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Pirated TV show release groups move to new standard, MP4

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 03 Mar 2012 16:21 User comments (61)

Pirated TV show release groups move to new standard, MP4 Most of the heavy hitters in the TV show piracy scene have moved away from the XviD/AVI standard of the past decade and started releasing files in MP4/x264.
The release groups, SAP, BAJSKORV, C4TV, D2V, DiVERGE, FTP, KYR, LMAO, LOL, MOMENTUM, SYS, TLA and YesTV came together in February and wrote up "The SD x264 TV Releasing Standards 2012" documents, which pretty much details all the technical standards that will be used in the future for TV show releases on torrent and warez sites.

Reads the document (via Freak): "x264 has become the most advanced video codec over the past few years. Compared to Xvid, it is able to provide higher quality and compression at greater SD resolutions. This standard aims to bring quality control back to SD releases. There are many standalone players/streamers such as TviX, Popcorn Hour, WDTV HD Media Player, Boxee, Xtreamer, PS3, XBOX 360, iPad, & HDTVs that can playback H264 and AAC encapsulated in MP4."

Now if only some other scene groups would get together and remove the archaic rule for 1CD/2CD releases. It's 2012, people.

You can read the full, detailed document here: The SD x264 TV Releasing Standards 2012

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61 user comments

13.3.2012 17:15

At least make it mkv...

23.3.2012 18:21

Originally posted by ROMaster2:
At least make it mkv...
Container doesn't really matter, stop beating a dead horse.

33.3.2012 19:40

Quote:
Now if only some other scene groups would get together and remove the archaic rule for 1CD/2CD releases. It's 2012, people.

Umm uhh hmm... Is this proof that you are a pirate? I mean I'm no saint by any means but personally I'd probably have not written that sentence.
Just kidding those CD1 CD2 releases really get to me they were great when they had a purpose but now its just OLD.

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43.3.2012 23:15

Originally posted by ROMaster2:
At least make it mkv...
I prefer to encode and work with .mkv, but many devices don't work with it and/or can't play it natively. MP4 is simply more universal at the moment.
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 03 Mar 2012 @ 23:17

53.3.2012 23:54

"- Container must be MP4"

YES! F___ MKV!!! :-)

64.3.2012 0:11

I prefer MKV as well, but anything is a step up from AVI. The most important part is that the container support H.264, and MP4 does. No Vorbis audio, but that was the case with AVI as well.

On a side note, isn't it amusing how the "pirates" are more concerned with compatible, consumer-friendly standards than the whole movie industry? Compared to the convoluted specs of a DVD or Bluray video disc, these are beautifully simple. I guess when you're not obsessed with preemptively branding all of your customers as criminals and slapping DRM on everything you sell, things go smoother. Who knew?

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 04 Mar 2012 @ 0:14

74.3.2012 3:21

i hate x264 and mkv.my dvd player and tv can play xvid and divx straight off usb they dont support x264 or mkv.


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84.3.2012 8:50

Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
i hate x264 and mkv.my dvd player and tv can play xvid and divx straight off usb they dont support x264 or mkv.
Your TV and DVD player is old. Technology hates you too. I guess what's left is buy new equipment, or your own DVDs/BRDs, and do your own conversion.

94.3.2012 8:52

My WD HD TV Live hates AAC audio & simply refuses to play it.

Almost anything else works perfectly.

104.3.2012 9:19

Yes, newer DVD/Blu-ray players have a home menu where you select a different video format like MP4, MKV and streaming services.

Older players will only play DVD and CD formats VOB, .WAV and the like. Even older Blu-Ray players limit your options.

Blu-Ray disks are now getting to be reasonably priced which makes pirating videos not worth the time, risk of paying fines and wasting bandwith.

Jeff

114.3.2012 11:26

I think the quality of a SD should be held constant and reduce the size of the file when more efficient technology comes into use.

reason 1 - consistent quality in a video library if the quality of SD is raised because they can fit more into the same file size. All video from now forward will be of different quality than old files which can be annoying.

reason 2 - Reduction file size is only going to save time and money. Time format and create files, faster racing, shorter download time, use less HDD space.

I can see the argument for constant size and raised quality but my person opinion is constant quality.

124.3.2012 11:50

That's what they do using H.264/mp4. The size is not the same,it will always be different. They use CRF encoding, which means a cartoon show, or a talk show will have a different compression than an action show, resulting in different size, but "same quality" encoding.

