Ryu77 if you don't like or want to discuss what I've said no-one is making you, you know?

If you don't think BD+ and all the rest of those DRM, profile & cost issues are relevant to Fox Blu-ray releases (Fox being the only studio, so far, making much use of BD+ for now) then fine, you ignore that if you like, no-one is forcing you to do a thing.

Others have taken a different view, have been discussing it and do think it's relevant to a thread about Fox releases
(and all without too much idiocy too).

Different POVs, keeps it interesting & helps to make the world go around, eh?

.....and I think you'll find that you yourself are not exactly innocent when it comes to discussing the related issues even if they are a little off-topic to the starting point of the thread, hmmmm?

5415.3.2008 9:57

hughjars, there is a big difference between attacking and defending... I'm going to leave it at that.


"Great minds discuss ideas... Average minds discuss events... Small minds discuss people"

PS3 compatible video creation thread... mkv2vob, tsMuxeR etc.: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/621809
The complete HD (Blu-ray/HD-DVD) back-up thread.: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/639346

5515.3.2008 10:52
hughjars
Inactive

I haven't attacked anyone.

If you can find personal attacking comments in my posts then go ahead and prove me wrong.

....and Nextgen76 can pretend to be the little hurt innocent too if s/he likes but there was a little incident a while back where s/he moaned about my posts and I backed off completely.

What did s/he do?

S/he came in acting like a one-man one-eyed PR campaign for Blu-ray.

It seems to me it's just like a game for the pro-Blu-ray gang: anyone that dares counter the Blu-ray PR gets complained about for 'attacking' the pro-Blu-ray posters.

5615.3.2008 10:56

I am Legend (With alternate Ending)
Blu-Ray
$18.95

Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...KX0DER&v=glance

I guess that would be a price cut on a new movie.....right?

5715.3.2008 11:05

Quote:
The current upscaling DVD players (including the HD DVD & Blu-ray upscaling) is not the same as this 'Super Upconversion'.

It's kind of along the same lines but much less sophisticated, upscaling cannot find & add real detail.
Super Upconversion does not find & add real detail. Upscaling uses a single frame, expands it and extrapolates the gaps. The fact that Super Upconversion tries to improve the extrapolation by analyzing more frames, does not mean that is can "find and add real detail". It is simply a more complex way of doing the extrapolation.

The source resolution is the limiting factor and there is no way around it. You can zoom the crap out of it, and do it better or worse, but there is no way around the source resolution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMoFQI5TTzY
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5815.3.2008 11:19
hughjars
Inactive

Originally posted by cd-rw.org:
Super Upconversion does not find & add real detail.
- Er, yes it does, as has been conclusively proved by every forensic lab that ever examined and enhanced any film they ever worked on.

Originally posted by cd-rw.org:
The fact that Super Upconversion tries to improve the extrapolation by analyzing more frames, does not mean that is can "find and add real detail". It is simply a more complex way of doing the extrapolation.
- No it isn't, you're plain wrong about this and would seem to be badly misinformed about what Super Upconversion is; it is not just a slightly better version of upscaling
(tho even there you're on shakey ground, considering so many people already do not agree that high def is worth the premium over current upscaled SD DVD).

It is absolutely about identifying & finding the details present in other frames preceding or coming after the shown frame to combine them into the original shown frame to give real & genuine additional detail.

I don't know why you guys are so hostile to this it is a fact of life and has been done for decades in video analysis.

(other than it undermining your day-dreams of your beloved Blu-ray/PS3 ruling the earth)

Originally posted by cd-rw.org:
The source resolution is the limiting factor and there is no way around it.
- Actually resolution is the easiest part to alter and it is not the same as using multiple frames to extract the maximum detail.

Originally posted by cd-rw.org:
You can zoom the crap out of it, and do it better or worse, but there is no way around the source resolution.
- .....and that "zooming" has nothing to do with identifying and combining the details present in several frames onto those single frames being shown at any one time.

Police forces and video labs all over the world prove you wrong.

