DivX Certified Panasonic Blu-ray player headed to Europe

Why purchase next gen to then reduce the quality this is absolutely pointless why not just stick with DVD as a 720p film already fits easily onto a dvd if you drop the countless trailers, fbi warnings, and pointless extras that are there to justify the extortionate price, and play it via an up-scaling dvd player that is as good quality, at a fraction of the price?

blu-ray divx has to be the most pointless format ever, other than for in game CGI which sucks as games are meant to be played not watched!

The Panasonic DMP-BD50 can play 1080i/1080p DivX HD files.

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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Why purchase next gen to then reduce the quality this is absolutely pointless why not just stick with DVD as a 720p film already fits easily onto a dvd if you drop the countless trailers, fbi warnings, and pointless extras that are there to justify the extortionate price, and play it via an up-scaling dvd player that is as good quality, at a fraction of the price?

blu-ray divx has to be the most pointless format ever, other than for in game CGI which sucks as games are meant to be played not watched!

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Maybe some people have media with DivX on it and just want to be able to watch it? What's the problem with that? Added playback functionality is a plus for some people that don't want to be limited as to what they can watch.

Originally posted by goodswipe:

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Maybe some people have media with DivX on it and just want to be able to watch it? What's the problem with that?

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Exactly. Plus there are files out there that have been encoded in DivX HD at 1080i and 1080p. You can burn these to a disc and the new Panny BD50 will have the ability to play these files at full resolution. The Panny's UniPhier video decoder chip was recently certified for DivX HD playback.

Like I said in another thread I might just eBay my BD30 and get this player when it comes out.

Originally posted by eatsushi:

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Exactly. Plus there are files out there that have been encoded in DivX HD at 1080i and 1080p. You can burn these to a disc and the new Panny BD50 will have the ability to play these files at full resolution. The Panny's UniPhier video decoder chip was recently certified for DivX HD playback.

Like I said in another thread I might just eBay my BD30 and get this player when it comes out.

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Indeed, I have a DivX movie that can't be played on my Tosh HD DVD player, so I took it to a buddies house that has a nice upscaling player and the movie looks excellent! Damn near HD quality. So I'm sure it would only look better on the BD player who's upscaling capabilites are great.

Bring back Stage6.

@ goodswipe / eatsushi

DIVX is a compression codec, understand, so what's the next + point, home movies on the sony handcam?

ok a 1080p film will NOT fit onto a dvd so it has to be put onto a bd r, so why reduce the quality when you are using the same media/discs that you are taking the content from, that currently cost in excess of £20+?

if you just put a HD 720p onto a dvd and play it back through an up-scaling dvd player it actually has a purpose, PRICE as its the same HD quality for pennies as, dvd up-scalers start at £40 rather than £300+.

divx on a blu-ray player for 1080p flicks downsampled, lmao!

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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@ goodswipe / eatsushi

DIVX is a compression codec, understand, so what's the next + point, home movies on the sony handcam?

ok a 1080p film will NOT fit onto a dvd so it has to be put onto a bd r, so why reduce the quality when you are using the same media/discs that you are taking the content from, that currently cost in excess of £20+?

if you just put a HD 720p onto a dvd and play it back through an up-scaling dvd player it actually has a purpose but, PRICE as its the same HD quality for pennies as dvd up-scalers start at £40 rather than £300+ divx on a blu-ray player for 1080p flicks downsampled, lmao!

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Hmm, I know what DivX is, I don't need you to point that out - LOL! All I was saying is that added playback functionality is a plus for some people that don't want to be limited as to what they can watch. I understand what you are saying, but if I already have a bunch of DivX files, and I own this player, I can still watch them - IT'S JUST AN ADDED FEATURE!! And besides, if someone has their mind made up that they are going to purchase a BD player, what does that matter? Ever think that some people would rather buy the actual media, instead of d/l or rip it?

I've been re-encoding high-def TS files recorded from my HD cable box to HD DVD format. A 40-minute episode of Heroes or CSI can fit into a single layer DVD with the 1080i and DD5.1 intact. These discs play as HD DVD on my Toshiba player.

