Will Microsoft ride in as white knight to save Winamp from its imminent demise?

Bad news, in that ShoutCast is definitely slated to shut down, but good news, if the white knight really saves the day...

Winamp is an Internet Icon, I would hate to see it go. I have used it off and on since at least 98'.

I've never used anything BUT WinAMP for audio on my PC. I can't stand the overemphasis on "libraries" that most other players rely on (although it does also support libraries). Video is another story, although WinAMP is fine for that too.

JamaX

Is this not a "revo" publicity stunt ,Winamp's build a name( "branded product with a high good will name")and stil on milions of pc's,No bleepin way..........or is it.........nah......

I don't see this happening. I see the source code being released before MS buys it. I could be wrong though.

Originally posted by Scaldari:

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Winamp is an Internet Icon, I would hate to see it go. I have used it off and on since at least 98'.

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Originally posted by s_c47:

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I don't see this happening. I see the source code being released before MS buys it. I could be wrong though.

Originally posted by Scaldari:

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Winamp is an Internet Icon, I would hate to see it go. I have used it off and on since at least 98'.

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How do you use it when it's off? ;)

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YES they were an ICON but sometimes it's easier to go and let others fill in the gaps. There's VLC.

VLC is terrible, except as a player for broken or incomplete files (such as previewing eMule downloads). Its internal codecs and scaling algorithms suck.

Originally posted by ChappyTTV:

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I haven't used Winamp for some time now but I would Still hate to see it go. Would MS support it properly if they do take it over or would it be better off as an Open Source app? I don't know the answer but whatever happens I'd like to see it developed/maintained properly, maybe it can make a comeback as one of the top dawgs again.

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WinAmp was never a good platform so I definitely can see it go bye-bye... It will be another waste of money on MS's list, bad move Microsoft.

Winamp is just another brick in the wall if it goes to Microsoft.
It's definitely a shame about Shoutcast though, hopefully that at least goes open source or survives this whole ordeal.

Originally posted by s_c47:

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Originally posted by ChappyTTV:

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I haven't used Winamp for some time now but I would Still hate to see it go. Would MS support it properly if they do take it over or would it be better off as an Open Source app? I don't know the answer but whatever happens I'd like to see it developed/maintained properly, maybe it can make a comeback as one of the top dawgs again.

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Hahaha. That's the first time I've ever been called a troll.

I think it would be better as open source, than a Microsoft product. But that's just my opinion, based on my experience and dislike of most MS offerings (disclosure: I use Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit).

If they were smart, they would buy it, and then release the code, in keeping with Bill Gates' philanthropy. But that would definitely not happen.

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The troll thing seems to be more about disagreement then just someone always looking for a fight, it's thrown around too easily by some. Much like Fanboy is used....

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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The troll thing seems to be more about disagreement then just someone always looking for a fight, it's thrown around too easily by some. Much like Fanboy is used....

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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The troll thing seems to be more about disagreement then just someone always looking for a fight, it's thrown around too easily by some. Much like Fanboy is used....

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Originally posted by s_c47:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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The troll thing seems to be more about disagreement then just someone always looking for a fight, it's thrown around too easily by some. Much like Fanboy is used....

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Relax. I'm not mad. I got it.

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Originally posted by s_c47:

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Hahaha. That's the first time I've ever been called a troll.

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True...

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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True...

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That's funny.... ;D

Has the obvious joke and friendly ribbing - yes I got it, yes funny - been trampled out of existence by explanation, apology and niceness yet? :P

"Pilot... fly this thread to Cuba!"



...In the meantime I loved the Winamp visualisations. I used to install the bugger just for that.

