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60 percent of GTA IV sales were for Xbox 360?

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 08 May 2008 18:36 User comments (68)

60 percent of GTA IV sales were for Xbox 360? After Take-Two announced that the blockbuster hit GTA IV had hit $500 million USD in sales for its first week, Microsoft was quick to release data alleging that over 60 percent of those sales were for the Xbox 360 console and not the rival PlayStation 3.
The software maker claimed that 3.75 million copies of the 6 million sold worldwide in the first week were for the Xbox 360 console and even added that the games helped push 360 sales 54 percent week-on-week, a gigantic surge.

Microsoft also noted that in the UK retailers were reporting "a strong attach rate between the game and console sales", claiming that at least 40 percent of new console sales were selling with a copy of the hit game.

"Grand Theft Auto IV has done phenomenally well this week with Xbox 360 version outselling PS3 in our stores,"
said Gerry Berkley, trading manager at Woolworths.

"Xbox 360 console sales have seen a big uplift off the back of Grand Theft Auto IV launching. It's clear our customers see Xbox 360 as a great console for this incredible game."


According to data by Chart-Track in the UK, GTA IV led the software sales charts selling about 927,000 copies. The next closest game, Wii's hit Wii Fit sold 103,000 copies for the week.



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18.5.2008 19:02

I think that the reason it MIGHT have sold more on the 360 is because there is more 360s in the market....If the ps3 only has 6 million systems out there and sold 3 million copies of GTA 4 for it well thats a out standing ratio...30 million 360 consoles and 3.75 million copies of GTA 4 sold for them ....thats a good ratio...(my numbers are NOT accurate..its for example ONLY)

For me....the PS3 version has better graphics.....But I do have both copies..360 and PS3

28.5.2008 19:22

I bought the ps3 version just because there isn't crap on the system and i'm tired of feeling like I bought a blu-ray player, the game started locking up on me,my friend also had this problem, so I took it back and bought the 360 version.

38.5.2008 20:26

I have both systems and GTA 4 on both systems. 360 version looks better, but then my 360 stopped working. In the meantime been playing on the PS3 and haven't had any freezing problems yet, but I got the 40GB version. heard the freezing it was more common on the 60GB version.

PS3 has a GTA4 bundle in the UK? If so wouldn't that push more systems.

48.5.2008 20:45

Most people bought it for the 360 because of the xbox live multiplayer on gta 4

58.5.2008 22:21

more people bought it on 360 because there's simply more 360s right now.
like Muccione said, the percentage for ps3 is probably much better. but who knows, I dont have any facts.

btw, I have one of the first 60GB ps3s and GTA's never locked up or anything, not even any online problems. guess I'm lucky

68.5.2008 22:55

i disagree. i played both and the 360 version loads faster despite the PS3's so called Install of the game on the Hard drive.

and the graphics look better on the 360.

the ps3 doesn't look like crap. but in comparison it doesn't look like it whips the 360 in anyway.

78.5.2008 23:23

well according to nexgenwars.com

PS3 - 9,395,624 consoles sold
xbox 3 - 18,383,523 consoles sold

...
so yea... u do the math. =]
btw i have ps3 60gb. sometime would freeze on boot.. but eh. first release console.. u gotta expect some bugs.. thats why its constantly being updated =] for the better.. im glad divx came out for it =D

89.5.2008 0:31

I have a 60gb version and I havent had a single freez up at all. I think its more like the 40gb and the 80gb since people bought alot of those.

99.5.2008 2:42
nobrainer
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Well its the same as sony fud but this does reflect what the retailers have been stating.

its easy to see why though:

360 + GTA4 = £159.99
PS3+ GTA4 = £300+

lets just wait for the NPD data ppl.

Originally posted by DoomLight:
i disagree. i played both and the 360 version loads faster despite the PS3's so called Install of the game on the Hard drive.

and the graphics look better on the 360.

the ps3 doesn't look like crap. but in comparison it doesn't look like it whips the 360 in anyway.
that's because the ps3 is only 640 resolution where as the 360 is 720p HD the ps3 has a pitiful amount of ram that was always going to be an issue with demanding games.

PlayStation 3 version only: Resolution, online issues hamper GTA IV experience
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Maybe there IS a difference after all: Reports confirm online issues and less-than-HD 640p resolution for the PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV.

When it isn't locking up your system with inexcusable game-ending glitches, Grand Theft Auto IV, for all intents and purposes, has delivered as advertised.

That is, if you're playing the Xbox 360 version.

Confirmed reports today have laid two additional issues at the feet of the PS3 version of GTA IV. These issues include inaccessible online play and a less-than-true-HD 640p resolution.


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109.5.2008 5:27

Originally posted by bomb12guy:
Most people bought it for the 360 because of the xbox live multiplayer on gta 4
i thought Xbox live ppl had to pay for thier online gameplay?? lol. also u can play it online on PS3 for free so wots the diff between Xbox live and playing online with a PS3?

P.S. just out of the random, are there any forums on afterdawn.com with GTA 4 guides? coz i finished story mode (33 hrs :D) and there r a few things i still need to do in SP, like the text message cars u get from Brucies friend steve, i steal em and it pops up with a game msg saying "u have stole the car steve told u about" or sumthin, and i have no idea wot to do with it so its parked outside my safehouse lol

119.5.2008 5:35

actually i might just start a new thread under Consoles for GTA 4 help xD lmao

129.5.2008 6:56

Quote:
360 + GTA4 = £159.99
PS3+ GTA4 = £300+
now add the wireless apadater and xbox live cost....


you get my point .. so dont try the money issue..

