DirectX 12 will not be supported on Windows 7

I hope someone hacks it like they did hack Halo 2

Microsoft is playing with a double-edged sword with this one. They hope to force people to buy a new operating system that isn't as good as what they already have in order to use the new Directx...but developers are going to hesitate to use the new DirectX as it will cut their potential PC customer base in half.

I almost feel bad for microsoft...to make money on new products they have to reinvent round wheels to be square...and then they have to force people to buy square wheels, then they have to reinvent the square wheel to be round again...etc, etc. That, or they have to take a standalone app like office that is only slightly better than the free alternative to begin with, and convert it to a web app that keeps costing money and stops working or slows down with an internet connection. Now they have to go after gamers...unfortunate since gaming is about the only thing Windows does better than Linux. They can't even make a console that "just works"...even there you get to pay a subscription for basic features after paying upfront too.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Microsoft is playing with a double-edged sword with this one. They hope to force people to buy a new operating system that isn't as good as what they already have in order to use the new Directx...but developers are going to hesitate to use the new DirectX as it will cut their potential PC customer base in half.

I almost feel bad for microsoft...to make money on new products they have to reinvent round wheels to be square...and then they have to force people to buy square wheels, then they have to reinvent the square wheel to be round again...etc, etc. That, or they have to take a standalone app like office that is only slightly better than the free alternative to begin with, and convert it to a web app that keeps costing money and stops working or slows down with an internet connection. Now they have to go after gamers...unfortunate since gaming is about the only thing Windows does better than Linux. They can't even make a console that "just works"...even there you get to pay a subscription for basic features after paying upfront too.

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Might help them if they made the basic home version of the OS free, charge 25$ for SPX patches, enhanced windose upgrade that offers search, defrag and more tools and options for 50$. Charge 200$ for the OS with all the enhanced, server and business stuff on it. Not to mention making it easy to buy keys from them and stuff.....

2 things come to mind for me.

1stly I hope the usual Microsoft turkey/great OS track record is kept & Win 10 will be worth getting & having.

2ndly hopefully (as with Win 7) Microsoft offer great initial deals.

It was largely knowing Win 7 was good and the offer to pre-order Win 7 @ £45 (for 32 & 64 bit versions) that had me buying & leaving Win XP after so long with it.

Do that and I'm in.

(or better still for us Win 7 users offer a discount or free update to Win 10)

Hopefully, hackers will release a hacked version of DX12 that can be installed on W7 like they did with XP when Vista came out.....

Correct me if I'm going down the wrong path here, but isn't Win 8 more or less just a fancy new GUI on top of Win 7? -I know there's a bit more to it than that, but it just seems to me that there is no good damn reason why they should not be able to support DX12 in a Win 7 machine. Greed is an ugly, two-headed beast.

Well, it is if you don't use the Protogon (ReFS) file system......

This is why we will see an even larger increase in iPhones, iPads, Android Tablets and Android phones. A lot of people (minus the businesses) don't even use their PC anymore. They use their tablet or phone for everything. As Microsoft begins to get cold, mobile devices will continue to get hot. Windows 8.1 is not any better than Windows 7 except for security and maybe boot speeds. There is no reason to upgrade from Windows 7 to 8.1. When windows 10 is released then maybe there would be a reason to upgrade (so far the preview is good) If owning a PC continues to get more and more costly each year I can see a lot of people deciding they don't want one anymore and switching to a tablet or any IOS or Google based device.

Generally, it's cheaper to build a computer yourself than buying a ready made one. I NEVER buy any ready made desktop such as Dell or HP; I always build my own which saves $$$.

When is DX12 slated to be released? It would be ridiculous if it was released before Windows 10 as hardly anyone would use it. Every-other consumer Windows OS is good.

98=good
ME=worst
XP=best
Vista=bad
7=great
8=ok
10=probably good

Originally posted by ajsmsg78:

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If owning a PC continues to get more and more costly each year I can see a lot of people deciding they don't want one anymore and switching to a tablet or any IOS or Google based device.

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Having tried tablets I can say, whilst convenient some of the time, I ditched mine & went for a laptop which was far more capable & appropriate to my travelling needs.

