Woman kills child after he interrupts her 'Farmville' gaming

Tragic and sickening...how long until we can make jokes about it?

they need to shake the shit out of this chic till she dies

Her sentence should be death. Maybe someone, in the prison, where she is going, will carry out that sentence.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Tragic and sickening...how long until we can make jokes about it?

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22.3 years... and I'm counting the seconds.

Absolutely outrageous! what kind of human being is this? .. she is no human being, she is the scum of the earth, she deserves to rot for AT LEAST 25 years. are we so f**cked up as a people that we don't see what's important? it's all cannabis, alcohol and sex. there is no dignity in people like her, ROT IN HELL!

In all fairness a lot of young mothers, especially those without the guidance of a parent or grandparent have a really hard time with their babies. We have no idea what kind of situation this girl was in or what her state of mind was. For all we know this baby could be the product of a rape or an abusive relationship.. She could even be suffering from some serious post-partum depression which can and does cause a mother to endanger and even kill her children even if she doesn't realise it's happening.

Condemning her and knowing only a tiny fraction of her story is fairly ignorant.
The death of a child is a terrible thing but things are not always as the appear.

Gas it............

Originally posted by hikaricor:

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In all fairness a lot of young mothers, especially those without the guidance of a parent or grandparent have a really hard time with their babies. We have no idea what kind of situation this girl was in or what her state of mind was. For all we know this baby could be the product of a rape or an abusive relationship.. She could even be suffering from some serious post-partum depression which can and does cause a mother to endanger and even kill her children even if she doesn't realise it's happening.

Condemning her and knowing only a tiny fraction of her story is fairly ignorant.
The death of a child is a terrible thing but things are not always as the appear.

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I have said my peace, and as per the site rules i will say no more.

I feel sorry for her. She doesn't seem well. Farmville is an addiction to some just like anything, she would've killed the kid anyway, over anything.

She won't be playing Farmville anymore.

Originally posted by blackpusskat:

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She won't be playing Farmville anymore.

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maybe she can play with an electric wire and a wet sponge instead? /sarcasm

Originally posted by WW3:

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I have said my peace, and as per the site rules i will say no more.

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Originally posted by WW3:

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maybe she can play with an electric wire and a wet sponge instead?

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I see how well that worked out.

Originally posted by hikaricor:

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Originally posted by WW3:

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I have said my peace, and as per the site rules i will say no more.

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Originally posted by WW3:

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maybe she can play with an electric wire and a wet sponge instead? /sarcasm

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I see how well that worked out.

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my bad, i thought i put the /sarcasm switch in there, let me do it right now.

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it's all cannabis, alcohol and sex. there is no dignity in people like her, ROT IN HELL!

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What the *bleep* does that have to do with the article? Nothing at all. And seriously blaming cannabis, the last time I seen people smoke marijuana they didn't have the energy to go kill someone let alone get off the couch to eat their next chip. Know your facts before you blab your mouth off.

Secondly this woman clearly has issues that would cause her to shake her child in the first place; could be stress, could be postpartum considering the child was only 3 months old. I not saying it excuses her for what she did, but labeling her a monster off the hop is a tad aggressive. Shaking a baby or toddler is more common than people admit as well, and it doesn't take much for someone to get that little bit annoyed at crying if its dragged on for hours on end.

Last this report wasn't exactly very detailed, and I hope the reports on the actual trail *even tho she pleaded guilty they will still want to lay out the evidence hear why*; are more detailed to give us an understanding before we so prematurely judge the situation. Shame on her for killing her child, that's something she has to look at every time she see's a mirror; shame on those who judge without knowing all the facts, last time I checked we aren't god, nor are we nearly as innocent.

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it's all cannabis, alcohol and sex. there is no dignity in people like her, ROT IN HELL!

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What the *bleep* does that have to do with the article? Nothing at all. And seriously blaming cannabis, the last time I seen people smoke marijuana they didn't have the energy to go kill someone let alone get off the couch to eat their next chip. Know your facts before you blab your mouth off.

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It's not specifically this article, it's a cultural degeneration in general, take a look at this google search, what kind of genius makes a child smoke pot? did you smoke pot at 12 months, 18 months, 2,3,5 and 13 years of age? i would certainly think not. so why would a culture specifically support such acts? a forward culture would not, but this backwards culture seems to promote it.

cannabis is a gateway drug, there is no way to side step the truth, the sooner people realize what exactly they are doing the sooner we can more forward as a culture and as a nation.

the same thing goes for alcohol and sex, need i explain the effects that has on culture as well?

Originally posted by Mysttic:

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Secondly this woman clearly has issues that would cause her to shake her child in the first place; could be stress, could be postpartum considering the child was only 3 months old. I not saying it excuses her for what she did, but labeling her a monster off the hop is a tad aggressive. Shaking a baby or toddler is more common than people admit as well, and it doesn't take much for someone to get that little bit annoyed at crying if its dragged on for hours on end.

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I am not denying that, this was simply the first i have heard of this story, and obviously i was not alone. I am sorry for jumping the gun a little to quickly, but she does get what she deserves and that's the truth. it's a horrible story, and i simply reacted as i naturally would.

Originally posted by Mysttic:

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Last this report wasn't exactly very detailed, and I hope the reports on the actual trail *even tho she pleaded guilty they will still want to lay out the evidence hear why*; are more detailed to give us an understanding before we so prematurely judge the situation. Shame on her for killing her child, that's something she has to look at every time she see's a mirror; shame on those who judge without knowing all the facts, last time I checked we aren't god, nor are we nearly as innocent.

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your right, where not .. but that doesn't mean we cant watch each others backs whenever we feel something is amiss, i wish her neighbor would have checked up on her health status to be on the safe side, but that isn't an easy thing to do, we just need to keep an eye on those we know for anything that may or may not be different in the usual relationship we have with them.

Originally posted by WW3:

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it's all cannabis, alcohol and sex.

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Hate the player, not the game..

Originally posted by Morreale:

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Originally posted by WW3:

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it's all cannabis, alcohol and sex.

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Hate the player, not the game..

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Can't I hate both?

Originally posted by WW3:

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cannabis is a gateway drug, there is no way to side step the truth, the sooner people realize what exactly they are doing the sooner we can more forward as a culture and as a nation.

the same thing goes for alcohol and sex, need i explain the effects that has on culture as well?