134.3.2012 12:40

Originally posted by 50race:
I think the quality of a SD should be held constant and reduce the size of the file when more efficient technology comes into use.

reason 1 - consistent quality in a video library if the quality of SD is raised because they can fit more into the same file size. All video from now forward will be of different quality than old files which can be annoying.

reason 2 - Reduction file size is only going to save time and money. Time format and create files, faster racing, shorter download time, use less HDD space.

I can see the argument for constant size and raised quality but my person opinion is constant quality.


80% compression will give a reasonable video however two things need to be kept in mind,the quality of the source to begin with & the resulting size will be big outputted file if you want a quality SD encode.I understand exactly what your wanting in the final output the only way to get it is with HD,You'd have to download the same action movie of xXx,or some other correctly encoded hd file,for xXx it's size is 1gb the quality has to be seen to be believed as does the sound,there's no way i could convert the SD version of it & get the same bit-rate & resolution at an output of 1gb,the amount of loss of quality would make it unwatchable,to be honest the 1gb version of the action triple x is better than the actual dvd quality wise

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144.3.2012 16:57

except there is a problem.

most computers cannot fully support the x264 format because there graphics card cannot display hd and x264 is a hd format and more and more cheaper computers that are being sold at walmart and other places for low income families so this format thing won't last long and worse the reason people where using xvid is the video couldn't be opened without vlc and when people went to snoop across networks they labeled the xvid files as corrupted and ignored them when searching for pirates so have fun getting caught easier now

154.3.2012 17:50

@megahunder...
You're not serious, right?
My 12 y.o laptop plays just fine an SD x264.
X264 is not exclusively found in HD format. HD formats are mostly x/H264.
"xvid...couldn't be opened without VLC"...Seriously?

164.3.2012 18:57

Originally posted by cyprusrom:
@megahunder...
You're not serious, right?
My 12 y.o laptop plays just fine an SD x264.
X264 is not exclusively found in HD format. HD formats are mostly x/H264.
"xvid...couldn't be opened without VLC"...Seriously?
i open all formats with windows media player lmao

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174.3.2012 20:54

Originally posted by cyprusrom:
@megahunder...
You're not serious, right?
My 12 y.o laptop plays just fine an SD x264.
X264 is not exclusively found in HD format. HD formats are mostly x/H264.
"xvid...couldn't be opened without VLC"...Seriously?

Yes, megadunderhead made no sense at all.

184.3.2012 22:32
ConcernedCitizen
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I grabbed one of these "mp4" files when this first happened a week ago, Eastbound and Down it was, and my ps3 wouldn't even acknowledge it.

They better not make it so I can't watch files over my tv.

194.3.2012 23:02

I wonder if this agreement also applies to music videos posted on the P2P networks???

Also,
I can handle Matroska...I use mkv2vob to convert it to my liking.

204.3.2012 23:43

Originally posted by ConcernedCitizen:
I grabbed one of these "mp4" files when this first happened a week ago, Eastbound and Down it was, and my ps3 wouldn't even acknowledge it.

They better not make it so I can't watch files over my tv.
Or you'll do what exactly?

215.3.2012 3:15

Originally posted by cyprusrom:
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
i hate x264 and mkv.my dvd player and tv can play xvid and divx straight off usb they dont support x264 or mkv.
Your TV and DVD player is old. Technology hates you too. I guess what's left is buy new equipment, or your own DVDs/BRDs, and do your own conversion.
ive only had my tv a month but hasnt really mucked around with all the video formats on it xvid & mp4 play on it.my dvd player is kinda old had it since 2008.think the problem is we are not all rich and we cant afford to go out and buy the latest technology.

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225.3.2012 3:56

Sounds like Raspberry Pi time! :-P


235.3.2012 4:55

Hum, perhaps its me, but in the far east they use RM or RMVB, both do Hi-Def and at reasonable sizes, I have loads of them and the quantity is top notch, and my media player plays it, so theirs another format to consider.

245.3.2012 15:01

Wow, many questions.
SD vids only? No change to HD?

I have all MKV tools. Do the same things exist for MP4? Looks like I have some more downloading to do.



Oh, Im sorry... Did the middle of my sentence interrupt the beginning of yours?