The laptop won't be replacing my PC any time soon either.

I agree that for many a tablet is all they need (but perhaps this is merely much more a reflection of how the PC has always been over-kill for them rather than any inherent problem with PCs?).

I knew there would be a bunch of predictable goofs that commented with brutal negativity for this article.

THIS IS TOTALLY EXPECTED and "GOOD FOR MICROSOFT"!

Gamers/video specialists are the only ones that care about DirectX.

This is a smart move for MS to 'gently' encourage those to upgrade. DirectX does not NEED TO BE upgraded and can be done so at the leisure of the user.

And, for those that like Win7 sooooo much that they just don't want to give it up....I'm sorry but learn German and "kwicherbichin" and get ready to UPGRADE YOUR FREAKIN' OS!

Those techno-morons and putzes that can't relinquish control of XP are sorely looked down upon by professional techs such as myself.

I'm ready to ditch Win7 and move on.....SO SHOULD MOST!!!!!!!

Originally posted by ivymike:

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Generally, it's cheaper to build a computer yourself than buying a ready made one. I NEVER buy any ready made desktop such as Dell or HP; I always build my own which saves $$$.

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What????????????????????

Have you built one in the past decade?????

WAY WAY WAY CHEAPER to buy a 'ready made one'.......WAY!


Since I'm in the market now, let me elaborate,

Corsair 550d case-129.00
Mobo 250.00
I7 latest/greatest (non-extreme) 329.00
Proc fan 80.00
RAM - 170.00 (16GB)
Power supply 180.00
SSD 512GB 260.00
Blu-ray drive 60.00
KB/Mouse - maybe 100.00
Video card - 250.00


1808.00 = NOT CHEAPER!!!!

Now, if you wanna be ghetto and chince on the needed things, like getting a cheap ass video card or bumping your SSD down to 256 or 128 then you can save a little money but YOU'RE COMPLETELY WRONG about it being "cheaper"..........


Clearly you haven't built one in quite some time.
I build my own for control and individual warranties on all the parts which is a major benefit but cheaper is NOT one of those benefits.

Back in '07...yes but now...NO!

You DO NOT NEED a $129.00 case, a $250.00 video card, a $260.00 SSD, $170.00 RAM, a $329.00 CPU....I'm not talking about a super-fast gaming PC. You CAN build a decent fast enough computer for a fraction of these amounts:
DIYPC DIY-5823BK Case $16.99
Logisys ATX 480 watt PSU $12.99
Biostar H81MHV3 Intel S1150 Board $39.99
Intel S1150 Core i3 4130 CPU $119.99
WD Velociraptor 300 Gb HDD $89.99
ZOTAC Video Card w-NVIDIA Core & 1 Gb RAM $27.99

I can go on and on but most of you will get my point.

Originally posted by ivymike:

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You DO NOT NEED a $129.00 case, a $250.00 video card, a $260.00 SSD, $170.00 RAM, a $329.00 CPU....I'm not talking about a super-fast gaming PC. You CAN build a decent fast enough computer for a fraction of these amounts:
DIYPC Case $16.99
Logisys ATX 480 watt PSU $12.99
Biostar H81MHV3 Intel S1150 Board $39.99
Intel S1150 Core i3 4130 CPU $119.99
WD Velociraptor 300 Gb HDD $89.99
ZOTAC Video Card w-NVIDIA Core & 1 Gb RAM $27.99

I can go on and on but most of you will get my point.

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WHat you just put together is barely a PC and I'm not going to lay into your lame, barely functioning PC specs but......the one I put together would be considered "current" and not the best of the best. Yours.......GARBAGE.

And do I really need to remind you that this article is centered on DirectX which is a video/graphics/gaming component which USUALLY means "gaming" or "some gaming". You can't game with this crap you purport to be a "PC"

The power supply will die inside a year likely.

YOU DID NOT include RAM.

Board will likely die inside 2 years.

I3 won't make any use of DirectX 12 as it's not powerful enough (in general)

That Nvidia card is crap and will likely die in a couple years and has no more power than onboard video which your board choice is too much a P.O.S. to have.

