Blu-ray Macs coming at Macworld?

ah well even the mac isn't vulnerable to the onset of the MPAA media lock down with DRM-Ray and the totally anti consumer HDCP HDMI DRM and DRM-Ray BD+.

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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ah well even the mac isn't vulnerable to the onset of the MPAA media lock down with DRM-Ray and the totally anti consumer HDCP HDMI DRM and DRM-Ray BD+.

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Don't they put some kind of copy protection on their itunes media they sell?

copy protection is nothing new to anyone so i dont understand why so many people get bent out of shape. if man made it man can break it. but i understand why the companys do it. they are just trying to protect their investments. and everyone here knows if they have something of value they want to protect it too. And if you made something you would want to protect that too so you could make more money. you cant give everything away for free!

Originally posted by banshee07:

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copy protection is nothing new to anyone so i dont understand why so many people get bent out of shape. if man made it man can break it. but i understand why the companys do it. they are just trying to protect their investments. and everyone here knows if they have something of value they want to protect it too. And if you made something you would want to protect that too so you could make more money. you cant give everything away for free!

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arrhhh somebody that makes sense. there is still hope.

Originally posted by banshee07:

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copy protection is nothing new to anyone so i dont understand why so many people get bent out of shape. if man made it man can break it. but i understand why the companys do it. they are just trying to protect their investments. and everyone here knows if they have something of value they want to protect it too. And if you made something you would want to protect that too so you could make more money. you cant give everything away for free!

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people like nobrainer need a reality check because everyone puts protection on media.be it video games to movies to music.it can be cracked so dont get all mushy and sensitive bout it.nobody cares if you wanna cry about drm but blu-ray is still where it's at.

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Originally posted by nobrainer:

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ah well even the mac isn't vulnerable to the onset of the MPAA media lock down with DRM-Ray and the totally anti consumer HDCP HDMI DRM and DRM-Ray BD+.

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Don't they put some kind of copy protection on their itunes media they sell?

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Yeah, but the irony is Jobs sent that open letter to all of the media companies, stating they should drop DRM altogether, and the iTunes store recently set off a trend of non-DRM music stores.

Well DRM is crap on downloadable content, but why does it matter that a disc format still intends on using it?

Originally posted by banshee07:

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copy protection is nothing new to anyone so i dont understand why so many people get bent out of shape. if man made it man can break it. but i understand why the companys do it. they are just trying to protect their investments. and everyone here knows if they have something of value they want to protect it too. And if you made something you would want to protect that too so you could make more money. you cant give everything away for free!

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but when it makes incompatibilities with existing hardware or software because they want to lock up everything and have all media ringing home for authorisation its taking the pi$$ frankly! or when a DRM service ceases you lose all content you purchased!

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/03/netflix-and-hd-a-drm.html

Originally posted by FTA link:

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I recently purchased a new HD monitor, but when I installed it, I lost the streaming capabilities on Netflix's website. When I tried to troubleshoot the issue, I had to agree to let Netflix "reset my DRM" by destroying my Amazon.com files. After talking with Netflix's technical support, I learned that the real issue had to do with the HD capabilities of my PC setup. Because Hollywood wants to punish people for using technology that is outside of their protocol, they are denying me access to low resolution internet videos until I downgrade my monitor to standard definition.

As if DRM isn't evil enough already, I now have to give up access to files I've already bought and even then might not be allowed access unless I have specific approved HD equipment that allows Hollywood to control how I consume my media content. I understand that content owners want to be able to charge for their content, but something is wrong when their DRM won't even allow you to pay to use their product.

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Originally posted by nobrainer:

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ah well even the mac isn't vulnerable to the onset of the MPAA media lock down with DRM-Ray and the totally anti consumer HDCP HDMI DRM and DRM-Ray BD+.

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I got aliens in my house holding me hostage too with plasmas guns.Trying to take away my rights....lol

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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but when it makes incompatibilities with existing hardware or software because they want to lock up everything and have all media ringing home for authorisation its taking the pi$$ frankly! or when a DRM service ceases you lose all content you purchased!