Instead of posting a link to the stupid (mis)interpretation of what it's about (and boy weren't they quick to get that out to misinform people.....another clear giveaway) you ought to just stick to the truth and link to the one that at least talks about the reality, not the idiotic invented half-understood disinformation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qxa1zv5uI&feature=related

We'll all be seeing soon enough.
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5915.3.2008 11:27

Originally posted by PantherM:
I am Legend (With alternate Ending)
Blu-Ray
$18.95

Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...KX0DER&v=glance

I guess that would be a price cut on a new movie.....right?
It's not a Fox title but $18.95 for a BluRay new release is simply too good to pass up.

I pre-ordered this together with Bonnie and Clyde and Digital Video Essentials.

Thanks for the heads up.

6015.3.2008 13:04

Originally posted by cd-rw.org:
- .... So shut the (fudge) up, and feast on the corpse of HD DVD.
Hmmmmmm.....buzzzzzzzz...Yummy!.... Schrlurp! Ummmmmm.... goooood!




Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... :-D
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6115.3.2008 14:02

Originally posted by cd-rw.org:
[b]Intelligence does not shine in this thread, thats for sure... Enjoy your movies and shut the edited up.

So shut the edited up, and feast on the corpse of HD DVD.
I will not tolerate cursing in my articles, especially from members with as many posts as you have. Refrain from doing so, first and only warning.
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6215.3.2008 15:45

Quote:
Originally posted by PantherM:
I am Legend (With alternate Ending)
Blu-Ray
$18.95

Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...KX0DER&v=glance

I guess that would be a price cut on a new movie.....right?
It's not a Fox title but $18.95 for a BluRay new release is simply too good to pass up.

I pre-ordered this together with Bonnie and Clyde and Digital Video Essentials.

Thanks for the heads up.
Thats a good find because i just got No Country For Old Men yesterday from Amazon for 23.95 plus shipping was 26 & some change.But i will pre-order I Am Legend right now for that price you can't beat it.

No Country For Old Men (Blu-ray)Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002...ay%29&x=20&y=25
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6315.3.2008 16:05

OK, I can play your game...

Originally posted by hughjars:
- Oh, ok.
Then you're saying that I shouldn't post what I consider correct & pertinent points and if people wish to debate the issues with me I'll ought not to bother, cos you've seen/heard it all before?
You've missed the point in it's entirety. Your initial post in this topic was an obvious bait attempt to start this "debate" and it worked. Just as you took their bait in the threads where you rightfully defended your prefered format.

Originally posted by hughjars:
That doesn't seem a better way to run a vibrant open debate forum to me.
This is a tech forum, not a debate forum. The way I see it you came here armed and ready for a fight and you found it, but this isn't what the news threads are for.

Originally posted by hughjars:
Originally posted by LOCOENG:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This thread is about price cuts on Fox's Blu-Ray catalog not the continued arguments of why everything other than BR is superior.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

- ....and that's exactly what I 1st came in and started posting about.
So where are we now after your initial post....

Originally posted by hughjars:
Roll up, roll up, get your over-priced DRM'd to the hilt BD+ Blu-ray BS here, suckers.


...what exactly were you expecting after your initial post, a game of tiddlywinks?

There has been a zero tolerance for flame wars in the format wars news articles for a long time and I think this was a deliberate attempt to draw others into a flame.

Originally posted by hughjars:
Too many people do not think the premium is worth it compared to upscaled SD DVD
(and if that new Super Upconversion tech lives up to it's promises of low cost and high quality then that may well be the next big thing as it works so well with 100% SD DVD - that kind of appeal to everyone;'s existing SD DVD collection is not going to be over-looked lightly if it comes in as a low cost technology performing as well as it promises -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qxa1zv5...related


Then you take the entire thread off topic....which again, the bait was taken. So know we have one page discussing the price reductions and two pages discussing SUC vs BR.

Originally posted by cd-rw.org
:

Intelligence does not shine in this thread, thats for sure. Someone announces price reductions for BD movie line-up and you start complaining?