256.3.2012 8:27

Originally posted by cyprusrom:
@megahunder...
You're not serious, right?
My 12 y.o laptop plays just fine an SD x264.
X264 is not exclusively found in HD format. HD formats are mostly x/H264.
"xvid...couldn't be opened without VLC"...Seriously?
ahh but what graphics card as i said the format is graphics card dependent and a lot of cheap garbage intel graphics accelerators refuse to play the format

266.3.2012 13:39

RM and RMDV? I thought those formats were against the law due to "REAL" being total assholes with their software.


Oh, Im sorry... Did the middle of my sentence interrupt the beginning of yours?

276.3.2012 15:40

Originally posted by megadunderhead:
Originally posted by cyprusrom:
@megahunder...
You're not serious, right?
My 12 y.o laptop plays just fine an SD x264.
X264 is not exclusively found in HD format. HD formats are mostly x/H264.
"xvid...couldn't be opened without VLC"...Seriously?
ahh but what graphics card as i said the format is graphics card dependent and a lot of cheap garbage intel graphics accelerators refuse to play the format

It's quite possible to play H.264 video without hardware acceleration. It's not a "graphics-card-dependent" format at all; some graphics cards just happen to provide acceleration for decoding it so that the CPU doesn't have to work as hard. SD video should not prove taxing to decode in software for most CPUs.

286.3.2012 16:55

I dont have any problem with moving to a newer codec and container. My problem starts when I attempt to edit the video to keep a small clip of an interview from a talkshow or a scene from a movie. I have tried program after program to edit mp4 files and continually am disappointed. Audio is constantly out of sync (HUGELY out of sync in some cases) and edits are never where theyre supposed to be. Its quite frustrating. Any suggestions?

296.3.2012 17:39

I think Windows Movie Maker will edit an MP4 (they REFUSE to do MKV)
And while WMM is not the latest and greatest piece of software, it is usually adequate for simple things like clips and such.


Oh, Im sorry... Did the middle of my sentence interrupt the beginning of yours?

306.3.2012 19:47

I have Windows Movie Maker v5.1 and it won't load mp4's.

319.3.2012 19:32

edited by ddp the "rules." WHY the hell are pirates abiding by rules for edited by ddp? I mean even the anime teams release their projects in a few different formats...

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329.3.2012 19:54

Originally posted by huntr:
I dont have any problem with moving to a newer codec and container. My problem starts when I attempt to edit the video to keep a small clip of an interview from a talkshow or a scene from a movie. I have tried program after program to edit mp4 files and continually am disappointed. Audio is constantly out of sync (HUGELY out of sync in some cases) and edits are never where theyre supposed to be. Its quite frustrating. Any suggestions?

I am a huge Freemake video converter fan, use it for everything (flv to avi, mkv to avi or avi to mp4(xvid codec)haven't had a audio sync issue. I haven't tried to trim and convert it. If you want to keep mp4 files, use avidemux to copy and cut the file down. It works well this way. Try converting it after the cut with Freemake, it should be good.


339.3.2012 21:44

I have watched some of these new mp4 rips. I am not too comfortable with them. IMHO reduced file size is the only saving grace. Picture quality certainly is poorer so is the sound quality. Perhaps they need to different ripping software.

Sometimes I would slow down the display rate by up to 20 % to follow the conversation properly or to be able to read the sub titles in their entirety. This I could do WITHOUT degrading the sound quality. With the new AAC rips the sound gets highly distorted even at 10% speed variation. The audio starts warbling. Actually these sound as if my woofer cones have torn !

349.3.2012 22:12

I would have to say that it depends on who the ripper is. Scorp, and shannig have had good mkv rips, about 400mb for good movies. I have seen UP, Forbidden Kingdom, and a few others in a compressed mkv format. Of course I have to convert to avi because my Iomega ScreenPlay doesn't like mkv,or h264. I usually play the original file back in Potplayer and WMP to make sure it's good. MP4's are just another container, so both can be small and good. Using Megui to convert a rip is supposed to do a good job, but there are so many settings some people are probably messing it up. I guess axxo are going to be the way to go for some who don't want to chance a bad rip!



359.3.2012 22:31

@ huntr try using avidemux for video editting.

ive seen some rips as low as 400mbs and the quality was shocking.barely watchable saying that ive seen some decent rips at 700 mbs.
as for pirates playing by rules thats not gonna happen.