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Hi I'd like to welcome you to the internet. Contrary to popular belief the internet is not part of the united states and not everyone shares your inane morality, "culture", and nationality. The sooner you (and others like you) realise this and remove your heads from your asses the sooner we can move forward as a species.

Originally posted by hikaricor:

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Originally posted by WW3:

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cannabis is a gateway drug, there is no way to side step the truth, the sooner people realize what exactly they are doing the sooner we can more forward as a culture and as a nation.

the same thing goes for alcohol and sex, need i explain the effects that has on culture as well?

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Hi I'd like to welcome you to the internet. Contrary to popular belief the internet is not part of the united states and not everyone shares your inane morality, "culture", and nationality. The sooner you (and others like you) realise this and remove your heads from your asses the sooner we can move forward as a species.

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o.0 wait, this isn't the intergalactic morality convention? I must have made a wrong turn in europe.. see you can try to flame, but I am not going for it.

That wasn't a flame, I was being honest.

Originally posted by hikaricor:

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That wasn't a flame, I was being honest.

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welcome to the internet, where sarcasm isn't always marked with irc switches.


.. It has been fun, but I have not gotten much sleep in the last 24 hours so I am off. I will reply to your reply when it is most convenient :P

Hey guys what's going on in this threa-

OH LAWDY.

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cannabis is a gateway drug,

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Now you see there is where I can argue a bit. All I was point out was cannabis isn't a gateway to cause violence. Oh sure drug lords can be violent if they don't get paid. Sure Cannabis is an escape from the reality of one's stress and is not any more healthy than alcohol or sex for that matter. But in no way shape or form can it cause anyone to be violent, quite the opposite in fact. That's all I saying. Does it make society better? Well first off I never claimed it did, so no need to defend or argue it. My point was strictly name me one case where a person got high of cannabis than killed someone, let alone get violent *which is possible, but not as likely* unless it was laced with some higher more dangerous form of contraband.

Otherwise WW3, I recognize intelligence where I see it, and I can agree with all other of your arguments presented to me.

i thought gta made people do this? where are all those assholes at now blaming violent games?

Let's try to keep this more on topic and less about weed, thanks haha

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Originally posted by Morreale:

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Originally posted by WW3:

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it's all cannabis, alcohol and sex.

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Hate the player, not the game..

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Can't I hate both?

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Uh no, that's just tomfoolery!

Originally posted by Mysttic:

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it's all cannabis, alcohol and sex. there is no dignity in people like her, ROT IN HELL!

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What the *bleep* does that have to do with the article? Nothing at all. And seriously blaming cannabis, the last time I seen people smoke marijuana they didn't have the energy to go kill someone let alone get off the couch to eat their next chip. Know your facts before you blab your mouth off.

Secondly this woman clearly has issues that would cause her to shake her child in the first place; could be stress, could be postpartum considering the child was only 3 months old. I not saying it excuses her for what she did, but labeling her a monster off the hop is a tad aggressive. Shaking a baby or toddler is more common than people admit as well, and it doesn't take much for someone to get that little bit annoyed at crying if its dragged on for hours on end.

Last this report wasn't exactly very detailed, and I hope the reports on the actual trail *even tho she pleaded guilty they will still want to lay out the evidence hear why*; are more detailed to give us an understanding before we so prematurely judge the situation. Shame on her for killing her child, that's something she has to look at every time she see's a mirror; shame on those who judge without knowing all the facts, last time I checked we aren't god, nor are we nearly as innocent.

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finally someone think clearly and not be bias about this! its a horrible thing that happened but it isnt black and white theres no point on putting our own spin on things and pointing fingers until we get more details from the trial.

i will admit that pic doesnt do her justice. she must have some issues

Originally posted by WW3:

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it's all cannabis, alcohol and sex. there is no dignity in people like her, ROT IN HELL!

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why is sex even in that category? there is nothing negative about it

Most likely was also on government assistance of some kind. This is why you don't give our tax dollars to people who cannot afford to have children in the first place.

The more kids you have, the less you get! Problem solved.

As a guy who was shaken as a baby, I'm getting a kick outta this discussion...

Her and Lebron James im sure hang out together

Originally posted by crunk15:

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Originally posted by WW3:

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it's all cannabis, alcohol and sex. there is no dignity in people like her, ROT IN HELL!

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why is sex even in that category? there is nothing negative about it

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Without sex there would be no children; without children there would be no adults...therefor, sex could be blamed for everything that man kind has ever done.

As for Cannabis, I assume you meant Marijuana, and not hemp? Not sure how this even applies to the story anyway...she smoked tobacco between baby shakes...if she had smoked marijuana, the second shake would not have happened. Perhaps we should blame Tobacco? Or maybe farmville, or Facebook, or god for giving her the arms that she used to kill her child? All of these would make a lot more sense than blaming the plant that was used to make the twine inside her couch (Cannabis), or the additive that makes her car run cleaner (alcohol).

Well, its the lady's fault...I was also an avid farmer, got to lv 78! but then I could see the effects it was having on my lifestyle, the sinking feeling in stomach that I got after not playing for even a single day...and I got to experience exactly how the smokers and drinkers feel..I've complete given up online gaming now..only casual games.

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I've complete given up online gaming now..only casual games.

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Farmville is a casual game...it is the very definition of casual game.

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did you smoke pot at 12 months, 18 months, 2,3,5 and 13 years of age?

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I did. Still do.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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I've complete given up online gaming now..only casual games.

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Farmville is a casual game...it is the very definition of casual game.

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Not quiet. It depends on how you choose to play it..you can play casually but Its not GTA..so no fun in that. You just have to play it seriously. And it has all these little rewards,ribbons and collectibles..specials,limited editions..you just can't get enough of it..it's damn addictive! and then at first they had a 70 level limit so I was like "okay I will just reach level 70 and thats it!" but then when I got to lv.67, they raised it to 90 and then past 100!! So finally I gave up...It's anything but casual..