- If you are satisfied with DVD's and happy with upscalers, then what the hell are you whining about? Enjoy your movies and STFU
- If you have a HD DVD, then go ahead and capitalize on the cheap HD DVD closeout deals - it will be good bang for your buck, and the player is a decent DVD player as well. So STFU, and feast on the corpse of HD DVD

- If you have a PS3 or other Blu-ray player, then this is a good sign towards main streaming the format. It's new technology and initially the production costs are sky high compared to DVDs, but the price will eventually go down as the economics of scale start to kick in.
Amen, but we need to tone down the language...post edited.

Originally posted by Ryu77:
The title of this thread is called "Fox to cut prices on Blu-ray catalog". Can we discuss this in peace please?
...and your response to an attempt to get the thread back on topic...

Originally posted by hughjars:
Ryu77 if you don't like or want to discuss what I've said no-one is making you, you know?
Here's the thing...you see, you don't make the rules here and neither do I. They are there in black and white and from my viewpoint they are pretty clear, easy to understand and straight forward and every single person who has signed up as a member to this site has agreed to abide by them upon creating their account. The rules are set forth and the mods at AD have been given the task of making sure the members follow the rules. These rules are bent, broken, overlooked, and completely swept under the rug in certain cases. In the end there is still a decision to be made as to how far they are stretched and I'm making that decision now. You don't have to like it, but you do have to follow the guidelines set forth if you wish to continue to be a member here...this is not directed at anyone in particular, but rather everyone.

So here is the score....taken from the rules:

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2487

Quote:
6. No foul language, insults, personal attacks or otherwise rude messages.
There are alot of people who toe the line here and alot of slack is given, but the slack is being pulled back in.

Quote:
8. Don't reply with an off-topic comment/question -- instead start a new thread.
No need for comment on this one, it should be painfully obvious.

Quote:
14. If you see a post that violates any of these rules, please report it to our moderators using the "Report an offensive post" link. Do not play the role of a moderator if you are not one. There is absolutely no need to nitpick on the posts of new users. Let the moderators do their work.


I encourage everyone to use this feature, it still works in the news threads too. If it's not used and the back and forth continues then really both/all parties involved are in violation of #6 and #14.

Quote:
Messages that break any of the rules above can be removed or edited by the moderators and administrators of these forums. Even if something isn't specifically mentioned in the rules, it doesn't mean that it would be permitted. It is up to the moderators and administrators to determine what is appropriate and what is not.

Users who willfully violate the forum rules can be banned by the moderators and administrators.


There are a lot of intelligent members here that are knowledgable about the products they support, as well as the products they don't, but sometimes intelligence gets in the way of logic and common sense. Some of you are going to have to change your ways if you want to continue to be members of this site. This isn't up for debate.









6415.3.2008 16:47

Quote:
I am Legend (With alternate Ending)
Blu-Ray
$18.95

Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...=glance


i happen to buy most movies through amazon as they are usually ATLEAST 30% off if not MORE. one can even pick up NT BookofSecrets for 23.95. certainly nice prices all around i think. surfing around i just came across I am legend at overstock.com for 18.95. for those interested enough in HD, the best deals are online, you just have to find them. there are BOGOS, 10$ off, x% off all the time...

Originally posted by hughjars:
- Yeah, cos Blu-ray is the only means of getting high def?!

LMAO.

hugh ole buddy ole pal, i am honestly curious how you obtain movies such as POT, Cars, Simpsons, DieHard, and even the Spiderman trilogy in High Def? whether you enjoy or prefer these movies is beyond the point, as you probably know where im going with this. I ask because when i walk into BB,CC, walmart or even go over the border to FutureShop i only see these movies available in HIGH DEF on BLU-RAY. so apparently BLU-RAY is the only means at obtaining HIGH DEF to a certain DEGREE and thus as i already said, there are a minority of REDconsumers out there who are limiting their HD experience. and naturally if you say through your cable or satellite provider then i too would wonder why you invested in HD-DVD if that was/is already sufficient. then again you wouldn't even own a physical copy and wheres the fun in that. catch22..??
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6515.3.2008 18:14

Neph here backing up my man LOCO 100%.




