Sony: PlayStation 4 games already in development

I think is too soon, all game systems that is out is just "NOW" in their prime.

I personally think Sony should just learn from their mistakes and stop releasing consoles and stick to making home entertainment and media centres which is what they're good at. I'm not a fanboy and i don't intend on starting a flame war here, but we all know that PSP was a big flop compared to the hype it was getting and the PS3 doesn't really have anything going for it either. There's only a hand full of Sony exclusive titles available and everything else is multi platform.

The downfall was always the price of the unit. For the mainstream titles majority of people are going to buy the cheaper console. The only people I know of that have a PS3 are gadget geeks who like to have EVERYTHING (unfortunatly that's me) and hardcore Sony fans and the occasional person who wanted a blu-ray player. lol

Sony had their glory days when PS1 & PS2 ruled the consoles of those generations. So I think they should leave the console and game market to people who know what they're doing.

I am one to think, Sony has learned from some of their business mis-cues. They tried to make the PS3 multidimensional media unit, which by the price in the beginning, lost a lot of people. Sony thought it was going to take off and they were wrong.

I am willing to bet PS4 is going to be a more gamer console, much like the PS2, and yes I know PS2 was slated to be a multimedia unit as well.

To date, I do not own either a 360 or ps3, they just do not get me all that excited. Game titles are nice, but not enough to make me want to buy one.

Wow so soon. I can even imagine another console even two years from now. I think that the graphics that we have today are mroe then good enough to last us for atleast four more years but hey that the way the console revolution has always been.

how much better can the graphics on the next generation machines get? if it is already taking 18 months plus now how much longer will it take on the new machines and what would it cost to produce.i just cant see a great leap just yet without the price of gaming going through the roof or producers not taking any risks and making just generic games that they know will sell well

nah 2012 seems about right for a new console after all the Graphics unit especially in the PS3 is far outdated.

in reality all they would have to do is swap out the GPU for something more powerful, as the cell processor can pull its weight 15-20 years from now. of coarse they'll be stupid and go for something more mundane like ARM or another PPC.

Originally posted by Link2205:

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I personally think Sony should just learn from their mistakes and stop releasing consoles and stick to making home entertainment and media centres which is what they're good at. I'm not a fanboy and i don't intend on starting a flame war here, but we all know that PSP was a big flop compared to the hype it was getting and the PS3 doesn't really have anything going for it either. There's only a hand full of Sony exclusive titles available and everything else is multi platform.

The downfall was always the price of the unit. For the mainstream titles majority of people are going to buy the cheaper console. The only people I know of that have a PS3 are gadget geeks who like to have EVERYTHING (unfortunatly that's me) and hardcore Sony fans and the occasional person who wanted a blu-ray player. lol

Sony had their glory days when PS1 & PS2 ruled the consoles of those generations. So I think they should leave the console and game market to people who know what they're doing.

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ahhhh I am a sony fan... but i can't disagree with what you've said there, apart from the part where you said they should stop making altogether! i think they should continue! =D PS3/PSP (and PSPGo, dopnt get me started on that thing..) have failed to create the audience intended... only die-hard playstation fans would by it (sadly, myself). PS4 does open a window of new opportunity, and I am pleased to see them carrying on making despite their large blow in the seventh gen.

Originally posted by DXR88:

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nah 2012 seems about right for a new console after all the Graphics unit especially in the PS3 is far outdated.

in reality all they would have to do is swap out the GPU for something more powerful, as the cell processor can pull its weight 15-20 years from now. of coarse they'll be stupid and go for something more mundane like ARM or another PPC.

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You have no idea what you're talking about. They're gonna go with MIPS again, cause that went really well with them the last time...

Anyways, the timing according to what it's used to is right, but it feels way too soon. Maybe 2013-14?

Originally posted by rvinkebob:

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Originally posted by DXR88:

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nah 2012 seems about right for a new console after all the Graphics unit especially in the PS3 is far outdated.

in reality all they would have to do is swap out the GPU for something more powerful, as the cell processor can pull its weight 15-20 years from now. of coarse they'll be stupid and go for something more mundane like ARM or another PPC.