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Not quiet. It depends on how you choose to play it..you can play casually but Its not GTA..so no fun in that. You just have to play it seriously. And it has all these little rewards,ribbons and collectibles..specials,limited editions..you just can't get enough of it..it's damn addictive! and then at first they had a 70 level limit so I was like "okay I will just reach level 70 and thats it!" but then when I got to lv.67, they raised it to 90 and then past 100!! So finally I gave up...It's anything but casual..

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But would it be enough to kill your kid? O_o

Pray for her - What she did is repulsive and sickening...Condemn the sin - pray for the sinner!

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Not quiet. It depends on how you choose to play it..you can play casually but Its not GTA..so no fun in that. You just have to play it seriously. And it has all these little rewards,ribbons and collectibles..specials,limited editions..you just can't get enough of it..it's damn addictive! and then at first they had a 70 level limit so I was like "okay I will just reach level 70 and thats it!" but then when I got to lv.67, they raised it to 90 and then past 100!! So finally I gave up...It's anything but casual..

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But would it be enough to kill your kid? O_o

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Well, It shows how much of involved the woman had gotten in the virtual world. Over the time as she played more and more her priorities subconsciously shifted from real world to virtual world..and aggregate of all these events led to her violent actions..I am sure she did not intend to kill her child there...but in the height of that one moment..

This is not about Farmville. I don't care what the news articles say. This is the culmination of many things in her life that have been interrupted by her child and her inability to handle it all. The police probably put it in the report that she was playing Farmville at the time and that became the story. Sensationalism is the norm these days. Anything for a good story. "Baby dies after being shaken" is far less attention grabbing (because its a tragically common occurrence) than "Farmville mom kills baby."

I'm not going to get into views on what her problems may have been and what should happen to her. But let's get off the "blame gaming" and "addictive gaming can cause someone to kill" bandwagon. I honestly don't think we are talking about someone with relatively normal circumstances whose life went into a downward spiral when she became addicted to Farmville.

Wow...I don't care what circumstances she was in or what problems she had. There is absolutely no excuse for what she did. Glad she'll have 25 years to think about it...

Two words: crazy eyes.

Stay away from those girls with the crazy eyes.

Originally posted by emugamer:

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This is not about Farmville. I don't care what the news articles say. This is the culmination of many things in her life that have been interrupted by her child and her inability to handle it all. The police probably put it in the report that she was playing Farmville at the time and that became the story. Sensationalism is the norm these days. Anything for a good story. "Baby dies after being shaken" is far less attention grabbing (because its a tragically common occurrence) than "Farmville mom kills baby."

I'm not going to get into views on what her problems may have been and what should happen to her. But let's get off the "blame gaming" and "addictive gaming can cause someone to kill" bandwagon. I honestly don't think we are talking about someone with relatively normal circumstances whose life went into a downward spiral when she became addicted to Farmville.

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Yea I totally agree with you. This is the real issue. It's easier ( and makes for better headlines) to blame murder on something than to actually try and analyze the situation and find out it is just like every other shaken baby case.

No matter what this lady's hangups were it is inexcusable that people should feel pity or try to explain away what she did. She is guilty of murder and a minimum 25 year sentence was way too light if you ask me. I hope she does not make it out of prison and it is likely she will not as even hardened criminals take a dim view of baby killers.

There are always options so that babies don't have to be a burden if you cannot handle it. She could have given the child up for adoption. Also there are safe haven laws in most states. Florida only gives the option of leaving a 3 day old but she could have gone to somewhere like Texas (where they can be 60 days) or New Mexico (where they can be up to 90 days old). I am sure she was probably thinking about killing that poor baby long before she actually did it.

It's more common than most think,this sort of thing goes on in every country & every city,it boils down to loss of community as that's what it takes to raise one,in other words it takes a whole village to raise kids & society in the western world has lost that aspect,this sort of thing happens every year here in NZ other times it's just child abuse that killed a kid.

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I am sure she was probably thinking about killing that poor baby long before she actually did it.

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To say this would imply intent to kill which would mean it was premeditated hence changing the charge to first degree murder, which was evident that it was planned or intended.

Also for you to say something like this also suggest you don't have kids. Do you have any idea what its like to have a crying baby scream for hours no matter if you sing, feed, change, dance, massage their back, walk and nothing still works! It can crawl under the most sane calm person's skin who had no history of violence what-so-ever.

I love how people talk that compassion shouldn't be discussed, or state the woman in this case has no right to defend and yet these same people have never been in a similar situation. So as much as you can say people shouldn't talk about a case this way or that, much the same way can be argued the opposite way. It's a person's right to have reasonable doubt and voice it so, if you don't like it then simply say I don't like it; but don't force your idealism on the rest of the world just because you believe you are right. When it comes right down to it, none of us are right, and neither is she for doing what she done, now she has to live with it and we don't, because by a weeks time this case will be forgotten to us but never for her.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Tragic and sickening...how long until we can make jokes about it?

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as soon as she is sentenced.

Originally posted by dEwMe:

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Wow...I don't care what circumstances she was in or what problems she had. There is absolutely no excuse for what she did. Glad she'll have 25 years to think about it...

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You clearly learned nothing from all the logical posts thus far. The death of a child especially at 3 months can happen in an instant. Intentional or not yes she deserves to be punished, but as I said before without knowing the circumstances or anything about her mental state neither you nor I have any business passing judgement on her. This isn't the first time a young mother has killed a child possibly in a surge of emotion and it won't be the last. The best we can hope for is that she gets the help she needs and can go on with her life.

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In all fairness a lot of young mothers, especially those without the guidance of a parent or grandparent have a really hard time with their babies. We have no idea what kind of situation this girl was in or what her state of mind was. For all we know this baby could be the product of a rape or an abusive relationship.. She could even be suffering from some serious post-partum depression which can and does cause a mother to endanger and even kill her children even if she doesn't realise it's happening.

Condemning her and knowing only a tiny fraction of her story is fairly ignorant.
The death of a child is a terrible thing but things are not always as the appear.

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Not all young mothers have hard times with their babies I'm 24 with a 1yr 9month old girl I always have time in my day/night for Facebook WHEN my daughter is having a nap or if she's with her dad or my parents for a few hours this person obviously hasn't got a good enough support system around her to help her even if its for a hour or two so she can have me time what she has done is terrible I feel for the kids dad and other family members

I'm not claiming they do, but it's more common than most people know.
Mostly I'm just trying to get some of these idiots to use their brains.