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3610.3.2012 0:37

Originally posted by cyprusrom:
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
i hate x264 and mkv.my dvd player and tv can play xvid and divx straight off usb they dont support x264 or mkv.
Your TV and DVD player is old. Technology hates you too. I guess what's left is buy new equipment, or your own DVDs/BRDs, and do your own conversion.
Or buy a copy of ConvertxtoDVD version 4 to convert what your DVD player won't play into regular DVD video discs. That what I do.

What I still hate is those files that want you to buy a a codec before they will play. One For The Money is like that however Exstremely Loud & Incredibly Close didn't have that problem thankfully. I'm not buying any silly codecs!!

3710.3.2012 0:53

Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
@ huntr try using avidemux for video editting.

ive seen some rips as low as 400mbs and the quality was shocking.barely watchable saying that ive seen some decent rips at 700 mbs.
as for pirates playing by rules thats not gonna happen.
Avidemux works wonderfully with avi files, but I have had no success at all with MKV or MP4 files. Cuts are never where they're supposed to be, and audio is always out of sync. I've converted files to mpeg4 in avi container, but that's hours of converting to get ten minutes (or less) of a clip. I've noticed that the sample files that come with the TV shows seem to have the same sync problems. So far, I'm stumped.

3810.3.2012 7:12

Originally posted by huntr:
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
@ huntr try using avidemux for video editting.

ive seen some rips as low as 400mbs and the quality was shocking.barely watchable saying that ive seen some decent rips at 700 mbs.
as for pirates playing by rules thats not gonna happen.
Avidemux works wonderfully with avi files, but I have had no success at all with MKV or MP4 files. Cuts are never where they're supposed to be, and audio is always out of sync. I've converted files to mpeg4 in avi container, but that's hours of converting to get ten minutes (or less) of a clip. I've noticed that the sample files that come with the TV shows seem to have the same sync problems. So far, I'm stumped.
maybe i didn't post correctly, but i mentioned converting to avi then editing. i haven't used it much, and forgot whether or not i tried to convert to avi while editing!
just read in another forum about a video editor which could handle mkvs (maybe mp4s) without issue, and freeware!
link
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3910.3.2012 11:12

you should never have to put any of these movies into a "video Editor"
video editors when they render will ALWAYS take forever, no matter what the file size.

always, ALWAYS use converters. and disable any video previews also that slows it down.


what i do, take a short clip of the movie and use that in a bunch of converters, and see what one is best for you.

4010.3.2012 22:21

Originally posted by 1nsan3:
you should never have to put any of these movies into a "video Editor"
video editors when they render will ALWAYS take forever, no matter what the file size.

always, ALWAYS use converters. and disable any video previews also that slows it down.


what i do, take a short clip of the movie and use that in a bunch of converters, and see what one is best for you.


this won't do you much good if your file is cut and out of sync, for the final product most likely will still be out of sync.


4119.3.2012 23:38

Why is the audio out of sync in every single god damned one of LOL's MP4 releases? Can't they do anything right? Just switch back to AVI if you cant

4220.3.2012 0:19

I guess I'll have to look at that one. Momentum's work good. Lot of LOL's stuff where I get my tv episodes.



4319.4.2012 19:26
solwiggin
Unverified new user

Originally posted by nonoitall:
I prefer MKV as well, but anything is a step up from AVI. The most important part is that the container support H.264, and MP4 does. No Vorbis audio, but that was the case with AVI as well.

On a side note, isn't it amusing how the "pirates" are more concerned with compatible, consumer-friendly standards than the whole movie industry? Compared to the convoluted specs of a DVD or Bluray video disc, these are beautifully simple. I guess when you're not obsessed with preemptively branding all of your customers as criminals and slapping DRM on everything you sell, things go smoother. Who knew?
The goals of the two groups are totally different. Pirates are releasing things for everybody to get. Companies are releasing things for paying customers to get. This seems to explain a lot of the difference in standards to me.

4419.4.2012 19:47

Originally posted by solwiggin:


The goals of the two groups are totally different. Pirates are releasing things for everybody to get. Companies are releasing things for paying customers to get. This seems to explain a lot of the difference in standards to me.


Companies are making it overly-stupidly complicated for anyone trying to get anything...