With this new Panasonic I think you'll be able to do the same this time using Divx HD. You don't need to put the media into a BD-R disc. Most of these files should fit into a single layer DVD or dual layer DVD+R. This new Panasonic player can play these files no matter what media they're on. There's no upscaling since your source and your files are 720p/1080i.

@ eatsushi

dual layer dvd is still around £2 a disc where single layer's cost as little as £0.05 per disc, divx was primarily used to squeeze dvd's down to cd size to save cost. if you are only using it for a 30 or 40 min show then it will fit but if you want to encode a 1 1/2 hour+ film the price voids any benefits gained from reducing the quality through utilising the divx codec. Blu-Ray DivX is pointless!

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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Blu-Ray DivX is pointless!

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That's your opinion. I know people who would value DivX and DivX HD playback in a standalone high def player.

eatsushi: I think nobrainer misunderstood the whole thing. I suspect he thinks the player will only play DivX if it's on BluRay media. This is obviously not the case. I think you can play any DivX or DivX HD file evne if it's in a regular DVD. I'm also suspecting that with an ethernet port on the BD50 there's the possibility that you could stream the media to the player (like the Pioneer Elite model.)

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I'm also suspecting that with an ethernet port on the BD50 there's the possibility that you could stream the media to the player (like the Pioneer Elite model.)

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That would be nice. I got tons of media I would love to shoot it's way.

I think its good a product like this hit the market, imagine putting your movie files in a Blue ray disc which can hold 30 gb of storage.
1 cd = 700 mb = 1 movie
1 dvd = 4.7 Gb = 6 movies
1 BR disc = 30 gb = ? (who knows the actual size of usable media)

i wished they get with the program and add MKV X264 HD and WMVHD that would be alot better then divx.

Originally posted by david89:

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i wished they get with the program and add MKV X264 HD and WMVHD that would be alot better then divx.

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OMG! If that happened, I could die happy, x264 is an amazing codec. It's definite king in quality between xvid and divx when it comes to higher bitrates. But Xvid and Divx, I consider, still to be great at lower bitrates (< 1000 kbps).

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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Why purchase next gen to then reduce the quality this is absolutely pointless why not just stick with DVD as a 720p film already fits easily onto a dvd if you drop the countless trailers, fbi warnings, and pointless extras that are there to justify the extortionate price, and play it via an up-scaling dvd player that is as good quality, at a fraction of the price?

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Yes, it is true that a film in 720p film can be compressed enough to fit onto a DVD. However, do regular DVD players play 720p (1280 x 720) media? The answer is NO!

A regular DVD player can only decode a maximum resolution of 576p for PAL (720 x 576) or 480p for NTSC (720 x 480).

**Remember, decoding capabilities and output resolution are two completely different things. An up-convert DVD player decodes SD material (480i/480p/576i/576p) and resamples it up to 720p/1080i/1080p**

By the way, where do you obtain media that is originally sold in 720p format?? HD-DVD and Blu-ray are 1080i/1080p. DVD's are either 576i/576p (PAL) or 480i/480p (NTSC). So, my point is that anything in 720p has either been captured from DTV or re-encoded from a 1080i/1080p source. For myself if I want to convert something from 1080p or 1080i to 720p, then I usually choose DivX/Xvid (mpeg4 ASP) or AVC (h264) as my choice of codec.

Blu-ray players obviously already have the power to play 1080p media, so why not include a DivX (HD profile) decoder chip too? This will allow HD (720p/1080p) media to be played in the DivX format from either DVD media or Blu-ray media.

If you are going to comment about compression technology then I suggest you first do some extensive research before you make comments that show how little you know about this. Heed this warning, I have spent a ridiculous amount of time working with digital media and DivX has been a big part of my earlier experience. So if you want to argue about this, then I am confident that I can counter everything you say on this argument.

I know I am being abrupt to you but I have had enough of your negative posts all through Afterdawn. I have not once seen you post something positive and/or in any way helpful.

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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@ goodswipe / eatsushi

DIVX is a compression codec, understand

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No, nobrainer... Do you understand?