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I am sure she was probably thinking about killing that poor baby long before she actually did it.

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To say this would imply intent to kill which would mean it was premeditated hence changing the charge to first degree murder, which was evident that it was planned or intended.

Also for you to say something like this also suggest you don't have kids. Do you have any idea what its like to have a crying baby scream for hours no matter if you sing, feed, change, dance, massage their back, walk and nothing still works! It can crawl under the most sane calm person's skin who had no history of violence what-so-ever.

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You are incorrect. I do know what its like to have a baby scream and cry for hours on end and having to sit up all night so don't think you know anything about me. It is because I have had to deal with that and on more than one occasion that gives me no sympathy for anyone who would kill a child for any reason. Its you who seems like you're on the outside looking in if you think such an inconvenience warrants murder.

If anyone says they didn't have dark thoughts about their kids at one point in time ever and more than once then they would be lying. That's not premeditation. It doesn't have to be as gruesome as wanting to kill them but to leave them or beat some sense into them etc but even the most tolerant parent has felt that way at one point in time.

It is one thing to think about it, another to eventually carry it out. She should have gotten the death penalty. Saying she got frustrated or was having possible mental issues is not an excuse. Nothing can explain away the fact that she murdered her own baby. What's to stop her from getting mad at someone else and deciding to kill someone for it? She's a menace to society. Normal people don't kill others simply because they were being annoyed.

If anything the punishment for something like this needs to be much more severe. If you want to act like an animal you should be treated like one instead of a person. I don't believe human rights and decency should apply to someone who kills children especially as they are completely helpless. IMO she should be stoned to death for what she did simply because a quicker death would be too good. You don't just snap and decide to kill a baby no matter what sort of strain you are under. That's what makes you a person and not a dog in the street. I believe it is the social apathy for these sort of crimes that ruin us all and make us less as a species. To each his/her own I guess.

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I'm not claiming they do, but it's more common than most people know.
Mostly I'm just trying to get some of these idiots to use their brains.

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Its you who seems like you're on the outside looking in if you think such an inconvenience warrants murder.

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Where did I say it warrants murder? I said it's not first degree, that she didn't do it with intent. Are you really that fucking blind you put words in peoples sentences when all you have to do is read the response? Not to mention in every response I have issued I said she deserves punishment but not being labeled as a monster until we know more.

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If anyone says they didn't have dark thoughts about their kids at one point in time ever and more than once then they would be lying. That's not premeditation. It doesn't have to be as gruesome as wanting to kill them but to leave them or beat some sense into them etc but even the most tolerant parent has felt that way at one point in time.

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This is the most spot-on thing you said yet; what separates humans from monsters is the ability to separate thoughts into actions. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. However, just because you did do something, doesn't mean you had control. Until the case starts underway and a more detailed report is out, we don't know anything of what happened. This was my original point, we can't judge a scenario that can happen to anyone, even you.

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Normal people don't kill others simply because they were being annoyed.

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Define normal? Google parents that killed their children and see for yourself just how many there have been in the last decade. Normal people by definition are simply those who are accepted into society as a whole, with no clear indication of any faults deemed unacceptable. Before now, have you even heard of this woman? How do you know she wasn't "normal"

It's comment like these that tick me off, because people who judge often have flaws themselves. So you haven't committed murder, accidental on purpose or otherwise, but you never know what could happen to you, so again as I pointed out earlier, who are we to judge, we are not god.

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IMO she should be stoned to death for what she did simply because a quicker death would be too good.

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So because she shook her child, her penalty should be a greater painful sense of violence. Now that's the way to educate our next generation. Closet sociopath much? Perhaps not, it's not for me to judge, but sentences like that don't help for your case either.

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I am sure she was probably thinking about killing that poor baby long before she actually did it.

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To say this would imply intent to kill which would mean it was premeditated hence changing the charge to first degree murder, which was evident that it was planned or intended.

Also for you to say something like this also suggest you don't have kids. Do you have any idea what its like to have a crying baby scream for hours no matter if you sing, feed, change, dance, massage their back, walk and nothing still works! It can crawl under the most sane calm person's skin who had no history of violence what-so-ever.

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You are incorrect. I do know what its like to have a baby scream and cry for hours on end and having to sit up all night so don't think you know anything about me. It is because I have had to deal with that and on more than one occasion that gives me no sympathy for anyone who would kill a child for any reason. Its you who seems like you're on the outside looking in if you think such an inconvenience warrants murder.

If anyone says they didn't have dark thoughts about their kids at one point in time ever and more than once then they would be lying. That's not premeditation. It doesn't have to be as gruesome as wanting to kill them but to leave them or beat some sense into them etc but even the most tolerant parent has felt that way at one point in time.

It is one thing to think about it, another to eventually carry it out. She should have gotten the death penalty. Saying she got frustrated or was having possible mental issues is not an excuse. Nothing can explain away the fact that she murdered her own baby. What's to stop her from getting mad at someone else and deciding to kill someone for it? She's a menace to society. Normal people don't kill others simply because they were being annoyed.

If anything the punishment for something like this needs to be much more severe. If you want to act like an animal you should be treated like one instead of a person. I don't believe human rights and decency should apply to someone who kills children especially as they are completely helpless. IMO she should be stoned to death for what she did simply because a quicker death would be too good. You don't just snap and decide to kill a baby no matter what sort of strain you are under. That's what makes you a person and not a dog in the street. I believe it is the social apathy for these sort of crimes that ruin us all and make us less as a species. To each his/her own I guess.

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I don't think anybody is trying to explain it away or excuse her actions, but what kind of a society would we be if we didn't try to explain it at all, or understand the underlying cause. Your own personal mental health and her mental health are two very different things. Unless you've walked in her shoes, you can't possibly know that she could have prevented what she did. She could have been repeatedly raped by a relative when she was young. The baby may be the result of a rape. She could have grown up in an environment where she was physically and emotionally abused and around drug use. Unless you were physically and emotionally abused the same way or worse, you can't sit back and pass judgement. She may have not have had the support system to see tell tale signs of something wrong brewing. She may have not had access to quality health care to assist her in dealing with overwhelming feelings of hopeless despair. She did act like an animal, but that may be the result of being treated like an animal all her life. If that is all she knows, then it is very likely that the cycle will continue with her own children. I think it's ironic that we feel so sorry for an abused child, yet when that child grows older and acts out based on all they know, we are quick to lose all compassion and start casting stones. In fact, I feel that your response to her actions is rather animalistic. And to correct you, she doesn't kill children. She killed her child. And to correct you again, yes, people do snap. In case you didn't know this, the human body is composed of many complex chemicals that can alter actions and judgement when not balanced.