A pity in a way, I bought a licence and used it for a while for everything audio, even sometimes as a ripper and converter when I wasn't too particular about the result, but it got over complicated, and I dropped it for Foobar.
Same way as I'd dropped Real Player for WinAmp.
Sorry to see it go ? - Yes - Better it went Open Source.
God forbid MS should seriously take it up, but it couldn't be much worse than Windows Media Player, could it ?
(I use Media Player Classic and/or VLC for Video, mostly MPC Home Cinema)

Nothing wrong with MediaPlayer, nothing extreme that is as it does have it's faults. Random play is a joke with MP as one example. But VLC can be a decent alternative however it too has its faults as well. It's been my experience with most if not all players that there are issues and it is a matter of what you can live with the most. That is why I use a handful of different media players on a daily basis, MPC however isn't one of them, not that it is bad though.

It is for the reason you touched on that MS bought them out, more features for expanding their own MP/MC, I hope it is worth the money for the source code/licensing rights they may gain.

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Has the obvious joke and friendly ribbing - yes I got it, yes funny - been trampled out of existence by explanation, apology and niceness yet? :P

"Pilot... fly this thread to Cuba!"

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Comparison of audio player:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_audio_player_software

Downloads:
https://www.techsupportalert.com/conten...ers.htm#Jaangle

Chappy it really isn't worth it with Jemborg you're just wasting your time as I've been down that road before, a freight train of facts wouldn't make a difference... He's just Trolling.... LOL

Hope it's Epic! Cheers!!

I'll have to play with MusicBee that looks pretty nice!

Yup: MusicBee is the man!

P.S.
Winamp as a good chance to be an open source, since AOL already did open source of Wasabi (10yrs. ago) with the Z-lib (BSD-style); and they could open source more code.

Have a good one Chappy, here's hoping you taste the sweet mead of victory instead of the ashes of defeat today.

Asus Xonar Essence STX hey! ...so that's worth it?



Since we are on the subject of players... The latest VLC v2.1 (and above) is failing to pass-thru digital!!!!!

Something has happened and I guess I'll have to head to their forums to find out what it is. :/

I had to go back to VLC v2.0.8 to get back the "A/32 over S/PDIF" option which you need to select if you want to pass DD5.1 etc. over coax/toslink/hdmi to your receiver: Audio> Audio Devices> S/PDIF

OK guys, it's a damn good thing that I'm typing this as I have nothing left for a voice today, I don't think "Insane" is a big enough adjective for what happened here last night.
Riders just went to work and did what this team was built to do, win it all in Rider Nation!
31-6 @ halftime, 45-23 final & the party didn't end till the wee hours.
We have an area that's called The Green Mile going down the centre street of the City, and in a weird twist Tom Hanks was at the game with Martin Short, albeit cheering for the wrong team, but they both hit the Green Mile to take in the party...it was ironically cool.

And Jem, yes it was worth it. The card has a sweet response throughout the entire range and does make a difference with a quality FLAC file. I swapped out some Opamps to get a smoother sound in the high ranges. I used the LME49720's in the I/V spots and an LM6172 in the buffer.
I got it partially to run thru my Sennheiser HD595 cans, which come to life with the built-in amp on the card, but overall this card performs flawlessly.

I gotta rest some more, I think the entire City & Province took today off, we need more time to recover...WOOT!!

Sennhesier makes good headphones no doubt, the US Military and most of aviation use them as well. I'd much rather crank up a good amp and speakers myself, although I did have some induced noise with a poor power source and different ground planes to deal with, but cleared that up with a good power conditioner and a high quality isolation transformer buffering the RCA's so my noise floor is now studio quality. Now all I need to do is get a good mic preamp with some bells and whistles and I'll be set for live music, karaoke, studio reproduction, or even compressed music even though it doesn't meet my performance levels, however with little noise it isn't bad. Crown XLS's is my neighborhood among other gear. Love music too....

Congrats Chappy....

Amp. QSC (Cristal clear sound) over Crown (Power).
Speakers: Electro-Voice (1927) over JBL (1946).

If your Sound System is Good:
You can talk-listen to another person right in-front on the speakers when are playing at high volume.

Congrats on the win Chappy.

