Sony fears PS3 launch delays

What?? Might not be released till November in the U.S.? That blows!!

it does blow but it gives me more time to save money to buy more games ------------------------- rock you like a hurricane

It will give them more time to prepare, there will be less problems with the launch.

If the launch needs to be delayed, let it be delayed. Rather that than the PS3 being as bad as the Xbox360 on launch.

The PS3 launch may be delayed, that sucks really. I was hoping to try out devil may cry 4 somewhere this summer, but it seems its release is taking longer than expected. Hopefully, their cutting edge technology rivals or even surpasses that of the Xbox 360. I am curious to see how events turn out.

I spoke with a guy last night who bought some of my XBOX 360 games from me that I had finished, and he has a friend that works for Sony, who has played the PS3 system and actually told him to buy the 360 instead as he mentioned it was a superior system compared to what Sony will be releasing. I found that odd, but it doesn't suprise me as I feel Sony is banking more on the Blu-ray disc drive than the games themselves. This will be interesting how it pans out. Sure it will sell a ton of units, but I somehow think it will be more people purchasing it because of the Blu-ray technology than the games themselves. Of course, this could hurt Sony, OR, could help them. If they are catering to the Blu-ray fans, it will upset gamers, however, it could also bring in a whole new batch of people into gaming, that are buying it just for the Blu-ray factor, and that would mean higher profits for Sony. I myself am an XBOX 360 fan and will probably get the external HD-DVD drive myself when it is released, but I just found that news intersting that a Sony worker would tell someone to buy the 360 stating it is a superior gaming system than the PS3 will be.

K5Jon, you have to realise that your friend played on a development kit which is not even finished yet.

True, however he said that the final product won't be superior to the 360, and that is why Sony is betting more on the Blu-ray technology to help them win the console war. Personally I think gaming wise, the 360 will be a far better unit. Nothing against Sony, as I prefer Sony electronics over anything else, but I think Microsoft has the upper hand in this one. The Blu-ray aspect will either help Sony or hurt them. If they price the unit below cost, which they usually do, to make up the profits in software sales, those people who want it JUST for playing Blu-ray discs and don't care about games, will love it. They will get to buy a Blu-ray player for cheap. That could hurt Sony right now. However, like I said before, it could help them in that they will be opening the door to a new batch of potenital gamers. Also, by having the drive built-in helps Sony in that aspect as the 360's will be external, which can be turn off to people. I guess we will have to wait and see for sure what happens. K5Jon

Ahh.. wonder how big the games will be.. -Mike

This should also be the time for X box to tweak their system if they have too. Also to put out more games as well. Their should be no reason X Box shouldn't be able to jump ahead of the competition.

This should also be the time for X box to tweak their system if they have too. Also to put out more games as well. Their should be no reason X Box shouldn't be able to jump ahead of the competition.

I don't know about having MS tweaking the current 360, as that would really upset the people who just bought it a mere three months ago at launch or recently. I think the system on it's own is wonderful, but I am rather dissapointed in the game selections offered. Call of Duty 2 is a must own, but the multiplayer is terrible. 4 on 4 is boring, and you cant even have your friends join up with you. I hope Infinity Ward works on the multiplayer aspect for Call of Duty 3 which is in the works. It needs at least 8 on 8...at least! They should look at Halo 2, which is the most popular XBOX Live game on both the original XBOX and the 360. That is kind of sad when you think about it...an original XBOX title the most popular amongst players with an XBOX 360. Perfect Dark Zero was a joke, and the currently pickings are rather slim. However, next month should be a good month of games, with Fight Night 3 out, and Battlefield 2, Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, and Far Cry Instincts Predator all "scheduled" to ship before the end of March. K5Jon

Honestly... I was seriously expecting this.

I'm fed with waiting. If it's released after summer, I don't care about it.

did you guys really think it would be put out in spring. money wise it would be right to wait till November because of after thanksgiving day sales. but thats just my 2 cents

Yep, they will probably wait till november anyways for the christmas rush.

Just as predicted, Sony is once again over promising and under delivering. I hope the PS3 falls flat on it's face to the dismay of all the Sony Fanboys out there. It is just tiresome listening to Sony this and Sony that.....there are so many other electronics companies that make top notch products but get pushed aside by throngs sheep buying "what everyone else is buying".

Yeah, I don't think anyone has a good excuse for being surprised. It's not like it's the first time this has happened... Basically, this isn't really "news" to me, as much as "confirmation of an inevitable truth".

I don't think Sony was ever planning on releasing it in the Spring. Thank about it. If I were running Sony, in competition with Microsuck, I would just get the word out to the public that the release would be earlier than it actually is, so that Microsoft would waste their time and money on getting out an inferior console system, then at the last minute, delay the PS3. THis way, microsoft would have already produced their "next gen" console, while everybody else would be anticipating the greater PS3. It throws off the competition in Sony's favor.

".......If I were running Sony......", classic. Check Monster.com, Sony maybe hiring some market strategists right now. With that take your sure to get in. Sony Fanboy's at their best.

