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PSJailBreak claims to run PS3 game backups

Written by Matti Vähäkainu (Google+) @ 19 Aug 2010 10:14 User comments (88)

PSJailBreak claims to run PS3 game backups PlayStation 3 has given modders and hackers a run for their money. For nearly fours years hackers have tried to create a working mod that would bypass the PS3 software protection and run homebrew applications and backups. However, there has been no real breakthroughs, until now, if you believe what PS3News has to say.
According to the site, a product called PSJailBreak will allow owners of any version of PS3 to run backups of PS3 games as well as homebrew applications. The $170 mod is a piece of software stored in a USB drive. By inserting the thumb drive to your PS3 you'll be able to install and run the launcher application in seconds without permanently modifying the console or its software.

The PSJailBreak application also includes a backup tool which allows users to backup their game discs to the PS3 hard drive. Movies whether DVD or Blu-ray, or previous generation PlayStation games aren't supported by the tool. The backup manager can also be downloaded for free.

At OzModChips.com the Stock Status says they'll be shipping preorders by the end of the month.

There are couple of YouTube videos (below) and Twitter updates that say it is working. Hopefully we can confirm this in the coming days. However, for now you should probably take it with a grain of salt.



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88 user comments

119.8.2010 10:39

I'll be amazed if this is real. at 170$ though someone better get it out for free aha

219.8.2010 10:40

It'll be available for DL soon enough. It was already modified to allow Dev consoles to boot games so the code/files are out there being worked on.


319.8.2010 10:57

The other question is how this will affect online play.

419.8.2010 11:06

Good luck ordering it for some time either way, the site is slammed so hard it barely freaking loads

519.8.2010 11:18

Just wait for the code/files to hit the net so you can make your own, like the PSP JigKick did (hopefully).

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619.8.2010 11:36

Pretty sure IF this is real it will out on usenet, or on the torrent sites by the end of the week....you make an app to play pirated games the first thing thats going to happen is that app is going to get pirated...

719.8.2010 11:43

Oh no doubt when it hits retail on the 27th, someone is going to exploit it to dl. In the mean time I say this.

I think what makes this hack the most amusing tho; F U SONY. You got rid of OtherOS because you feared people would do this through the Linux Exploit. This hack is done WITHOUT IT!! HAHAHA

Now give me back my OtherOS feature.

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819.8.2010 11:48

WOOT! The second it's out free I'll buy a PS3!

I expect they will copy Microsoft's ban hammer right away. Though I am sure the next patch will disable anything it can to shut this down. Like anything else of this nature patch with extreme caution!!!

I hope it's just the ban hammer though as I could care less if I ever play on-line.

919.8.2010 12:46

I would be curious to know what they could disable without losing the functionality of playing retail games which would be illegal. If they actually disabled the USB ports, they would lose that battle quickly and be forced to re-enable them as the PS3 controllers use said ports to charge; sure it can work on any USB port device, but what if the PS3 was the only thing you owned.

They would still be taking away a hardware functionality. Software wise, again they can't attack the USB stick directly, they can try to block where the software gets used, but if the stick doesn't require installation to the PS3, again where are you gonna block it? They can't write software to that USB key to tell it to stop, so again nothing they can do that way.

Even still, Sony will not act immediately on this until they see mass production; I can then see them do what Nintendo does with the R4 series chip on the DS, and try to shut it down, but then once the keys are produced, they will always find another outlet to be sold from. They can sue, and this is Sony, they will eventually, but again once the product is out, damage is done.

1019.8.2010 14:13

Lets say you actually need this USB Dongle for it to work because of some embedded flashable hardware built into it (thus making all USB's thumbdrives incompatible), then the work around to keep it "legal" would be to sell the Dongle without the flash and have the customer just DL the files and flash it themselves. Done. Legal. Because the Dongle is empty...either way I can wait a little bit longer until a free double hacked version hits the net.

As far Sony "removing" USB functionality ~ impossible. They need it for syncing controllers, PS Eye and for the upcoming PS Move. And if this is anything like the PSP Jig Kick/Pandora battery then it is highly doubtful it can be patched to go away easily.

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1119.8.2010 14:30

At this point, I've got one thing to say:

YEA F***ING RIGHT.

I'll eat my words if and when I physically see it.



1219.8.2010 14:31

Originally posted by rvinkebob:
At this point, I've got one thing to say:

YEA F***ING RIGHT.

I'll eat my words if and when I physically see it.
This is confirmed by trusted members in the scene (RichDevX, CJPC, xorloser, Mathieulh etc). Not just random no namers.
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1319.8.2010 14:34

i think everyone is forgetting the makers of the game genie set the outcome of this with nintendo in court. no hardware/software changes are made to the system once the usb device is removed.it would come down to the files left/coppied to the hard drive that will be the focus of this device being banned.since the fat ps3 has a hard drive and was made to use a linux os it would be a hard battle for sony to try to stop 3rd parties from storing files on the system

1419.8.2010 14:41

Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by rvinkebob:
At this point, I've got one thing to say:

YEA F***ING RIGHT.

I'll eat my words if and when I physically see it.
This is confirmed by trusted members in the scene (RichDevX, CJPC, xorloser, Mathieulh etc). Not just random no namers.
Though with anything of this nature, I'm skeptical until I see it and use it. I got excited over nothing when SAK for OtherOS was announced a long while ago, and you probably understand that feeling too. Then again, it's retailing for $170, so I won't even use it until it's cracked for use on any stick.


1519.8.2010 14:45

Originally posted by rvinkebob:
Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by rvinkebob:
At this point, I've got one thing to say:

YEA F***ING RIGHT.