139.5.2008 7:10
nobrainer
Inactive

Quote:
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360 + GTA4 = £159.99
PS3+ GTA4 = £300+

now add the wireless apadater and xbox live cost....
you get my point .. so dont try the money issue..
omg, does the 360 not have a rj45 connection and xbox live in the UK costs £34.98 a year so that's £0.67 pence a week. hang on let me add this up, wait, one sec i think that works out at £194.97 yes that's more expensive than the ps3 bundle, hu what's gone wrong there i must be really bad at maths!

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GTA4 causes mass manslaughter
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GTA4 INSPIRED more than 2.3 million people to get online with their Xbox 360s over launch weekend, according to stats compiled by Volish Guru Larry Hyrb.

The online console service saw 1m concurrent players at its peak, thanks to GTA's seamless built-in multiplayer experience that allows gamers to set up their matches via the game's mobile phone.

The game has now overtaken perennial favourites such as Halo 3 and Gears of War to become by far the most popular game currently being played online by Xbox users. Indeed, the average gamer spent more than four hours playing the game online in just the first week - not including time spent in the epic single player campaign.

Microsoft staff also revealed that Xbox 360 console sales rose by 54 per cent in the launch week for GTA, as gamers finally persuaded themselves of the need to ditch the old PS2. Some preliminary information (corroborated by Wired here) suggests that GTA was selling in roughly 60/40 quantities favouring the Microsoft console.

Have a look at the numbers for yourself HERE!


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149.5.2008 7:42

Originally posted by Craftybox:
Quote:
360 + GTA4 = £159.99
PS3+ GTA4 = £300+
now add the wireless apadater and xbox live cost....


you get my point .. so dont try the money issue..
erm...PS3 owners dont have to pay to use online gameplay lol, well at least in AUS we dont

159.5.2008 7:44
kinetic10
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where can you get a 360 and GTA4 for £159.00, cheapest i have found is £179.00.

169.5.2008 7:47

unless ur speaking of the price to buy it xD than ya Xbox is generally cheaper, i prefer sony coz i been with them ever since PS1 and well it took Microsoft a while to fix the issue with the the frying Xboxes. that would have made a good mothers day gift and would have made making breakie easier xD

179.5.2008 7:50

Originally posted by kinetic10:
where can you get a 360 and GTA4 for £159.00, cheapest i have found is £179.00.
im not english but pounds xtra doesnt seem like much just go with wot u can find, but if ur patient than look for cheaper.

:( i could have got GTA 4 for AU$70 but instead i paid $90 lol there was sooo much competition for sales here that EBgames, JB Hi Fi, kmart, target etc... all had to drop prices to beat compo xD

189.5.2008 7:54

20 pounds xtra***

199.5.2008 8:39

PS3 did sell a lot, man!! And i cant say that i have a comment for the charge for xbox live besides that i wish it were free i admit, and it is way better than ps3's online.
This has been bugging me for a bit. Why would some people buy the game for both consoles. That just seems like a waste of money unless you have more than One gamer who will be playing GTAIV. Then you have some that have both consoles but said they bought it for the ps3. Did you guys forget the xbox360 has the rights to the downloadable exclusive content that will eventually be released and the ps3 doesnot???

Xbox360 version wins.....

209.5.2008 10:42

Quote:
Quote:
360 + GTA4 = £159.99
PS3+ GTA4 = £300+
now add the wireless apadater and xbox live cost....


you get my point .. so dont try the money issue..
well is more like, + batteries for the controller, HDD, external HD-DVD, Live.
Arcade version lacks in many things compare to PS3.
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219.5.2008 15:19
nobrainer
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
Quote:
Quote:
360 + GTA4 = £159.99
PS3+ GTA4 = £300+
now add the wireless apadater and xbox live cost....

you get my point .. so dont try the money issue..
well is more like, + batteries for the controller, HDD, external HD-DVD, Live.
Arcade version lacks in many things compare to PS3.
It sure does, anti consumer DRM BD+ is unique to blu-ray.

229.5.2008 17:24

Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
360 + GTA4 = £159.99
PS3+ GTA4 = £300+
now add the wireless apadater and xbox live cost....


you get my point .. so dont try the money issue..
well is more like, + batteries for the controller, HDD, external HD-DVD, Live.
Arcade version lacks in many things compare to PS3.
To truly compare prices you really do have to add all that stuff to the 360. It's like standard features and equipment on a car. PS3 has much more standard features. But who cares really?

239.5.2008 17:47

Originally posted by lxhotboy:
PS3 did sell a lot, man!! And i cant say that i have a comment for the charge for xbox live besides that i wish it were free i admit, and it is way better than ps3's online.
This has been bugging me for a bit. Why would some people buy the game for both consoles. That just seems like a waste of money unless you have more than One gamer who will be playing GTAIV. Then you have some that have both consoles but said they bought it for the ps3. Did you guys forget the xbox360 has the rights to the downloadable exclusive content that will eventually be released and the ps3 doesnot???

Xbox360 version wins.....
AHHH McFly....that exclusive content that M$ paid 50Mill for is just to get it first....PS3 will get the same thing in the following weeks..so its not really exclusive content...just early content...

249.5.2008 18:35
saltynuts
Inactive

Originally posted by muccione:
Originally posted by lxhotboy:
PS3 did sell a lot, man!! And i cant say that i have a comment for the charge for xbox live besides that i wish it were free i admit, and it is way better than ps3's online.
This has been bugging me for a bit. Why would some people buy the game for both consoles. That just seems like a waste of money unless you have more than One gamer who will be playing GTAIV. Then you have some that have both consoles but said they bought it for the ps3. Did you guys forget the xbox360 has the rights to the downloadable exclusive content that will eventually be released and the ps3 doesnot???