I use Shoutcast every day. Is there another way of finding these wonderfully idiosyncratic stations anywhere else?

Try Musicbee.
The only downside from (ShoutCast-Winamp) is the lack to stream from it, less stations to choose from & less skins.
(ULTRA is my fav. For Alternative Rock, no ads).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1ryIctU8A0

IceCast: http://dir.xiph.org/index.php

Originally posted by Mrguss:

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Amp. QSC (Cristal clear sound) over Crown (Power).
Speakers: Electro-Voice (1927) over JBL (1946).

If your Sound System is Good:
You can talk-listen to another person right in-front on the speakers when are playing at high volume.

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Cheer!
I gonna try one Crown: I-Tech HD.

Originally posted by Mrguss:

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Try Musicbee.
The only downside from (ShoutCast-Winamp) is the lack to stream from it, less stations to choose from & less skins.
(ULTRA is my fav. For Alternative Rock, no ads).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1ryIctU8A0

IceCast: http://dir.xiph.org/index.php

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Congrats on the win Chappy.

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Sennhesier makes good headphones no doubt, the US Military and most of aviation use them as well. I'd much rather crank up a good amp and speakers myself, although I did have some induced noise with a poor power source and different ground planes to deal with, but cleared that up with a good power conditioner and a high quality isolation transformer buffering the RCA's so my noise floor is now studio quality. Now all I need to do is get a good mic preamp with some bells and whistles and I'll be set for live music, karaoke, studio reproduction, or even compressed music even though it doesn't meet my performance levels, however with little noise it isn't bad. Crown XLS's is my neighborhood among other gear. Love music too....

Congrats Chappy....

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I use a Yamaha front end with Crown XLS 2500 amps, Klipsch Horn speakers with Klipsch LaScalla's and Klipsch KLF 20's as reinforcement surrounds with a Klipsch SC3 center plus I'm building bass reflex Eminence 12in with Selenium Professional Horn Drivers (Tweeter/Midrange). I also have Klipsch 12" Subs as well as some Dayton Audio RSS390HF-4 15" Reference HF Subwoofer's 4 Ohm that I'm also building. I have Mixing boards, a Karaoke system professional, several different mic's based around Shure M58's & SM58's, I do need a better mic preamp and I could use a sound effects board but I have almost a full small studio.

I dabble just a little bit with audio but not as much as the average kid does these days, right! LOL

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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I use a Yamaha front end with Crown XLS 2500 amps, Klipsch Horn speakers with Klipsch LaScalla's and Klipsch KLF 20's as reinforcement surrounds with a Klipsch SC3 center plus I'm building bass reflex Eminence 12in with Selenium Professional Horn Drivers (Tweeter/Midrange). I also have Klipsch 12" Subs as well as some Dayton Audio RSS390HF-4 15" Reference HF Subwoofer's 4 Ohm that I'm also building. I have Mixing boards, a Karaoke system professional, several different mic's based around Shure M58's & SM58's, I do need a better mic preamp and I could use a sound effects board but I have almost a full small studio.

I dabble just a little bit with audio but not as much as the average kid does these days, right! LOL

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I miss my reel-to-reels too I had both Akia's GX's and TEAC's. I also had several EV's Voice of the theaters, RTR towers with the plug into the wall electrostatic tweeter among many other toys. It looks like you too had some good toys I don't know what I'd do with out my audio gear, love good sound environments but I've also worked with a lot of musicians over the years too, not so much now unfortunately and used to play and sing years ago but the old voice isn't what it use to be when I was a kid. Ya I wish you could come over I'm sure we would like similar music and could have a good time.

TEAC is public & TASCAM is the pro brand.

I use TASCAM for recording CD-RW's & CD-R's.
As a DJ. should I upgrade to: !?
http://tascam.com/product/cd-rw901sl/

My next step is recording DVD-RW's & DVD-R's.