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So whats the purpose if they going to sell you hardware or software that has incompatibilities.Those incompatibilities are there so you can't steal there content.Not spy on you like you think.What reason would they have to spy on you....lol If your not doing anything illegal? sound more like fear from you than concern.

Originally posted by banshee07:

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copy protection is nothing new to anyone so i dont understand why so many people get bent out of shape. if man made it man can break it. but i understand why the companys do it. they are just trying to protect their investments. and everyone here knows if they have something of value they want to protect it too. And if you made something you would want to protect that too so you could make more money. you cant give everything away for free!

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Thanks you for making sense of this issue thats isn't hard to understand but if i was a pirate i would have issues with DRM also.

Copy protection is nothing new, and no you don't have to be a pirate for it to worry you. It surprises me that so many people have no problem with BD+.

Drm is constantly evolving but BD+ is a giant leap into an Orwellian future. The idea of buying an expensive HD player that can be permanently bricked if you play a backup plain and simply sucks. Not only do you have to try and strip out drm, you then have to worry about firmware updates for your player that work against you not for you.

this reminds me of the whole Iphone firmware bs that’s going to continue for years to come, you can't use the phone the way you want to you can only use it the way your told to.

I don't own any HD players as of yet because the players and movies are still entirely too expensive. I use an upconvert player for my hd tv and guess what if I want to upconvert my movies through component video I have to back them up first to strip out drm. Good old hdcp tells me I need hdmi.

If I buy something I'm going to use it the way I want to. Just because there's a chance that someone is going to "pirate" something means that everyone else has to sift through the crap that's meant to stop the supposed pirates.

it doesnt matter anymore if apple supports blu-ray because warner switched to BLURAY only http://kotaku.com/340842/warner-bros-goe...-war-lingers-on bye hd-dvd bye bye hughjars bye bye no brainer

Yup,Warner picked Blu-Ray!
There's some info on http://www.doom9.org/ and their views are more or less negative for valid reasons that I agree with.
I'm not looking forward to all the smug Blu-Ray fans laughing at all the HD-DVD fans but for those who remained neutral,you can now, more or less, see a winning format to settle with.
I hope Sony will consider the public's views about backing up their own purchased content even if it is stuffed with DRM and I would really like region locking completely scrapped.If they free Blu-Ray from all this strict anti-consumer crap then I'll be truly happy with an end to this dumb HD format war.However, I don't expect it for one moment.
So let's all raise a glass to the beginning of the end of the BS HD format war.Cheers....

Originally posted by ChromeMud:

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Yup,Warner picked Blu-Ray!
There's some info on http://www.doom9.org/ and their views are more or less negative for valid reasons that I agree with.
I'm not looking forward to all the smug Blu-Ray fans laughing at all the HD-DVD fans but for those who remained neutral,you can now, more or less, see a winning format to settle with.
I hope Sony will consider the public's views about backing up their own purchased content even if it is stuffed with DRM and I would really like region locking completely scrapped.If they free Blu-Ray from all this strict anti-consumer crap then I'll be truly happy with an end to this dumb HD format war.However, I don't expect it for one moment.
So let's all raise a glass to the beginning of the end of the BS HD format war.Cheers....

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actually i feel bad for all those buyers that went out & got those HD-DVD players for 98 to 200 bucks i seen this coming because HD-DVD was cutting there players prices to low almost like a fire sale i guess thats what it was.Just think about all those player people got are now useless.I really do feel bad for them because they seen it as a bargain.But on the other hand all those red ants that talk smack i really don't care for them because they was as informed as i was & they knew HD-DVD was getting outsold really bad the hold year but they kept bring false hopes,misinformation,PR spins to these treads.

Toshiba knew this was comming. why else would they dump old stock? if they can sell it for $98 at a loss and make a lil back why not? i dont blame them one bit. But where is all the guys that was saying wait till CES and you will see that hd-dvd will stomp Blu-ray? can you say crying in the corner. boo hoo Nooo Warner say it isnt so noooooooooo dont do this to us all 200,000 of us that bought hd-dvd

double post sorry

I have taken sides in the past and defended them to the end and lost.
No-one wants to lose,and I sympathise with those that have spent their hard earned cash in investments that eventualy bomb.
HD-DVD had a lot of good reasons to side with that were consumer friendly but I decided to stay neutral because even though I hated a lot of the BS that came from the Blu-Ray camp,I appreciated the technology enough to consider it as an equal to HD-DVD.
It was hard to ignore the Sony Trojan Horse that is the PS3.It seems that the gamble has paid off and has spearheaded both a gaming platform and a HD movie format.
What really would be great,is for every PS3 owner to be silently smug rather than a billion told-you-so's that will infuriate every HD-DVD backer out there.One can dream!