I'll eat my words if and when I physically see it.
This is confirmed by trusted members in the scene (RichDevX, CJPC, xorloser, Mathieulh etc). Not just random no namers.
Though with anything of this nature, I'm skeptical until I see it and use it. I got excited over nothing when SAK for OtherOS was announced a long while ago, and you probably understand that feeling too. Then again, it's retailing for $170, so I won't even use it until it's cracked for use on any stick.
I agree 100% though as it stands even right now I am still just slightly skeptical....which is why I am going to wait until a free version releases to quote RichDevX ~ "I hope nobody gave them money" & because of this as well "a FREE PS3 scene solution is bound to surface"
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1619.8.2010 15:15

Damn I could understand if they ask for donations but $170 is just crazy.

1719.8.2010 15:34

$170? lmao...

1819.8.2010 16:06

a week after this comes out Sony will make you update to FW 3.42 and will kill this entire thing. Sounds like a waste to me.

1919.8.2010 16:14

Originally posted by jookycola:
a week after this comes out Sony will make you update to FW 3.42 and will kill this entire thing. Sounds like a waste to me.
The Dongle disables having to update, plus as I said, if it is anything like the PSP Pandora then there is not much Sony can do just like the PSP.

2019.8.2010 16:29

Ok so this runs off a a flash drive so will it run copied games, games off the hard drive and will the games have to be cracked?

2119.8.2010 16:34

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Ok so this runs off a a flash drive so will it run copied games, games off the hard drive and will the games have to be cracked?
All info I have come up with is you put in an original game, rip it to either the internal HDD or an external HDD and simply play them using the Backup Manager. Still don't know a few things yet ~

1) Will a current net DL work or will they be incompatible
2) Does booting off BD-R's work or will they be incompatible
3) Will the external HDD have to be formatted in a special format and will/can it be seen when hooked to a PC
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2219.8.2010 16:35

Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Ok so this runs off a a flash drive so will it run copied games, games off the hard drive and will the games have to be cracked?
All info I have come up with is you put in an original game, rip it to either the internal HDD or an external HDD and simply play them using the Backup Manager. Still don't know a few things yet ~

1) Will a current net DL work or will they be incompatible
2) Does booting off BD-R's work or not
3) Will the external HDD have to be formatted in a special format and will/can it be seen when hooked to a PC
Nice!

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2319.8.2010 17:03

Originally posted by Oner:
3) Will the external HDD have to be formatted in a special format and will/can it be seen when hooked to a PC
The page to order the flash drive states that the external drive is formatted as FAT32. That would be universally compatible with any OS.

Quote:
The little tiny donlge called PS Jailbreak allows you to dump all of your original PS3 games onto a FAT32 harddrive, and play the game directly from there.

2419.8.2010 17:46

So... either only games thats under 4gb can be stored to the external drive or the game is saved as files and not as 1 big image file.

2519.8.2010 17:47

Originally posted by rvinkebob:
Originally posted by Oner:
3) Will the external HDD have to be formatted in a special format and will/can it be seen when hooked to a PC
The page to order the flash drive states that the external drive is formatted as FAT32. That would be universally compatible with any OS.

Quote:
The little tiny donlge called PS Jailbreak allows you to dump all of your original PS3 games onto a FAT32 harddrive, and play the game directly from there.

Yep and just found out they are working on NTFS as well.


Originally posted by SDF_GR:
So... either only games thats under 4gb can be stored to the external drive or the game is saved as files and not as 1 big image file.
I was wondering about that as well but they say it is compatible with ALL games....
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2619.8.2010 17:53

Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by rvinkebob:
Originally posted by Oner:
3) Will the external HDD have to be formatted in a special format and will/can it be seen when hooked to a PC
The page to order the flash drive states that the external drive is formatted as FAT32. That would be universally compatible with any OS.

Quote:
The little tiny donlge called PS Jailbreak allows you to dump all of your original PS3 games onto a FAT32 harddrive, and play the game directly from there.

Yep and just found out they are working on NTFS as well.


Originally posted by SDF_GR:
So... either only games thats under 4gb can be stored to the external drive or the game is saved as files and not as 1 big image file.
I was wondering about that as well but they say it is compatible with ALL games....
I bet some games will have to be patched but thats no real trouble.

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2719.8.2010 18:27

I've really been reading into this so I think I understand what's going on and I think some of you are a bit wrong with your understanding of this, of course I could be wrong too but whatever.

First off, the price isn't $170. Well, it is, but it isn't the $170 you'd be thinking. The price is 170 Australian Dollars at OzModChips which equals about $145-$150 depending how good a day the economy is having. It's still very expensive but at least the Australian Dollar is worth less than the US Dollar and isn't worth more than the US Dollar...

Second off, my understanding is this basically uses a jigkick type thing where it makes the system believe it's running official Sony code (whether it be through hardware or software) and reboots the system as a debug unit. I've read that debug units have had the capability of playing games off the HDD for a while so this isn't a new sort of exploit in the ways of playing backups. What makes this different from the PSP was the battery did have some sort of connection to the CFW hacks and Sony was able to "patch" the exploit by making batteries differently. With this I'm not so sure, since I've read that USB by design runs whatever's on the stick without requiring hardware access/authentication. This hurts Sony even more because it's USB in that it's very easy to write and rewrite what's on the stick to adapt to a possible firmware fix and doesn't require proprietary dongles and whatnot.