TEAC was Pro too, actually in the day TEAC was premier gear, top of the line. TEAC isn't obviously what they were a couple decades ago just like Marantz & Harman Kardon isn't either

That Tascam looks pretty good and I like the pitch adjust feature too so I could see buying one of those but I would probably goes with one of their master recorders like the DA-3000 or the HS-4000.

Here is a picture of the old Akai GX-230D I had many years ago.
Akai GX-230D
You'll find it mid-way down the page.

Originally posted by Mrguss:

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TEAC is public & TASCAM is the pro brand.

I use TASCAM for recording CD-RW's & CD-R's.
As a DJ. should I upgrade to: !?
http://tascam.com/product/cd-rw901sl/

My next step is recording DVD-RW's & CD-R's.

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All of my 7" & 10" tapes started to fall apart after a decade or so of use and sitting. The magnetic bias would just peel off, which was sad since I had a ton of music that I lost and party tapes gone. I did have a TEAC 4ch too, I forget the model # off hand, and we used it for recording in a friends basement who I grew up with. I also used it with some good bands like The Daisy Dillman Band and a few others. I'm with you on the old days. ;D

I remember those TEAC reel-to-reel when my friends & I open our first discotheque in my town (70's - 80's). We use to buy the mix tapes (Reels) from a well known Disco.

In the 80's. I start doing my own mix-tapes; in 2000 I start mixing CD's. & now is almost time to start mixing DVD's.

I know: I'm behind many DJ's & VJ's. But for me mixing is just a hobby.

I think you should thing Blu-ray and skip DVD as the time spread would be like/better then the old reel-to-reels were in the day. You can get a lot of music on a Blu-ray with sample rates of 192KHz, great fidelity and long play, the best of both worlds. Love music! Like Chappy...

Agree:
I thought it awhile ago, just like in the 80's when I decide to get CD's as a source in stead of tapes.

Now is time to make the jump to BR as a source and skip DVD's.
Good thing that I only have 100- DVD's on music video clips.

Next:
http://tascam.com/product/bd-r2000/

The main caveat there is, BD-Rs are more expensive, byte-for-byte, than hard drives currently are, and are FAR slower than HDs. A 25-pack of 50GB Blu-Ray blank disks costs $65-80, depending on manufacturer and distributor, for a total of 1.25TB of storage. I know for a fact that 2TB+ external HDs currently run for the exact same price range. Just check out Newegg, especially their newsletter discounts, if you don't believe me; they recently offered a 3GB external for $89. BD-RWs are FAR more expensive than BR-Rs, as well.

You quite literally can archive external HDs for less and gain faster access/write times; they are fully erasable/rewritable AND take up less space, to boot (for an equivalent amount of storage). HDs also don't require the acquisition of a separate BD burner, which will ALSO cost nearly as much as an external HD - lol.

Quite a few recent receivers/"media center" boxes support external HDs, whether by USB or ethernet, as well.

Edit --> Ugh, kept using "GB" instead of "TB"...

Agree.

But I think the mayor problem I face is that original video clips on BD are not many & I'm no-fan of live concerts on video or audio.

Get streamed MPEG4 videos to my hard drive (no DRM but with a watermark) is no bad. But is no greater that the real physical disc.
PromoOnly-Pool

Originally posted by Mrguss:

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Agree:
I thought it awhile ago, just like in the 80's when I decide to get CD's as a source in stead of tapes.

Now is time to make the jump to BR as a source and skip DVD's.
Good thing that I only have 100- DVD's on music video clips.

Next:
http://tascam.com/product/bd-r2000/

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Originally posted by Bozobub:

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The main caveat there is, BD-Rs are more expensive, byte-for-byte, than hard drives currently are, and are FAR slower than HDs. A 25-pack of 50GB Blu-Ray blank disks costs $65-80, depending on manufacturer and distributor, for a total of 1.25GB of storage. I know for a fact that 2GB+ external HDs currently run for the exact same price range. Just check out Newegg, especially their newsletter discounts, if you don't believe me; they recently offered a 3GB external for $89. BD-RWs are FAR more expensive than BR-Rs, as well.