Xbox360 version wins.....
AHHH McFly....that exclusive content that M$ paid 50Mill for is just to get it first....PS3 will get the same thing in the following weeks..so its not really exclusive content...just early content...






a few weeks dont kid yourself you think they paid 50million dollars for a few weeks come on give us a break.if they get it it will take longer than a few weeks and we all know that.well maybe not all

2510.5.2008 0:07

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AHHH McFly....that exclusive content that M$ paid 50Mill for is just to get it first....PS3 will get the same thing in the following weeks..so its not really exclusive content...just early content...
Now i admit i am no genius, though i do consider myself pretty intelligent book sense and common sense. Microsoft didnot pay 50 million dollars for exclusive content that will be released later for the Sony's PS3. That is not book sense. It is from what i read posted here on AD site and from my own COMMMON SENSE. What would it benefit Microsoft to pay that much money to get the downloadable content before Sony? Dude please think before you speak. Like i said before Xbox360 owners will get extras possible more missions downloadable via internet were those of you who unfortunately have the PS3 version will not get to experience. The graphics are identical,(i know there is some diff but anyone who says either version is better per graphics should be shot, You couldnot tell the diff between the versions unless you had them side by side so lay that crap to R.I.P.),and they are so close in all ways except the xbox has the rights to the exclusive downloabable content. So again i say Xbox version wins.
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2610.5.2008 1:57

it was a $50 million loan, not just a check for $50 million. Take 2 has to pay it back and it was for some downloadable content for the 360 that will hit sometime this fall. It doesn't say anywhere that the ps3 won't get its own unique downloadable content later on, just that the 360 will get it first. As if "100+ hours of gameplay" wasn't enough for all of you. Not that it matters to me very much, i never understood the appeal of sand box games such as this.

2710.5.2008 6:14
saltynuts
Inactive

Originally posted by wetsparks:
it was a $50 million loan, not just a check for $50 million. Take 2 has to pay it back and it was for some downloadable content for the 360 that will hit sometime this fall. It doesn't say anywhere that the ps3 won't get its own unique downloadable content later on, just that the 360 will get it first. As if "100+ hours of gameplay" wasn't enough for all of you. Not that it matters to me very much, i never understood the appeal of sand box games such as this.
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2810.5.2008 16:57

haha..this article seems like an elaborate ploy to cause a ruckus and a console war, with flamers and fanboys...

since nobody has said it, i think i'll take part in the merriment.

RROD.

2911.5.2008 17:26

I've read many blogs on the net stating that the PS3 version of GTA IV is running at 640p (1152 x 640).

We here in Australia must be more fortunate as our PS3 version of GTA IV is running at full 1080p. The cover shows the option for 720p/1080p.

3011.5.2008 22:01

Originally posted by lxhotboy:
PS3 did sell a lot, man!! And i cant say that i have a comment for the charge for xbox live besides that i wish it were free i admit, and it is way better than ps3's online.
This has been bugging me for a bit. Why would some people buy the game for both consoles. That just seems like a waste of money unless you have more than One gamer who will be playing GTAIV. Then you have some that have both consoles but said they bought it for the ps3. Did you guys forget the xbox360 has the rights to the downloadable exclusive content that will eventually be released and the ps3 doesnot???

Xbox360 version wins.....
... Only as an instant gratification-type purchase (and assuming your 360 still works), after you are tired with the game and realize you own a piece of hardware that is struggling to keep up with the times.. even after all the add-ons that would bring it to a "compareable" level with the PS3. The game has very few differences as many reviewers can tell you. People bitch about the HDD install for the PS3 because the load times dont seem to be affected. Fact of the matter is, that the HDD install significantly reduces the "pop up" effect with your surrounding environment. This does make the game look much smoother, but probably doesn't effect someone's decision to buy a next-gen console when the price is so different. I just feel bad for people who base a next-gen console purchase on a video game based on price and no research.

You get what you pay for.... and then some.

.. and the downloadable content that nobody has even spoken specifics on may be exclusive for the time being.. but how long do you think 50 million buys exclusivity to such HUGE intelectual property in a multi-BILLION dollar industry?

3112.5.2008 2:05

Microsoft paid 50 million for exclusive downloadable content. Maybe some people are getting confused and think it means Inclusive.
Exclusive = for that system alone. Not going to be on any other system.

And without getting shot, the xbox version has better graphics. I can say this because with a 52" Samsung 1080p HDTV you can notice the difference in the quality for anything. eg. playing a standard DVD in my Harmon/Kardon DVD48 player looks better then on the PS3. COD4 looks better on the PS3 than on the Xbox360.

Why would someone buy the game for both 360 and PS3? Well I guess I liked the safety deposit boxes.

3212.5.2008 12:43

Sony Australia Claims GTA IV Victory. Says Microsoft got it wrong.

As Ephraim explains, "You might have seen the local Microsoft press release that came out last week. Well, I want to tell you that that is completely wrong, because what they failed to communicate or add was the 5000 GTA PS3 bundles that were sold in that week. When you add that in, the PS3 SKU outsold the 360 SKU definitely. We can't comment on GTA numbers – just that one bundle and that PS3 outsold 360 at EB – and their figures aren't factored into GfK statistics."

It was a point that was reiterated by internal sales data from Australia's largest game retailer, EB. He continued, "The other thing I can tell you – and I feel comfortable telling you because I've asked them – EB, in the standalone data…across EB in Australia, the PS3 SKU outsold the Xbox 360 SKU too."

Essentially, we don't have either party's sales figures for the week, but Ephraim believes that the difference of 5000 was enough to put Sony ahead of MS's release of GTA IV – without even being factored into the GfK figures.


http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-144381.aspx



Looks like Microsoft is getting really Pissed that Sony has pass them in total console sold in Eur, that has there PR department going non stop with the BS Fud here lately.