4520.4.2012 1:30

Originally posted by cyprusrom:
Originally posted by solwiggin:
The goals of the two groups are totally different. Pirates are releasing things for everybody to get. Companies are releasing things for paying customers to get. This seems to explain a lot of the difference in standards to me.

Companies are making it overly-stupidly complicated for anyone trying to get anything...

Precisely -- or anyone trying to create anything. I just look at DVD or Bluray specs and all I can think is, "Yep -- these guys are doing everything they can to prevent Joe Average from learning how to author his own media."

They come up with rigid, convoluted standards and cling to them for years before coming up with newer, rigid, convoluted standards. Then hardware manufacturers design machines that only play these rigid, obsolete, convoluted formats. I'll take an HTPC over a Bluray player any day. It's so much more future proof than equipment the entertainment industry conjures up, and nowadays it's cheaper too.

462.5.2012 2:41
jjackk
Unverified new user

What happened to MOMENTUM?

4720.5.2012 5:49

Originally posted by jjackk:
What happened to MOMENTUM?
Nothing. Pretty sure they were heavily, but not exclusively, committed to x264 before these changes. They released xvid, but had more success with x264, probably because the xvid sd competition was more stiff. Now that everyone is using x264 there is a lot more competition fighting for releases in a single arena.
With the changes groups are trying to gain some ground, but there are so many groups fighting for the same stuff, with many of the established but pretty quiet groups trying to gain a foot hold while they have a chance.

4820.5.2012 6:25

Originally posted by nonoitall:
Originally posted by cyprusrom:
Originally posted by solwiggin:
The goals of the two groups are totally different. Pirates are releasing things for everybody to get. Companies are releasing things for paying customers to get. This seems to explain a lot of the difference in standards to me.

Companies are making it overly-stupidly complicated for anyone trying to get anything...

Precisely -- or anyone trying to create anything. I just look at DVD or Bluray specs and all I can think is, "Yep -- these guys are doing everything they can to prevent Joe Average from learning how to author his own media."

They come up with rigid, convoluted standards and cling to them for years before coming up with newer, rigid, convoluted standards. Then hardware manufacturers design machines that only play these rigid, obsolete, convoluted formats. I'll take an HTPC over a Bluray player any day. It's so much more future proof than equipment the entertainment industry conjures up, and nowadays it's cheaper too.
MP4 is what most movie studios/websites use for digital downloads. It's when they bring in drm that things get nasty.

Remember that blu-ray is MPEG-4, using h.264 primarily. And most sites like itunes use h.264 and MP4 exclusively for streaming and download. Same for most modern content delivery sites. Youtube, for example. x264 is a free library h264 equivalent

Also, remember that they wouldn't have anything to release if there wasn't a blu-ray or dvd for them to rip. (except TV eps obviously) And scene rules don't take in to account anybody but scene members. It's a hobby or "scene" for them. They don't care if releases ever make it to torrent sites. They compete with each other in the same way old school hackers, demo makers, crackers, etc. have for over 20 years. It's more about the challenge, and the rep within their isolated community. It's kind of what seperates the scene from P2P. It's more about releasing and less about distributing content on a global scale.

Admittedly, the TV groups don't seem to think like that as much anymore. Most of the old groups are software groups, for obvious reasons.

4920.5.2012 17:15

My comment is mainly about the proprietary, inflexible standards that the industry has used for their "main" media for the past few decades. Right now it's Blu-ray, but before it, the video DVD and the audio CD were nearly as bad. I'm usually the go-to guy when any friend or family member has any sort of AV, electronics or computer issue, and it's amazing how many people get stuck when the CD they burnt their music to won't play in their CD player, or the DVD they burnt their video to won't play in their DVD player. They don't get that there's a very complicated (for the average Joe) conversion and authoring process that their material must undergo to comply with the very limited specification the studios came up with for consumer electronics.

Think about the variety of formats that a standard Blu-ray player supports verses the variety of formats an XBMC-equipped HTPC supports. Save for encrypted Blu-ray discs, there's no contest at all; the open platform is infinitely more capable, flexible, upgradeable, and at this point, even comparable in price as well. The standards proposed for the scene are simple and leverage that flexibility using already-existing and well-supported technologies.