Fanboy or no fanboy, it's not a bad argument, and whether or not it was planned it could be a scenario that works in Sony's favour...

Of course it will be shipped in november,how many games ads have you seen on tv,or movies in Blu-ray? none,zero and of course they want to eclipse the revolution`s launch too.

I don't think Sony has to worry about Nintendo's Revolution system, it will more than likely fail like the Gamecube did. Personally I think Nintendo should get out of the hardware market and concentrate on the software side of things.

they will sell more toward November, that's why they'll wait.

Well whenever the damn thing comes out, i'm sure as hell getting one. I'm not going to not get one just because they didn't release it when they said they would. Thats just retarded reasoning right there.

Hope with the spare time they give the PS3 more tests and make the system more durable (A.K.A Disc Read Error big mistake by Sony, also power connection over heat SCPH- 70000 Slim PS2) but thats the past. The Specs are great and it seems to have more options then other systems, but all we really need from Sony is a date and a price and then we will be more patient but if they keep ignoring there fans then when the launch date comes by who's gonna have the money. People are still recovering from Christmas and right now is a great time for Sony to release its product *cough* income tax money *cough*. All Im saying to Sony is pick a good time and a good price and the big money will start rolling in and the fans will be shitless happy when they open those PS3 boxes.

I am sick and tired of hearing that the Xbox outperforms Sony graphics wise. "The Xbox has superior graphics, screw the PS2". Well, to my recollection, the Xbox had mostly crappy games. Where is the gratuitous blood and gore, and senseless violence I wonder...? Indeed, the Blu-ray disc is an interesting asset, however Sony's project may be too ambitious due to the cost of production of an alleged console that can rival the xbox 360's graphics and host a new blue-ray technology within that same console. Personally, I think if Sony is tardy in its release, it is because they are reassessing their marketing strategy and potential loss of releasing a higher than expectation console. On another note, I would love to see Sony outperform Microsucks, integrate Blu-ray technology with potentially HUGE GAMES, and reasonably price it for its consummers. PS3 rivaling graphics of Xbox 360 + Blu-ray technology + great price= FORMULA FOR SUCCESS! However, if Sony falls short from what they are publicizing, than it will only be worth the purchase for the Blu-ray technology. Personally, I say *uck the Blu-ray, I want the PS3 to be "CRAZIER" (metaphor) than the XBOX 360.

If Sony's PS3 turns out to be crappy, I certainly won't buy the Xbox 360, therefore, I will have to wait until the PS4 comes out...Perhaps in 7 years from now... or more due to their damned delays, lolololl

I own a 360 and frankly, Im not very impressed. I thought it would be alot more than what it is. The only reason I didn't resell it is because it is also an HD-DVD player.

Ok.... your friend that said "buy the XBOX360 it will be better than the PS3" and your opinion of it being better is just straight ludicrous. At best the difference between the two will be negligible. If not the PS3 will have the technological upper hand. There has been SOOooo many times I have read "i have this friend that knows this guy that played one.... he said it sucks" Well I know this guys that has a friend whos uncle got his hair cut by the grandfather of this kid who kicked this one guy in the nuts that owned this dog that was run over by a guy that works at microsoft and he says that after 4 months the 360 explodes and take out your TV. He also said it gives you testicular cancer and brain cavities. I dont know... sounded pretty reliable to me......

I'm Sold!

I think I will just keep my PC and be happy.

:D Yep, wise choice.

sony's not worried about the delay because they are not in a hurry... the 360 is not doing so good (especially with the shortages issues, etc), and they are still selling ps2s and psps... besides they'll lose money on each ps3 they sell. They expect that even if we all get tired of waiting, eventually when they get the machine on the market everybody will be excited again... so we'll see what happens... i also wonder what happened to the "revolution"... haven't heard anything from nintendo yet, and it looks like nobody cares anymore.

I would buy a Xbox 360 over a playstation 3 anytime if the xbox controller didn't SUCK so bad!!

Good point bam. The PC will always be the superior choice of system (even tho it's a hell of a lot more expensive)

Esrever: Bam, eh? Not been called that before, many other things but not Bam. Ultimately, the choice of games for the PC is the greatest and it's the most customisable, you spend as much or as little as you like, from the performance right up to the user interfaces. Might go wrong a bit more often than a console, and might be more expensive, but it's the only way to go to play the best looking games. Besides, to get HD on a new console, be it the 360 or when the PS3 comes out, it will need an HDTV, which usually start at around £500 here, add that to the £300 console cost, and it's as much as a good PC before any games. To get a screen that delivers the same resolution as the monitor I use (well, close) you need a 42" plasma, £900 or more. I wouldn't mind betting that for that £1200 you could get a PC and screen that would far outstrip the console. People saying "oh, it's more powerful than current PCs" - on paper yes, but in reality, no multi-threaded games have been made yet, by the time they have, they will have been made for the PC, which by then will have a faster processor. Come the end of the decade PCs will have 8-core processors just like the PS3, and soon after they'll be supported. Oh yeah. Coolbrz: To be fair, I don't mind the 360 controller. I don't have a 360 (heh don't be silly!) but I have played one and didn't mind it too much, certainly an improvement on the original. The vertically-aligned shoulder buttons kind of bug me though. Jauzzi: I'd quite like a revolution still, it'd be cheap and it's rumoured it'll play old nintendo games off the GC,N64,SNES and NES, which is uber-cool.