3312.5.2008 20:50

Originally posted by chubbyInc:
Microsoft paid 50 million for exclusive downloadable content. Maybe some people are getting confused and think it means Inclusive.
Exclusive = for that system alone. Not going to be on any other system.



Remember when all GTA games were "exclusive" to the PS2? How long did that last for San Andreas... not very. Rockstar will release downloadable content for PS3 as well. In the meantime, ps3 users can still play it online for free until MGS4 comes out in June (speaking of exclusive.

3412.5.2008 22:19

Originall posted by Hunt720

Quote:
... Only as an instant gratification-type purchase (and assuming your 360 still works), after you are tired with the game and realize you own a piece of hardware that is struggling to keep up with the times.. even after all the add-ons that would bring it to a "compareable" level with the PS3.
Well currently,at this time, the date is May 12, 2008 and at this time Xbox 360 does not struggle to keep up with the PS3 and there are no add-ons needed.

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Rockstar will release downloadable content for PS3 as well.
Please post a few links to support this. If you have seen or read it online you should have no problem posting a few links to support this. Otherwise I will believe what i have read at various sites and post on numerous websites. You can search and find the "exclusive" talk for GTA IV on Xbox 360. So why no supported truth that PS3 will get the downloable content later???.....


As well as the metal gear solid that is soon to be released and the exclusive talk, yeah it will sell consoles I am sure and man i can honestly say i loved the last edition on ps2, i cant lie about that man. But PS3 is due to have some exclusives released and they need a lot more. Xbox 360 has had plenty exclusives that are highly rated in reviews. I can tell you this though, I wish Microsoft had Hot Shots golf. I have always been a huge fan and Tiger Woods golf is just not as fun to me. PS3 has many exclusives that are due to be released this year and they are some heavy weights at that but we will have to wait and see what happens with the tides. Honestly i think this year will be a great battle between the next-gen consoles. PS3 will pull ahead of all competion once the two kings of games are released on the PS3 but that is so far away. The two games i think will have the biggest impact for PS3 are SOCUM 3, and God of War 3. Socums online poularity in the past has been unmatched and the last God of War was acually a contender for game of the year. That is hard to believe since it is not on one of the next-gen system so go ahead and flex some muscle PS2. LOL. This should be proof to all that say "oh grapics on ps3 are better, No graphics on xbox 360 are better" that graphics dont make a game great they are just icing on the cake. I do love cake though, so go figure.
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3513.5.2008 0:57

@ lxhotboy

It sounds as though you know your consoles.. but maybe google was difficult. My support? Heres just a couple links:

http://www.gamecollision.com/news/grand-...ntent-confirmed

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=68768

If the 360 isn't struggling... then explain the hardware failure rate as a positive thing. When my 360 fried.. and then my refurb.... I honestly would have had far less euphemismically pleasing verbs to use for the console than "struggling". Now, I understand that the failure rate has been cut almost in half by the falcon chip, but I honestly can rattle off many features the 360 struggles with that the PS3 does out of box. I'm not even talking about the unneccecary 100$ wireless adapter either. I'm talking more about the USB port the adapter plugs into that has restrictions put on it that force you to buy the crappy proprietary HDD's to soak up all the "dowloadable content" that you will have to eventually delete your other files (demos, music, video, etc.) to be able to utilize. I'm talking about a fan that is louder than my old windows 95 machine I donated to goodwill, thus making it the LOUDEST dvd/HD-dvd player available. I'm talking about the HDMI port that wasnt even originally designed to be on the machine, and yet anyone who has compared HDMI to Component cables knows the difference.. and also the fact that it only supports HDMI 1.2 as opposed to the latest 1.3 .... oh, here's the source for that if you haven't been able to find the time to google it:

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360][/url]

Quote:
Although the Premium package does include an HDMI 1.2 output, it does not come with HDMI 1.2 cables
You can compound these issues with the fact that the system uses DVD-9 format discs and developers are running out of compression schemes to make titles fit on these discs (lost odessey anyone???). People will tell you how proud they are to stand up and insert disc 2, but the fact is that Sony thought ahead and won't have to worry about compression till much later... if at all.

Most multi-platform titles store on average 2-3 gigs more on the blu-ray version. I'm tired of having games developed for the weaker system so that they look close to the same on both. It may do wonders fot the Gametrailers jaded comparisons, but it only hinders those who could be experiencing much more on a better console. If you don't agree, I don't blame you. I really can't. The 360 is a BLAST to play when it works. I logged many Halo 3 hours in before I made my switch. I know the library of games is larger, but that doesn't make it better. I still can't believe developers want to port over Vampire Rain! WTF! I'm sure we can both agree that game was a joke at best.

I think games should be developed individually for consoles. If GTA had been specially developed for the PS3, it would have blown minds the way Uncharted did on a technical level. Even if you could strip Uncharted down to fit on a DVD-9, the 360 would still lack the processors needed to make that game what it is on the PS3. Naughty Dog developers even said the game would be "much different" on the 360.