Internet streaming does break free of some of the industry's long held traditions (though not DRM like you mentioned). At least it does utilize already-supported codecs. (Thankfully they seem to be letting go of the you-must-buy-our-newly-rolled-machine-to-support-our-newly-rolled-format mentality.) That's why I don't harp on streaming sites like I do on Blu-ray, DVD and CD though. (Actually, streaming sites are another source for scene releases, and thanks to the slightly saner standards used, I tend to have an easier time creating a user-friendly file from a common streaming site than from a DVD.)

Just a technical nitpick: x264 isn't an equivalent to H.264, per se; H.264 is a specification and x264 is an encoder that implements it.

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5020.5.2012 20:31

Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
Originally posted by cyprusrom:
@megahunder...
You're not serious, right?
My 12 y.o laptop plays just fine an SD x264.
X264 is not exclusively found in HD format. HD formats are mostly x/H264.
"xvid...couldn't be opened without VLC"...Seriously?
i open all formats with windows media player lmao
wtf you use wmp, i've got a mind to use the report button :p

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5120.5.2012 22:27

Originally posted by scorpNZ:
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
Originally posted by cyprusrom:
@megahunder...
You're not serious, right?
My 12 y.o laptop plays just fine an SD x264.
X264 is not exclusively found in HD format. HD formats are mostly x/H264.
"xvid...couldn't be opened without VLC"...Seriously?
i open all formats with windows media player lmao
wtf you use wmp, i've got a mind to use the report button :p
I guess not everyone knows how to work with a codec pack. I remember having that issue back in 2002 when all these video codecs were new to me. Everyone was using wmv for videos, and divx was starting to get popular. Finally someone set me up with klite codec pack or the like. Eventually h264 took off and could only get it to work with erightsoft super converter installed. Oh the times have changed!
Not an issue anymore, use shark007 codec pack and potplayer for stubborn videos.
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526.11.2012 23:25
CrazzyHempers
Unverified new user

Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
i hate x264 and mkv.my dvd player and tv can play xvid and divx straight off usb they dont support x264 or mkv.
u are the proof for the saying, People are getting dumber and dumber...

JUST because ur cheapo crappy dvd player cant play x264 OR mkv(u got a hamster running in there for power also?) because its so old or whatever, u say u hate it....

Whats that for a Reason?? i guess, nowadays, we can be happy, if people have a IQ over 20, so i really shouldnt be moaning... whatever...

AND i love both mp4 and mkv, whereas IMO the qualitydifference isnt that big, compared to avi vs. mkv....

536.11.2012 23:32
CrazzyHempers
Unverified new user

Originally posted by bratcher:
Originally posted by cyprusrom:
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
i hate x264 and mkv.my dvd player and tv can play xvid and divx straight off usb they dont support x264 or mkv.
Your TV and DVD player is old. Technology hates you too. I guess what's left is buy new equipment, or your own DVDs/BRDs, and do your own conversion.
Or buy a copy of ConvertxtoDVD version 4 to convert what your DVD player won't play into regular DVD video discs. That what I do.

What I still hate is those files that want you to buy a a codec before they will play. One For The Money is like that however Exstremely Loud & Incredibly Close didn't have that problem thankfully. I'm not buying any silly codecs!!
OMFG.... Really??

these Files are a hoax, nothing more... HAHAHAHAHA
well, i knew, that there MUST be ppl, who buy that crap, and i got nopity whatsoever for them... hehehe

546.11.2012 23:38
CrazzyHempers
Unverified new user

Originally posted by megadunderhead:
except there is a problem.

most computers cannot fully support the x264 format because there graphics card cannot display hd and x264 is a hd format and more and more cheaper computers that are being sold at walmart and other places for low income families so this format thing won't last long and worse the reason people where using xvid is the video couldn't be opened without vlc and when people went to snoop across networks they labeled the xvid files as corrupted and ignored them when searching for pirates so have fun getting caught easier now
LOLOLOL

u really think, that even a cheapo PC from walmart, with a, lets say HD3000 intel graphics( 300 bucks Compaq for example) cant play HD or x264? are u serious?? secondly, people who buy these PCs in the first place, are really stupid, or got NO other choice... but then i get a Geforce/Ati (200 series/4000 series) for a couple of bucks, to upgrade... and i KNOW that sometimes u cant upgrade cuz of nonexisting slots, i know...

some what i read here in the forums, makes me sick, how do some ppl not forget to breathe? :DDD

