Originally posted by Ludikhris:

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I guess that depends on your definition of "dead". Mine is "discontinued".... so in my world, it's dead.

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lol :P

it is being reported that PARAMOUNT has OFFICIALLY GONE BLU.

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Paramount Home Entertainment quietly came onboard via a statement sent exclusively to The Hollywood Reporter on Wednesday: "We are pleased that the industry is moving to a single high-definition format, as we believe it is in the best interest of the consumer," the statement reads. "As we look to (begin) releasing our titles on Blu-ray, we will monitor consumer adoption and determine our release plans accordingly.

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now all 6 major studios are BLU

hopefully they release Transformers on Blu-ray soon.

Also Amazon has announced they too have made Blu-ray their high definition format of choice. surely nothing surprising but those looking for an HD-DVD player may want to pick one up soon. retailers are beginning to dump stock and i personally don't see players lasting too long.

the xbox 360 add-on is being rumored to see yet ANOTHER PRICE CUT, this time dropping all the way down to $50.

also here is an article about BestBuy's revamped site promoting Blu-ray. the heading reads as follows:

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Format War Over: Blu-ray Wins! We've got your Blu-ray needs covered.

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link

Thanks hade.

In anticipation of the increased need for BD replication, CINRAM is adding 15 BD50 capable BluRay replication lines to its Olyphant PA facility. They currently have 2 BD50 lines running at this time and the additional 15 will increase their capacity to an estimated 2.5 million discs per week. It's likely that they'll be getting the Oerlikon lines from Singulus (Germany).

(Insider info from Kosty at avsforums.)

I do have one very important question that I am wondering if ANYONE TRULY KNOWS A DEFINITIVE ANSWER; that is 'what is going to happen AND WHEN to the movies that were exclusively released on HD-DVD?' Sony will no doubt have to put those as priority and get them manufactured on Blu-ray I would think.

Originally posted by n3v3rD1e:

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I do have one very important question that I am wondering if ANYONE TRULY KNOWS A DEFINITIVE ANSWER; that is 'what is going to happen AND WHEN to the movies that were exclusively released on HD-DVD?' Sony will no doubt have to put those as priority and get them manufactured on Blu-ray I would think.

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Sony has no control whatsoever on what and when the other formerly HD DVD studios release. For example the HD DVD exclusive title Transformers was released by Paramount/Dreamworks. It's up to Paramount (and not Sony) to decide if and when they'll release that title on BluRay. It's also up to Paramount to decide what to include in the BluRay release.

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Originally posted by n3v3rD1e:

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I do have one very important question that I am wondering if ANYONE TRULY KNOWS A DEFINITIVE ANSWER; that is 'what is going to happen AND WHEN to the movies that were exclusively released on HD-DVD?' Sony will no doubt have to put those as priority and get them manufactured on Blu-ray I would think.

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Sony has no control whatsoever on what and when the other formerly HD DVD studios release. For example the HD DVD exclusive title Transformers was released by Paramount/Dreamworks. It's up to Paramount (and not Sony) to decide if and when they'll release that title on BluRay. It's also up to Paramount to decide what to include in the BluRay release.

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Yeah..........that makes sense now that you clarified it. Thanks! There were a bunch of HD-DVD exclusives I thought (could be wrong though) and it would be appropriate to put those on BD. That would also be very convincing to me to go out and shop for a BD player.

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Originally posted by n3v3rD1e:

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I do have one very important question that I am wondering if ANYONE TRULY KNOWS A DEFINITIVE ANSWER; that is 'what is going to happen AND WHEN to the movies that were exclusively released on HD-DVD?' Sony will no doubt have to put those as priority and get them manufactured on Blu-ray I would think.

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Sony has no control whatsoever on what and when the other formerly HD DVD studios release. For example the HD DVD exclusive title Transformers was released by Paramount/Dreamworks. It's up to Paramount (and not Sony) to decide if and when they'll release that title on BluRay. It's also up to Paramount to decide what to include in the BluRay release.