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6615.3.2008 18:19

Originally posted by PantherM:
I am Legend (With alternate Ending)
Blu-Ray
$18.95

Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...KX0DER&v=glance

I guess that would be a price cut on a new movie.....right?
Just pre-ordered it on HD DVD (dont forget its standard DVD on the other side) for same price, very nice find ;)
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6715.3.2008 18:19

Originally posted by Nephilim:
Neph here backing up my man LOCO 100%.

That's a roger.
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6815.3.2008 18:26

Okay, I am sorry, but I will continue pulling this reply thread further off-topic. Some things just need to be set straight regarding SUC or Super Resolution. It is a a good upscaling method, but it can't do magic and certainly wont replace true HD. Such methods may be useful on very large TV:s, but on the other hand high-end TVs tend to have good scalers built in, like Faroudja's for an example.

Here is an excellent comparison by a software company that develops video enhancement software.

http://www.thedeemon.com/articles/video_...comparison.html

Move your mouse around the chart and look at the sample frames. Read the PNSR values for different scale methods and learn. From that excellent demo we can see that while Super Resolution is the better method for scaling, the difference to bicubic resample is less than stellar. Also worth noting is that SUC devices are supposed to do this is real time, so the algorithms need to be pretty damn fast, so I doubt that the analysis are as thorought as in offline video editing.

6915.3.2008 18:31
hughjars
Inactive

Originally posted by LOCOENG:
Your initial post in this topic was an obvious bait attempt to start this "debate" and it worked.
- Well I'm not trying to be deliberately argumentitive here or irritate or annoy but it wasn't.

It was just poking a bit of fun at Nextgen76 (we have a bit of history for this kind of thing) and at the Fox issues, BD+ & Blu-ray.

It was A_Klingons comment to me that provoked the Super Upconversion stuff and the discussion rolled on from there.

....and cd-rw.org a article about upscaling which doesn't even mention Super Upconversion proves nothing.

Anyways, I'd have thought you'd have been making all sorts of amazed & impressed comments about the power of the Cell.....or does that only apply when it's in a Sony product?
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7015.3.2008 18:46

Quote:
Originally posted by LOCOENG:
Your initial post in this topic was an obvious bait attempt to start this "debate" and it worked.
- Actually it wasn't.

It was poking a bit of fun at Nextgen76 (we have a bit of history for this kind of thing) and at Fox, BD+ & Blu-ray.

It was A_Klingons comment to me that provoked the Super Upconversion stuff and the discussion rolled on from there.
Thats the reason why i didn't reply to his comment because i know where it was going to lead to.You have a history of this i don't i may disagree with you but i don't attack or insult other members here period.Or ask Binkie7 she knows me better than any member knows me here.
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7115.3.2008 18:52
hughjars
Inactive

Originally posted by nextgen76:
i may disagree with you but i don't attack or insult other members here period.
- ....and whilst I may disagree (sometimes very strongly) I have never made a personal attack on you on these boards.

Nor (unlike you and some others) have I ever rolled in and started asking mods for people to be banned or suspended either. :P

7215.3.2008 18:55

What part of keep it on topic don't you people understand? The next post that isn't 100% about the topic is gone.



7315.3.2008 23:51

hughjars, lightning struck!!! whose next as there is now 4 mods involved in this thread?

7416.3.2008 0:45

Originally posted by ddp:
hughjars, lightning struck!!! whose next as there is now 4 mods involved in this thread?
Actually it was 5 moderators and 1 staff member... A_Klingon, LOCOENG, Nephilim, creaky, ddp and DVDBack23... Wow! All I can say is, it's about time... Thank you!

Now hopefully we can discuss Blu-ray related articles with freedom that will allow open discussion. I much rather have discussions about development and forward thinking in this format. If people want to talk about Blu-ray's DRM, let's talk about ways to circumvent it on a different thread, like this one... http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/639346.

This is what AfterDawn was created for in the first place.

Mods, I hope you don't mind me posting that link here. I am trying to encourage a positive viewpoint towards all this Blu-ray DRM mayhem. Taking action is always better than complaining.