... and for everyone else who doesn't have access to a search engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqDVLa2bnLQ
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3613.5.2008 10:35

Quote:
@ lxhotboy

It sounds as though you know your consoles.. but maybe google was difficult. My support? Heres just a couple links:

http://www.gamecollision.com/news/grand-...ntent-confirmed

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=68768

If the 360 isn't struggling... then explain the hardware failure rate as a positive thing. When my 360 fried.. and then my refurb.... I honestly would have had far less euphemismically pleasing verbs to use for the console than "struggling". Now, I understand that the failure rate has been cut almost in half by the falcon chip, but I honestly can rattle off many features the 360 struggles with that the PS3 does out of box. I'm not even talking about the unneccecary 100$ wireless adapter either. I'm talking more about the USB port the adapter plugs into that has restrictions put on it that force you to buy the crappy proprietary HDD's to soak up all the "dowloadable content" that you will have to eventually delete your other files (demos, music, video, etc.) to be able to utilize. I'm talking about a fan that is louder than my old windows 95 machine I donated to goodwill, thus making it the LOUDEST dvd/HD-dvd player available. I'm talking about the HDMI port that wasnt even originally designed to be on the machine, and yet anyone who has compared HDMI to Component cables knows the difference.. and also the fact that it only supports HDMI 1.2 as opposed to the latest 1.3 .... oh, here's the source for that if you haven't been able to find the time to google it:

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360][/url]

Quote:
Although the Premium package does include an HDMI 1.2 output, it does not come with HDMI 1.2 cables
You can compound these issues with the fact that the system uses DVD-9 format discs and developers are running out of compression schemes to make titles fit on these discs (lost odessey anyone???). People will tell you how proud they are to stand up and insert disc 2, but the fact is that Sony thought ahead and won't have to worry about compression till much later... if at all.

Most multi-platform titles store on average 2-3 gigs more on the blu-ray version. I'm tired of having games developed for the weaker system so that they look close to the same on both. It may do wonders fot the Gametrailers jaded comparisons, but it only hinders those who could be experiencing much more on a better console. If you don't agree, I don't blame you. I really can't. The 360 is a BLAST to play when it works. I logged many Halo 3 hours in before I made my switch. I know the library of games is larger, but that doesn't make it better. I still can't believe developers want to port over Vampire Rain! WTF! I'm sure we can both agree that game was a joke at best.

I think games should be developed individually for consoles. If GTA had been specially developed for the PS3, it would have blown minds the way Uncharted did on a technical level. Even if you could strip Uncharted down to fit on a DVD-9, the 360 would still lack the processors needed to make that game what it is on the PS3. Naughty Dog developers even said the game would be "much different" on the 360.

... and for everyone else who doesn't have access to a search engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqDVLa2bnLQ


Good work..

3713.5.2008 18:21
saltynuts
Inactive

Originally posted by Hunt720:
@ lxhotboy

It sounds as though you know your consoles.. but maybe google was difficult. My support? Heres just a couple links:

http://www.gamecollision.com/news/grand-...ntent-confirmed

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=68768

If the 360 isn't struggling... then explain the hardware failure rate as a positive thing. When my 360 fried.. and then my refurb.... I honestly would have had far less euphemismically pleasing verbs to use for the console than "struggling". Now, I understand that the failure rate has been cut almost in half by the falcon chip, but I honestly can rattle off many features the 360 struggles with that the PS3 does out of box. I'm not even talking about the unneccecary 100$ wireless adapter either. I'm talking more about the USB port the adapter plugs into that has restrictions put on it that force you to buy the crappy proprietary HDD's to soak up all the "dowloadable content" that you will have to eventually delete your other files (demos, music, video, etc.) to be able to utilize. I'm talking about a fan that is louder than my old windows 95 machine I donated to goodwill, thus making it the LOUDEST dvd/HD-dvd player available. I'm talking about the HDMI port that wasnt even originally designed to be on the machine, and yet anyone who has compared HDMI to Component cables knows the difference.. and also the fact that it only supports HDMI 1.2 as opposed to the latest 1.3 .... oh, here's the source for that if you haven't been able to find the time to google it:

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360][/url]

Quote:
Although the Premium package does include an HDMI 1.2 output, it does not come with HDMI 1.2 cables
You can compound these issues with the fact that the system uses DVD-9 format discs and developers are running out of compression schemes to make titles fit on these discs (lost odessey anyone???). People will tell you how proud they are to stand up and insert disc 2, but the fact is that Sony thought ahead and won't have to worry about compression till much later... if at all.

Most multi-platform titles store on average 2-3 gigs more on the blu-ray version. I'm tired of having games developed for the weaker system so that they look close to the same on both. It may do wonders fot the Gametrailers jaded comparisons, but it only hinders those who could be experiencing much more on a better console. If you don't agree, I don't blame you. I really can't. The 360 is a BLAST to play when it works. I logged many Halo 3 hours in before I made my switch. I know the library of games is larger, but that doesn't make it better. I still can't believe developers want to port over Vampire Rain! WTF! I'm sure we can both agree that game was a joke at best.

I think games should be developed individually for consoles. If GTA had been specially developed for the PS3, it would have blown minds the way Uncharted did on a technical level. Even if you could strip Uncharted down to fit on a DVD-9, the 360 would still lack the processors needed to make that game what it is on the PS3. Naughty Dog developers even said the game would be "much different" on the 360.

... and for everyone else who doesn't have access to a search engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqDVLa2bnLQ








even with all the bad press and all the sony lovers bashing at evrey corner the 360 still sells.why do you think that is?

3813.5.2008 20:15

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even with all the bad press and all the sony lovers bashing at evrey corner the 360 still sells.why do you think that is?


cheaper console. Both price and build. Consumer ignorance helps quite a bit as well.

3913.5.2008 21:30
saltynuts
Inactive

Originally posted by Hunt720:
Quote:

even with all the bad press and all the sony lovers bashing at evrey corner the 360 still sells.why do you think that is?
cheaper console. Both price and build. Consumer ignorance helps quite a bit as well.






ignorance well thats a good one.how about preference,what if those people like and enjoy the 360?