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You have no idea what you're talking about. They're gonna go with MIPS again, cause that went really well with them the last time...

Anyways, the timing according to what it's used to is right, but it feels way too soon. Maybe 2013-14?

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2012 really is about right...6 years is a very long time when it comes to hardware, and if Sony does not keep ahead of themselves, Microsoft will bring out the XboX720 before they get the chance...it needs a new GPU, and (at least) an updated version of the cell that allows for higher speeds due to the smaller micron processes they currently use. It also needs some ram, and the USB ports need to be updated. It also needs a lot of other things, like MKV support, ext4 support, etc...but knowing sony, it won't get them...ever.

So they will release a new console, because the current one can't do 3D at 1080p.
That wouldn't increase game development cost though. Also, it would be reasonable to expect the PS4 to be fully compatible with PS3, because core tecnology won't change (similar cell procesor and a ATI graphics card).

Originally posted by Link2205:

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Sony had their glory days when PS1 & PS2 ruled the consoles of those generations. So I think they should leave the console and game market to people who know what they're doing.

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that paragraph just shows how contradictory your point is.

I cant wait to see what's next for all companies myself. who comes out on tops is very fluid, the success of the wii proves this recently, i think all can flip on its head with the next hardware releases as it has done before

Originally posted by patrick_:

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So they will release a new console, because the current one can't do 3D at 1080p.
That wouldn't increase game development cost though. Also, it would be reasonable to expect the PS4 to be fully compatible with PS3, because core tecnology won't change (similar cell procesor and a ATI graphics card).

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3D? Really? I think we are a long way from a industry standard that won't require you to buy expensive glasses and a special TV..I am all for people supporting it so they eventually do get a good working standard out there but until then I'm not jumping on the bloody stump of technology (laying out big money for pre standard and eventually abandoned standards...). I hope Microsoft and Sony avoid 3d until it is worth doing...

I agree they really need to pour more money into putting out worthwile games..Not much out for any of the consoles worth playing. Frankly they have me looking back to my PC for gaming lately..

Also as the consoles age shouldn't they be cheaper to make? I know the PS3 has come down quite a bit over the years but isn't $200 for a basic system, 1 controller and no game still a bit much???

I am by no means a fanboy of any system. We got a Wii since we loved the Gamecube games and wanted to keep playing them. (curses to Nintendo for ceasing production of the Gamecube controllers, making the forward compatibility useless after the controller break). The Wii has been alot of fun (I have younger children). But we got a PS3 for Christmas (for me) and now the Wii gets used only about 10% of the time.

The PS3 is quite a good system. And to me feels new. It may be 4 years old, but to many it will be new. It really is surprisingly a good system. I'm dismayed that it has been hacked since that can be the death knoll of a system. Who wants to make quality games that will go unpaid for.

I guess if it takes the masses 4+ years to start accepting a system, you ought to start early with the next system.

Now, nintendo really needs to update. The Wii really is just a glorified Gamecube.

So, when it´s going down to $99 i´m buying one when it´s there.

Originally posted by patrick_:

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So they will release a new console, because the current one can't do 3D at 1080p.
That wouldn't increase game development cost though. Also, it would be reasonable to expect the PS4 to be fully compatible with PS3, because core tecnology won't change (similar cell procesor and a ATI graphics card).

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@patrick Yes, I think your on the ball here -- tho pretty sure it's nVidia in the PS3 and ATI in the 360 -- Sony's best tactic this time would be to make it fully backwards compatible for the PS3.

I think is going to be overprice again like ps3.