' ' sony's not worried about the delay because they are not in a hurry... the 360 is not doing so good (especially with the shortages issues, etc), and they are still selling ps2s and psps... besides they'll lose money on each ps3 they sell. They expect that even if we all get tired of waiting, eventually when they get the machine on the market everybody will be excited again... so we'll see what happens... i also wonder what happened to the "revolution"... haven't heard anything from nintendo yet, and it looks like nobody cares anymore. ' ' i agree ,nintendos system should be out by now,its going to be the weakest system and it will not even support HD ,why bother and try to compete with PS3 it will destroy you. oh and microsucks LMAO im goona use that from now on.

As I expected from the start ^_^ Too bad, it would've been nice to play ps3 next christmas. Well, I have my 360 comforting me.

Who cares, they will probably make improvements while the release is delayed.

Meh. These systems aren't even game consoles anymore. The games are just there to entertain you for a short bit before you end up using it to browse the Internet. All these systems really are are just cheap all-in-one entertainment systems. It's blantantly obvious that the Revolution is doing this, with its remote-controller. Just save your money up for a decent custom PC. It already does what the consoles do, plus you get to add more stuff to it later to make it better. I know this sounds stupid, but in reality, it's probably the smartest thing you can do. Think about it; buying all 3 consoles + a HDTV + games will cost around $2200+ dollars to get, while at the same time, you can get a custom built Athlon 64 4400+ dual processor combo, about 2 or more gigs of RAM, a pretty decent graphics card w/ all the trimmings, a nice sound card & speakers, a 23' or so monitor for about the same price, plus some over for games. And if you wait, the prices for these items will drop even more, creating bigger savings by the time the PS3 will come out. Final conclusion: Most of these "next-gen" consoles will eventually suck, so stick w/ a PC if you really care about performance.

"All these systems really are are just cheap all-in-one entertainment systems. It's blantantly obvious that the Revolution is doing this, with its remote-controller." What are you talking about? The PS3 and 360 are supposed to be media centers, while the revolution is strictly a video game console. How in the world do you draw the conclusion of the REv being an "all-in-one" entertainment system when it's clearly the most specific "video game" console of the 3. The PS3/360 fighting the High-Definition war with their consoles, HDD's for music/video content... The revolution is the farthest away from being a media hub. It sounds like you hardly know anything about the system as it is. It's very different from the ps3/360, for better or for worse.

The revolution is different, and for most part it is just a games console. The 360 and PS3 are media centers but I can't see that many people using them instead of a PC to browse the internet. A PC will be a far better way of doing that, and IMO, a far better way of doing most things.

I am not at all a game fan. That being said, I still look forward to the PS3's release, solely on it's ability to play back commercial, Blu-ray movies. With the initial prices I've been seeing for first-generation set-top Blu-ray movie players, the PS3 is beginning to look like a bargain! But SO much will depend on the PS3's ability to run cooly (not overheat), and reliably for extended viewing times. (Hours). Can Sony really cram as much stability into a game box as a full-size Blu-ray movie player? I dunno .......... I have my doubts.

quote=esrever "I own a 360 and frankly, Im not very impressed. I thought it would be alot more than what it is. The only reason I didn't resell it is because it is also an HD-DVD player." If you only kept it because it is a HD DVD player...I have bad news for you. There is no content released in HD-DVD, you don't have an HD-DVD drive in your 360, and when available...it will be a nice little external sitting next to the 360.

"The only reason I didn't resell it is because it is also an HD-DVD player." Again the XBox 360 does not play HD-DVD it may feature a HD-DVD Drive at a later date (which will need to be bought), but as it stands now it does not play HD-DVD, so you don't really have a reason.

Honestly, the PS3 is almost worth buying alone for the Blu-ray drive. But seeing as the Specs are still not final on the Blu-ray drive, or for HD-DVD for that matter, sony will more than likely make a november Release time (hmm just in time for X-mas sells). To the person not re-selling his X-Box 360 becuase its an HD-DVD player, you might as well sell it. Progressive Scan DVD players (there is a reason they are not Called HD DVD players) are nice but no where near HD Quality. The X-Box 360 is a Progressive scan DVD player (maybe, dunno if it trys to upconvert reslolution or not). And if you are thinking it uses a HD-DVD drive, it doesnt. PS. on a side note: SLI 7800GTX is still the fastest gaming set up you can own (crossfire is nice but does have a few problems) Want even faster Performance (really unstable though) try 2 Dual GPU cards (for a total or 4 GPU's) in SLI. yeah its nasty...