Violence against children is never justified, but it can be explained. The bottom line is that she took a life. She should be punished to the full extent of the law. My heart breaks for that child. While it also breaks for the mother, it doesn't excuse her.

I've had dark thoughts about my children at times. Thoughts that have scared me. They were fleeting, but they scared me. My wife suffered from PPD after our second baby. She had violent thoughts but never acted out on them and would spend many long hours crying on my shoulder. A support system is extremely important. I also credit each of our childhoods for helping us get through those rough years. We both came from loving families that guided us through life and were still there for us as adults.

I understand depression and anger when it comes to raising newborns, and children in general. I've worked with agencies that rescued children from abusive and dangerous environments. They were in low-income neighborhoods, so statistically, the odds were stacked against them. The cases I was exposed to still haunt me to this day. Even though my wife and I have children and made it through what we thought were the roughest times of our lives and marriage, there is no way that I can say that I would never have committed a crime against my children if I were raised in a different environment. I'll never know. All I know is that the person that I am now is someone who would never have done (or will never do) something like that.

I am not trying to be insensitive, but I do have two children and they cry for a reason. It may not always be a good reason, but if you identify the reason and then eliminate it they stop crying. She could have easily taken a break from the game, identified the cause of the crying, did whatever it was that the child needed in order for the crying to stop, and then went back to the game.

whats wrong with the world today is there are to many humanitarians.

you shouldn't go to prison get fed 3 square meals a day watch tv and lounge in a cell. you should get the ever loveing shit beat out of you every day, until times up. and not by inmates but by the guards.

if you murder someone, the day your found guilty is the day you die. no drugs either. a simple 5 cent bullet to the brain or heart will suffice.

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I am not trying to be insensitive, but I do have two children and they cry for a reason. It may not always be a good reason, but if you identify the reason and then eliminate it they stop crying. She could have easily taken a break from the game, identified the cause of the crying, did whatever it was that the child needed in order for the crying to stop, and then went back to the game.

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u r 100% right take a frakking break and take care of the baby and then go back to your stupid game

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whats wrong with the world today is there are to many humanitarians.

you shouldn't go to prison get fed 3 square meals a day watch tv and lounge in a cell. you should get the ever loveing shit beat out of you every day, until times up. and not by inmates but by the guards.

if you murder someone, the day your found guilty is the day you die. no drugs either. a simple 5 cent bullet to the brain or heart will suffice.

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Killing someone over a murder will never stop it, it will keep the cycle going forever.

All over Farmville, I mean I can see Killing over Peggle but freakin' Farmville, come on.

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Now you see there is where I can argue a bit. All I was point out was cannabis isn't a gateway to cause violence. Oh sure drug lords can be violent if they don't get paid. Sure Cannabis is an escape from the reality of one's stress and is not any more healthy than alcohol or sex for that matter. But in no way shape or form can it cause anyone to be violent, quite the opposite in fact. That's all I saying. Does it make society better? Well first off I never claimed it did, so no need to defend or argue it. My point was strictly name me one case where a person got high of cannabis than killed someone, let alone get violent *which is possible, but not as likely* unless it was laced with some higher more dangerous form of contraband.

Otherwise WW3, I recognize intelligence where I see it, and I can agree with all other of your arguments presented to me.

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does this count?

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it's all cannabis, alcohol and sex. there is no dignity in people like her, ROT IN HELL!

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why is sex even in that category? there is nothing negative about it

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Without sex there would be no children; without children there would be no adults...therefor, sex could be blamed for everything that man kind has ever done.

As for Cannabis, I assume you meant Marijuana, and not hemp? Not sure how this even applies to the story anyway...she smoked tobacco between baby shakes...if she had smoked marijuana, the second shake would not have happened. Perhaps we should blame Tobacco? Or maybe farmville, or Facebook, or god for giving her the arms that she used to kill her child? All of these would make a lot more sense than blaming the plant that was used to make the twine inside her couch (Cannabis), or the additive that makes her car run cleaner (alcohol).

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yes, i meant pot, when i was talking about sex i meant the garbage that the porn belt puts out, the porn belt being san franfreakshow and Hollywood.

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Define normal?

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Farmville is a gateway drug.

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Farmville is a gateway drug.

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o.0 i see what you did there. .. >.>

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I've complete given up online gaming now..only casual games.

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Farmville is a casual game...it is the very definition of casual game.

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Yeah and that's the ironic twist to this: She WASN'T playing a violent game just a casual game, so this tells me that their was a few marbles loose in her head even before she started playing the damn game. Even though we may not fully know why she did it, the point is that she shook her baby not once but twice. The girl should have used common sense and should've thought what she was doing to her child. It's people like this who don't need to be having kids in the first place, IMHO.

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whats wrong with the world today is there are to many humanitarians.

you shouldn't go to prison get fed 3 square meals a day watch tv and lounge in a cell. you should get the ever loveing shit beat out of you every day, until times up. and not by inmates but by the guards.

if you murder someone, the day your found guilty is the day you die. no drugs either. a simple 5 cent bullet to the brain or heart will suffice.

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I agree with that, waste of taxpayers money keeping her locked up for 25years.
As for the women if she wasnt fit to look after her baby she should of got someone to babysit a friend of a family member maybe even a neighbour as a last resort.

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Originally posted by DXR88:

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whats wrong with the world today is there are to many humanitarians.

you shouldn't go to prison get fed 3 square meals a day watch tv and lounge in a cell. you should get the ever loveing shit beat out of you every day, until times up. and not by inmates but by the guards.

if you murder someone, the day your found guilty is the day you die. no drugs either. a simple 5 cent bullet to the brain or heart will suffice.

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Killing someone over a murder will never stop it, it will keep the cycle going forever.