Everything is overpriced Voyager :)

I welcome the changes, the gaming industry is constantly changing, let it be 3D or something else, the more choices for the gamers, the better it is, no? Besides, you don't have to buy anything, it's a free world after all :)

Did Sony make some mistakes when it comes to the PS3? Yes. Did it hurt them initially? Yes. That being said, the PS3 as of June 2010 has sold only 3 million less units than the 360 which came out a full year earlier. The PS3 had a larger HD, Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi internet connection, and wireless controllers. When my buddy and I went out to buy the 360 to play Halo 2 on, we were blown away on how much MORE it cost us to buy all the extras to make it similar to the PS3. Sony is finally getting their marketing right. It DOES do everything. Now the games coming out are absolutely amazing, i.e. Little Big Planet 2. I do think that 6 years is too early AND too late for a PS4. Too early because the PS3 is still highly capable and too late because how fast hardware changes. I would only consider getting a PS4 if the price wasn't too high.

Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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Everything is overpriced Voyager :)

I welcome the changes, the gaming industry is constantly changing, let it be 3D or something else, the more choices for the gamers, the better it is, no? Besides, you don't have to buy anything, it's a free world after all :)

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ah but gimmicks are often copied,3d wont be any difference. then you must realize the potential downfall to the gimmick is that not everyone brains can process the extra information myself included. i can only view 3D if it being powered by a VR headset, even that makes my head feel like it'll explode.

its like listening to a surround sound system with the speaker polarity swapped while playing it on a CRT with 60Hz. man that stuff can cause brain damage, no joke.

Originally posted by alexeemo:

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Did Sony make some mistakes when it comes to the PS3? Yes. Did it hurt them initially? Yes. That being said, the PS3 as of June 2010 has sold only 3 million less units than the 360 which came out a full year earlier. The PS3 had a larger HD, Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi internet connection, and wireless controllers. When my buddy and I went out to buy the 360 to play Halo 2 on, we were blown away on how much MORE it cost us to buy all the extras to make it similar to the PS3. Sony is finally getting their marketing right. It DOES do everything. Now the games coming out are absolutely amazing, i.e. Little Big Planet 2. I do think that 6 years is too early AND too late for a PS4. Too early because the PS3 is still highly capable and too late because how fast hardware changes. I would only consider getting a PS4 if the price wasn't too high.

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Why would you buy a 360 to play a 6 year old game? Your post shows nothing but blatant fanboyism. How do you know little big planet 2 is amazing? It's not out yet. The first looked amazing too, and look how bad it was. The new 360 has built in wifi, a bigger hard drive than the bottom level PS3, and the 360 has better wireless controllers.

I mean come on.

You could have at least said you can use your own hard drive in the PS3. You could have said online play was free.

Sony is following the ways of Apple....how sad. Before you know it, there will be a PS5.

Originally posted by alexeemo:

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To be fair, I really do love the 360 for playing some of it's exclusives. I even had one for this summer when my brother-in-law lived with me for a while while going through his divorce. I absolutely love Halo online and XBOX Live is better than PSN(it should be considering you pay for it). I only went off on andmill11 cause he clearly didn't read what I said.

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it doesn't matter the end result will always be the same old Barking about who or whats better. it usually ends up with threads that could have seen an intellectual conversation on Sony: PlayStation 4 games already in development being closed.

with that being said. i'm sure its quite normal for development kits to be handed out years before a new console is released. to allow time for practice at the new Game development mechanics. i don't think Sony is going to stick with the cell Processor, i think they'll go with something more familiar. which is a waste, considering all those dev teams that actually had to learn to program for cell.

Originally posted by andmill11:

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How do you know little big planet 2 is amazing? It's not out yet. The first looked amazing too, and look how bad it was.

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Your "point" is opinion based just as much as alexeemo's was. Difference is alexeemo's point/opinion is supported by LBP 1 winning numerous awards and accolades plus some Game of the Year awards. And from all accounts in the gaming media LBP 2 with PS Move is looking to be even better, especially because it is backwards compatible with LBP 1 levels.

Originally posted by andmill11:

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The new 360 has built in wifi

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Something 99% of PS3's have had for a while (except for one model) compared to the 360 which is the other way around.

Originally posted by andmill11:

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a bigger hard drive than the bottom level PS3

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Something ALL PS3's have that are also cheaper to upgrade if needed whereas all 360's don't have HDD's.