Back to topic, can anybody confirm if these savings will be available in Australia?

Here's a nice Blu-ray price list from EzyDVD for anybody in Australia... http://www.ezydvd.com.au/mech/search.zml...or=&la=&su=&ob=

I am Legend is showing as $42.83 AUD, so it seems that we didn't get the discount as PantherM ($35.99 reduced to $18.95 USD) mentioned.

EDIT: I just realised (as juankerr also mentioned) that I am Legend is not a fox title.
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PS3 compatible video creation thread... mkv2vob, tsMuxeR etc.: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/621809
The complete HD (Blu-ray/HD-DVD) back-up thread.: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/639346

7516.3.2008 4:48

Quote:
Actually it was 5 moderators and 1 staff member
Yeah, and one ex-admin too =). It's kinda sad and is seen on many websites. The Sony anti-fanclub will take every opportunity to bash Sony/Blu-ray, attacking on every goddamn news post and discussion thread.

Anyway back on topic. Gradual price reductions is the way to go. I see that stand-alone players are now around the ~$350 price point, and will sink to $199 eventually. Blu-ray seems to be giving a good push to PlayStation 3, which is really gaining momentum now as it's more advanced technology offering is starting to open up for people (see article: here & here).

I hope and I have a feeling that the Blu-ray camp will push it aggressively towards main stream, instead of capitalizing on their monopoly. And they should too, as download based solutions are other more advance distribution mediums are evolving rapidly.

The old school is back. All hail the new http://BitBurners.com !

7616.3.2008 7:14

Originally posted by hughjars:
note the days of BOGOs and $15 - $20 Blu-ray movies are long over.
For anyone who's interested, there's a BOGO on selected BluRay titles at your local Target store starting today:

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=48704

Here's The list:
Casino Royale
Spider-man 3
Live Free Of Die Hard
Ocean’s Thirteen
300
SAW IV
3:10 To Yuma
Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World’s End
The Simpson’s Movie
The Game Plan
Ratatouille

Added: The 50% OFF BluRay sale at amazon is still ongoing. I think this started on the 11th:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie...205241&plpage=1
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7716.3.2008 11:23

This sucks....
I'm trying to buy a new car....and I don't want to spend money on new Blu-Rays right now.

But...I am Legend is on sale (Amazon)...so is Black Hawk Down (Amazon)....Now 300 is BOGO at Target?

I'm glad the price cuts are happening across multiple studios. I think people can live with $20 Blu-Ray's right now....especially in this economy.

7816.3.2008 11:31
vinny13
Inactive

Quote:
Actually it was 5 moderators and 1 staff member
Now if only there was this kinda support on the console threads... All of them :(

Even the positive ones get trashed...

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7916.3.2008 12:17

Originally posted by vinny13:
Quote:
Actually it was 5 moderators and 1 staff member
Now if only there was this kinda support on the console threads... All of them :(

Even the positive ones get trashed...
Nope, we're in there a great deal, far too much in fact..



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8016.3.2008 12:56

All the people I see complaining about not seeing enough mods around are the same ones I don't see offensive reports coming in from...if something needs done, use the button please.



8116.3.2008 12:58

[A line from hughjars, which I just noticed for the very first time] :

Quote:
It was A_Klingons comment to me that provoked the Super Upconversion stuff and the discussion rolled on from there.
I haven't got a clue in Hades what comment he is/was referring to. I don't know what the man was talking about.

OK, moving on. (Just wanted to clarify that). :)

8216.3.2008 14:21
vinny13
Inactive

Originally posted by LOCOENG:
All the people I see complaining about not seeing enough mods around are the same ones I don't see offensive reports coming in from...if something needs done, use the button please.
I'm not being offended, its just most posts are rather annoying like SONY IS THERE TO KILL YOU! and 360 IS A USELESS EASY-BAKE!

Ok well the Easy-Bake one was mine but that's something else at another time lol

Oh and then there's DRM this and DRM that... I don't think there is one thread that doesn't mention DRM... Like there will be a PS3 thread which eventually gets into Sony CDs and DRM crap... Is there nothing else to talk about?
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8316.3.2008 18:01

Originally posted by PantherM:
This sucks....
I'm trying to buy a new car....and I don't want to spend money on new Blu-Rays right now.