HDD at 300 GB is VIRTUALLY USELESS IN TODAY'S WORLD.


Had you said "put together a dirt cheap, low power, save-as-much-money-as-you-possibly-can" PC that actually runs an operating system of some sort, then of course it's possible..........usually the solution that those in the ghetto choose.

Now.....PIPE DOWN!!! You clearly have little clue as to what you're talking about and ANY DELL/HP/ACER. etc would blow your crappy configured PC away for LESS MONEY....PLUS A WARRANTY!!

Ugh....wasting my 20 years of vast expertise on people like yourself is a waste of my time.

You should send me a check for 100 bucks for advising you.

How much did you pay for your ego?

Originally posted by ivymike:

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How much did you pay for your ego?

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VERY EXPENSIVE!

Many many paid-for frustrations dealing with the technologically inept.

There's a right way and a wrong way of implementing tech based on basic needs. Longevity should ALWAYS be a 'basic need' whereas power/speed don't need to be.

I know those right and wrong ways......fully.

Don't blame me......I'm just the messenger.

Originally posted by ivymike:

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How much did you pay for your ego?

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Ivymike, You're better off just ignoring this ego-maniac.

You're probably right, LMAO.

Originally posted by hearme0:

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Originally posted by ivymike:

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Generally, it's cheaper to build a computer yourself than buying a ready made one. I NEVER buy any ready made desktop such as Dell or HP; I always build my own which saves $$$.

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What????????????????????

Have you built one in the past decade?????

WAY WAY WAY CHEAPER to buy a 'ready made one'.......WAY!


Since I'm in the market now, let me elaborate,

Corsair 550d case-129.00
Mobo 250.00
I7 latest/greatest (non-extreme) 329.00
Proc fan 80.00
RAM - 170.00 (16GB)
Power supply 180.00
SSD 512GB 260.00
Blu-ray drive 60.00
KB/Mouse - maybe 100.00
Video card - 250.00


1808.00 = NOT CHEAPER!!!!

Now, if you wanna be ghetto and chince on the needed things, like getting a cheap ass video card or bumping your SSD down to 256 or 128 then you can save a little money but YOU'RE COMPLETELY WRONG about it being "cheaper"..........


Clearly you haven't built one in quite some time.
I build my own for control and individual warranties on all the parts which is a major benefit but cheaper is NOT one of those benefits.

Back in '07...yes but now...NO!

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Not cheaper in comparison to what?
Who's selling the rig you've described for less than that price?

Originally posted by hearme0:

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Originally posted by ivymike:

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Generally, it's cheaper to build a computer yourself than buying a ready made one. I NEVER buy any ready made desktop such as Dell or HP; I always build my own which saves $$$.

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What????????????????????

Have you built one in the past decade?????

WAY WAY WAY CHEAPER to buy a 'ready made one'.......WAY!


Since I'm in the market now, let me elaborate,

Corsair 550d case-129.00
Mobo 250.00
I7 latest/greatest (non-extreme) 329.00
Proc fan 80.00
RAM - 170.00 (16GB)
Power supply 180.00
SSD 512GB 260.00
Blu-ray drive 60.00
KB/Mouse - maybe 100.00
Video card - 250.00


1808.00 = NOT CHEAPER!!!!

Now, if you wanna be ghetto and chince on the needed things, like getting a cheap ass video card or bumping your SSD down to 256 or 128 then you can save a little money but YOU'RE COMPLETELY WRONG about it being "cheaper"..........


Clearly you haven't built one in quite some time.
I build my own for control and individual warranties on all the parts which is a major benefit but cheaper is NOT one of those benefits.

Back in '07...yes but now...NO!

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You're going to throw around prices and statements presented as facts, yet you're not going to present any pre-built comparisons?

If you think you're going to buy a pre-built, with all the same parts as listed, for less than you can build it yourself, well then you obviously should just give up now and go back to playing with blocks. Because you have no clue.

Originally posted by bhetrick:

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Originally posted by hearme0:

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Originally posted by ivymike:

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Generally, it's cheaper to build a computer yourself than buying a ready made one. I NEVER buy any ready made desktop such as Dell or HP; I always build my own which saves $$$.