I am going to get alll three.

To oofRome: I guess I shouldn't have said Revolution was an all-in-wonder, but it still has that remote controller thing going for it, which can turn off the console. Here's a pretty good overview of all 3: http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=165 Now that's worth waiting for!

revolution is going to be the best I think. Mostly cause controller.

The rev's controller looks very interesting. I'm somewhat anxious to try it out. Sam, sorry about the bam. I must be crosseyed.

Esrever: No worries lol, I haven't taken offense to it. dg0896, Rikoshay: I personally think the revolution has a lot going for it, and the controller should make things interesting. drakefs: SLi? Nah ah. If you want best performance reliably you want a single card. The X1900XTX currently takes the biscuit for that, soon to be followed by the 7900.

I want a PS3 SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BADLYYYYYYYYYYYYYY LIKE BADDLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY I MEAN REAL BADLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY F*CK!

Well that's really helpful. Care to contribute any more than that?

Set aside my desires, the launch delay really annoys me.

The downside of the PC is that games are being made more and more for consoles so even if a game gets to the PC it will be a Console port and not optimized for PC Dues Ex 2 is a good exsample of this.... In all a deley is good since they can fix issues that M$ seemed to have ignored to get thiers out a year eaerly....

Only time well tell to say of the PS3, but the 360 is a very flawed system. The graphics cooling is insufficient, and the unstable disc drive is very poor. PC games, while sometimes ports of consoles will ultimately provide better graphics since they're patched to higher resolution. A £50 17" CRT monitor can produce a better picture than a £1000 37" LCD, believe it or not...

It must really suck in PS3 fanboy land, not knowing when your system will come, not knowing exactly what games will come out, not being able to see real time game play(not the movies that sony have been showing of a game), really not knowing much except you want to bash a system that is out with games.Don't put Sony on a pedastal and anoint it king and winner,It doesn't deserve that title yet and no neither does the Xbox 360. How about we wait and see what sony has install for all Ps3 fanboys, You might be surprised.

Well that's what I'm doing. I try hard not to be a fanboy, but it's easy to get carried away. If the 360 wasn't so flawed, I'd be tempted to buy one, but as it is... nah.

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Sony maybe hiring some market strategists right now. With that take your sure to get in. Sony Fanboy's at their best.

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Must have hit a nerve or wrote the truth, what do you think? Does anyone know what the word gullible means(deceived,duped,naive,fleeceable,

If they need more time give them more time. That's all I have to say.

Well, yes, but I doubt anybody would be able to force it upon Sony to release it early, so maybe "letting them have more time" isn't an enormously valid expression.

sammorris still tho the gamepaly and overall game itself is desamated for the consoles and "casuaul" gamers,you still ahve a crappy game that looks better..thats not enough for me....Why I call Doom 3 and Quake 4 the worse BS diakatana,at least daikatana was fun and overall well built comapred to the half mindedness of D3 and Q4 altho I will adamit one thign about D3 it had a good story it didnt feel rushed jsut the level design and overall gamepaly suffered from them trying to much at once....but I am rambleing again >< I go where the games are or at least try to PC,PS2,Cube,DS need to get a Xbox *L* PSP has less games I'd liek to paly than the Xbox dose so I can wait *L* sicne the 360 has been out we know the PS3 cant get worse hell I dout sony would let such errors by even for frist versions that dont make any money....mmmm mabye that was M$'s plan sicne it couldnt amke money off the 360s they released them ASAP with shotty results just to be the frist,then the 2nd wave will have some fixs and the 3rd wave should be fixed more or less..altho thier still hideing the 2nd wave from us arent they? LOL it seems I cant shut up ,I love caffine :P

worest BS since daikatana....caffine is not my friend today >> note:I enjoyed daikatana what it didnt have in story/charatcers it made up for in gamepaly and level design D3 has a well worked out plot/story (soemthign the moive could have learned from...gag) but it goes downhill from there ....cinergy(cinmetic engery) is and will always be BS.... Q4 is just all around lacking...prehaps I am wanting to much from wanting a "A" class game to offer A class enjoyment not C class enjoyment if that.....Daikatana might have been fcked up but at least it was enjoyable a B- mabye...uhg its geeting to the point where I cant rate games anymore becuse most of the newest ones in the last 5 years have been crap....

I thought the Doom film was relatively insignificant, but despite the opinions of most other people I know, I really enjoyed Doom 3. I haven't tried Quake 4 yet, but if it's similar, which most people seem to say and think negatively about, then I'd like to. Going where the games are at would get you best enjoyment, but really if there are only one or two games you'd really like to play, it doesn't make economical sense unless you have too much money. I don't, so all I own is a PC, an N64 and PS2, the most sensible choices at the time.

sammorris I ahve acoupel insane friends that upgrae to the enwest consoles and will sell off thier old ones dirt cheap 0-o reason why I have a Cube and a DS,lost my PSX,N64 and saturn during a bad bad bad year acouple years back ;_; had about 12-20 games each to ;_; I am also a gamer and collector and unless there is a better than 80% emluator out for it I will just buy the games and system. Q4 is not quite like D3 it has bigger rooms and faster gamepaly its kind of a bastard child of Quake 2 and D3 minus the whole RPG elements/PDA of D3.