But...I am Legend is on sale (Amazon)...so is Black Hawk Down (Amazon)....Now 300 is BOGO at Target?

I'm glad the price cuts are happening across multiple studios. I think people can live with $20 Blu-Ray's right now....especially in this economy.
*********************************************************************

$15 should be the average store price for a Blu Ray and there should be older movies available for $10, like with HD-DVD's.

This $20+ a disk is just too much no matter the economy.



nopcbs

8416.3.2008 19:18

Quote:
Originally posted by PantherM:
This sucks....
I'm trying to buy a new car....and I don't want to spend money on new Blu-Rays right now.

But...I am Legend is on sale (Amazon)...so is Black Hawk Down (Amazon)....Now 300 is BOGO at Target?

I'm glad the price cuts are happening across multiple studios. I think people can live with $20 Blu-Ray's right now....especially in this economy.
*********************************************************************

$15 should be the average store price for a Blu Ray and there should be older movies available for $10, like with HD-DVD's.

This $20+ a disk is just too much no matter the economy.

You got to give it time this is new tech.Also do some bargain shopping like i am i was paying those prices but now I'm using Amazon & getting great deals.I just got I Am Legend on Blu-Ray for 18.95 plus shipping 21 & change.BestBuy price is 27.99 online 29.99 in store.HD-DVD price point is low because its a dead format.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?...cp=1&id=1835768

8516.3.2008 20:45

Quote:
Originally posted by PantherM:
This sucks....
I'm trying to buy a new car....and I don't want to spend money on new Blu-Rays right now.

But...I am Legend is on sale (Amazon)...so is Black Hawk Down (Amazon)....Now 300 is BOGO at Target?

I'm glad the price cuts are happening across multiple studios. I think people can live with $20 Blu-Ray's right now....especially in this economy.
*********************************************************************

$15 should be the average store price for a Blu Ray and there should be older movies available for $10, like with HD-DVD's.

This $20+ a disk is just too much no matter the economy.
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I would love for them to be that cheap...but come on...the format war just ended a month ago. It will take years for the prices to get that low on a consistant basis. Remember how much CD's were when they first came out? DVD's? Laser Discs?

8618.3.2008 11:27
Icanbe
Inactive

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8718.3.2008 11:46

Originally posted by juankerr:
Originally posted by PantherM:
I am Legend (With alternate Ending)
Blu-Ray
$18.95

Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...KX0DER&v=glance

I guess that would be a price cut on a new movie.....right?
It's not a Fox title but $18.95 for a BluRay new release is simply too good to pass up.

I pre-ordered this together with Bonnie and Clyde and Digital Video Essentials.

Thanks for the heads up.
I may be wrong but I think that's the first time that a new release BluRay is priced cheaper than the 2-disc DVD.

8820.3.2008 2:23
varnull
Inactive

Probably because after 100,000,000 downloads via p2p for the dvd at the time of the cinema release they can only see the HD version as being viable if it is priced fairly.. They have already lost the dvd sales to us pirates... Arrrrrrrrrrr
:lol:

8920.3.2008 2:31

Originally posted by varnull:
Probably because after 100,000,000 downloads via p2p for the dvd at the time of the cinema release they can only see the HD version as being viable if it is priced fairly.. They have already lost the dvd sales to us pirates... Arrrrrrrrrrr
:lol:
Varnull, they are also available in HD on p2p (sourced from Blu-ray/HD-DVD) as soon as they hit the shelves too. Well... Before they hit the shelves in my case as I am in Australia... Hehe.

You can d'load recompressed 720p versions (usually about 4.35GB), recompressed 1080p versions (usually about 8GB) or the untouched 1080p versions ripped as they are from the disc (20GB+).
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PS3 compatible video creation thread... mkv2vob, tsMuxeR etc.: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/621809
The complete HD (Blu-ray/HD-DVD) back-up thread.: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/639346

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