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Yeah..........that makes sense now that you clarified it. Thanks! There were a bunch of HD-DVD exclusives I thought (could be wrong though) and it would be appropriate to put those on BD. That would also be very convincing to me to go out and shop for a BD player.

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yeah, that's why people still hold on to the hd-dvd players, the transition period gonna last for a while... i brought the hd-dvd add-on just b/c of this reason, you don't know how long some of the hd-dvd exclusives gonna hit Blu-ray.

I betted on Sony's Betamax, a far superior tape product at its introduction but lost to the folks that wanted a gazillion hours on one tape regardless of quality. Decided then not to bet on Sony again.

Now I bet on Toshiba, purchasing two HD-DVD players that will become paper weights because I guessed wrong again.

Hey, I do the same thing with stock picks...buy high....sell low.

I'll add this to my "I have no idea what I am doing" list.

Originally posted by angfern:

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I betted on Sony's Betamax, a far superior tape product at its introduction but lost to the folks that wanted a gazillion hours on one tape regardless of quality. Decided then not to bet on Sony again.

Now I bet on Toshiba, purchasing two HD-DVD players that will become paper weights because I guessed wrong again.

Hey, I do the same thing with stock picks...buy high....sell low.

I'll add this to my "I have no idea what I am doing" list.

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You must be great at poker :P

The Betamax thing is interesting to know... i have to confess, i didn't know about the Betamx vs VHS format war at all till people mentioned when hd-dvd and BD are introduced. Honestly, it's interesting to know, but you can't really use that old format war to predict the outcome of the new format war. There's another variable in the equation, i.e. dvd... of course, before dvds are accepted by the mass, there are other formats, like divx... anyhow, what i'm saying is, there will be people who don't know what HD-DVDs are just like i didn't know what Betamaxes were... It's pretty sad isn't it? At least Betamax is well known :)

I knew the war could have went either way between Blu-ray and HD-DVD, However I felt Sony was Probably going to win because of their huge presence in the movie industry. I got tired of hearing about the stupid war that should have never been on podcast. Of course I watch TV on an antenna because Satellite and Cable Companies insist on bundling a bunch of crap channels into their packages and you have to take more expensive packages even to get the few non-premium channels that are any good. Ala carte the channels and I would be there.

I read and listen about the HD and BluRay and what it boils down too Sony is paying to get their format in use. I guess they are still sore over the Betamax. They must remember the public speaks with their pocketbooks. If they cannot afford to buy it they will not. I grew up and got used to the snowy so called analog TV's and finally got cable where I live, which still has the snowy pictures but more channels of it. The reason they get by with it because it is a monopoly. I did buy a Offair Digital tuner to see what the hype there was. I had to repair my old antenna as the Tuner did not work very well with Rabbit ears or the fancy settop expensive futurastic ones they said I needed. With my old antenna with rotor I get all the local stations most of the time. What the TV Stations are worried about is about 40 million families who do not have access to cable or can afford satellite service with marginal ways to receive Digital reliably. Their lively hood is the local commercials of the nearest Foodmart, gas stations and many others that the stations make most of their operational costs from. I am sure these folks cannot afford Sony's expensive Blu-Ray products as was the Betamax. That is why the VHS won, but to bribe this time is criminal.

Well I'm pretty sure enough people could afford it as it has outsold the cheaper HD-DVD for the fast year...

Don't you understand that Sony has been paying under the table to make this happen. The people buying them are charging them. It's the folks who have to pay cash that will not buy them. I will wait for the price to drop considerably before I do. Only thing I owe on is my car and that is financed with 0% interest. BestBuy CEO consider us deadbeats becasue we pay our cards off every 30 days. If I cannot I don't buy it. That is why so many are in deep financial trouble and the housing markets are tanking. People simply do not see all the interest on interest charges they are paying. I learned my lesson a long time ago, leave the store cards alone. A Visa at a local credit union is the safest way to go. I had a Bestbuy Card and due to the fact you cannot pay in their stores it got lost in the mail. They hit me with a $30 late fee and after a dozen calls got it back but learned my lesson and canceled it. My credit union is down the road and the cashier is better looking.