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What????????????????????

Have you built one in the past decade?????

WAY WAY WAY CHEAPER to buy a 'ready made one'.......WAY!


Since I'm in the market now, let me elaborate,

Corsair 550d case-129.00
Mobo 250.00
I7 latest/greatest (non-extreme) 329.00
Proc fan 80.00
RAM - 170.00 (16GB)
Power supply 180.00
SSD 512GB 260.00
Blu-ray drive 60.00
KB/Mouse - maybe 100.00
Video card - 250.00


1808.00 = NOT CHEAPER!!!!

Now, if you wanna be ghetto and chince on the needed things, like getting a cheap ass video card or bumping your SSD down to 256 or 128 then you can save a little money but YOU'RE COMPLETELY WRONG about it being "cheaper"..........


Clearly you haven't built one in quite some time.
I build my own for control and individual warranties on all the parts which is a major benefit but cheaper is NOT one of those benefits.

Back in '07...yes but now...NO!

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You're going to throw around prices and statements presented as facts, yet you're not going to present any pre-built comparisons?

If you think you're going to buy a pre-built, with all the same parts as listed, for less than you can build it yourself, well then you obviously should just give up now and go back to playing with blocks. Because you have no clue.

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LOL...The FACT of the matter is if you are buying the consumer grade pre built systems you aren't getting any of that high end stuff. The true benefit of building your own system is deciding where spending the money for good or the best components is totally up to you and you decide where to spend the money. I refuse to trot out my resume but if you can be your own tech support there's no other way to go. Consumer grade stuff almost always is low quality and all those corner cutting decisions have been made for you. Historically certain companies used proprietary parts making upgrading MBD and etc difficult. Many times they will save money removing connectors (SATA and etc) to save a bit here and there. If anyone tells you you can go into Best Buy and get an HP that is anywhere near the parts list above run. Heck I haven't seen a heavy steel case in the consumer lines for years.

On the other hand...building your own system is not for the faint hearted. You have to have some tech support plan or be ready to do it yourself. Also I think you really need to have the PC knowledge to know where it's ok to save money or not based on what you are going for.

Also...to all of you that don't have my level of technical knowledge...Thanks! If you did I wouldn't be so gainfully employed. Any sane person realizes this and doesn't treat you like an idiot. If they ever do make sure you let their employer know and don't give that company another cent! Same for any other mechanic, doctor and etc. I also appreciate not being treated like an idiot when I need tax help and etc.

Hope I didn't feed the troll but had to get that off my chest.

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That machine is way more than I'd pay for a gaming rig.

Case = ~$100, but that's personal preference...can get a decent one for $40 on sale with free shipping.

Mobo = $250? Last gaming mobo I paid that much for was an absolute pos. I go for a good MSI in the ~100-~150 range tops. I could go cheaper if I found one on sale that had the ports I wanted and had some patience.

CPU = I never buy I7 for my gaming rigs...price/perforance is bleh. A decently fast I5 is plenty.

FAN = Ok...this time around I did spend $110 for a 240mm radiator because I built in a small case and wanted to reduce heat inside the case, but generally I can easily get away with stock fans that don't cost near $80. $80 is really for a top end Noctua fan...nice, but not necessary.

RAM = close enough

Power Supply = I only run one video card (I tried SLI...not worth it), using a PS calculator I could get away with a 550w. I bought a oversized 750w Corsair for ~75AR to help with efficiency. People don't NEED 1200w power supplies.

SSD - bought a bad ass Micron 512g SSD...$200

Optical Drive - Don't need one. I don't have any need for an optical drive at all except to load Windows. My $10 USB dvd drive works fine for this (worst case scenario, hook up an old DVD drive long enough to load your OS)

KB/Mouse = $100?! No...just no. I have kids that are not keyboard/mouse friendly. I spend about $30-$40 tops. Maybe once they move out, I'll treat myself to a nice keyboard. "Gaming" keyboards with highlighted WASD keys piss me off. ESDF is vastly superior.

Video card - Ok...yes...I spend this much sometimes. My last card was a Radeon R9 270x w/ 2g which has run all my games without a stutter and after rebates/Newegg codes it was down to ~$170.