BTW the reason I brought up the DOOM movie I am just gettign so tired of seeing them attepmt to make money of games and comics without acttualy trying to put enough effort into it tobe worthwhile (this can be said about some game seqaules to)..the whole "lets throw out everythign this fiction is about and remake it so that everyone can understand it" BS has to go ><

How much is the launch delay costing Sony?

Well, I don't know, there won't be huge swathes of people borderline between The PS3 and X360 that go 360 because it's out before, so it's hard to say. On the d3 movie, it's a concept i'm tired of too. I'm liking the sound of Q4, I may acquire it.

sammorris I hate and laoth Q4 but I can see it as a ok game least to non jaded gamers *L* I realy shouldnt use Q2 as an exsample tho theres no secrects,no shoot panle to open stuff,no Item belt ect,ect,ect its more like Q3 and D3 combined I guess.to me it was a bit to simplestic gun and run game theres no secerts and no stashs hidden well its all just bland and medicore,I mean Jedi knight 2 and 3 are all around better designed than this is... Hell I am tired of them rapeing game and comic content/fitcion and remakeing it in thier shallow image.....

Sometimes run shoot kill is all I need after a hard day... :D

sammorris :P

Someone's feeling adventurous, three characters! LOL 08-)x[ ]==

back to topic bah Sony should not fear deleys but focus on makeing the PS3 better so pll will be happy to sell thier balls/360s for it :3 MA AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA 0_o

First of all I think that the PS3 should be delayed as long as it helps the PS3. But shouldn't be delayed for to much. The more time they spent perfecting the PS3 the more time I have to save up for the system. To a regular person one has to work for these things so as long as it doesn't suck like the Xbox360 I am good with it. I got a question for anyone that thinks that the Xbox360 is better = What game are ya playing because the only games that the system has to its name is the Call of Duty and Dead or Alive 4, the others games suck big nuts

You have no Idea what your talking about since you don't own one and for those of us who do , we really don't care what Ps3 fanboys have to say

I only got one thing to say. If your xbox360 is so good why our you reading about the PS3. I mean did you already got bored of the system or did you find out yourself first hand that the 360 sucks?

Mr Mexican is right. Microsucks Xbox 360 just doesn't cut it. I mean for that price, I would rather upgrade my pc, its a much better investment. If the PS3 turns out to be a disappointment, there is always the PS4!

Its easy to bash something you don't own, and yes I am buying a ps3 when they come out so all you Fanboys can sit and cry while I play my Xbox360.

...with laughter. I wouldn't waste money on such an item, especially when it's hard to come by. Something I know has a bleak future is hard enough to justify, let alone something that is fraught with problems. I wasn't that excited by it's launch, but i will be for the PS3...

the 360 is just plain bad 500$ for soemthign that might not work nd then you might have to wait a few months to get to repleaced on the upside it has 2 or 3 games that should keep a few gamers happy but in all it was to rushed and gives Sony more than enough info/power/abilty to kill the 360 in the frist round,sure its lose lose when a new system comes out but they cant even make money off the games yet becuse of the shiping/stock deleys being frist dosnet mean anything if they sell off the console to get a PS3. MS might be ahead by a thred but it wont take much for them to fall altho once the 2nd wave of 360s is out they should be able to regain some footing.

Well i`m getting revolution this year,xbox 360 next year and ps3 the year after but only if it`s under us 400.

the rev will be out this year? *blink blink* oh well I ahve been simi disaloiusioned wiht Nintendo as long as Zelda:TWP comes out on the cube I will probly get a Revsoemtime in the next 2 or 3 yeras *L*

you guys are just jealous because your system isn't coming out ...when?...Oh yeah you don't know what month or what rearend I''m sorry I meen what year the king of all systems that has never been played by you geniusessss or seen by everyone of you. You guys are pulling my leg ...right?

Er, yeah umm, sure, I err.. WHAT?

UHALL, if you love your Xbox 360 that much, here is a condom...you know what to do with it...lloloololloll

Am I being surrounded by a bunch of nutters???!!

UHALL i don't know how to say this in a way to not insult the 360 or your future wife as hot_ice but why r u still in the PS3 section. I know that the xbox is a good system and the 360 might be a better system but we "mature gamers" actually want to play the best games the videogame industry has to offer. The only bad thing about this is that its only on the PS3. Because I don't really want 1 or 2 games to ruin my life because people still can't pass Halo. Isn't this why you are still playing the 360 right. I know that the 360 cost a lot and your broke but maybe someone that is more stupid than you might want a 360 and does not know that the 360 doesn't work.

A hot_ice Uhall might need that condom so make sure he receives it. A I am just looking out for you Uhall like Trojan Man was looking out for us real men.