The question is whether the dongle has some sort of special chip in there that once inserted the PS3 immediately recognizes it and runs it due to the nature of USB. Or it could be software doing the same thing. Either way it looks like a simple patch could render this useless since Sony could update a code type thing once updating the firmware like updating an Android device with an OTA update can disable root. Either way it sounds like nothing an update can't fix and nothing that would be very difficult to replicate. Unless this is an inside thing where someone who knows the codes gave out the info, Sony may very well be able to continue changing the code and requiring a new code from updated firmware'd systems. Of course I'm not a developer nor do I know much at all about hacking and whatnot and I could be COMPLETELY off in my understanding and knowledge of this.

I'd just wait until the devs give an in depth know-how about this thing and what is actually going on. Hopefully a dev can get one of these quickly and make sure this isn't anything hardware related before people spend $150+ on a simple USB stick. What this apparently does do too is homebrew/unsigned apps so could someone develop a CFW easier using this? Is this the key to CFWs and firmware update workarounds? Even if this does get patched quickly, it is a HUGE step for the PS3 scene and general and it may very well open some doors to new possibilities. Thankfully the system is far from dead and we haven't figured this out in the system's twilight years.

2819.8.2010 18:46

The $170 has been shown to be 1 of 2 things the AUS $ and the fact the store selling them seem to be charging more than others are (in the vicinity of $125). Plus there are rumors of a cloned version being available as early as next week possibly, and free ones right around the corner as well...

If this dongle is able to make retails into debugs then the ability to install debug pkgs may also be possible to run/install homebrew and utilize open ports for PC communications etc?

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2919.8.2010 18:48

Originally posted by Oner:
The $170 has been shown to be 1 of 2 things the AUS $ and the fact the store selling them seem to be charging more than others are (in the vicinity or $125). Plus there are rumors of a cloned version being available as early as next week possibly, and free ones right around the corner as well...
Well they need money so they can make a profit and dissaper if the mafia shows up. I am not to worried about the price since this seems to be more a USB hack.

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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3019.8.2010 18:51

Originally posted by PSWii60:
Unless this is an inside thing where someone who knows the codes gave out the info, Sony may very well be able to continue changing the code and requiring a new code from updated firmware'd systems.


Yep, it came from a leaked SDK on Sony's end (which really, makes it very illegal) But like you said, it will be interesting to see how this develops. I personally will not be paying anywhere near the asking price, since it's just homebrew code on a dongle, I'm sure it will be possible to clone or reproduce it, and they are simply selling it at this high a price to get as much money as they can in the first little while.

What I think may happen is, groups and individuals may be able to remove updates from these games (much like the PSP) and it worst comes to worst, we still have games from the last 3 years we can play in the meantime! Backups of course.


3119.8.2010 18:57

Originally posted by Oner:
I was wondering about that as well but they say it is compatible with ALL games....
Thats what is worrying me the most to be honest LOL too good to be true.

the average number of hacks that we have seen 4 years now must be more than 1 hack per month.

Lets hope that this is true at least till the next FW update.
But if its true i dont think that the dongle has something special in it.

3319.8.2010 21:35

Also this stick has full updatability.....This going to take more than a simple patch from Sony.

3419.8.2010 23:01

Originally posted by Oner:
Lets say you actually need this USB Dongle for it to work because of some embedded flashable hardware built into it (thus making all USB's thumbdrives incompatible), then the work around to keep it "legal" would be to sell the Dongle without the flash and have the customer just DL the files and flash it themselves. Done. Legal. Because the Dongle is empty...either way I can wait a little bit longer until a free double hacked version hits the net.


Actually, the recent Jailbreaking case applies; that is why they are calling it a jailbreak instead of a hack. Since this returns the features that were sold with the unit (or at least it could in the near future), it should not be illegal. All thanks to the removal of OtherOS.


Originally posted by deak91:
i think everyone is forgetting the makers of the game genie set the outcome of this with nintendo in court. no hardware/software changes are made to the system once the usb device is removed.
That was a long time ago...things have changed. There was a time when it was legal to backup your movies...but those days are over.

Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by jookycola:
a week after this comes out Sony will make you update to FW 3.42 and will kill this entire thing. Sounds like a waste to me.
The Dongle disables having to update, plus as I said, if it is anything like the PSP Pandora then there is not much Sony can do just like the PSP.
The Dongle may disable the update for a day or two, but we know sony will pull support for old firmwares soon enough; just like they did when they removed linux and everyone was using workarounds. Unless someone figures out a 3rd party PSN client, we will still need updates to go online.

Originally posted by Oner:

Still don't know a few things yet ~

1) Will a current net DL work or will they be incompatible
2) Does booting off BD-R's work or will they be incompatible
3) Will the external HDD have to be formatted in a special format and will/can it be seen when hooked to a PC
1.) They will probably be compatible; as you don't need a disk, you don't need all the parts of the disk that current downloads are missing.
2.) It sounds like they will work, although I don't see why you would want to.
3.) Unfortunately, it will probably be FAT32-only. Maybe we will see Ext4 or even NTFS support once the community gets legs.

Originally posted by SDF_GR:
So... either only games thats under 4gb can be stored to the external drive or the game is saved as files and not as 1 big image file.
I would imagine they do it the same way that USB Extreme did it on the PS2...A single image split into ~1GB chunks.

I really hope this is real, and I really hope that the USB stick is just a flash drive...or at least it is something that I can make using a flash drive and a few parts from digikey. That said, I can think of at least one method that Sony could use to defeat this stick (or at least, to disable PSN use with the stick)...I don't want to risk giving Sony ideas, so I won't even say it.

3519.8.2010 23:34

Originally posted by KillerBug:
That was a long time ago...things have changed. There was a time when it was legal to backup your movies...but those days are over.