Originally posted by andmill11:

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and the 360 has better wireless controllers

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That again is opinion based on 2 accounts. Better meaning feel or better meaning wireless ability. I believe the 360's d-pad is down right terrible along with the triggers for games like fighters. PLUS they're standard wireless not BT (which is actually better), don't come rechargable batteries out the box and the battery pack on the bottom can be quite uncomfortable as well. But that is my own opinion mixed with some known fact.

Originally posted by andmill11:

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You could have said online play was free

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This is true but I looked at his post as that was known/expected as common knowledge.

Originally posted by alexeemo:

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.wishing you didn't waste your money on a system that is only great for 1 game i.e. Halo. I rest my case. The end. Good night.

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I don't even own halo? It's not a very good game. Call of duty has gone downhill as well.

I only play good games.

Originally posted by andmill11:

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Originally posted by alexeemo:

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Did Sony make some mistakes when it comes to the PS3? Yes. Did it hurt them initially? Yes. That being said, the PS3 as of June 2010 has sold only 3 million less units than the 360 which came out a full year earlier. The PS3 had a larger HD, Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi internet connection, and wireless controllers. When my buddy and I went out to buy the 360 to play Halo 2 on, we were blown away on how much MORE it cost us to buy all the extras to make it similar to the PS3. Sony is finally getting their marketing right. It DOES do everything. Now the games coming out are absolutely amazing, i.e. Little Big Planet 2. I do think that 6 years is too early AND too late for a PS4. Too early because the PS3 is still highly capable and too late because how fast hardware changes. I would only consider getting a PS4 if the price wasn't too high.

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Why would you buy a 360 to play a 6 year old game? Your post shows nothing but blatant fanboyism. How do you know little big planet 2 is amazing? It's not out yet. The first looked amazing too, and look how bad it was. The new 360 has built in wifi, a bigger hard drive than the bottom level PS3, and the 360 has better wireless controllers.

I mean come on.

You could have at least said you can use your own hard drive in the PS3. You could have said online play was free.

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You must not have read the article. If they release a PS4 by 2012, then the PS3 will only be 6 years old by then. Talk about a fanboy! LBP1 has changed gaming forever. Name one 360 game or any other game that exists that has over 2 million community levels. Oh, that's right, you can't! Just because you didn't like it(which you probably never played it seeing that you are the actual 360 fanboy)that doesn't mean it wasn't great. I've seen over a dozen clips of game play for LBP2 and it will certainly be the biggest game release of 2010. But let's back up my claim that you are the fanboy. Let's see, I quote,"The new 360 has built in wifi, a bigger hard drive than the bottom level PS3, and the 360 has better wireless controllers." Your fanboy argument has all the textbook markers. How long did it take MS to finally build wi-fi into their console. When we bought our external wi-fi for my friends 360, it was a pain in the arse to fit on the back. Second, I bought an original 60gb PS3 with full backwards campatibility, I own 15 games, and I still have over 34gb of space left. Last but not least. your lame opinion that 360 wireless controllers are better. Maybe they are, I don't think they are, but that is clearly only a matter of shear opinion and NOT a fact. Fanboy evidence for the 360 has been presented and you have been found guilty and left wanting....wishing you didn't waste your money on a system that is only great for 1 game i.e. Halo. I rest my case. The end. Good night.

To be fair, I really do love the 360 for playing some of it's exclusives. I even had one for this summer when my brother-in-law lived with me for a while while going through his divorce. I absolutely love Halo online and XBOX Live is better than PSN(it should be considering you pay for it). I only went off on andmill11 cause he clearly didn't read what I said.

