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New releases on HD DVD gaining momentum

Written by Rich Fiscus (Google+) @ 21 Dec 2007 17:56 User comments (27)

New releases on HD DVD gaining momentum As sales trends over the Christmas shopping period are being charted an interesting trend is starting to come into focus. While the overall figures have continued to favor Blu-ray over HD DVD in terms of Title sales, higher player sales due to superior prices is finally starting to pay off for HD DVD supporters. Blockbusters such as 'The Bourne Ultimatum' and 'Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix' on HD DVD are reversing a long running trend by outselling their Blu-ray equivalents.
As each side in this format war has spent the year positioning themselves to deliver a knockout blow and claim the title of Successor to DVD for themselves, every comparison between the two has been followed by a loud (and usually at least partly justified) declaration from the other that the numbers are biased and misleading. Among common complaints are counting game consoles as Blu-ray standalones and free (as in Buy one, Get one) titles as sales.

Ken Graffeo, Universal executive VP of marketing and co-president of the North American HD DVD Promotional Group said “I think the fourth quarter is going to be interesting,” said Graffeo. “If you break out the hits, I think we will be even. But the aggressive discounting, with catalog [of buy one, get one free offers], can inflate the numbers.”

“This is a real testament to the momentum we are gaining with the set-top players,” said Graffeo. “We are beginning to realize the attach rate with movie sales.”

Of course, as with all comparisons between HD DVD and Blu-ray this will no doubt get equal spin from both sides until the only clear fact that remains is we still don't have a dominant HD disc format yet.

Source: Video Business

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27 user comments

121.12.2007 23:33

once the majority of consumers (not the tech-savvy/early-adopters) buys in I believe the disc sales numbers will favor HD DVD because of the lower hardware prices.
if BD hardware prices match HD then that will be even more interesting =D

221.12.2007 23:37
evz
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Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
once the majority of consumers (not the tech-savvy/early-adopters) buys in I believe the disc sales numbers will favor HD DVD because of the lower hardware prices.
if BD hardware prices match HD then that will be even more interesting =D
That's interesting. Because as far as I'm concerned the cheapest 1080p HD DVD player is the A30 at $399 msrp. And Blu-ray now has two players some Sony and Samsung at $299 each.

P.S: I don't own an HD player.

321.12.2007 23:49

Quote:
Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
once the majority of consumers (not the tech-savvy/early-adopters) buys in I believe the disc sales numbers will favor HD DVD because of the lower hardware prices.
if BD hardware prices match HD then that will be even more interesting =D
That's interesting. Because as far as I'm concerned the cheapest 1080p HD DVD player is the A30 at $399 msrp. And Blu-ray now has two players some Sony and Samsung at $299 each.

P.S: I don't own an HD player.
TRUE
me, you and most readers know that, but people will be at retail stores and see the HD A3 for $199 with the 1080i on it. It'll have to be one hell of a salesperson to convince them to get 1080p for the extra $100

p.s. I'd love to see a dual-format player hit $299, wouldn't that be great

edit: typos and p.s.
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 21 Dec 2007 @ 23:58

421.12.2007 23:57
camaro17
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wait arent all blu-ray players 1080p, i think that hd dvd should make all of their players 1080p, the to show the true potential of it, your not getting full hd, even though the potential isnt as high as blu-ray. BLU-RAY KICKS ASS!!

Peace

522.12.2007 0:00

Originally posted by camaro17:
wait arent all blu-ray players 1080p, i think that hd dvd should make all of their players 1080p, the to show the true potential of it, your not getting full hd, even though the potential isnt as high as blu-ray. BLU-RAY KICKS ASS!!

Peace
I agree all future HD DVD players should be 1080p
but you are getting full HD, lets not get into the whole i v.s. p thing
what potential are you talking about?

p.s. I'm not an HD DVD fanboy I'm purple =D

622.12.2007 0:03
camaro17
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Quote:
what potential are you talking about?

i have know idea man im just trying to kidd with the hd dvd fanboys(if you know who im talking about lol) and what do you mean i vs. p thing, p is better than i.