On top of all that, I scoured my Newegg emails and Techbargains. I knocked another $70 off my total comp price using Newegg codes for stuff I was already buying.

When I do go to those sites to check their prices, they usually want to charge me way over what I'd pay on sale at Newegg. So far, my machine runs cool and runs every game I've thrown at it at max without stuttering...and it was ~$1100 after all was said and done. I could have gotten away with cheaper if I hadn't wanted to build a mini-itx build this time around.

Originally posted by IguanaC64:

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That machine is way more than I'd pay for a gaming rig.

Case = ~$100, but that's personal preference...can get a decent one for $40 on sale with free shipping.

Mobo = $250? Last gaming I paid that much for was an absolute pos. I go for a good MSI in the ~100-~150 range tops. I could go cheaper if I found one on sale that had the ports I wanted and had some patience.

CPU = I never buy I7 for my gaming rigs...price/perforance is bleh. A decently fast I5 is plenty.

FAN = Ok...this time around I did spend $110 for a 240mm radiator because I built in a small case and wanted to reduce heat inside the case, but generally I can easily get away with stock fans that don't cost near $80. $80 is really for a top end Noctua fan...nice, but not necessary.

RAM = close enough

Power Supply = I only run one video card (I tried SLI...not worth it), using a PS calculator I could get away with a 550w. I bought a oversized 750w Corsair for ~75AR to help with efficiency. People don't NEED 1200w power supplies.

SSD - bought a bad ass Micron 512g SSD...$200

Optical Drive - Don't need one. I don't have any need for an optical drive at all except to load Windows. My $10 USB dvd drive works fine for this (worst case scenario, hook up an old DVD drive long enough to load your OS)

KB/Mouse = $100?! No...just no. I have kids that are not keyboard/mouse friendly. I spend about $30-$40 tops. Maybe once they move out, I'll treat myself to a nice keyboard. "Gaming" keyboards with highlighted WASD keys piss me off. ESDF is vastly superior.

Video card - Ok...yes...I spend this much sometimes. My last card was a Radeon R9 270x w/ 2g which has run all my games without a stutter and after rebates/Newegg codes it was down to ~$170.

On top of all that, I scoured my Newegg emails and Techbargains. I knocked another $70 off my total comp price using Newegg codes for stuff I was already buying.

When I do go to those sites to check their prices, they usually want to charge me way over what I'd pay on sale at Newegg. So far, my machine runs cool and runs every game I've thrown at it at max without stuttering...and it was ~$1100 after all was said and done. I could have gotten away with cheaper if I hadn't wanted to build a micro-atx build this time around.

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But still WAY better than one you bought from HP premade. IMNSHO.

If you want any type of decent gaming rig, you really do have to build your own system or buy a custom-built from one of the manufacture'rs that offer this service. A store bought consumer rig just won't cut it with the major games these days.
I don't even game and I've built all my own rigs since 2002, 4 for myself and 18 for other people. I prefer to pick my own parts even though I don't use them to their full capacity most of the time. I still by the quality parts just for their reliability and when I DO need their full power, I have it and I've never had a part fail yet. In fact, all my other rigs I built are STILL running on the original parts to this day, I sold them to friends with no hesitation. You don't get that from a $30-40 PSU, a $50 GPU &/or cheap RAM, for the most part you get what you pay for so I stick with quality and don't worry about them failing in a year.

Every now & then tho, I have seen a high powered HP (or other brand) rig on Best Buy or Future Shop shelves, still not the quality I get from building my own but getting close.

Originally posted by IguanaC64:

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That machine is way more than I'd pay for a gaming rig.

Case = ~$100, but that's personal preference...can get a decent one for $40 on sale with free shipping.

Mobo = $250? Last gaming mobo I paid that much for was an absolute pos. I go for a good MSI in the ~100-~150 range tops. I could go cheaper if I found one on sale that had the ports I wanted and had some patience.

CPU = I never buy I7 for my gaming rigs...price/perforance is bleh. A decently fast I5 is plenty.