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Again i fail to see you point... should a be like. awww poor murderer slaughtered a little boy and his momma don't worry i'll take care of you. i'll buy your meals, your bedding, your cloths,your Cable TV, your books. you know what i feel so sorry for you ill give you a play ground where you and your murdering buddy's can shoot hoops, lift wights, and talk about the could old killing days.

if you've been found guilty of murder with solid evidence against you, you get a priest and 24 hours to live.

it'll save millions of tax dollars every year. inmate population downfall would leave some prisons empty, these prisons could be turned into homeless shelters. the millions saved could be used to feed the hungry within the facility.

where taking care of all the wrong people.

She should be sentenced to hang and have her hanging posted on the web.

ALSO,
Marijuana is NOT a gateway drug. Think about it...Tobacco and Alcohol are the real gateway drugs.

Man only twenty-five to fifty years for killing a child, but if you commit securities fraud you get a life sentence and die in prison.

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Again i fail to see you point... should a be like. awww poor murderer slaughtered a little boy and his momma don't worry i'll take care of you. i'll buy your meals, your bedding, your cloths,your Cable TV, your books. you know what i feel so sorry for you ill give you a play ground where you and your murdering buddy's can shoot hoops, lift wights, and talk about the could old killing days.

if you've been found guilty of murder with solid evidence against you, you get a priest and 24 hours to live.

it'll save millions of tax dollars every year. inmate population downfall would leave some prisons empty, these prisons could be turned into homeless shelters. the millions saved could be used to feed the hungry within the facility.

where taking care of all the wrong people.

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A man after my own heart. I think the world would be a better place if murderers were given the death penalty and it took days instead of years to actually execute them. The main reason murder is so common is because the penalty is light considering. You get meals and housing and you will probably grow old and die in prison even if you happen to be on death row considering the length of time before you run out of appeals and someone's screw up in procedure could get you released when you were absolutely guilty. They count on that.

She looks like she has the intelligence of a flea. She MIGHT BE a Crackhead. Lots of violence in Florida. Auto weapons used to be/are? sold there. Smoking pot will make a person feel violent at times. It can amplify your feelings or environment.

Some of you people are really really off the beaten path here.. Executing someone for manslaughter? Are you on crack? Lets just look at this objectively. Woman A in a momentary lapse of sanity accidental kills her child by shaking it. Woman B locks her children in a car and drives it into a lake. You really truly and honestly believe that both of them should be treated exactly the same? I really really hope that you idiots are never in a position to make a live and death decision because that would be a travesty. You still don't understand that aside from a little bit of news coverage we know nothing about this case. Saying she deserves to die is more than harsh, it's retarded. Nothing is ever as simple as crime=punishment and claiming anything to the contrary only shows pure ignorance.

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Some of you people are really really off the beaten path here.. Executing someone for manslaughter? Are you on crack? Lets just look at this objectively. Woman A in a momentary lapse of sanity accidental kills her child by shaking it. Woman B locks her children in a car and drives it into a lake. You really truly and honestly believe that both of them should be treated exactly the same? I really really hope that you idiots are never in a position to make a live and death decision because that would be a travesty. You still don't understand that aside from a little bit of news coverage we know nothing about this case. Saying she deserves to die is more than harsh, it's retarded. Nothing is ever as simple as crime=punishment and claiming anything to the contrary only shows pure ignorance.

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both Women A & B have a reason for there actions, they had time to reconsider that action, both are murderers and deserve no remorse or pity. they sure didn't show there children any.

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Again I fail to see your point... You should be like “Awe poor murderer slaughtered a little boy and his momma don't worry I’ll take care of you. I’ll buy your meals, your bedding, your cloths, your Cable TV, your books. you know what i feel so sorry for you I’ll give you a playground where you and your murdering buddies can shoot hoops, lift weights, and talk about the could old killing days.”

If you've been found guilty of murder with solid evidence against you, you get a priest and 24 hours to live.

It’ll save millions of tax dollars every year. Inmate population downfall would leave some prisons empty; these prisons could be turned into homeless shelters. The millions saved could be used to feed the hungry within the facility.

Where taking care of all the wrong people.

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A man after my own heart. I think the world would be a better place if murderers were given the death penalty and it took days instead of years to actually execute them. The main reason murder is so common is because the penalty is light considering. You get meals and housing and you will probably grow old and die in prison even if you happen to be on death row considering the length of time before you run out of appeals and someone's screw up in procedure could get you released when you were absolutely guilty. They count on that.

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You're trying to remove the issues all together rather than solving it. Hate to tell you, but even if it's instant death for simply jay-walking, you'll still have people do it. Fear is not a positive motivator, it only makes them oppressed. I'm opposed to capital punishment, even prison. You can still make even the most cold-hearted criminals into positive moral working citizens. You'll forever have the issue if you keep killing them for their crimes instead of fixing the source that's CAUSING it. I prefer the idea of a criminal rehabilitation, where they're essentially locked in a penitentiary, but they're analyzed by sociologists and psychologists who can find the issues that make the criminal do his 'evil deed.' Once you have a reasonable understanding of them, you can proceed to treat them as necessary. Yes, even well enough they can be considered an asset to society.

No, it's not unreasonable, we've just been used to our prison system which has worked for all these years; but with our advances in psychology it IS possible to 'fix' someone. Killing them is no better than the very act they committed, making you just as bad as them.

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Some of you people are really really off the beaten path here.. Executing someone for manslaughter? Are you on crack? Lets just look at this objectively. Woman A in a momentary lapse of sanity accidental kills her child by shaking it. Woman B locks her children in a car and drives it into a lake. You really truly and honestly believe that both of them should be treated exactly the same? I really really hope that you idiots are never in a position to make a live and death decision because that would be a travesty. You still don't understand that aside from a little bit of news coverage we know nothing about this case. Saying she deserves to die is more than harsh, it's retarded. Nothing is ever as simple as crime=punishment and claiming anything to the contrary only shows pure ignorance.

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both Women A & B have a reason for there actions, they had time to reconsider that action, both are murderers and deserve no remorse or pity. they sure didn't show there children any.

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I can't take anyone seriously who doesn't know the difference between there and their.
You also clearly have no clue about how fragile infants are and blissfully ignored almost everything else I said.