LITTLE BIG PLANET 1 info care of Wikipedia
Reception
Aggregate scores
Aggregator Score
GameRankings 94% (based on 67 reviews)
Metacritic 95% (based on 84 reviews)
Review scores
Publication Score
1UP.com A+
Edge 10/10
Eurogamer 9/10
Famitsu 38/40
Game Informer 9.5/10
GamePro 5/5
GameSpot 9/10
GameTrailers 9.4/10
Official PlayStation Magazine (UK) 10/10
X-Play 5/5
IGN (UK) 9.7/10
IGN (US) 9.5/10
IGN (Aus) 9.2/10
Giant Bomb 5/5
Awards
Entity Award
Edge Best Game (2008)
Best Innovation (2008)
Best Visual Design (2008)
Eurogamer Best Game (2008)
GamePro Game of the Year (2008)
GameTrailers Most Innovative Game (2008)
IGN Best New IP (2008)
Most Innovative Design (2008)
Spike Best PS3 Game (2008)
AIAS Overall Game of the Year (2008)
Outstanding Achievement in Art Direction (2008)
Outstanding Achievement in Visual Engineering (2008)
Outstanding Innovation in Gaming (2008)
BAFTA Award for Artistic Achievement (2009)
Game Developers Choice Awards Best New Debut (2009)
Best Game Design (2009)
Best Technology Award (2009)
Innovation Award (2009)

Little Big Planet 2 WILL rock!

Did you really just triple post?

Lol.

Originally posted by Oner:

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Originally posted by andmill11:

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How do you know little big planet 2 is amazing? It's not out yet. The first looked amazing too, and look how bad it was.

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Your "point" is opinion based just as much as alexeemo's was. Difference is alexeemo's point/opinion is supported by LBP 1 winning numerous awards and accolades plus some Game of the Year awards. And from all accounts in the gaming media LBP 2 with PS Move is looking to be even better, especially because it is backwards compatible with LBP 1 levels.

Originally posted by andmill11:

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The new 360 has built in wifi

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Something 99% of PS3's have had for a while (except for one model) compared to the 360 which is the other way around.

Originally posted by andmill11:

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a bigger hard drive than the bottom level PS3

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Something ALL PS3's have that are also cheaper to upgrade if needed whereas all 360's don't have HDD's.

Originally posted by andmill11:

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and the 360 has better wireless controllers

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That again is opinion based on 2 accounts. Better meaning feel or better meaning wireless ability. I believe the 360's d-pad is down right terrible along with the triggers for games like fighters. PLUS they're standard wireless not BT (which is actually better), don't come rechargable batteries out the box and the battery pack on the bottom can be quite uncomfortable as well. But that is my own opinion mixed with some known fact.

Originally posted by andmill11:

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You could have said online play was free

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This is true but I looked at his post as that was known/expected as common knowledge.

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Lol did I strike a nerve there mr. moderator?

and XD at the triple post.

Little Big Planet sucks. Only good game for the PS3 is katamari.

Hold on I have another one to match his triple

I'm not sure why they would get started on PS4 games when the PS3 only has about 2 games worth playing.

Uncharted/Uncharted 2

Then there is katamari <3

But that's in a league of its own.

Originally posted by andmill11:

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Hold on I have another one to match his triple

I'm not sure why they would get started on PS4 games when the PS3 only has about 2 games worth playing.

Uncharted/Uncharted 2

Then there is katamari <3

But that's in a league of its own.

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Not trying to get into any of this fanboyism, but to say that "God of War III" is not "worth playing" is just plain offensive lol.

Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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Originally posted by andmill11:

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Hold on I have another one to match his triple

I'm not sure why they would get started on PS4 games when the PS3 only has about 2 games worth playing.

Uncharted/Uncharted 2

Then there is katamari <3

But that's in a league of its own.

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Not trying to get into any of this fanboyism, but to say that "God of War III" is not "worth playing" is just plain offensive lol.

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I agree. I borrowed my brother-in-law's GOW 1&2 collector's edition and GOW 3. They were so good, my wife played them!

Originally posted by andmill11:

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Lol did I strike a nerve there mr. moderator?

and XD at the triple post.

Little Big Planet sucks. Only good game for the PS3 is katamari.

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Triple post issue is server side (seems to have been from editing/spelling corrections etc), not user error side.

No you didn't strike a nerve, just clarifying some of your misinformation for others who would like proper facts over opinion.

Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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Not trying to get into any of this fanboyism, but to say that "God of War III" is not "worth playing" is just plain offensive lol.