4013.5.2008 22:14

Quote:
Originally posted by Hunt720:
Quote:

even with all the bad press and all the sony lovers bashing at evrey corner the 360 still sells.why do you think that is?


cheaper console. Both price and build. Consumer ignorance helps quite a bit as well.





ignorance well thats a good one.how about preference,what if those people like and enjoy the 360?


Then they clearly only wish to have a console that is riddled with problems if in fact they are not ignorant of the situation. .... or maybe their frathouse really likes Halo 3.

4114.5.2008 6:25
saltynuts
Inactive

Originally posted by Hunt720:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hunt720:
Quote:

even with all the bad press and all the sony lovers bashing at evrey corner the 360 still sells.why do you think that is?
cheaper console. Both price and build. Consumer ignorance helps quite a bit as well.



ignorance well thats a good one.how about preference,what if those people like and enjoy the 360?
Then they clearly only wish to have a console that is riddled with problems if in fact they are not ignorant of the situation. .... or maybe their frathouse really likes Halo 3.














so let me get this right

PS3=Smart
360=Dumb&ingnorant


Wow so like what you like or be looked at like a dummie.you live in the real world.

4214.5.2008 7:02

Originally posted by saltynuts:
so let me get this right

PS3=Smart
360=Dumb&ingnorant


Wow so like what you like or be looked at like a dummie.you live in the real world.
No, but you are looking like a dummie that presses enter...










too many times after each quote...
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4314.5.2008 8:10

Quote:
Originally posted by Hunt720:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hunt720:
Quote:

even with all the bad press and all the sony lovers bashing at evrey corner the 360 still sells.why do you think that is?
cheaper console. Both price and build. Consumer ignorance helps quite a bit as well.



ignorance well thats a good one.how about preference,what if those people like and enjoy the 360?
Then they clearly only wish to have a console that is riddled with problems if in fact they are not ignorant of the situation. .... or maybe their frathouse really likes Halo 3.














so let me get this right

PS3=Smart
360=Dumb&ingnorant


Wow so like what you like or be looked at like a dummie.you live in the real world.
Maybe you need an english lesson. INGNORANT= can be translated as uninformed or unaware. I never said DUMB, YOU DID. If anyone is makeing the 360 look "dumb" you are.

.. so no you didn't get it "right".

4514.5.2008 10:21

Originally posted by Hardwyre:
Rockstar confirms episodic GTA IV Content 360-only



'nuff said.
That article is almost a year old. Is it still accurate?

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4615.5.2008 4:07

Quote:
That article is almost a year old. Is it still accurate?

http://videogamecentral.com/gamersvoice/...odes-this-fall/
http://kotaku.com/373700/sony-shrugs-off...-content-in-pr-
http://www.n4g.com/News-129170.aspx
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=770465

(I know the last link is to a forum post but the guys info comes
straight out of a Playstation Magazine)



I have seen commercials for GTA IV before but only untill a few minutes ago did i see one that ended with the following:

"Download exclusive episodes on Xbox LIVE starting Fall 2008"

Now the definition of the word EXCLUSIVEin my book doesnot mean that it will be released initially on Xbox 360 and then later on PS3.

Anyone else seen this commercial yet? I thought i was tripping at first but then i thought, you have a DVR, so i rewinded and paused the commercial to confirm. Now all you who say that PS3 will get DLC too are correct. I apoligize. But the DLC for the PS3 will be avatars and things that will be utilized in PS3's HOME when it is released, PS3 will not see the DLC that will have the two additional episodes. Sony themselves even confirms this. (Check the links) That particular DLC is for XBOX360 owners only. So i guess both will get DLC after all but PS3 will be getting the DLC with the new episodes. Common sense should have told people that Microsoft didnot pay all that money only for a temporary exclusive. It wouldnot make sense if you think about their gains and loses if that were true. Now i can say again. Xbox360 version is the version to buy. I only feel sorry for those who bought the PS3 version, who happen to have both consoles. They have been misled by people posting who only had half the story and dont know what they are talking about. I guess their only aurgument now will be the issue with the RROD since they have been proven wrong.

DLC for PS3 = related to PS3's upcoming "HOME"
DLC for Xbox 360 = two new episodes

I agree with the sony guy,in the end will Microsoft make up for all that money with that exclusice DLC? $50 million is a lot of money.
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4715.5.2008 4:50
nobrainer
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Originally posted by lxhotboy:
Originally posted by Ryu77:
That article is almost a year old. Is it still accurate?

I have seen commercials for GTA IV before but only untill a few minutes ago did i see one that ended with the following:

"Download exclusive episodes on Xbox LIVE starting Fall 2008"

Now the definition of the word EXCLUSIVEin my book doesnot mean that it will be released initially on Xbox 360 and then later on PS3.

DLC for PS3 = related to PS3's upcoming "HOME"
DLC for Xbox 360 = two new episodes (exclusive for $50 million)

But in the end will Microsoft make up for all that money with that exclusice DLC. $50 million is a lot of money.
@ lxhotboy

Ryu77 full well knows that the content is exclusive and still valid, check his previous posts. don't rise to the behaviour lxhotboy.

so is there any news on just how much this sony themed home space will actually cost seems it is just virtual eye candy and not a playable game?

home = throw your money away purchasing useless graphics that isn't even a playable game, and to top it all sony are selling ALL your details on to advertisers! i think that the top scammers at sony have watched Futurama, Bender's Big Score recently and are using their spongers to ...........
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4815.5.2008 5:38

Both versions of GTA IV are excellent and recieve basically the same scores. Im not going to resort to name calling and other stupidity b/c it aint that serious but just wait till someone really immature replyies to this post and then we will have something to laugh about.
I dont know about the Home thing. It could turn out to be a huge success if sony puts the effort into "HOME" and tries to fix its limited online features, it could put significant pressure on Xbox live. Especially when i am not too thrilled to pay for Xbox live. It is great but being a PS2 supporter for a long time, i believe it should be free. If sony can provide access for free then why cant Microsoft. They are just greedy and i guess i am just stupid. J.D Rockafeller was the richest man to ever live. He actually had less money but with inflation taken into consideration he was actually richer than Bill Gates is today. Micrsoft already makes enough money, i am using windows vista right now. LOL they need to declare windows software a monopoly.