Actually it is now legal again to backup your movies again. Remember it was passed the same time when it became legal to jailbreak an iphone or root your android device.
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3619.8.2010 23:56

Haha, well the genie's out of the bottle whatever way you look at it.

Since it's based around de-bug stuff then my guess is that it will be difficult to stuff it back in.

I can see the sales numbers of PS3's going up, heh.

EurAsia has got so worked up over this they sent me a personal email with this link... and they never do that:
http://www.eurasia.nu/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2599

If it sticks it should be interesting to see how it will affect Sony's overall PS3 income, will it go down... will it go up... will it remain steady? Perhaps they will be changing their game marketing strategy in future... to what?

If it's a goer the next thing we should be asking ourselves is what plays better... external of internal HDD?

PS: I thought there was a version of FAT out now that allowed for greater than 4gig?

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3720.8.2010 0:18

Originally posted by Jemborg:
PS: I thought there was a version of FAT out now that allowed for greater than 4gig?
I think it's called ExFAT, but don't quote me on it, though I don't think it's quite as universal as FAT32. I agree with KillerBug on using Ext3/4, but it would be best to make at least a couple file systems compatible rather than just one.

I would think loading from an internal drive using SATA would be a lot faster than an external drive through USB.

3820.8.2010 0:28

Originally posted by rvinkebob:
I would think loading from an internal drive using SATA would be a lot faster than an external drive through USB.
Yeah, probably. But if you store the game to internal HDD will you run the risk of Sony discovering it?

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3920.8.2010 1:15

Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by rvinkebob:
I would think loading from an internal drive using SATA would be a lot faster than an external drive through USB.
Yeah, probably. But if you store the game to internal HDD will you run the risk of Sony discovering it?
And doing what? Coming to your house? lol You can download those games through direct download on the PS3 Store. If all else fails,disable internet connectivity on it.

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4020.8.2010 1:20

Is Oner buying us all one to test out? :D

4120.8.2010 3:03

I wish there was a way that it installed on the system and stayed there instead of having to do the dongle thingy everytime you start the system up.

4220.8.2010 4:16

Originally posted by biglo30:
I wish there was a way that it installed on the system and stayed there instead of having to do the dongle thingy everytime you start the system up.
If the biggest problem of a $5 USB key hack is the used up USB port, then I don't think we have any justification to complain.

Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by rvinkebob:
I would think loading from an internal drive using SATA would be a lot faster than an external drive through USB.
Yeah, probably. But if you store the game to internal HDD will you run the risk of Sony discovering it?
In theory, yes. Remember all those 360 consoles that microsoft bricked? I wouldn't put it past sony. However, I am not sure that it would make any difference if it was external or not; external might even be easier to detect...as actual dev units typically do not do this.

I bet that this will lead to a lot of sales of those esata adapters; I think if it is real, we will see a lot of people using 2TB 7200RPM drives with these adapters...we might even finally get to see if the PS3 works with hardware multiplier arrays over 2TB.

As for general console and game sales, I think both would go way up. Sure, there are always going to be pirates, but those people are not PS3 customers now, so it isn't like they will loose any sales on those people (and they make money selling the systems & accessories). After all is said and done, the user base will be much larger...and piracy is really the last place where the 360 is ahead of the PS3, so Sony's main competitor will take a hard hit as well. Oh, and that is all ignoring people like me who really don't even want to pirate...I just want to be able to play games without needing to get up to change disks...and without the fear of my crummy Sony-made BD drive failing from too much use. And of course, I am also waiting for a distro of Yellow Dog that runs within GameOS like a game.

4320.8.2010 5:44

I think people are commenting on this way too much, but who am I to talk so whats one more?

Hardware sales will definitely continue to climb for Sony, I doubt it will make much impacted dent to MS tho (or Nintendo for that matter, who still sees strong sales despite having a shitty ass system).

I'll admit I a pirate, so this hack appeals to me once the masses verifies it works. Don't get me wrong, I have a shit ton of retail games, I buy what I like and I have a very strong vast collection dating as far back as 70s and I am very proud of my collection. If game companies didn't over value their half ass made products and spent more time on quality rather than quantity I wouldn't be pirating today.

I don't rent cause most of the crap released isn't even worth renting out, so why should anyone have to pay for crap at all, even if its $5, crap is crap; and unless we can grow veggies with said crap, then no point in renting. Piracy is that gap that unfortunately over bloated to the public masses cause those that could do it, couldn't keep their mouth shut about it and now forced itself onto mainstream public eye causing corporations to panic and gov't bodies to treat us like serial rapists.

My main interest in this, is to see how people can expand on this hack. Okay cool, it can play backups installed to external/internal drives, regardless of speeds which could or may not impact game-play pending on the drive used and the game running. After thinking about it, I still stand by that $170AU is reasonable today, but tomorrow *by that I mean a month down the road* it will not be, as someone will likely mimic and sell a cheaper version that does the same thing or better. Its the or better I want; movie/music access, a menu system superior to XBMC, etc.. I know its wishful thinking, but hey.

Either way, in a month we will know more, and if it does work, than $170AU was worth the selling point to have someone out there find a better way, perhaps even a free way, at the very least a cheaper way.

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4420.8.2010 6:28

Originally posted by biglo30:
I wish there was a way that it installed on the system and stayed there instead of having to do the dongle thingy everytime you start the system up.
all in due time
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4520.8.2010 7:41

I think that if this is real, and if sony does not find a way to kill it right away, then we will see a lot of "homebrew games" that are really just ports of PC apps. So, you might not be able to use the XMB media player to watch a MKV or access a ext4 USB drive, but you put in the virtual gamedisk file called "XBMC", and now you have these features. Sure, it isn't as nice as having the feature built in, but Sony will never include these features on their own (if they were going to, they would have done it years ago).