722.12.2007 0:09

Quote:
Quote:
what potential are you talking about?

i have know idea man im just trying to kidd with the hd dvd fanboys(if you know who im talking about lol) and what do you mean i vs. p thing, p is better than i.
LOL I know who
yea P is better than i technically I guess. I have a 55" with the HD A3 and a PS3 both through HDMI and it looks the same to me, and I looked verrry carefully

822.12.2007 0:35

You guys forget that the average customer is a retard. Why do you think companies are still selling 720i, 720p, and 1080i's? Customers see "hi-def" and blow their money. So the average customer is not going to care if the player is actually 1080p--and that is why the price is still up there for 1080p TV's and we still see these low contrast ratio generic TV's. The companies will always try to sell a piece of crap so they can sell a less of a piece of crap next year.

I have no idea which is going to win. I do favor HD-DVD overall (and I don't own either) but in all reality the dual formats are lowering the price. So I am glad there are two.

922.12.2007 0:42

Originally posted by gallagher:
You guys forget that the average customer is a retard. Why do you think companies are still selling 720i, 720p, and 1080i's?
HAHA..retards (tech-wise)..exactly

1022.12.2007 4:46
nobrainer
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Go HD-DVD lets not hand over total control to the MPAA!

where is nextgen to say but, but, but,,,,,,,,,blu-ray ray is far superior to hd-dvd because it has BD+ DRM that the MPAA love and choose as their format of choice, and they want to have total control of the hardware and software so they screw us over with their anti consumer orwellian, propertarian lock outs. you gotta "respect" sony's (MPAA/RIAA/Soundexchange/AACS LA) grab at the entire market, haven't you?

Blu-Ray BD+ DRM hands total control of coding over to the studios and allows them under 4th lv countermeasures to inject whatever code they wish into our hardware to stop piracy because now we are all guilty until proven innocent.

Please scrap DRM and the global price fixing that is region codes! we know you love to price fix sony but ffs.

http://www.lik-sang.com/

Originally posted by link:
FTA:

A Sony spokesperson declined to comment directly on the lawsuit against Lik-Sang, but recently went on to tell Gamesindustry.biz that "ultimately, we're trying to protect consumers from being sold hardware that does not conform to strict EU or UK consumer safety standards, due to voltage supply differences et cetera; is not - in PS3's case - backwards compatible with either PS1 or PS2 software; will not play European Blu-Ray movies or DVDs; and will not be covered by warranty".

ah sony just wanted to protect us all by charging us £200 more, aren't they kind!


Crash course on the business model of the RIAA/MPAA:
Sue customers without any concrete evidence
Utilize copy protection and DRM to prevent customers from using content as they wish
Try to extend the life of copyright well beyond the life of the original creator
Claim that fair use is a bad thing or that it does not exist
Convert a civil offense into a criminal offence and use the police to enforce civil offenses
Reduce artists royalties
Demand a percentage of all monies earned by artists
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1122.12.2007 6:11
hughjars
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Here's some other interesting snippets -

Quote:
DEC. 21 | Fourth-quarter HD DVD releases The Bourne Ultimatum and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix are outpacing similarly high-profile Blu-ray titles, according to Universal Studios Home Entertainment and other industry research sources.

In its first week on sale, starting Dec. 11, the Bourne single-disc HD DVD configuration sold 60,000 units, doubling the 30,000 units Spider-Man 3 sold during its street week in its similar individual Blu-ray SKU. Counting other configurations, including its BD trilogy, Spider-Man 3 reached higher six-day numbers, according to distributor Sony Pictures Home Entertainment.

Universal could only provide data on the Bourne single SKU. But the studio expects the pattern to continue when sales information can be gathered in the next several days for its own HD DVD Bourne trilogy set.

Additionally, notes Universal research, Warner Home Video’s HD DVD release of Order of the Phoenix is edging out the titles’ BD version by a 55-to-45 ratio. Order of the Phoenix also streeted Dec. 11.
That claim matches information gathered from Amazon.com sales rankings in recent weeks.