Originally posted by ronnybuck:

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Don't you understand that Sony has been paying under the table to make this happen.

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Ya as if Toshiba did nothing. The way you put it is wrong. Obviously they both were making "under the table" deals, but to those that were being dealt with, they felt that Sony made the better offer.

Like with the Warner... I'm pretty sure they didn't play dumb and just let Sony have them. Obviously there must of been some kind of bidding war and Sony went over their spending limit.

*Or I should say Blu-Ray in general as it's not just Sony, the company everybody hates usually for stupid reasons :P

I don't think the reasons are stupid. Again it is a matter of economics. Sony produts are more expensive and not that much better for the price. If you don't buy an extended warranty on the new stuff repairing it especially locally is hard. The cheapest is to take it to the dump. I worked in the TV Repair industry for years and Sony was the hardest to get parts and they were very expensive. Sharp was just about as bad. Many stores quit selling them for that reason. For years most depended on RCA and Zenith for reliability and getting them fixed locally. Parts centers carried just about everything except Sony and Sharp parts, they were so proprietary. Can you imagine the shipping costs for repair this day and time? I drive around town and see more and more big screen sets along with the CRT types on curbs waiting for the trash trucks. My son lives in Japan and they are not selling Plasma screens because they do not last as long as LCD. But I thought the plasma had a better picture but recently at Sam's club the newer LCD's are looking good to me and cheaper. I may use my Tax Rebate and get one. I don't know if you know Clark Howard a talk radio personality but he says do not buy exteded warranties as the big screens last a lot longer now. There are only 2 repair shops in this area and one of them wants a minimum $300 to look at one. Repairing is extra. I just take care of my own and occassionly family but retired and have no place to put them.

The whole thing is just ridiculous in my opinion. As soon as the whole world buys BluRay they will have to come out with some other absolutely fantastic system, because the market for BluRay will be saturated. My guess is this will probably take about a year.
It's like buying a computer...it's obsolite by the time you get it home.

Amen brother. The word is that there will be something bigger and better. How about a pull down screen that can be viewed from both sides or Halographic where you can stand in the middle of the action. When through viewing the screen can disappear into the ceiling and all you have is a little black box not some big hulking dark thing that collects dust all day. The future is just around the corner.

I expected the format war to end, but only after years of battle!

I did not expect it to come this quickly, I woke up and bam! in front of me, "HD-DVD dropped by Toshiba".

If you take a look at my nick, you will know who I was supporting...

Originally posted by BluRay:

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I expected the format war to end, but only after years of battle!

I did not expect it to come this quickly, I woke up and bam! in front of me, "HD-DVD dropped by Toshiba".

If you take a look at my nick, you will know who I was supporting...

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Lmao :P

Wow, this article has produced over 5 pages of rants, just amazing....

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I am glad the better one won.

Originally posted by goodswipe:

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Wow, this article has produced over 5 pages of rants, just amazing....

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I know, it took me an hour to read them all. I think Horrabin had the best post though, he had some good points in there. He deserves a cookie.

LOL, and I thought I was the king of posting images, good one! Man, that cookie sure does look appetizing!

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Good riddance!

Finally died the death it sorely deserved.
HD-DVD was a like a man that been shot in the leg, stabbed 10 times, beaten over the head with a baseball bat and doused in gasoline and was crawling along the floor..

In other words, clinging onto life.

Now the forums can be at peace again :)

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The war is over and hd dvd is dead now but why are they still trying to beat a dead horse. Why do you still try to invest in a format that has its day in the sun. Focus on Blu-Ray and make the new machine Blu-Ray ready.