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MGS4, GT5P, Resistance 1/2, Flower, Killzone 2, MAG, Mod Nation Racers, Heavy Rain just to name a few (available now) are also great games not to mention what is coming soon...

Humph, since this thread has been allowed to take this direction I think it's fair if a bit of balance is bought into these equations.

It's my opinion that regardless of all the awards that LBP has won it's a big "meh" from me as well. I thought it had a lot of promise too but the gameplay just let it down. All the honest critics I read said the same thing too. Let's hope that it's sequel improves on that.

Inbuilt wireless may be new for the X360 but at least it's N wireless. I use N at home and I can tell you from personal experience it craps on G and not just by a bit, from a great height. I can be a couple of rooms away and can get bittorrent DLs at over 600kBs as opposed to 50 odd with G. This has to be significant for online gaming regardless whether it's new.

What's said about the HDD situation is fair. It's worthwhile remembering, however, that it will probably be pretty easy to hack a replacement HDD for use in a new X360, as it is now for anyone canny enough to do so. And you don't get banned for it.

It's frankly stupid to say Halo is the only decent exclusive game on X360 to play... it's never been my favourite anyway. I will say that the PS3 has some great exclusives too. However, many cross platform games play better on the X360, Bayonetta for example really suffers on the PS3 (see youTube), but I'm sure the reverse is true for other X-platform games. So it's six of one, half a dozen of the other in my book

I always find the arguments about the relative merits on the controllers amusing especially the stuff about charging. Certainly it's true that the Dpad on the X360's is crap, the asymmetry can be off-putting initially but it's really robust and solid and will last for years. The triggers (and the rest) are excellent regardless of what others may say and the wireless has never let me down. I talking about heavy fast hardcore arcade style gaming (like Bayonetta). I can't agree BT is better (and I use both)... and I'm not saying it's worse. On the charging front any idiot knows enough to go out and buy a cheap AA NiMH fast-charge pack for 24/7 gaming... and it can be used for other products. It's battery pack has never impeded my gaming pleasure, I never notice it. I'll end this one by saying I'm a huge fanboy of Xpadder (on PC). On that site's forum no-one disses anybody else on their choice of controller, it's personal, however the X360's is far the most popular.

I certainly hope the PS4 will be awesome... and backward compatible. With true multi-core and a better GPU. Still, my PC's new GFX card cost more than a PS3 and X360 combined (well a few months ago) coz I want high anti-aliased 1080p gaming NOW!

alexeemo, edit your sig to conform to forum specs ASAP. yours is 67,561 bytes & 550x125 pixels.
2. An image-only signature should be less than 50kb in size, and be at most 500 pixels wide and 200 pixels tall.

Sony should be the only company making Multi-capable Gaming systems. Sony knows what they are doing. sure they make a few mistakes here and there. Microsoft and Nintendo aren't perfect either.

Sony Quit Making video Game Systems I'll quit Gaming...Unless by some miracle Sega starts a new. from Nintendo gamer to Sega to Sony Fan. I'll die with Sony.

Originally posted by Hyasuma:

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I think is too soon, all game systems that is out is just "NOW" in their prime.

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no way! this is a prime time, to be honest they could release the playstation 4, almost same specs as the ps3 with a better sdk for the developers and do amazing! the quality of games would increase 10 fold, and the number of games would just explode... i have been following the playstation 4 at http://sonyps4.com for awhile now and think that this could really be something great based on how they go with it. just making the development kit for the games easier to use would do wonders for the playstation console as a whole, if there was one complaint for the ps3 it is that the sdk is too difficult to utilize.

Originally posted by juventini:

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Sony is following the ways of Apple....how sad. Before you know it, there will be a PS5.

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ur just saying that sony is bad cause they are advancing? IF PS4 does come out THATS GOOD,not 4 u cause ur just mad cause u bought a ps3 and now a ps4 is starting rumors and u get mad cause now u already have a ps3 and u CANT AFFORD A PS4

You are all a bunch of edited by ddp. To have such a strong opinion about what systems or companies are better is totally edited by ddp.