FAN = Ok...this time around I did spend $110 for a 240mm radiator because I built in a small case and wanted to reduce heat inside the case, but generally I can easily get away with stock fans that don't cost near $80. $80 is really for a top end Noctua fan...nice, but not necessary.

RAM = close enough

Power Supply = I only run one video card (I tried SLI...not worth it), using a PS calculator I could get away with a 550w. I bought a oversized 750w Corsair for ~75AR to help with efficiency. People don't NEED 1200w power supplies.

SSD - bought a bad ass Micron 512g SSD...$200

Optical Drive - Don't need one. I don't have any need for an optical drive at all except to load Windows. My $10 USB dvd drive works fine for this (worst case scenario, hook up an old DVD drive long enough to load your OS)

KB/Mouse = $100?! No...just no. I have kids that are not keyboard/mouse friendly. I spend about $30-$40 tops. Maybe once they move out, I'll treat myself to a nice keyboard. "Gaming" keyboards with highlighted WASD keys piss me off. ESDF is vastly superior.

Video card - Ok...yes...I spend this much sometimes. My last card was a Radeon R9 270x w/ 2g which has run all my games without a stutter and after rebates/Newegg codes it was down to ~$170.

On top of all that, I scoured my Newegg emails and Techbargains. I knocked another $70 off my total comp price using Newegg codes for stuff I was already buying.

When I do go to those sites to check their prices, they usually want to charge me way over what I'd pay on sale at Newegg. So far, my machine runs cool and runs every game I've thrown at it at max without stuttering...and it was ~$1100 after all was said and done. I could have gotten away with cheaper if I hadn't wanted to build a mini-itx build this time around.

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MSI MOBOS are POS. I own two of the last gaming ones and regret it all the way. Was so happy in the past with asus...

Originally posted by ispeedca:

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Originally posted by IguanaC64:

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That machine is way more than I'd pay for a gaming rig.

Case = ~$100, but that's personal preference...can get a decent one for $40 on sale with free shipping.

Mobo = $250? Last gaming mobo I paid that much for was an absolute pos. I go for a good MSI in the ~100-~150 range tops. I could go cheaper if I found one on sale that had the ports I wanted and had some patience.

CPU = I never buy I7 for my gaming rigs...price/perforance is bleh. A decently fast I5 is plenty.

FAN = Ok...this time around I did spend $110 for a 240mm radiator because I built in a small case and wanted to reduce heat inside the case, but generally I can easily get away with stock fans that don't cost near $80. $80 is really for a top end Noctua fan...nice, but not necessary.

RAM = close enough

Power Supply = I only run one video card (I tried SLI...not worth it), using a PS calculator I could get away with a 550w. I bought a oversized 750w Corsair for ~75AR to help with efficiency. People don't NEED 1200w power supplies.

SSD - bought a bad ass Micron 512g SSD...$200

Optical Drive - Don't need one. I don't have any need for an optical drive at all except to load Windows. My $10 USB dvd drive works fine for this (worst case scenario, hook up an old DVD drive long enough to load your OS)

KB/Mouse = $100?! No...just no. I have kids that are not keyboard/mouse friendly. I spend about $30-$40 tops. Maybe once they move out, I'll treat myself to a nice keyboard. "Gaming" keyboards with highlighted WASD keys piss me off. ESDF is vastly superior.

Video card - Ok...yes...I spend this much sometimes. My last card was a Radeon R9 270x w/ 2g which has run all my games without a stutter and after rebates/Newegg codes it was down to ~$170.

On top of all that, I scoured my Newegg emails and Techbargains. I knocked another $70 off my total comp price using Newegg codes for stuff I was already buying.

When I do go to those sites to check their prices, they usually want to charge me way over what I'd pay on sale at Newegg. So far, my machine runs cool and runs every game I've thrown at it at max without stuttering...and it was ~$1100 after all was said and done. I could have gotten away with cheaper if I hadn't wanted to build a mini-itx build this time around.

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MSI MOBOS are POS. I own two of the last gaming ones and regret it all the way. Was so happy in the past with asus...

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Its starting to come down to what model it is. Even MSI can have a mobo better than asus,ect now and then.