A few questions come to mind:

If you take a 30 min video file from an hd source and convert it to a divx file or an .avi file and keep the 1080p then burn it on a dvd to pay on here will it work? I understand actual DVD-Video res is not HD.
Or will you have to burn it on a BD-R?

So what I am saying is can any other video file besides a .mkv hold HD resolution, like a divx or avi?

If you can't burn HD content on a DVD then what about adding a USB drive to the BR player?

I have a lot of 700mb movies that would be nice to be able to burn about 150 of them on a BD-R.

Originally posted by c1c:

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A few questions come to mind:

If you take a 30 min video file from an hd source and convert it to a divx file or an .avi file and keep the 1080p then burn it on a dvd to pay on here will it work?

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Yes it will, the ability to play HD-rez DivX movies is the key point here -- people are here mixing "upscaling of non-HD DivX" and "playing HD DivX with no resolution tweaking". Panasonic player offers both. And yes, well-encoded HD material fits on one standard DVDR. Most movies in 720p (even 1080p) resolution, using latest DivX with standard AC3 audio and no menus should fit nicely on single layer DVDR with no significant quality loss (should beat upscaled DVD any given day).

Originally posted by c1c:

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A few questions come to mind:

If you take a 30 min video file from an hd source and convert it to a divx file or an .avi file and keep the 1080p then burn it on a dvd to pay on here will it work? I understand actual DVD-Video res is not HD.
Or will you have to burn it on a BD-R?

So what I am saying is can any other video file besides a .mkv hold HD resolution, like a divx or avi?

If you can't burn HD content on a DVD then what about adding a USB drive to the BR player?

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c1c, as I mentioned in my previous post...

Originally posted by Ryu77:

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Blu-ray players obviously already have the power to play 1080p media, so why not include a DivX (HD profile) decoder chip too? This will allow HD (720p/1080p) media to be played in the DivX format from either DVD media or Blu-ray media.

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Now as you can see dRD has also stated this. The resolution you set for a video stream is more about user choice. More often than not, it will be quite easy to create a video file with whatever resolution, bitrate etc. we like. It is the stand alone player that will be the biggest hurdle when playing media. Most codecs offer profile levels that will restrict things like resolution, bitrate, advanced encoding options etc.. This is designed to ensure that we can make video streams that are guaranteed to play on a specific or range of devices.

Even good ol' mpeg2 (this is the same codec used on DVD's) can be used to create HD video, the only difference is the profile level. On DVD's mpeg2 is considered "main profile" where as on HD material (Bluray/HD-DVD) it is "high profile". DTV broadcasts are actually transmitted using mpeg2.

Originally posted by c1c:

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I have a lot of 700mb movies that would be nice to be able to burn about 150 of them on a BD-R.

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While I admire your optimistic thinking. I will grab a calculator for you my friend... 700mb x 150 = 105,000mb. I don't think quad layer BD-R's have been quite perfected yet. :-P

Originally posted by david89:

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i wished they get with the program and add MKV X264 HD and WMVHD that would be alot better then divx.

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Originally posted by supusonic:

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OMG! If that happened, I could die happy, x264 is an amazing codec. It's definite king in quality between xvid and divx when it comes to higher bitrates. But Xvid and Divx, I consider, still to be great at lower bitrates (< 1000 kbps).

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Matroska (mkv) is a completely open container format, so that means you can put any type of video, audio & subtitle media into it and it will still play on your PC (provided you have the right Direct Show filters installed). I also would love to see Matroska support to happen but to fully support Matroska (mkv) on a stand alone player is virtually impossible. On that note, x264 (h264) and WMV-HD (VC-1) are basically already on board as it is mandatory for Blu-ray players to support these two codecs along with mpeg2. I am not sure if stand alone Blu-ray players will play h264 or VC-1 from a user created container format as my Blu-ray player is my PS3 so I can't comment there. However, I can confirm that the PS3 can play user created h264 HD movies from a m2ts, mp4 or VOB (as strange as it seems, h264 in a mpeg2 (VOB) container... ??? All I know is it does work!).