I was just thinking of something I want almost as much as diskless operation of free games...if games can be played without signatures, then it should be possible to make quick modifications to games in order to enable keyboard and mouse support! Maybe even other PC-style mods; like adding real cars to GTA4, adding custom map packs to FPS games, etc...

4620.8.2010 8:50

If this is true and starts the piracy movement for the PS3, I don't think as many people will download PS3 games as they do 360 games. Most people aren't willing to download a 25 to 50 gig game just to try it out. To much bandwidth. This is why you don't see a lot of full copy BluRay movies. Yes you can get them but not nearly as many as BluRay rips. I think the Playstation Store games would take the biggest hit.

4720.8.2010 10:20

So, in short... folks should initially avoid this because:

1. A free version should appear shortly, assuming there's nothing special about the USB drive.

2. There's likely going to be a response from Sony shortly (in the form of a firmware update, etc.) that could render it useless until it's reworked.

Regardless, this appears to be a very promising start.

4820.8.2010 11:07

Quote:
I don't think as many people will download PS3 games as they do 360 games. Most people aren't willing to download a 25 to 50 gig game just to try it out. To much bandwidth.
And as for the downloading comment; no one is talking about upping PS3 games to the scene, like that would be a bit much lol. Even if done, downloading as you said is such an inconvenience that the obvious choice would be to rent the PS3 games and load em to your drive to play them as backups later.
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4920.8.2010 11:11

Originally posted by KillerBug:
Actually, the recent Jailbreaking case applies; that is why they are calling it a jailbreak instead of a hack. Since this returns the features that were sold with the unit (or at least it could in the near future), it should not be illegal.
Operative word. Either way you know they will ship it blank to make sure they cover their bases.


Originally posted by KillerBug:
The Dongle may disable the update for a day or two, but we know sony will pull support for old firmwares soon enough; just like they did when they removed linux and everyone was using workarounds. Unless someone figures out a 3rd party PSN client, we will still need updates to go online.
If this is anything like the PSP's Jig Kick/Pandora I highly doubt it can be closed. But I am sure it wouldn't take much to switch to XLink Kai (or something similar/new) for those who don't care for PSN.


Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by Oner:

Still don't know a few things yet ~

1) Will a current net DL work or will they be incompatible
2) Does booting off BD-R's work or will they be incompatible
3) Will the external HDD have to be formatted in a special format and will/can it be seen when hooked to a PC
1.) They will probably be compatible; as you don't need a disk, you don't need all the parts of the disk that current downloads are missing.
2.) It sounds like they will work, although I don't see why you would want to.
3.) Unfortunately, it will probably be FAT32-only. Maybe we will see Ext4 or even NTFS support once the community gets legs.
1) Still remains to be seen or proven though right? (unless something was confirmed while I slept)
2) I actually hope so because I am the type of person to always prefer having a physical backup of my stuff just in case a HDD dies. Even if it doesn't boot a BD-R I am sure I can simply backup a few to a disc as data and be covered. Either way I'm fine with that.
3) It is confirmed to be FAT32 currently (with the caveat they are working on NTFS). The format style is not a big deal one way or the other. I am sure it won't affect how a game boots because PSN DL games that are over 4gb's work (similar to how you describe below about the PS2 probably)


Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
So... either only games thats under 4gb can be stored to the external drive or the game is saved as files and not as 1 big image file.
I would imagine they do it the same way that USB Extreme did it on the PS2...A single image split into ~1GB chunks.

I really hope this is real, and I really hope that the USB stick is just a flash drive...or at least it is something that I can make using a flash drive and a few parts from digikey.

Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by rvinkebob:
I would think loading from an internal drive using SATA would be a lot faster than an external drive through USB.
Yeah, probably. But if you store the game to internal HDD will you run the risk of Sony discovering it?
Exactly. I would prefer it being on an external for that reason as well as I can take it on the go easily to anywhere (if needed) without bringing any of my PS3's.


Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Is Oner buying us all one to test out? :D
Ha Ha...I don't have "baller status" like that just yet ;P


Originally posted by biglo30:
I wish there was a way that it installed on the system and stayed there instead of having to do the dongle thingy everytime you start the system up.
I read (@ PS3News forum I think it was) there is a team working on that. To basically double bypass the needed USB & files.


Originally posted by KillerBug:
If the biggest problem of a $5 USB key hack is the used up USB port, then I don't think we have any justification to complain.
Agree.


Originally posted by KillerBug:
In theory, yes. Remember all those 360 consoles that microsoft bricked? I wouldn't put it past sony. However, I am not sure that it would make any difference if it was external or not; external might even be easier to detect...as actual dev units typically do not do this.
That is a really good point, and makes some sense.


Edit: Some pics of it opened up





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5020.8.2010 11:14

Seeing as it opens the doors to homebrew, I can see PS3 making a lot of progress (similar to the original XBox days) and I'd imagine it won't be long before BD-R loaders, FTP, emulation, media centre apps etc. appear.