You quite literally can archive external HDs for less and gain faster access/write times; they are fully erasable/rewritable AND take up less space, to boot (for an equivalent amount of storage). HDs also don't require the acquisition of a separate BD burner, which will ALSO cost nearly as much as an external HD - lol.

Quite a few recent receivers/"media center" boxes support external HDs, whether by USB or ethernet, as well.

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Even flash memory eventually fails, you know, after extensive use. NOTHING is permanent. CDs/DVDs/Blu-Rays can delaminate after 5-15 years (greatly varying by conditions stored in and manufacturer), for example.

Remember, I'm responding to people who are already speaking about BD-Rs. For cost:storage (and cost:cubic volume taken), there's no comparison; the opticals lose. For resistance to damage, the jury is out; BOTH HDs and BDs are vulnerable in different ways.

USB sticks are a LOT - like 15-25x - more expensive than either optical or HD storage, by cost:bytes stored. Yes, they are quite a bit more durable, but how many people can afford a huge collection of high-capacity USB sticks? Currently, a SanDisk 32GB stick costs roughly $60, FFS! It's true that most people wouldn't need to use more then 5-10 32GB sticks, unless they keep mostly FLAC tracks and or a huge amount of music, but we are talking about audiophiles here, you know?

Fair enough :) ... I'm not really recommending flash sticks here Bozo... except for important documents and pictures and vids maybe. I've never known one to fail... yet. I've had them go through the wash and they've still come out ok.

I actually agree with you. I would use HDDs over recording with BD-Rs. I'm just saying if the data is really important to you then make sure you back it up elsewhere like another HDD (which admittedly adds to the costs).



PS: $60!!! where do you go man? I can score a SanDisk 64GB locally for about that price! http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf

PSS: I used to have Denon and Kef stuff back in the day myself.

*shrug* That was off a quick Google search. I didn't even check Newegg.

Frankly, if the data is that important, and isn't overly "sensitive", cloud storage is probably the best current alternative, if you have good enough internet bandwidth.

Lot of if's.........

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Lot of if's.........

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I going to go with:
http://www.amazon.com/Tascam-BD-R2000-H...recorder+player
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http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-97457-Bl...+ray+blank+disc

25 BR-R for $25 is no bad.

1.- Remember since I own all the video-clips: I don't need high-density storage (Cloud or double or triple layer BR disc to record/store one song at the time, like most people do).
2.- I also don't need BR-RW's 'cos usually on my second (80 mins.) "mix-try" the mix are coming perfect. non-edit needed. So yes I can trash my first $1 BR-R "test" 'cos I'm confident that my second "Test" will be my "Master".

I gonna start mixing regular DVD's into BR's for now, 'til I get original video-clips on BR's to use as a source.
Hope by then; Pioneer start making VJ Turntables that support BR's.

The "BVJ-X1"
DJ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULA8Q1djn4w
VJ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmf6jQTm5y0

That has to be coming next. That Pioneer board is sick, how many overlays can it do in real time? Looks like plenty. That's a good deal on Amazon. If Christmas and one of my sisters didn't hit me hard I might think about the BD-R2000 although I really need to get a couple or more of the Crown XLS 2500's.

Way to go Mrguss!

Again, you're looking at 650GB total storage for $25; that still ends up more expensive, by the byte, than HDs.

Again you wouldn't understand.

Originally posted by Bozobub:

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Again, you're looking at 650GB total storage for $25; that still rends up more expensive, by the byte, than HDs.

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He doesn't get how you are using it, as you said you'd have to be a musician to understand, and that's hitting the nail on the head squarely.

I'm envious myself.