BTW dRD, I remember having an argu... constructive conversation about re-encoding 1080p movies to fit onto a DVD9 back in August 2007... http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/548659/3319894

I wish you could have been around that thread then.


EDIT: Look what I just found on that August 2007 thread...

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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if you strip out all the unnecessary languages, flashy menus, crap and tacky extras and just keep the film with your preferred audio there will be little or no drop in quality when ripped to a dvd9.

Q. who purchases a dvd/blu-ray/hd-dvd fro the extras and commentaries ect?

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And a quote from this thread...

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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ok a 1080p film will NOT fit onto a dvd so it has to be put onto a bd r, so why reduce the quality when you are using the same media/discs that you are taking the content from, that currently cost in excess of £20+?

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Q. What is the definition of contradiction? A. nobrainer.

Even though nobrainer was obviously backing up my point in August 2007, I still feel it is contradictory to his argument here today.

Originally posted by ryu:

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EDIT: Look what I just found on that August 2007 thread...

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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if you strip out all the unnecessary languages, flashy menus, crap and tacky extras and just keep the film with your preferred audio there will be little or no drop in quality when ripped to a dvd9.

Q. who purchases a dvd/blu-ray/hd-dvd fro the extras and commentaries ect?

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And a quote from this thread...

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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ok a 1080p film will NOT fit onto a dvd so it has to be put onto a bd r, so why reduce the quality when you are using the same media/discs that you are taking the content from, that currently cost in excess of £20+?

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Q. What is the definition of contradiction? A. nobrainer.

Even though nobrainer was obviously backing up my point in August 2007, I still feel it is contradictory to his argument here today.

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wow trolling through old posts to find a way to back up your ideas omg you been taking a leaf out of the PR spin lobbyiest books?

as i stated in this thread you can fit a 720p onto a dvd9 and that means losing the HD sound and down converting to old 5.1, but not the 1 1/2 to 2 hour film in 1080p as you are claiming. the introduction of divx support is a benefit for games and if there is a financial reduction but if you even drop the quality to 720p on a dvd9 you still have to pay £2 per disc, much higher than a dvd5 which you can purchase for as little as £0.05, or have reduced quality on a BD R disc that cost £20+ rendering the format pointless, why use a codec to reduce the quality of the video, to only put it onto the same media type?

as i stated the format (divx,xvid) was introduced as a way to squeeze a dvd film to fit onto a cdr with the best quality possible in sound and picture to save on the cost of dvd +/- media, this is impossible on blu-ray with a full 1080p picture and HD sound not just 5.1, as you can only fit it onto a bdr disc.

btw. trying to prove someone wrong does not make you win an argument no matter how much the lobbyists seem to think.

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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wow trolling through old posts to find a way to back up your ideas omg you been taking a leaf out of the PR spin lobbyiest books?

as i stated in this thread you can fit a 720p onto a dvd9 and that means losing the HD sound and down converting to old 5.1, but not the 1 1/2 to 2 hour film in 1080p as you are claiming. the introduction of divx support is a benefit for games and if there is a financial reduction but if you even drop the quality to 720p on a dvd9 you still have to pay £2 per disc, much higher than a dvd5 which you can purchase for as little as £0.05, or have reduced quality on a BD R disc that cost £20+ rendering the format pointless, why use a codec to reduce the quality of the video, to only put it onto the same media type?

as i stated the format (divx,xvid) was introduced as a way to squeeze a dvd film to fit onto a cdr with the best quality possible in sound and picture to save on the cost of dvd +/- media, this is impossible on blu-ray with a full 1080p picture and HD sound not just 5.1, as you can only fit it onto a bdr disc.

btw. trying to prove someone wrong does not make you win an argument no matter how much the lobbyists seem to think.

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That last part was a result of looking up that thread to mention it to dRD, then I happened to notice little nobrainer posted there. Am I too blame if I have a good memory for remembering a previous discussion about a related topic?

I compiled plenty of information over 2 posts here before you posted back. Did you read the post above c1c's and dRD's posts? Anyway, more to the point it is irrelevant how old that thread was. A Man of integrity never sways from his beliefs. His ideas and opinions will remain consistent.