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5120.8.2010 12:20

They could just disable the USB Bootloader, which will stop the Jigstick from booting the PS3 into service mode on startup

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5220.8.2010 13:38

Could this allow native playback of my 1080p mkv movies? I'm currently forced to use media server to stream my mkv movies over 4 gigs; the dissadvantage of Ps3 media server is it doesn't support 24 FPS or HD audio

5320.8.2010 13:42

Originally posted by Mik3h:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by rvinkebob:
I would think loading from an internal drive using SATA would be a lot faster than an external drive through USB.
Yeah, probably. But if you store the game to internal HDD will you run the risk of Sony discovering it?
And doing what? Coming to your house? lol You can download those games through direct download on the PS3 Store. If all else fails,disable internet connectivity on it.
KillerBug got it. Wether Sony could cripple a PS3 online like MS can do with a X360. I naturally meant alternatively using a External HDD with the internet disabled... unplugging it if you went online.

Personally I doubt it, but then again you may have to have the dongle unplugged if you go online. We shall see. After (if?) the bugger's released for a little while then we'll know for sure.

PS: To the dude that doesn't rent... you probably will to get the game to install. It's a bit much to download 20+ gigs for a try. Unless you have unlimited.

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5420.8.2010 15:49

Quote:
PS: To the dude that doesn't rent... you probably will to get the game to install. It's a bit much to download 20+ gigs for a try. Unless you have unlimited.
To add to this:

Even on unlimited unless you have a fast speed, and I mean fiber optic fast, you waiting a looonnnng time just go get the dl. The only logical way to get it would be off a torrent board, cause i can't imagine the hundreds of links to click for it off MU or RS. Even using a private torrent board is crazy, as imagine having to ratio that?

People can hope for dl's for this, but even if it does happen, again this is so unpractical its laughable.
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5520.8.2010 15:51

heres hoping it works

5620.8.2010 16:14

i would be willing to download a game off of news server. im sure i can get a 25gb file while i sleep.

5720.8.2010 16:20

Originally posted by Mysttic:
Quote:
PS: To the dude that doesn't rent... you probably will to get the game to install. It's a bit much to download 20+ gigs for a try. Unless you have unlimited.
To add to this:

Even on unlimited unless you have a fast speed, and I mean fiber optic fast, you waiting a looonnnng time just go get the dl. The only logical way to get it would be off a torrent board, cause i can't imagine the hundreds of links to click for it off MU or RS. Even using a private torrent board is crazy, as imagine having to ratio that?

People can hope for dl's for this, but even if it does happen, again this is so unpractical its laughable.
News servers would be the best way and if you have cable internet that wouldn't be quite as bad. Still bad but not as bad.

5820.8.2010 19:19

Thats pretty awesome....dont think its $170 for a thumb drive awesome.

5920.8.2010 21:37

from what i read the usb drive for this will have some hard code on the device(a chip to make it work i think) so a downloaded copy of this wont work. i think it will be like the ps2's hd loader but it will work from the usb device so a cloned version on a regular usb device needs to copy more than the files it needs to somehow copy the boot sectors too

6021.8.2010 0:56

So...... I have been reqading and have come to haz new questions. What kind of hardware is on the USB drive to decrypt the PS3 into debug mode?

Everything hedges on that being easily distributable in some fashion....


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6121.8.2010 3:07

Originally posted by djeazyg:
If this is true and starts the piracy movement for the PS3, I don't think as many people will download PS3 games as they do 360 games. Most people aren't willing to download a 25 to 50 gig game just to try it out. To much bandwidth. This is why you don't see a lot of full copy BluRay movies. Yes you can get them but not nearly as many as BluRay rips. I think the Playstation Store games would take the biggest hit.
Most PS3 games are just ports of 360 games; the image files are usually very close in size. Granted, there are a few monsters that really use up space, but most PS3 games would fit onto a single-layer DVD.

Originally posted by leif24:
Could this allow native playback of my 1080p mkv movies? I'm currently forced to use media server to stream my mkv movies over 4 gigs; the dissadvantage of Ps3 media server is it doesn't support 24 FPS or HD audio
While it would not do so on it's own, if it works, then people can make "homebrew games" that would let you play such files; you would not even need to stream.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
So...... I have been reqading and have come to haz new questions. What kind of hardware is on the USB drive to decrypt the PS3 into debug mode?

Everything hedges on that being easily distributable in some fashion....
I have not seen anything specific enough to tell me much at this point, but I have seen a few pics, and here is what I saw:
It appears to be a flash drive with a programmable I/O controller and a diode linking two of the pins on the ic. If this is all there is, then small-scale production should be very easy, resulting in lots of competition and low prices.

6221.8.2010 4:22

is there any news on the release dates?

6321.8.2010 12:17

Originally posted by KillerBug:
Most PS3 games are just ports of 360 games; the image files are usually very close in size. Granted, there are a few monsters that really use up space, but most PS3 games would fit onto a single-layer DVD.
I thought as much.

Do you know if the PS3 uses real-time hardware decompression?

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6421.8.2010 12:27

Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by djeazyg:
If this is true and starts the piracy movement for the PS3, I don't think as many people will download PS3 games as they do 360 games. Most people aren't willing to download a 25 to 50 gig game just to try it out. To much bandwidth. This is why you don't see a lot of full copy BluRay movies. Yes you can get them but not nearly as many as BluRay rips. I think the Playstation Store games would take the biggest hit.
Most PS3 games are just ports of 360 games; the image files are usually very close in size. Granted, there are a few monsters that really use up space, but most PS3 games would fit onto a single-layer DVD.

Originally posted by leif24:
Could this allow native playback of my 1080p mkv movies? I'm currently forced to use media server to stream my mkv movies over 4 gigs; the dissadvantage of Ps3 media server is it doesn't support 24 FPS or HD audio
While it would not do so on it's own, if it works, then people can make "homebrew games" that would let you play such files; you would not even need to stream.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
So...... I have been reqading and have come to haz new questions. What kind of hardware is on the USB drive to decrypt the PS3 into debug mode?