"xbox 360 doesn't work" is a little bit of an exadgeration. While I conceptually agree, it does actually work, just not all of the time.

I have no problems, I have a system to play and as I said before I plan on buying a PS3. I am not the one who is bashing a system I can't afford. All I am saying is wait...wait for the Ps3 to be released to the public so you have something to base your opinions on instead of biased posts from you guys. I am not saying that the Ps3 might not be better, but right now there is no way to say which system is better because there is no Ps3 to do a side by side comparision. By the way, keep the condom i don't like using them .

Well I must be exagerating but this system doesn't work. Believe me this system doesn't work. I bought this system for my little brother and did not power up and when it did power up it froze in the first 5 minutes it was on. Later it came up more problems so I sold the 360 to a friend of mine. I bought it for $425 with tax and I sold it to one of my friends for $500 even doe I made a profit he later kept on buggin me that the it didn't work so I returned it for him at best buy and he later bought a PSP that same day. The moral of this story is to inform everyone that the 360 doesn't work A UHALL whats the matter can't hang with the big boys.

I am just stateing the facts about the 360 it is pricey yes but all new systems are. Dose almost 4 out of 10 systems fail in some way yes. Are stocks low of the 360 and they are hard to get right now YES (witch makes replacing/getting it fixed annoying) Also anther fact the games on the 360 for now will be games that have been on the Xbox meaning not alot of 3rd part/Japanese games and most of the best games do come from japan and since M$ has worked hard to make Japanese devs notice the 360 they might start porting some games over to it but that yet is to be seen. Its simple to me at least the 360s launch is one of the wrest yet or at least equal to the last big fouled up release. The 360 is a nice system with plenty of room to grow its just not worth it for most of us to get it ASAP,if the PS3 has a shaky launch then it might be worth waiting for it to. MrMexican ouch 0_o

@sammoris Breathe, this isn't an asylum... @Uhall Contraception is always good in the face of Microsucks products. PS3 is for mature players, thats why I like it.

I never said we weren't beta testers for MS. YOUr judging a system you bought that didn't work and never played. You guys know I am busting your balls but come on mr. Mex no one in the right mind would buy a system that didn't work I don't care if it came from the pope you still don't buy it. For everyones info the systems that we got in return for the DOA ones work flawlessly so far. Hope that Sony doesn't make the same mistakes hot ice I am a little to old for condoms and me personally I like game systems and I don't care if they play Mature games as long as the games are good . The jury is still out on the 360 but i am picking up GRecon wed of next week.

I personally think that the failure rate of 360s is too high, and far higher than the 3-4% microsoft mentioned. There's a serious issue.

Trust me I know it was alot higher, MS didn't try to fix the bad systems they just replaced with a new one. I would say more like 50% to 75% , like me and got one on launch had there system replaced.I know people who got theirs on the second release and had no problems. I am going to wait until sony releases the second run by then they should have all the bugs worked out . I am not buying anymore systems on launch, you would think after the ps2 and xbox I would have learned my lesson.

Was the PS2 bad on launch? my brother got a PS2 pretty much at UK launch, and it was fine up until a few months ago when the age old cd reading problem occurred.

sammorris PS2 is hit and miss and alot and ALOT of fing revisions 12 for the Non slime line ALONE parts are not universail its kinda a nightmare,I ahve read storys that some pll still have frist gen PS2 that work fine they are in the few tho mabye 2 or 3 out of ten made it this far? I dont want to even think about how long soem of thier revisions last....the PS2 lauch was ok they could have waited and did the HD but then only 2 or 3 games use the HD 0-o UHALL I was being kind on the 4 out of 10 being bad then *L* just replaced eh? I hope they test them befor shiping..oh wait that would require thinking >< mabye theats why theres a sortage they hid 20% of them for replacements 0-o *L* see its ok to say the 360 has a horried launch is the system dead no but it could have been done alot better ><

It should have been done better I think MS actually thought the Ps3 was going to be released brfore them so they sent out systems and let us be the guinea pigs.After all is said and done its not as bad of a system as you guys think(now since I have my 2 system) NFS, COD, so far are the best games. I hope the Ps3 lives up to all the hype and doesn't flop.

Me too. Although even if the game selection is poor, and I can see that being unlikely, it's a bluray DVD player for half the price, which in itself is something to consider.

Personally speaking, if the PS3 is more expensive than 500$ I won't even consider buying it. However, with the amount of technology integrated within it, you wouldn't expect anything less than 500$... Let's face it, consoles aren't the greatest innovation of technology out there. I think the major problem behind Xbox and PS consoles is that they don't much aside from playing games and movies. I think the PS3 needs to evolve into something new. Rather, I think that all consoles should evolve into something fresh and exciting. Oooh better graphics, and can read new dvd's, oh wow, what a downer.