From the content I posted here can't you see I know enough about DivX to make statements that are based from facts rather than from Sony hating rubbish.

All of what you are saying is rubbish. DivX was not made for games. What are you talking about? Yes, you can fit a re-encoded 1080p movie onto a DVD9. It wont be as good as the original Blu-ray source but it will be a whole lot better than SD DVD. You even said so in that August 2007 thread I quoted. It's right there in plain English!

How do you go through life the way you do? Can you post me a link where you have said something positive or offered help as almost every other "real" AV enthusiast does here?

Can't you find something else to talk about except DRM? Don't you get it?? People attract to positive people in this World.

Originally posted by Ryu77:

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All of what you are saying is rubbish. DivX was not made for games. What are you talking about? Yes, you can fit a re-encoded 1080p movie onto a DVD9. It wont be as good as the original Blu-ray source but it will be a whole lot better than SD DVD. You even said so in that August 2007 thread I quoted. It's right there in plain English!

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i see you never even bothered to read my post then!

Originally posted by myself above post that you even quoted ryu:

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as i stated the format (divx,xvid) was introduced as a way to squeeze a dvd film to fit onto a cdr with the best quality possible in sound and picture to save on the cost of dvd +/- media, this is impossible on blu-ray with a full 1080p picture and HD sound not just 5.1, as you can only fit it onto a bdr disc.

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divx for a backup codec is pointless on blu-ray unless its home movies with the wife/mistress then that's worth the price of the disc but why reduce the quality to put it onto the same media with no benefit whatsoever to normal consumers as there is NO financial gain and btw a 720p encoded dvd looks exactly the same as and on a small screen <50" at the normal 10 feet there is little difference in picture quality imho i'd stick with DVD up-scaled over an expensive pointless format.

one benefit is that divx can be utilised for in game video which is an improvement over the vcd format that was used for in game video! maybe sony are planning an advertising campaign all encoded in divx!

nobrainer, a regular DVD is not 720p! It is either 576p or 480p. DivX/DivX HD does not have to be on Blu-ray media!

Please read my post above dRD's!

If you don't want to read my post then please do some research about this.

PS: Please excuse me for wording my point about DivX poorly. What I meant to say was DivX wasn't created only for in game video (CGI etc.). You obviously already know that which backs up my whole point even further.

Awesome! More and more of my DivX encodes are HD, some in 720p, most in 1080p. With such a player I'm able to not only play Blurays but Divx as well ...
On the other hand, I can do that already with my PS3. But for people who don't have a PS3, this is good news.

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Originally posted by Ryu77:

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All of what you are saying is rubbish. DivX was not made for games. What are you talking about? Yes, you can fit a re-encoded 1080p movie onto a DVD9. It wont be as good as the original Blu-ray source but it will be a whole lot better than SD DVD. You even said so in that August 2007 thread I quoted. It's right there in plain English!

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i see you never even bothered to read my post then!

Originally posted by myself above post that you even quoted ryu:

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as i stated the format (divx,xvid) was introduced as a way to squeeze a dvd film to fit onto a cdr with the best quality possible in sound and picture to save on the cost of dvd +/- media, this is impossible on blu-ray with a full 1080p picture and HD sound not just 5.1, as you can only fit it onto a bdr disc.

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divx for a backup codec is pointless on blu-ray unless its home movies with the wife/mistress then that's worth the price of the disc but why reduce the quality to put it onto the same media with no benefit whatsoever to normal consumers as there is NO financial gain and btw a 720p encoded dvd looks exactly the same as and on a small screen <50" at the normal 10 feet there is little difference in picture quality imho i'd stick with DVD up-scaled over an expensive pointless format.

one benefit is that divx can be utilised for in game video which is an improvement over the vcd format that was used for in game video! maybe sony are planning an advertising campaign all encoded in divx!

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Originally posted by Ryu77:

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nobrainer, a regular DVD is not 720p! It is either 576p or 480p. DivX/DivX HD does not have to be on Blu-ray media!