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Some of you people are really really off the beaten path here.. Executing someone for manslaughter? Are you on crack? Lets just look at this objectively. Woman A in a momentary lapse of sanity accidental kills her child by shaking it. Woman B locks her children in a car and drives it into a lake. You really truly and honestly believe that both of them should be treated exactly the same? I really really hope that you idiots are never in a position to make a live and death decision because that would be a travesty. You still don't understand that aside from a little bit of news coverage we know nothing about this case. Saying she deserves to die is more than harsh, it's retarded. Nothing is ever as simple as crime=punishment and claiming anything to the contrary only shows pure ignorance.

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both Women A & B have a reason for there actions, they had time to reconsider that action, both are murderers and deserve no remorse or pity. they sure didn't show there children any.

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I can't take anyone seriously who doesn't know the difference between there and their.
You also clearly have no clue about how fragile infants are and blissfully ignored almost everything else I said.

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I do believe its time we give it up, our beliefs and ideals are different.

You're welcome to give up if you'd like, but as long as you continue to spout that "eye for an eye crap" I'll be here trying to smack some sense into ya.

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You're welcome to give up if you'd like, but as long as you continue to spout that "eye for an eye crap" I'll be here trying to smack some sense into ya.

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I dont see how the misuse of the words "there and their" have any relevence to this.he simply stated his opinion and our english skills are irrelevant aslong as we state our opinion and it makes sense.
Also i dont see how violently shaking a baby who is crying is manslaughter.Any person of average intelligence knows not to shake a baby as it can lead to death.Ok lets assume it was an accident we let her go and she goes insane again and kills someone else or a number of people then what????
I agree in theory with the death sentence only thing that I dont agree with is that innocent people get sentenced to death.the courts dont always make the right decision.

they should ban games from ppl who r sick like this one ><

Originally posted by DXR88:

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whats wrong with the world today is there are to many humanitarians.

you shouldn't go to prison get fed 3 square meals a day watch tv and lounge in a cell. you should get the ever loveing shit beat out of you every day, until times up. and not by inmates but by the guards.

if you murder someone, the day your found guilty is the day you die. no drugs either. a simple 5 cent bullet to the brain or heart will suffice.

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A 5 cent bullet ? Where do you buy your ammo ? I pay around $.24 for my 7.62 x 39 I pay around $.28 for my 7.92 x 54 ammo and I pay around $.23 for my 9 mm ammo. Please tell me where I can get the 5 cent ammo, that would sure make a day at the range cheaper. Thanks.

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You're welcome to give up if you'd like, but as long as you continue to spout that "eye for an eye crap" I'll be here trying to smack some sense into ya.

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I dont see how the misuse of the words "there and their" have any relevence to this.he simply stated his opinion and our english skills are irrelevant aslong as we state our opinion and it makes sense.
Also i dont see how violently shaking a baby who is crying is manslaughter.Any person of average intelligence knows not to shake a baby as it can lead to death.Ok lets assume it was an accident we let her go and she goes insane again and kills someone else or a number of people then what????
I agree in theory with the death sentence only thing that I dont agree with is that innocent people get sentenced to death.the courts dont always make the right decision.

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I'm sorry I just can't take much stock in the opinion of someone who can't distinguish between a noun and a pronoun. This may or may not be relevant to some but to me it very much is.

Now onto your other....opinions...
First we still don't know enough about the situation. She could have been under stress, still experiencing ppd, have had a history of mental health issues, etc. "Any person of average intelligence" would probably know not to shake a child, but what if that person were involved in circumstances beyond their control? I've mentioned this half a dozen times already but everyone ignores it simply because it goes against their own thoughts on the topic. I don't feel it's worth saying more because at this point trying to get you people to think logically is moot at best. You go on to imply that because she shook a child she could go on a mass killing spree. Are you high? She admitted that she did it and from what I can tell didn't try and cover it up, this is either a sign of remorse or she's just mental. Once more without knowing more about her it's impossible to say. It is a little odd that she shook him twice, but who knows if that's really how it happened. I'd imagine the shock of killing a child, let alone your own child is overwhelming. She may have shook him then smoked a cigarette and lost her mind. Events could be all mixed up in her head or even filled in due to gaps in her recollection. You need to understand I'm not saying they should let her go, she needs to be taught a lesson and she need some serious psychological help before anyone could even consider letting her go back out into the world. But simply saying she deserves to die for what could have been a tragic mistake that she had no intent of ever occurring is the stupidest thing anyone could ever utter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucVvCYtUNbQ

How was it a mistake? She said she shook the baby when it started crying then smoked a cig and shook the baby again. How the hell can you consider that a mistake? Now correct me if I'm wrong but people usually take a minute or two for a smoke so if she was having a temporary lapse in sanity the cig should have calmed her down if she hadn't had one in a longer period of normal. Going back to finish the job seems to me she knew perfectly damn well what she was doing.

@hikaricor the point i was trying to make about english is you obviously have a better understanding of english than some of us.Waste of time arguing aout it.this isnt an english classroom so its useless pointing out minor english mistakes.

the point i was trying to make in regards to the women is if she can't manage to look after a baby without losing her temper and violent shaking it (whens it already upset)not once but twice how can she deal with everyday people that are a lot more annoying than a 3month old baby.

the amount of times ive seen someone do something stupid or dangerous on the roads ive felt like hitting or raming them is counting.the amount of times ive felt like hitting someone (for reasons) is countless but i have a lot more patience when it comes to children and animals than i do for adults.

AS for smoking I can smoke a cigarettes in about 2-3minutes if i havnt had 1 for a while normally takes about 4-5minutes for 1.

Why do people continue to act surprised when they hear stories like this??? There's more cruelty than good in the world so why be surprised??? Unfortunately Its in our nature to treat each other like shit so im done being shocked and you might as well except that we are a mix of good and evil within ppl no matter who they are... theres really no point in caring because its just gonna continue whether you complain or not! :\

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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I've complete given up online gaming now..only casual games.

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Yeah and that's the ironic twist to this: She WASN'T playing a violent game just a casual game, so this tells me that their was a few marbles loose in her head even before she started playing the damn game. Even though we may not fully know why she did it, the point is that she shook her baby not once but twice. The girl should have used common sense and should've thought what she was doing to her child. It's people like this who don't need to be having kids in the first place, IMHO.