Originally posted by banshee07:

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Toshiba knew this was comming. why else would they dump old stock? if they can sell it for $98 at a loss and make a lil back why not? i dont blame them one bit. But where is all the guys that was saying wait till CES and you will see that hd-dvd will stomp Blu-ray? can you say crying in the corner. boo hoo Nooo Warner say it isnt so noooooooooo dont do this to us all 200,000 of us that bought hd-dvd

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lol hd-dvd fanboys got played lmao and people thought just because it's sony they're going to lose.its not only sony that'smaking blu-ray it's Matsushita, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, Samsung, and Sony.hd-dvd is made by toshiba and NEC(CRAP>??????)

BOOHOOO

edit sorry the companies for bluray are:
* Apple
* Dell
* Hewlett Packard
* Hitachi
* LG Electronics
* Mitsubishi Electric
* Panasonic (Matsushita Electric)
* Pioneer Corporation
* Royal Philips Electronics
* Samsung Electronics
* Sharp Corporation
* Sony Corporation
* Sun Microsystems
* TDK Corporation
* Thomson
* Twentieth Century Fox
* Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group / Buena Vista Home Entertainment
* Warner Home Video Inc.

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lol hd-dvd fanboys got played lmao and people thought just because it's sony they're going to lose.its not only sony that'smaking blu-ray it's Matsushita, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, Samsung, and Sony.hd-dvd is made by toshiba and NEC(CRAP>??????)

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DRM-Ray is the format of choice of the MPAA and its all about locking down content to stop piracy, this is why warner has shifted position. do you actually think that the digital switch over is about a better product? there is no way to stop piracy from the internet now because every PC is a peer, so the only option is to control the hardware, and that's exactly what is happening with HDMI HDCP (High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection) its about closing the analogue hole and making content incompatible! the MPAA do not like Hd-DvD because of the lack of the global price fixing tool which is region coding, and DRM-Ray has more DRM than HD-DvD, with BD+, DRM only on BLU-Ray studios can run ANY code they wish in the name of protecting their media, including phone home authorisation and the ability to disable your player if its found to be running a hack!

CUE NEXTGEN, to say if your not a pirate why worry about DRM b*ll*cks while we all lose our rights and eventually have to purchase licences for the number of ppl in our home and the media becomes locked to our address so we can't lend or sell it on!
















AND WE ALL KNOW SONY'S EULA!

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2005/11/now...-sony-bmgs-eula

Originally posted by EFF LINK:

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1. If your house gets burgled, you have to delete all your music from your laptop when you get home. That's because the EULA says that your rights to any copies terminate as soon as you no longer possess the original CD.
2. You can't keep your music on any computers at work. The EULA only gives you the right to put copies on a "personal home computer system owned by you."
3. If you move out of the country, you have to delete all your music. The EULA specifically forbids "export" outside the country where you reside.
4. You must install any and all updates, or else lose the music on your computer. The EULA immediately terminates if you fail to install any update. No more holding out on those hobble-ware downgrades masquerading as updates.
5. Sony-BMG can install and use backdoors in the copy protection software or media player to "enforce their rights" against you, at any time, without notice. And Sony-BMG disclaims any liability if this "self help" crashes your computer, exposes you to security risks, or any other harm.
6. The EULA says Sony-BMG will never be liable to you for more than $5.00. That's right, no matter what happens, you can't even get back what you paid for the CD.
7. If you file for bankruptcy, you have to delete all the music on your computer. Seriously.
8. You have no right to transfer the music on your computer, even along with the original CD.
9. Forget about using the music as a soundtrack for your latest family photo slideshow, or mash-ups, or sampling. The EULA forbids changing, altering, or make derivative works from the music on your computer.

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