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4915.5.2008 8:25

Originally posted by nobrainer:
@ lxhotboy

Ryu77 full well knows that the content is exclusive and still valid, check his previous posts. don't rise to the behaviour lxhotboy.
Actually nobrainer, my question was a genuine one. I wasn't sure if it was still accurate which is why I asked. Your perspective is one that is quite altered due to your obvious anti Sony stance.

Please don't assume things. I am not into the immature games that so often get played here at AfterDawn. My focus is always to find a resolution to disputes that regularly get out of control. I always post with accurate information and I always approach things in a diplomatic and mature manner.

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5015.5.2008 13:18

Originally posted by Ryu77:
Originally posted by nobrainer:
@ lxhotboy

Ryu77 full well knows that the content is exclusive and still valid, check his previous posts. don't rise to the behaviour lxhotboy.
Actually nobrainer, my question was a genuine one. I wasn't sure if it was still accurate which is why I asked. Your perspective is one that is quite altered due to your obvious anti Sony stance.

Please don't assume things. I am not into the immature games that so often get played here at AfterDawn. My focus is always to find a resolution to disputes that regularly get out of control. I always post with accurate information and I always approach things in a diplomatic and mature manner.
Ryu don't even bother wasting your time and effort we all know what this "soap box" poster is about. Funny how you talk about peoples behavior nobrainer but yet cannot fathom your own misgivings NUMEROUS times prior.

5115.5.2008 14:35
saltynuts
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wow it never fails,its automatic

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5216.5.2008 8:20

Care to elaborate on what that refers too?

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5316.5.2008 15:11
nobrainer
Inactive

NPD data would suggest that the 360 sold more copies than the 360 of gta, almost a 2 to 1 margin by the 360, maybe because of the exclusive missions to be added at a later date or maybe because the 360 version is running at 720p HD resolution, while the PS3 has been released at 640 resolution and dogged by glitches, who knows but the data is here for april.

Nintendo Wii outsells 360, PS3, PS2, PSP combined in April

Originally posted by link:
Published: May 16, 2008 - 10:45AM CT

The NPD console sales numbers have been released for April, stuffed with fascinating content. How did the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions of Grand Theft Auto stack up against each other? Did Mario Kart Wii sell as many copies as expected? Will Nintendo continue its winning streak?

Before we break things down by company, it's important to point out that the games industry is still going strong. "The industry continues to set a blistering sales pace, and now shows a year-to-date increase of 31 percent over last year's record-setting revenues," NPD Group's Anita Frazier said.
Nintendo

Surprising absolutely no one, Nintendo took the number one and two slots in hardware sales. The Wii sold 714,200 units while the Nintendo DS moved 414,800 units (third place sales go to the PSP with 192,700 units). This month the Wii outsold the Playstation 2, PlayStation 3, PSP, and Xbox 360... combined.

While Grand Theft Auto IV took up the first (360) and third (PS3) slots in software sales, Mario Kart Wii came in number two with 1.12 million units sold in April. Frazier calls it "a classic example of counter-programming." Wii Play came in number four with 360,000 units sold, Super Smash Bros. Brawl came in at number five with 326,000 units, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness and Time came in at numbers seven and eight, with both games selling 202,000 units. Guitar Hero III took the number nine slot with 152,000 units. All told, Nintendo games took up six of the top ten games for April.

Microsoft may choose to say that it's not competing with Nintendo, and that's probably a smart move. No one is even coming close to matching these sales numbers.
Microsoft

The Xbox 360 did outsell the PS3 with 188,000 units sold, but it only led by 900 units against the PlayStation 3. The 360 also had the best-selling game with Grand Theft Auto IV selling (1.85 million units) and the tenth best selling game with Call of Duty 4 (141,000 units).

Sony has already begun to take some of the shine out of Microsoft's Grand Theft Auto IV win. "There's a larger installed base right now on Xbox 360 than on PS3. So it's not surprising that there's going to be more selling on Xbox 360 than PS3. Having said that, we're really excited about the ratio," PlayStation senior vice president of marketing Peter Dille told N'Gai Croal. "If I had an installed base advantage of 3-1, I wouldn't be crowing too much about a 60-40 sales advantage."

Microsoft added a note about its online play in its reactions to the sales numbers. "Gamers eager to experience Grand Theft Auto IV online helped boost Xbox LIVE global membership totals to over 12 million this month... the Xbox LIVE service has doubled in membership in only one year's time." Microsoft also brought up the exclusive downloadable content coming to the 360 version of Grand Theft Auto IV.
Sony

As we've already noted, the PlayStation 3 came within 900 units of the Xbox 360 sales for April; the system moved 187,100 units in total. The PlayStation Portable moved 192,700 units to come in third place behind the monster that is Nintendo, and the PlayStation 2 saw quite the sales slip as it only moved 124,400 units in April. (In March, the classic system moved 216,000 units.)

Sony had two entries in the top ten games list. The PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV came in at number three with 1 million units sold and Gran Turismo 5: Prologue took the sixth slot with 224,000 units sold.