If you don't want to read my post then please do some research about this.

PS: Please excuse me for wording my point about DivX poorly. What I meant to say was DivX wasn't created only for in game video (CGI etc.). You obviously already know that which backs up my whole point even further.

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what part of "cannot fit" do you not understand? do you know about data size and disc space or are you being purposely obtuse

nobrainer, I am not the only one here that is saying DivX HD fits on regular DVD discs. Are you going to argue with dRD?...

Originally posted by dRD:

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Yes it will, the ability to play HD-rez DivX movies is the key point here -- people are here mixing "upscaling of non-HD DivX" and "playing HD DivX with no resolution tweaking". Panasonic player offers both. And yes, well-encoded HD material fits on one standard DVDR. Most movies in 720p (even 1080p) resolution, using latest DivX with standard AC3 audio and no menus should fit nicely on single layer DVDR with no significant quality loss (should beat upscaled DVD any given day).

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Originally posted by nobrainer:

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what part of "cannot fit" do you not understand? do you know about data size and disc space or are you being purposely obtuse

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Of course I understand how much data can fit on various types of media. CD-R = 650mb or 700mb, DVD+/-R = 4.7gb (4500mb usable space), DVD+/-R DL = 8.5gb (8000mb usable space), Blu-ray/BD-R = 25gb single layer or 50gb dual layer. Can I ask, do you understand the concept of bitrate and resolution choice? An end user of any decent video encoding application has the choice to manipulate these two variables as they see fit.

nobrainer, arguing with you is like trying to prove a point to a little Kid. It is amazing how in that August 2007 thread you said completely the opposite...

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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if you strip out all the unnecessary languages, flashy menus, crap and tacky extras and just keep the film with your preferred audio there will be little or no drop in quality when ripped to a dvd9.

Q. who purchases a dvd/blu-ray/hd-dvd fro the extras and commentaries ect?

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Link= http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/548659/3326015

I know much more than you think I do about video encoding, why don't you search the forums and you will see countless posts where I have helped others. Your posts are clearly coming from a Blu-ray/Sony hating perspective. I am saying this on behalf of all the Blu-ray enthusiasts here that enough is enough.

Check this thread I started where I have made 98 (and still going) helpful posts about various video and audio encoding techniques... http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/621809

Or even this one which is directly related to DivX encoding... http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/631677/3846916

I could post many more but I think you get the point. If you don't get the point, then you never will. I will just assume that I can't have any mature conversation with you and I will leave it at that.

I will finish on one small request, please let us be on the Blu-ray threads. We much prefer to have positive conversation about developing this technology further. No more DRM posts! No more Blu-ray hating posts. Please! We all get it... We are fully aware what DRM is. We all understand how much you don't like Blu-ray.

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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on a dvd9 you still have to pay £2 per disc, much higher than a dvd5 which you can purchase for as little as £0.05, or have reduced quality on a BD R disc that cost £20+ rendering the format pointless

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actually, it's your argument that is pointless regarding this question because dual layer dvd discs can be picked up from 50p each now - a quarter of what you claim. Even the most expensive, top quality verbatim DL discs only cost £ 1.40 maximum.

as for blu ray discs - I have no idea where you get that figure from and I suspect likemuch else in your theories - you invented it yourself - blu ray BD-R discs from verbatim cost £ 5.99 each at the moment - not the £ 20 plus that you have pulled out of your imagination.

everyone is allowed to have their opinion but please don't try to validate it with totally incorrect invented figures.

sources :
DL DVD discs : http://svp.co.uk/product/pidata_ritek_pr...plus_r_3662_box
Verbatim DL Discs : http://svp.co.uk/product/verbatim_dvd_pl...43562)_3436_box
Verbatim Blu Ray Discs ( see bottom of page ) http://svp.co.uk/category/blu_minus_ray_media_and_writers

Other BluRay players from Philips and Denon are getting DivX certification:

Philips BDP7200
Denon DVD-2500BTC1B/DVD-2500BTSP
Denon DVD-3800BDC1B/DVD-3800BDSP

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/12/blu...-get-divx-cert/