These HD DVD success stories do mark a reversal from the overall trend of BD titles topping its rival. Generally, BD sales trump HD DVD sales by a 2-to-1 ratio.
http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6515097.html

(It has to be said that with a supposed 10:1+ lead in the number of players - of all kinds - even the average 2:1 lead on the old numbers wasn't impressing anyone in the business - except those blind PS3/Blu-ray fanboys unwilling to see the wood for the trees).

I think people here know I have been saying this is what has been on the cards for months but I will refrain from the obvious 'told you so's'.

People might also be interested in knowing Warner are set to give a press-conference at HD DVD's CES main event......

.....hmmm, wonder what that's all about, huh?

LMAO


1222.12.2007 6:49
hughjars
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Originally posted by evz:
That's interesting. Because as far as I'm concerned the cheapest 1080p HD DVD player is the A30 at $399 msrp. And Blu-ray now has two players some Sony and Samsung at $299 each.
- Your prices are out of date evz.

The Toshiba HD A30
(which is 1080p for those interested in such things and who have the HD TV which can make use of it)
has been retailing @ $200 in at least 1 US outlets already
(and I did read of Costco & Sams doing similar deals).
http://www.pcrichard.com/catalog/product...e=10-60420201-2

Amazon USA currently have it @ $246.34 where the HD A3 and the HD A30 are their number 1 & 2 bestselling DVD players, still.
The HD A35 ($328) is number 8 and the Samsung BDP 1400 ($279) is number 9, the Sony S300 ($299) is number 14.

Originally posted by gallagher:
You guys forget that the average customer is a retard.
- That's exactly the kind of attitude that sees the supposedly 'sure fire winner' end up losing.

Originally posted by gallagher:
Why do you think companies are still selling 720i, 720p, and 1080i's?
- Because not everyone is a ridiculous spec-sheet jockey?

Because unless you are buying a really huge HD TV and sitting close to it you'll not get the benefit and actually have no need for a 1080p set?

Or maybe it's because until very very recently the best releatively affordable HD TV was a 50" 720p/1080i Plasma?

But what would any of those "retarded" customers know about any of that eh?

You seem to think they should buy an inferior HD TV just for the 1080-p logo on the case.
Yeah, I bet the salesmen really respect you and don't think you're retarded at all.

LMAO.
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1322.12.2007 10:35

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New releases on HD DVD gaining momentum
The title say new release are gaining momentum not HD-DVD movies sells over all.Also lets not forget BD didn't have any major title launch that week & still beat HD-DVD in sells last week.One week don't makeup for a whole year worth of work.Sorry to ruin your party.


Originally posted by hughjars:
I think people here know I have been saying this is what has been on the cards for months but I will refrain from the obvious 'told you so's'.

People might also be interested in knowing Warner are set to give a press-conference at HD DVD's CES main event......

.....hmmm, wonder what that's all about, huh?
Like always before you rant & rave read the whole article.

Quote:
These HD DVD success stories do mark a reversal from the overall trend of BD titles topping its rival. Generally, BD sales trump HD DVD sales by a 2-to-1 ratio.
Thats one week out of 52 weeks in a year.But the numbers for last week has been leaked already & Blu-Ray won last week so i guess HD-DVD going to fail to win one week out of the whole year.61BD:39HD


Warner Home Video Also Attending Blu-Ray Conference At CES

Quote:
As far as we know, Jim Wuthrich, senior vice president, Electronic Sell Through, Warner Bros. Digital Distribution, will be speaking on a panel titled, “Downloading and Streaming HD over the Air-Home Video’s Future” on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 3:00 pm. And Warner will likely participate in the presentations by HD DVD and Blu-ray.
http://www.thebitbag.com/index.php/2007/...ference-at-ces/


I wouldn't hold my breath that week during CES because the only thing you can hope for is Warner stay Format neutral but that still don't count out Dimension Films(The Weinstein Company)who has all but confirm that they will not be HD-DVD exclusive studio after CES.Lets not forget NEWLINE they have a issue with HD-DVD not having region coding so all signs point to them becoming Blu exclsive because they don't have any HD-DVD titles listed for 08.
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1422.12.2007 10:59

But from a consumers point of view it is bloody hard to get hold of any HDDVD's where I live (small midwestern town) as each large store (walmart,meijer,target,K-mart) has only a handful of the same disks but loads of blu-ray,so if that is what the average consumer sees then which format do you think they are going to buy....If sony lowers the BR and gets cheap chinese 3rd party vendours to make them the game is over for HDDVD....I have HDDVD but not blu-ray.....