Hardware in general didn't see the bump that many expected. Anita Frazier has a few thoughts on why. "It was surprising not to see bigger hardware sales for the Xbox 360 and the PS3 given the release of GTA IV. However, since the game was only in the market for 5 days during this reporting period, that sales lift could very well be evident in May data."

It's hard to imagine a time when Microsoft or Sony are able to make any headway against Nintendo's impenetrable hold on this generation, but the race for number three behind the Nintendo Wii and DS continues.




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5416.5.2008 16:19

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maybe because the 360 version is running at 720p HD resolution, while the PS3 has been released at 640 resolution
I thought the Xbox360 ran at 720p/1080i/1080p. At least that is what is on the back of the game case. Once it gets out and more people realize that the Xbox version has the exclusive two episodes I expect the sales number to rise even more for xbox360.

5516.5.2008 16:50
nobrainer
Inactive

Originally posted by lxhotboy:
Quote:
maybe because the 360 version is running at 720p HD resolution, while the PS3 has been released at 640 resolution
I thought the Xbox360 ran at 720p/1080i/1080p. At least that is what is on the back of the game case. Once it gets out and more people realize that the Xbox version has the exclusive two episodes I expect the sales number to rise even more for xbox360.
the native resolution is 720p HD on the 360 and PS3 is 640.

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5616.5.2008 21:28
saltynuts
Inactive

Originally posted by Oner:
Care to elaborate on what that refers too?[/quot
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5716.5.2008 21:46
saltynuts
Inactive

Originally posted by saltynuts:
Originally posted by Oner:
Care to elaborate on what that refers too?[/quot=

are you talking to me?

5917.5.2008 8:18
saltynuts
Inactive

Originally posted by Oner:
Yes for clarification.

i see you feel a little frisky and really want to poke that little chest of yours out by pushing the ban button if i say the wrong thing to you but no thanks i wont play your childish game.

and by the way as a mod i think you suck because out of all the mods i seen here you are the only one that start crap.

6017.5.2008 8:44

Originally posted by saltynuts:
wow it never fails,its automatic
Ok, well I am not a mod & I would like to know what you meant by that? Saltynuts, do you seriously expect us to see a clear meaning in that statement?

Are we talking about an Automatic BMW that starts every morning? :-P

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6117.5.2008 11:38
saltynuts
Inactive

Originally posted by Ryu77:
Originally posted by saltynuts:
wow it never fails,its automatic
Ok, well I am not a mod & I would like to know what you meant by that? Saltynuts, do you seriously expect us to see a clear meaning in that statement?

Are we talking about an Automatic BMW that starts every morning? :-P
ok if it was meant for you then you would know what i was trying to say,you are a trouble maker in your own little way you always attack any post that is not pro sony,Nobrainer makes some pretty good post here i know i been watching and you and that mod always attack like a pack of wild dogs.just because you dont like what someone is saying dont mean its bad,that is all i want to say and if i get banned then so be it but i know i did not break any rules.and in the future if you know a comment was not directed at you,dont worry about it because i really was not talking to you.
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6217.5.2008 17:29

Originally posted by saltynuts:
ok if it was meant for you then you would know what i was trying to say,you are a trouble maker in your own little way you always attack any post that is not pro sony,Nobrainer makes some pretty good post here i know i been watching and you and that mod always attack like a pack of wild dogs.just because you dont like what someone is saying dont mean its bad,that is all i want to say and if i get banned then so be it but i know i did not break any rules.and in the future if you know a comment was not directed at you,dont worry about it because i really was not talking to you.
Listen up Mr. Saltynuts... It's an open forum, meaning that anybody can contribute. How was I or Oner meant to know who you directed your comment to? Nobrainer does nothing but attack Sony & Blu-ray. I do far more here at AfterDawn than attack People's posts. I actually contribute quite a lot of help in various forums. My posts are always delivered in a fair and mature way and I always back up my point with solid proof.

I will never understand why people join a thread to rubbish and say negative things about products that they don't like. My intention on this thread was not to rubbish the XBox 360, I never do that. I asked a question and nobrainer incorrectly assumed that I was looking to start problems, when in fact my question was genuine.
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6317.5.2008 17:52

Good Bye. Looks like it is time I go back to being the ban first ask no questions later type of mod again....no sweat off my back, it just makes my work a lot easier here.

Oh and as for a rule you feel you haven't broken, how's this one http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/380660

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6419.5.2008 10:03

Hmmm not the best thread to learn about the 360 then?

I just bought one anyway, and GTAIV... having lots of fun..

I've been a sony buyer for yrs.. trying this thing out and no complaints as yet!

6519.5.2008 22:47

Originally posted by Hardwyre:
Rockstar confirms episodic GTA IV Content 360-only



'nuff said.
Stats say that 90% GTAIV player's on the 360 don't even care, or won't care for DLC until 2009 :P

By the way, PS3 - 13 million sales worldwide... 360 - 19 million sales. Now tell me, 40% for PS3 and 60% for the 360 with 6 million more people owning 360's even though it came out a whole year earlier. Let's go back to Grade 3 kids; the probability of people buying GTAIV on the 360 is higher, is it not? But by how much... you do the math ;)

6620.5.2008 2:17

LOL... I feel ya on the numbers but the game hasnot been out long yet and most people dont realize the DLC will be exclusive to Xbox360 with the new episodes. Once the game has been out for a while and word gets around more people will start buying the xbox360 version just bc it has the exclusive content.

6722.5.2008 20:23
BANNEDX10
Inactive

i think both versions are pretty good but the extra content is welcome from the xbox.


jd

6823.5.2008 2:31

Originally posted by BANNEDX10:
i think both versions are pretty good but the extra content is welcome from the xbox.
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