Everything hedges on that being easily distributable in some fashion....
I have not seen anything specific enough to tell me much at this point, but I have seen a few pics, and here is what I saw:
It appears to be a flash drive with a programmable I/O controller and a diode linking two of the pins on the ic. If this is all there is, then small-scale production should be very easy, resulting in lots of competition and low prices.
Ouch, some PS3 games are ports from the 360 but they have been handled better than PC ports I tell you. The PS3 have 4 layers of games one layer it shares with the 360 explicitly, then it has its own ports(look at some of the Jrpg thats has the full non beta version of the game on it) it also has its own PSN game ports which may or may not be exclusive or different enough to note. Then it has its own games made for it. Then it has port me downs which are about half or maybe 30-70% every other year of the new games that it shares with the 360.

At the end of the day its like anything new media it is good enough, IE it has enough individual content to make it worth the 300$. Frankly I think the WII has slightly better individual content but the WII is built on loose control and I loath the foundation its built on its like the 360s and cheap/shiny actiony games foundation.... god new media sucks.......

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6522.8.2010 0:42

i will only believe it if i see more videos or the darn thing infront of me before i drop as much as it costs to by half a ps3 to get one of these things.

if it was $170 in aussie dollars. it would be like 50 bux american hehe

6622.8.2010 3:34

Originally posted by miketoo01:
It was already modified to allow Dev consoles to boot games so the code/files are out there being worked on.
Ya but in order to use them you have to tell the hardware via a USB hardware connection that its ok to use them...I wonder if you could spoof usb driver and load them via say Linux or something?

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6722.8.2010 9:02

You guys have got it all wrong, they aren't testing the PSJailbreak on DEV consoles, the PSJailbreak turns your console into a dev console when it is plugged in, wich allows you to run 3rd party sofware on it, aka homebrew.
Then you plug in a normal usb memory that contains the downloaded software-content (The backup manager wich allows you to play copied games) from the PSJailbreak site, then you install this content on the PS3 so you can play backups of games or(illegaly) download games and put on your PS3 to play them.

6822.8.2010 10:10
Daniel_1
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PUH-LEAZE...I can already play every PS-PS1-PS2 games on my modified Wii, as well as the Atari games-Atari Jag games-playstation-all nintendo handhelds as well as Comm 64 games and Xbox games. And when this crack/hack comes out and if it does what it says, then I will be able to play all PS3 games on my Nintendo Wii as well. Now before you say you cannot do this, check the net. There are hundreds of thousands of pages that not only say you can, but tell you how to do it as well.

So the question begs, if the Wii can do all of this, why would you want a PS 3?

6922.8.2010 10:57

Originally posted by Daniel_1:
...And when this crack/hack comes out and if it does what it says, then I will be able to play all PS3 games on my Nintendo Wii as well. Now before you say you cannot do this, check the net. There are hundreds of thousands of pages that not only say you can, but tell you how to do it as well.

So the question begs, if the Wii can do all of this, why would you want a PS 3?
Wow. Simply amazing...I have no words.

Edit: Actually, after going over some of your post history I do ~ Please refrain from posting misinformation that is not relevant to the topic at hand.
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7022.8.2010 11:13

Originally posted by Daniel_1:
PUH-LEAZE...I can already play every PS-PS1-PS2 games on my modified Wii, as well as the Atari games-Atari Jag games-playstation-all nintendo handhelds as well as Comm 64 games and Xbox games. And when this crack/hack comes out and if it does what it says, then I will be able to play all PS3 games on my Nintendo Wii as well. Now before you say you cannot do this, check the net. There are hundreds of thousands of pages that not only say you can, but tell you how to do it as well.

So the question begs, if the Wii can do all of this, why would you want a PS 3?
You're back! And still full of crap!

How long before you get suspended this time?

Let the entertainment begin! :D
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7122.8.2010 11:28

Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
PUH-LEAZE...I can already play every PS-PS1-PS2 games on my modified Wii, as well as the Atari games-Atari Jag games-playstation-all nintendo handhelds as well as Comm 64 games and Xbox games. And when this crack/hack comes out and if it does what it says, then I will be able to play all PS3 games on my Nintendo Wii as well. Now before you say you cannot do this, check the net. There are hundreds of thousands of pages that not only say you can, but tell you how to do it as well.

So the question begs, if the Wii can do all of this, why would you want a PS 3?
You're back! And still full of crap!

How long before you get suspended this time?

Let the entertainment begin! :D
Please do not instigate the situation any further. It's no better than what an offender/troll does. TY.
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7222.8.2010 11:59

Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
PUH-LEAZE...I can already play every PS-PS1-PS2 games on my modified Wii, as well as the Atari games-Atari Jag games-playstation-all nintendo handhelds as well as Comm 64 games and Xbox games. And when this crack/hack comes out and if it does what it says, then I will be able to play all PS3 games on my Nintendo Wii as well. Now before you say you cannot do this, check the net. There are hundreds of thousands of pages that not only say you can, but tell you how to do it as well.

So the question begs, if the Wii can do all of this, why would you want a PS 3?
You're back! And still full of crap!

How long before you get suspended this time?

Let the entertainment begin! :D
Please do not instigate the situation any further. It's no better than what an offender/troll does. TY.
You haven't seen enough of his posts then. LOL

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7322.8.2010 12:12
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Jemborg You are so full of edited for content that your hair is brown. You got your arse beaten so bad in the last thread that you slunk off with your tail between your legs.