UHALL the system is not "bad" it is just lacking the 3 or 4 games on it with graphics my computer can do dose not amke it worth the price,the gamesplay of said games is no diffrent than the gamepaly on any current game thus not worth the price. sammorris whats the point of it if the 360s HiDef is ture HiDef the HiDef the MPAA has hardware and code locked or the currect gen of HiDef wicth is nice and slightly better than normal high res but not ture HiDef? Basicly I wont touch the HiDef DVDs not until one format becoems the norm hell I wonder if theres a chance that one drive can do Blue Ray and HD DVD like DVDs do + and -..altho there more like Beta max and VHS.....sigh..I guess it will be 2-5 years befor I worry abut upgrade to a new format to store my collection on... hot_ice you ahve a point and then some! I go where the gmaes are not where the graphics are if graphics were everyhtign thier would be no consoles and to me the state of gameing is on a rocky footing devs across the board are going for shallow style(graphics) over game DESIGN ,hell I can just pick on gamepaly anymore the way levels are made ,level design has stagnated sicne mabye the 6th or 7th geration of 3D games.... (1-2 Wolfinstin,Doom,Quake,ect) (3-4 Duke 3D,BLood,Unreal,Quake 2,Jedi knight) (5-6 Quake 3,Jedi knight 2-3,Unreal 2,C&C comando,UT03,Halo) (7-8 Doom 3,HL2,Quake 4,FEAR,) bah tis far from perfect but you get the gist... Mabye when a game like DOom 3 or quake 4 comes out I want it to be a A class game like its advertized as not some dinky b or c grade shooter...call me crazy and I know some of what to call me other things but the gamepaly and level design of DUke 3D and Blood ALONE are better than Doom 3 and Quake 4 combined.....

I can't argue the systems are way over priced and I am not crazy over the new HDDVD and BLUERAY formats .I think it is a ploy by all the big Companies to generate more income from the consumer. Just think that $300 Denon Dvd player you bought(hypethetical)will be out dated in 6 months and won't play either format, which meens you will have to buy a another dvd player from the same company your presnt one came from for another $400. MS and Sony are the two biggest fishes in the pond ,sony being the biggest.Remember sony's history , they have been known to do some foolish things over the years to try and corner the market just like MS has done in OS for PC's.

Blu-ray disc players are touted to come out at around $1000. If you think paying half that much for a machine that plays decent games at full high-definition resolution is silly, then so be it. While I can't justify the cost of me buying one at launch, I think it's a very attractive proposition.

I don't think it's silly, but these systems are starting to go over the top on price . It might not stop you or me from buying one but the average consumer will have a hard time affording all these new toys. The only thing that slows me down is my wife, she thinks I should I should still be playing my old sega 32X. She told me I am crazy and reverting back to my teenage years,just wait until she heres how much the Ps3 is going to cost.

UHALL I plan on paying 160ish for a uber DVD wtier(http://www.directron.com/px716al.html) its one of the best of the current CD thru Dual layer +/- format writers to date,BLue ray and HD be damned between price and format wars it wont be worth it Untill 08 even by then it might need a year or 2 to mature enough to be the repalcements for DVD storage....as for repalceing DVD video......bah... sammorris if the media is no more than 20 pop and at minuim store 20GB I'd be happy to buy a 500$ drive but sicne this makes the DVD format wars look like childish sibling ralery its goign to take awhile for them to becoem "normal".

I have the 716-A excelent burner, it's well worth the money. Plextor makes great writers.

I have 2 DVD buners 1 is a frist gen LG SUper Multi Drive for 80$ 2 years ago its an OK DVD buner,my other DVD drive I got when I bought a USB 2.0 Alluminum box off Ebay and it had a drive i it seems the seller forgot to add it *L* anyway its a generic lite on Sony DVD buner after useing frimware upgrades and ticks I flashed it to a ture Liteon and doing so gave it basic DL DVD - writeing. I want to get 1 good uber DVD writer this year and so far thats it :3

Actually console prices have remained pretty static where I live. The Nintendo 64 in 1997 cost £250 new, the PS2 in 2001 £300 new, and the PS3 whenever is touted to be £300, so that's a mere 20% in 9/10 years, which is below even very modest rates of inflation. My LG GSA-4163B Writer suffices, writes anything and everything at a decent speed, and back in Autumn last year set me back about £40 (c. $70)

I think Sony is breaking through barriers, and I really believe that is the basis of their campaign with the ambitious release of the PS3. They are becoming more creative, but they are also trying to find new propositions to lure customers into buying consoles are more expensive prices to generate more profit. They can add a trip to Jamaica with the Sony console and I still wouldn't buy it if its more than 500$

the only way I'd spend 500 on a PS3 is 1.Full upgradeable Backword comaplity PS2,PSX (think 360 but with 80% support for Xbox) 2.HD 20-40 GB will be plenty saves me from buying a 50$ memcard >< sure memcards can be an option but I'd rather just us onboard HD...

Don't give sony so much credit, they aren't being creative they are being careful. This release is anything but ambitious, it is slow and deliberate from a company who can't afford to make a mistake.Read up a little on sony the company is having a bad year ,their stock is losing value daily. The Ps23 could make or break sony , thats all nothing more.