No, I get it. Snob factor FTL =) . You're just stuck on the format. And no, not a single VJ board supports BRs (yet, funny enough, most of them support external HDs - lol). Furthermore, you can duplicate most, if not all, of the functions of one of those systems with a laptop running WinAMP and Milkdrop.

You need to decide whether you're doing this for portability, durability, or capacity/cost per byte (you can pick any two). Point of fact, BD-Rs are inferior in each of those categories. Nor is there a single usage, where BD-Rs can be used but none of the other options can be.

WinAMP really, that says a lot, but like I've said before, it isn't worth arguing with a broken record. Although you have some good points, and I was well aware of them long before you reiterated them. You are not totally correct and I'll leave it at that, since it is an obvious waste of time.

If you don't put forth your counterpoints, you are merely insisting. You have not produced one actual counterpoint. Sorry, but that does not define truth, it defines you as smug and self-satisfied.

I know for a fact that a good number of DJs/VJs actually DO use WinAMP + Milkdrop. No, it doesn't have quite as many functions as some dedicated systems, but it's also *cough* free.

Again, be as elitist as you like. That's a quite common audiophile trait. So is paying far too much for exceedingly shaky tech, at times =3 . The number of orgasmic audiophile reviews on those things... Amazingly funny.

Even if you want to do shows, a large external drive currently is FAR more useful than any Blu-Ray setup, sorry, and is also significantly less expensive and more portable to boot. Even many (if not most) of the "Pro" consoles and rack systems support USB (and often ethernet) storage, and for damn good reason. Your snark will not negate these facts in the slightest.

*double post*

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What would I do? For home use, I'd set up a NAS (Network Attached Storage) on my network, and install a RAID 5 or RAID 10 hot-swappable HD array. It's the standard in IT for a reason. If any given HD (or multiple HDs, with the proper RAID setup) fails, you simply buy another HD, swap it out, and drive on; your data is intact. It's probably the best price/reliability compromise. If you need portable playback, you can always use a single good-sized USB stick and change out the contents when necessary.

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It's not worth it Jem....

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Originally posted by Bozobub:

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What would I do? For home use, I'd set up a NAS (Network Attached Storage) on my network, and install a RAID 5 or RAID 10 hot-swappable HD array. It's the standard in IT for a reason. If any given HD (or multiple HDs, with the proper RAID setup) fails, you simply buy another HD, swap it out, and drive on; your data is intact. It's probably the best price/reliability compromise. If you need portable playback, you can always use a single good-sized USB stick and change out the contents when necessary.

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That's nice but it's not as cheap as you make out. (And if you you use archive HDDs then double the price.)

At 4 cents a GB the BluRay disks are cheaper... but not by a whole lot.

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MY BRs! lol

I don't actually disagree with you in general Boz except on your over optimistic pricing. You're out by 1TB. And that's still not counting the archive or NAS version HDDs...

http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf

Heck, I just had yet another HDD failure to deal with today!

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MY BRs! lol

I don't actually disagree with you in general Boz except on your over optimistic pricing. You're out by 1TB. And that's still not counting the archive or NAS version HDDs...

http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf

Heck, I just had yet another HDD failure to deal with today!

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...You're just stuck on the format.

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Originally posted by Bozobub:

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...most VJ board supports external HDs - lol).

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Originally posted by Bozobub:

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you can duplicate... with a laptop running WinAMP and Milkdrop.

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Originally posted by Bozobub:

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You need to decide whether you're doing this for portability, durability, or capacity/cost per byte

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Originally posted by Bozobub:

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Point of fact, BD-Rs are inferior in each of those categories. Nor is there a single usage, where BD-Rs can be used but none of the other options can be.

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- Cloud storage only works if you have sufficient bandwidth available. NOT a universal solution, by any means.

- No one but you has mentioned mp3s or mp4s. FLAC, for example, is lossless beyond, of course, the inevitable sampling loss from converting analog to digital, but ALL digital formats will share at least this flaw.