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Maybe she should have played a violent video game instead; better to kill a hoard of virtual zombies than your child.

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Man only twenty-five to fifty years for killing a child, but if you commit securities fraud you get a life sentence and die in prison.

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Actually, it is closer to a 1 year sentence in a minimum security resort that is cut to 6-9 months for "good behavior"...and that is assuming that you get caught and then hire a terrible lawyer.

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Why do people continue to act surprised when they hear stories like this??? There's more cruelty than good in the world so why be surprised??? Unfortunately Its in our nature to treat each other like shit so im done being shocked and you might as well except that we are a mix of good and evil within ppl no matter who they are... theres really no point in caring because its just gonna continue whether you complain or not! :\

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This is not about cruelty...cruelty is what you inflict on others with the hope of causing more pain and suffering. This is just a murderous ***** who killed her own child, and then got a soft sentence because the judge felt sorry for her...you know, because she just lost her child and all. If she had gone next door and killed one of the kids there, she would be en route to death row right now.

...And for all those people who say, "maybe it was an accident" or "maybe it was rape"...Abortion and adoption are both legal! Abortion has a time limit, adoption does not. She made the choice to have the child, then she made the choice to keep the child. Then she (may have) snapped and shook the child...then she made the choice to smoke a cigarette, and while she smoked it, she made the choice to murder the child. If she wanted to be free of the child, she could have put it up for adoption at any time; even in the middle of the night. Heck, she could have just left the kid at an emergency room like the crack whores do.

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I've complete given up online gaming now..only casual games.

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Yeah and that's the ironic twist to this: She WASN'T playing a violent game just a casual game, so this tells me that their was a few marbles loose in her head even before she started playing the damn game. Even though we may not fully know why she did it, the point is that she shook her baby not once but twice. The girl should have used common sense and should've thought what she was doing to her child. It's people like this who don't need to be having kids in the first place, IMHO.

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Maybe she should have played a violent video game instead; better to kill a hoard of virtual zombies than your child.

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Man only twenty-five to fifty years for killing a child, but if you commit securities fraud you get a life sentence and die in prison.

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Actually, it is closer to a 1 year sentence in a minimum security resort that is cut to 6-9 months for "good behavior"...and that is assuming that you get caught and then hire a terrible lawyer.

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Why do people continue to act surprised when they hear stories like this??? There's more cruelty than good in the world so why be surprised??? Unfortunately Its in our nature to treat each other like shit so im done being shocked and you might as well except that we are a mix of good and evil within ppl no matter who they are... theres really no point in caring because its just gonna continue whether you complain or not! :\

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This is not about cruelty...cruelty is what you inflict on others with the hope of causing more pain and suffering. This is just a murderous ***** who killed her own child, and then got a soft sentence because the judge felt sorry for her...you know, because she just lost her child and all. If she had gone next door and killed one of the kids there, she would be en route to death row right now.

...And for all those people who say, "maybe it was an accident" or "maybe it was rape"...Abortion and adoption are both legal! Abortion has a time limit, adoption does not. She made the choice to have the child, then she made the choice to keep the child. Then she (may have) snapped and shook the child...then she made the choice to smoke a cigarette, and while she smoked it, she made the choice to murder the child. If she wanted to be free of the child, she could have put it up for adoption at any time; even in the middle of the night. Heck, she could have just left the kid at an emergency room like the crack whores do.

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Yes, while this is true most securities fraud cases carry a sentence of more than twenty-five years. Most of the time this crime is committed it is on a grand scale i.e. ponzi schemes, insider trading, accounting fraud, and corporate fraud. That is the The reason I made that statement based the track record of that particular crime.

Man she looks pissed in that picture....not sure I'd mess with her either.

I have a 2-year old, and I will be perfectly honest in saying that it wasn't always the best of times. Long nights, constant crying (she had colic) and lack of sleep all wear down even the most patient of people. I am not defending what she did but I've been there. I got so frustrated I had to walk outside and scream. The stress involved is certainly not for everyone and she obviously was overtaken by it.

If you don't have kids you'll never understand what parents go through.

Oh and to the WW3, you should get your nose out of the bible and live a little.

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Oh and to the WW3, you should get your nose out of the bible and live a little.

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w/e, I know I have a solid foundation, and I know right from wrong. That should be enough and you don't need to question it, my faith or my morality.

Well perhaps not everyone chooses to live such an immaculate lifestyle like you've chosen. There are plenty here, I'm sure, that enjoy the vices you speak out against. While you're entitled to your opinion when you try to enforce it on others folks you come off as a bible thumper and that crap is annoying. Why don't you and Tim Tebow go read passages together and leave the rest of us sinners alone.

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Well perhaps not everyone chooses to live such an immaculate lifestyle like you've chosen. There are plenty here, I'm sure, that enjoy the vices you speak out against. While you're entitled to your opinion when you try to enforce it on others folks you come off as a bible thumper and that crap is annoying. Why don't you and Tim Tebow go read passages together and leave the rest of us sinners alone.

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I am in no way a bible thumper, just because I try to stay on a moral path, does not mean that that's all i ever do. It's just a part of my personality, both online and off, and if you don't like that I am sorry, that's just how I am. In fact, i haven't posted at all since i replied to toked, and that was a joke post.

Cant we all just get along, maybe sing a song.

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Cant we all just get along, maybe sing a song.

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I wish. and that wasn't sarcasm.

row row row your boat!!!!

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row row row your boat!!!!

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this land is your land! this land is my land! :P

There once was a Lass,
That loved to play a game of Farmville,
Until one fateful day,
a baby cried its last,
she took it an shook it,
With great ferocity,

i'm still working on the rest of the lyrics.

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There once was a Lass,
That loved to play a game of Farmville,
Until one fateful day,
a baby cried its last,
she took it an shook it,
With great ferocity,

i'm still working on the rest of the lyrics.

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... >_>; that's just sick and wrong.

Originally posted by WW3:

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... >_>; that's just sick and wrong.

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it depends on what side of the fence your on.

but is fitting considering the subject.

ddp, how long will you let this go on? I mean, will it be in the 10000's of posts :P or what xD.

Sorry guys, this has gone way off topic, and I'm sure DDP will agree, with this #100 post, I'm closing the thread :)