UHALL if its as bad as the 360s launch it will probly kill sony or close to it....

Boh, im not much of a fan for Microsucks, and I am not a huge fan of Sony either. But, I must say I like Sony better. Bill Gates Windows is tortureware, software that tortures the Hell out of people just to keep up with it. The Xbox isn't far from it, you have to pay to play online, its full of errors, and the games for the most part suck. So here is the verdict, more than 500$, refuse to buy PS3. Less than 500$ will consider it.

The Xbox is just fine and I will take windows over the alternitive linux anyday.Sony makes some good products, all I am saying is don't put Ps3 on a pedastal just yet they have not shown us anything yet.Sony has done nothing but talk a good talk, in the end they had better do more than talk.Say what you will about Xbox 360 for better or worse it exists and is not a hype anymore,even with all the bugs at the start the 360 is a good system. Before you start yelling, let me finish...I regret paying $400 + $350 in extras I will not do it agin. The jury is still out on the Ps3 and all we know about the price is it is going to be very $$$$. I am going to sit this one out for awhile maybe a year, then I might buy.

I installed Suse linux on my PC and to be honest didn't find it very useful, the one thing it needed to be able to do (use a USB modem) it failed miserably at, so all it's good for is playing Super Tux. :D:D I think the PS3's release is deliberately slow and careful, Sony can't afford to take any chances after seeing what happened when Microsoft did. Though I agree that generally microsoft stuff is poor (hardware and software, the only PC keyboard that's ever packed up was a microsoft one, how can a keyboard stop working of it's own accord? No coffee spills, no throwing out the window, none of that shinannigins, it just packed up!) including Office (well maybe not Photodraw, that does kind of rock), it's only poor because there's no damn good alternative, or wasn't. Open office is supposed to be good, and we know there are good alternatives to photodraw, but PD2000 is actually good (Hmmm competition?) With those words, I think we can see the root of the M$ conglomerate monopoly evil.

Sony better be good. Because the PS2's first release with unheard prices of 700$+ was ridiculous, more ridiculous then those who buy them at that price.

Lol that's one way of putting it!

@sammoris Why does your nickname remind me of some smoking brand? It must be subliminal advertising aimed towards children by the smoking company.

Smoking company Bass thirds!!! hehehe

Eh???

sammorris I think hot ice is smokeign all soemthign soemthing 0_o altho I prefer to chew my weed ......LOL I never have tried pot..lets face it I am stoned enough 0-o I wouldnt mind triyng Unix or Lunix or Wine if they fanily made a DX emluator for them so I could run win9x games but sicne they do not and have spotty support for programs and ahrdware...eh windose is evil but it turely is the only game in town unless you are a comp phyco 0-o

I don't need to be stoned Zippy, insomnia pretty much does it for me. lololll It has a better effect.

Hot_ice and just think what insomnia dose to my mind 0-o

I cannot possibly fathom what it would do to your mind... But I do see the end result, hehehehe crappy spelling.

Hot Ice hehehehe :P UHALL I just cant let the comment "Xbox is a fine system" go,maybe its fine to the horde of casual zombie gamers that the industry is constantly dumbing down games for..but to most gamers that want games the Xbox is ok at best but it dose not cut it by itself! the PS2 stands fine on its own for the most part,the Cube I feel is stuck between the PS2 and Xbox BTW play any RPGs on the Xbox? I know it had 2 or 3 low end odd RPGs and solemnities thos can better better than A class stuff (FF8,FFX,FFX2). Just asking I am planing to get a Xbox this year I know Ninja Gaiden Black and Halo 2 will be my first 2 games on it :3

I'm not even going to comment on being stoned. At my age, any form of stoning/wasting is illegal! I be just a mere boy!

I is not 30 >< *naws blankie* I have growing up issues to >>

Most of us are kids inside anyway, so I can't see much difference.

Sammoris, it seems you are pulling a Bill Clinton on us "I didn't inhale." LLOOLLOLL Bubba was a star.

Hot ice I though ti was I didint "inject" 0-o OMG I couldnt help myself its like almost all the Dubwa jokes its just to easy >< LOL

Zippy you seem like a pretty cool guy...but wtf are you saying dude!!!

HOt ice I am saying I refuse to grow and I am not 30(Last Bday was last month and I was born in 76 >> ) as I gnaw on my blankie. Realy its as simple as that. *L*

Holy shit dude, I actually saw almost no mistakes in that sentence! Everybody grows old, some become so old, and so ancient, they are actually rediscovered by archaeology lololollol I hope this cheers you up.

hot_ice crap much like my dad I am entering my 2nd childhood 0-o

o well dosent bother me really i will just get a wii and the games that arent on that my pc will be strong enough to run until i save up for a ps3 and so on

never read the date i tjought this was for the march 2007 delay opps forgot they had a delay already in march 2006 how sonyishi