1522.12.2007 11:26
vinny13
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Ya lol I don't know how HD-DVD sales could beat Blu-Ray sales seeing that theres like a 6:1 Blu-Ray to HD-DVD movie ratio at all of the stores surrounding my area. Sounds like a trend.

1622.12.2007 12:42
hughjars
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@nextgen

LMAO, a very vague "as far as we know" quote from some unnamed source is hardly in the same league as a published & public invitation.

The momentum is clearly with HD DVD - especially in Q4 of 2007 (which is the period everyone but everyone said they were looking to before making big decisions.

Tough luck old son, your usual spin can't deflect this truth.

@Vinny13

Yeah your 'local store' just proves everything, eh?

LMAO

Originally posted by indyjase:
But from a consumers point of view it is bloody hard to get hold of any HDDVD's where I live (small midwestern town) as each large store (walmart,meijer,target,K-mart) has only a handful of the same disks but loads of blu-ray
- So what? It's no big deal.
Especilly as it's all so very early in proceedings.

The early adopters are all far more likely to have joined the 21st century & be buying online or over the phone.

Originally posted by indyjase:
If sony lowers the BR and gets cheap chinese 3rd party vendours to make them the game is over for HDDVD....I have HDDVD but not blu-ray.....
- The difference is that there is no similar or equivalent Chinese Blu-ray coming.

Blu-ray specifically chose not to licence to China (and it takes years, Toshiba licenced in 2005 and Microsoft signed deals last Jan at CES 2007).

Part of the whole point of Blu-ray was to see a return to the kinds of profit margins that used to exist when DVD began.

You'll find everybody already uses plenty of Chinese components but that is not the same thing as licenced 'reference designs'.
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1722.12.2007 13:33

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You'll find everybody already uses plenty of Chinese components but that is not the same thing as licenced 'reference designs'.
Two words: Lead paint.

There, I said it. I'm not proud of it, but I put it out there anyway.
Thanks for the A.D.D. HD-DVD.


P.S. It was a joke, and not a good one. I know. <:)

1822.12.2007 15:01

'The Bourne Ultimatum' isnt even out on blu-ray so i hope they sold more on that format................................

Who wants to buy a hd-dvd player that isnt even 1080p I already have a upconverting player that I bought for a cheaper price than what people were paying for that clearance model hd-dvd player, and mine has all the functions of it except my movies cost me .10 cents but the person who got suckered into a upconverting dvd player is buying movies for $30+....

No offense really but people buying those players arnt very smart, there laughing cause they thought they got a deal but the joke was really on them.

1922.12.2007 17:44
evz
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Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
once the majority of consumers (not the tech-savvy/early-adopters) buys in I believe the disc sales numbers will favor HD DVD because of the lower hardware prices.
if BD hardware prices match HD then that will be even more interesting =D
That's interesting. Because as far as I'm concerned the cheapest 1080p HD DVD player is the A30 at $399 msrp. And Blu-ray now has two players some Sony and Samsung at $299 each.

P.S: I don't own an HD player.
TRUE
me, you and most readers know that, but people will be at retail stores and see the HD A3 for $199 with the 1080i on it. It'll have to be one hell of a salesperson to convince them to get 1080p for the extra $100

p.s. I'd love to see a dual-format player hit $299, wouldn't that be great

edit: typos and p.s.
The dualy would be great!

But I have to disagree about the salesperson. If a comsumer is willing to go all the way and get a 1080p HDTV, I'm pretty sure they will want, and be able to afford the 1080p model.

My $0.02

2022.12.2007 18:03
vinny13
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Originally posted by hughjars:

@Vinny13

Yeah your 'local store' just proves everything, eh?

LMAO
Sounds like some is a little slow since I'm not the only one saying that. It's not my local stores, it's everybody's locals that seem to show the same trend. Can't wait to see that BIG decision... I'll be sure to send flowers to the funeral for your wasted time.