- If you want to make masters, FLAC (or a similar lossless codec, if you prefer) is the way to go, once again. No CD or DVD-audio format can compare, sorry.

- Even mp3s, at a high enough bitrate and sampling frequency, can be superior to CDs. Are you unaware that redbook (CD) audio is also a digital, LOSSY format?

- The "Pro" decks don't support BRs, simply because the format is already pretty much obsolete, until/unless the 250GB disks come out for commercial use AND are affordable, which is definitely not a given.

- You are the only one who mentioned karaoke or Guitar Hero.

If you were worried only about "the best", that would make sense, except nothing about BRs is, in fact, "the best", except perhaps their aerodynamics when used as a frisbee or ranged weapon. Once again, you're relying on perceived snoot factor vs. actual value or functionality.

Good for you Mrguss,but as you can see here comes the Bozo one more time so hopully you can see it is a waste of time trying to help him see the light. but good try and you hit it square for the most part.

Way to go...

Again, actual counterpoints or you fail. Snide insinuation is not debate, sorry.

Originally posted by Bozobub:

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...Cloud storage only works if you have sufficient bandwidth available. NOT a universal solution, by any means.

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Originally posted by Bozobub:

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No one but you has mentioned mp3s or mp4s. FLAC, for example, is lossless beyond, of course, the inevitable sampling loss from converting analog to digital, but ALL digital formats will share at least this flaw.
...If you want to make masters, FLAC (or a similar lossless codec, if you prefer) is the way to go, once again. No CD or DVD-audio format can compare, sorry.
...Even mp3s, at a high enough bitrate and sampling frequency, can be superior to CDs. Are you unaware that redbook (CD) audio is also a digital, LOSSY format?

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Originally posted by Bozobub:

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The "Pro" decks don't support BRs, simply because the format is already pretty much obsolete, until/unless the 250GB disks come out for commercial use AND are affordable, which is definitely not a given.

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Originally posted by Bozobub:

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...If you were worried only about "the best", that would make sense, except nothing about BRs is, in fact, "the best", except perhaps their aerodynamics when used as a frisbee or ranged weapon. Once again, you're relying on perceived snoot factor vs. actual value or functionality.

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And how much you paying for those large Blu-Rays, hmm? lol

Oh, and guess Hhat? hard drives ARE the most common storage throughout Hollywood. Backups, if they're smart, wil be via many media.

Hollywood & TV Stations on Media Recording usage as 2012:

1.- SSD (Solid-State Memory, Flash memory, AKA thumb drives)
2.- Videotape
3.- HDD (Hard Disk Drives)
4.- Optical Discs
5.- Film

SSD since the 50's
Flash Memory since the 80's

-Flash cost 3x per bit than drives. That is why many Computers makers still using HDD. We also saw many hybrids. Today SSD are more common in laptops & desktop, but cost more.
-SSD's faster than Hybrids & HDD's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPFp2F-GIDM
-Flash Consume 80% less energy that drives.
-Flash is the most used on Big-Data centers 'cos use less cooling energy & (Tier 0) have a high data transfer rates.
-SSD's as higher shock resistance & portability.
-Flash memory chips are used in tablets, notebook, smart phones, USB sticks & SSDs.
-Good choice for your everyday data storage needs.
-Around 200 companies are making SSDs.

But:
-Data does wear out the more times you write to it.
-Debatable life span.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive

This has all been very informative.

Good job Guss!

YW :)

Next:
Universal memory:

1.- SSD's with MRAM.- Lower power consumption, faster & no data degradation over time, Will replace SRAM, DRAM (volatile RAM), EEPROM & flash memory.

2.- Optical Disc with embedded "MRAM" (This time call it: PRAM Phase-change RAM) like:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/patent...ddvd,16601.html
...provably for holographic BR Disc or else!?
The idea is old (80's) "used" on the mini magneto optical disc.

lol
The #2 was my personal Sci-Fi Stun of the day.

Cheers again.