And to beat the snot out of you yet AGAIN in this thread, all you need to do is look here

http://www.google.com/search?q=Turn+your...lient=firefox-a

and you will find over 114,000 DIFFERENT sites all saying the same thing I just have. It must really be magic in your own little reality where you are the only one right and everyone else is wrong because YOU say so.

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7422.8.2010 12:33

Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Jemborg You are so full of edited for content that your hair is brown. You got your arse beaten so bad in the last thread that you slunk off with your tail between your legs.

And to beat the snot out of you yet AGAIN in this thread, all you need to do is look here

http://www.google.com/search?q=Turn+your...lient=firefox-a

and you will find over 114,000 DIFFERENT sites all saying the same thing I just have. It must really be magic in your own little reality where you are the only one right and everyone else is wrong because YOU say so.
And now you have 2 Days off (which is EXTREMELY light) for disregarding a warning, arguing, language and spreading misinformation ~

Originally posted by Daniel_1:
And when this crack/hack comes out and if it does what it says, then I will be able to play all PS3 games on my Nintendo Wii as well
You cannot play PS3 Games in/on a Wii no matter what "hack" ever gets released. PERIOD.


Originally posted by Jemborg:
You haven't seen enough of his posts then. LOL
Actually I have, but either way you should also know better than to instigate something that was being addressed by a mod.
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7522.8.2010 13:00

Originally posted by xLeD:
You guys have got it all wrong, they aren't testing the PSJailbreak on DEV consoles, the PSJailbreak turns your console into a dev console when it is plugged in, wich allows you to run 3rd party sofware on it, aka homebrew.
Then you plug in a normal usb memory that contains the downloaded software-content (The backup manager wich allows you to play copied games) from the PSJailbreak site, then you install this content on the PS3 so you can play backups of games or(illegaly) download games and put on your PS3 to play them.
Its not normal USB thats the point, and yes it turns any PS3 into a dev console.

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7622.8.2010 13:02

Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
You haven't seen enough of his posts then. LOL
Actually I have, but either way you should also know better than to instigate something that was being addressed by a mod.
In that case then you would see that he doesn't need any help from anyone much less myself oner.

Regardless, I had no intention of adding any further remarks anyway.

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7722.8.2010 13:25

Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
You haven't seen enough of his posts then. LOL
Actually I have, but either way you should also know better than to instigate something that was being addressed by a mod.
In that case then you would see that he doesn't need any help from anyone much less myself oner.

Regardless, I had no intention of adding any further remarks anyway.
He does need help...just not any that aD can offer, maybe a doctor perhaps? But anyway, next time just bring it to the attention of any one of us mods and we'll handle it quickly to avoid things getting out of hand. TY.

7822.8.2010 13:29

Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
You haven't seen enough of his posts then. LOL
Actually I have, but either way you should also know better than to instigate something that was being addressed by a mod.
In that case then you would see that he doesn't need any help from anyone much less myself oner.

Regardless, I had no intention of adding any further remarks anyway.
He does need help...just not any that aD can offer, maybe a doctor perhaps? But anyway, next time just bring it to the attention of any one of us mods and we'll handle it quickly to avoid things getting out of hand. TY.
I dunno he needs to learn to snipe with his comments like zippy dose, less is more when a heavy helping of self smoking poo gas and I know everything there is to know and everyone is wrong.

Anyway my head hurts and I have less energy to be right all the time. *yawns*

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7922.8.2010 13:44
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So, This pendrive is gonna jailbreak the PS3? If i had the money i would use it, but unfortunately i don't. Hope the Freeware version comes out soon so we can use it ourselves. And it seems there's some speculation about it anyway, so I'll see what unfolds. :)

8022.8.2010 13:53

@ Zippy... "poo gas"...?!?

LOL




PS: I'm not surprised your head hurts... take two aspirin suppositories and call me in the morning.


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8122.8.2010 14:31

Originally posted by Jemborg:
@ Zippy... "poo gas"...?!?

LOL
I LoL'ed as well...damned Zippyisms.

8222.8.2010 14:37

Originally posted by Jemborg:
@ Zippy... "poo gas"...?!?

LOL




PS: I'm not surprised your head hurts... take two aspirin suppositories and call me in the morning.
What other fumes do egotistical and or arrogant people huff on?
:P

Also to much freakazoid in my youth.

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8322.8.2010 14:52

@ Zip

Well, since you put it like that...


Btw, how much poo gas does a "Zippy dose" constitute? Less being more and all...


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8422.8.2010 15:24

Originally posted by Jemborg:
@ Zip

Well, since you put it like that...


Btw, how much poo gas does a "Zippy dose" constitute? Less being more and all...
Less being more only counts for posting...mostly... other wise I am trolling sitting in da pew looking for soemone whos wrong in the land of a series of tubes.

LOL

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8522.8.2010 15:41

Yes, it is sony's turn to have something as easy as the xbox's soft mod. Asking for 170$ is a joke.

8727.8.2010 16:12

Originally posted by dEwMe:
BAD NEWS?

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/...f-inventory.ars

Sounds like it.

Looks like the PS3 News message board has been down for the last 9 hours or so.

Related???...

I wouldn't be surprised if PS3News didn't voluntarily take down the boards to protect some of the members and discussion that was going on there.

Regardless, there are still early models in existence. It all depends on how many of those working ones still exist (ones that haven't been dismantled in order to reverse engineer) that can be left to continue software cloning.

8819.1.2011 18:46
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hell yeah thats true my m8 allreay has got a torrent and downloaded jailbraking crap lol but he also downloaded something were u can play games from ya harddrive but the not wont tell me were he got it from hahahahaa

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