R.I.P. Wishful Thoughts, Hopes and Dreams of HD-DVD :P

2122.12.2007 19:34
hughjars
Inactive

Quote:
Warner's HD DVD release of "Order of the Phoenix" is, somewhat surprisingly, beating out its Blu-ray counterpart which was released on the same day by a 55-to-45 ratio.
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12250.cfm

- LMAO

HD DVD funeral?

I think not.

Personally I can't wait to hear Warner's imminent announcement.

2222.12.2007 20:52
vinny13
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Ok, on behalf of the entire community of Afterdawn, I would like to congradulate HD-DVD for finally selling more copies of a crap movie then Blu-Ray. Sadly, they were outsold the entire year.

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2323.12.2007 12:18
hughjars
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No one cares about that early lead.

Warner and others said they were looking to see what happened in Q4 of 2007 before making their big decisions.

The coming regularly priced $100 HD DVD (not limited stock season special) will see HD DVD player sales rocket (especially as those same Chinese manufacturers drop their regular DVD players to make room for them.

The HD DVD attachment rate will see those owners buying HD DVD movies in numbers & Blu-ray left permanently trailing and left as the PS3 proprietary format.

It's already started (as the recent numbers show - especially on the 'like-for-like' Harry Potter release)

2423.12.2007 13:24
evz
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Originally posted by hughjars:
No one cares about that early lead.

Warner and others said they were looking to see what happened in Q4 of 2007 before making their big decisions.

The coming regularly priced $100 HD DVD (not limited stock season special) will see HD DVD player sales rocket (especially as those same Chinese manufacturers drop their regular DVD players to make room for them.

The HD DVD attachment rate will see those owners buying HD DVD movies in numbers & Blu-ray left permanently trailing and left as the PS3 proprietary format.

It's already started (as the recent numbers show - especially on the 'like-for-like' Harry Potter release)
How can you say nobody cares. The studios care very much what format makes them more money. Actually you are somewhat right. Sony and Toshiba don't care about the comsumer. If they did they would have stopped this 3rd grade "mine is better!" "no, mine is better!" and would have made a single format back during development.

2523.12.2007 13:39
hughjars
Inactive

Originally posted by evz:
How can you say nobody cares.
- Let's try sticking to what I actualy said.

I said no-one cares "about that early - Blu-ray - lead"

I also said that "Warner and others said they were looking to see what happened in Q4 of 2007 before making their big decisions."

Which is 100% fact.

Originally posted by evz:
The studios care very much what format makes them more money.
- Indeed and with Blu-ray being a total (and expensive) pain in the a$$ to work with - according to Viacom/Paramount - those extra Blu-ray sales are offset by additional costs which HD DVD does not incur too (something the Blu-ray fanclub always manange to ignore).

Originally posted by evz:
and would have made a single format back during development.
- Since when has a monopoly market, rigged from the start by the manufacterers/producers, ever been in the consumer's best interests?
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2623.12.2007 14:21
evz
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Quote:
Originally posted by evz:
How can you say nobody cares.
- Let's try sticking to what I actualy said.

I said no-one cares "about that early - Blu-ray - lead"

I also said that "Warner and others said they were looking to see what happened in Q4 of 2007 before making their big decisions."

Which is 100% fact.

True I have heard that said a dozen times. About Warner. I have not heard any other studios say that.

Originally posted by evz:
and would have made a single format back during development.
- Since when has a monopoly market, rigged from the start by the manufacterers/producers, ever been in the consumer's best interests?
Do you hear what you're saying! What competitor did DVD have? ...'cricket' 'cricket'

That's what was so great about it!

To reflect on past comments you've made about studios not feeling safe with their future based on a gaming console.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/10/31/holl...ay-ps3-support/

P.S. I don't own either format.

Infact I plan to purchase both when the prices come down.
Why? Because I enjoy MOVIES. I want to be able to go to a buddy's house and talk about a great movie I saw. Not what kind of disc I saw it on.

2728.12.2007 18:30

Another pointless stats article they have come up with. I feel that come to us when u find a winner in all this numbers.

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