557.11.2012 22:35

Originally posted by CrazzyHempers:
Originally posted by megadunderhead:
except there is a problem.

most computers cannot fully support the x264 format because there graphics card cannot display hd and x264 is a hd format and more and more cheaper computers that are being sold at walmart and other places for low income families so this format thing won't last long and worse the reason people where using xvid is the video couldn't be opened without vlc and when people went to snoop across networks they labeled the xvid files as corrupted and ignored them when searching for pirates so have fun getting caught easier now
LOLOLOL

u really think, that even a cheapo PC from walmart, with a, lets say HD3000 intel graphics( 300 bucks Compaq for example) cant play HD or x264? are u serious?? secondly, people who buy these PCs in the first place, are really stupid, or got NO other choice... but then i get a Geforce/Ati (200 series/4000 series) for a couple of bucks, to upgrade... and i KNOW that sometimes u cant upgrade cuz of nonexisting slots, i know...

some what i read here in the forums, makes me sick, how do some ppl not forget to breathe? :DDD

Hey no reason to be so insulting! I had a laptop with a decent graphics card, but sadly it caused the motherboard to overheat and cut the life of my laptop. I have an integrated graphics card, and have no problem with x264. Even my old dell 4400 from 2002 could handle it. if you have either potplayer or vlc player you will be able to play that format. I used Shark007 codecs as well, and it allows WMP in my simple system to play as well. Download MediaInfo, and this will tell you the exact file type. I have found some fake files (a supposed WMV file) that was asking to install a codec. Be smart, install a trusted codec pack, and a decent all in one media player, to be sure.


568.11.2012 8:18

Originally posted by xyqo:
Quote:
Now if only some other scene groups would get together and remove the archaic rule for 1CD/2CD releases. It's 2012, people.

Umm uhh hmm... Is this proof that you are a pirate? I mean I'm no saint by any means but personally I'd probably have not written that sentence.
Just kidding those CD1 CD2 releases really get to me they were great when they had a purpose but now its just OLD.
I couldn't agree more...I always end up shaking my head when I see this. I'm guessing they're just plain lazy in not unticking the box that splits the output file. I haven't used that format since my early PS2 days...around 2001-2002, before the majority had dvd burners...

5712.11.2012 19:04

They should make a rule that says...
"If you DUB it, include the ORIGINAL audio file as well"...


Oh, Im sorry... Did the middle of my sentence interrupt the beginning of yours?

5812.11.2012 19:20

I am up for using a better and more compressed format but like a lot of people before me it gets a little annoying downloading a file and then finding that it's crap :(
I know uploaders are giving up free stuff and we should not be complaining but sometimes I get such bad files I just wonder.....did these guys even check their work before uploading it?!?!
That being said I have got a lot of good quality ones too.
I say if it works why change it, unless it will be the same quality at a compressed size then go ahead but if its going to hinder the quality why not just leave it.
I mean seriously the only difference is a couple of mbs. Does anyone even care?

5913.11.2012 13:26

Originally posted by sternrulez:
Originally posted by xyqo:
Quote:
Now if only some other scene groups would get together and remove the archaic rule for 1CD/2CD releases. It's 2012, people.

Umm uhh hmm... Is this proof that you are a pirate? I mean I'm no saint by any means but personally I'd probably have not written that sentence.
Just kidding those CD1 CD2 releases really get to me they were great when they had a purpose but now its just OLD.
I couldn't agree more...I always end up shaking my head when I see this. I'm guessing they're just plain lazy in not unticking the box that splits the output file. I haven't used that format since my early PS2 days...around 2001-2002, before the majority had dvd burners...
know its a bit off topic but you could get an adapter for ps1 to play vcd files.

custom built gaming pc from early 2010,ps2 with 15 games all original,ps3 500gbs with 5 games all original,yamaha amp and 5.1channel surround sound speakers,46inch sony lcd smart tv.

6013.11.2012 20:00

Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
Originally posted by sternrulez:
Originally posted by xyqo:
Quote:
Now if only some other scene groups would get together and remove the archaic rule for 1CD/2CD releases. It's 2012, people.

Umm uhh hmm... Is this proof that you are a pirate? I mean I'm no saint by any means but personally I'd probably have not written that sentence.
Just kidding those CD1 CD2 releases really get to me they were great when they had a purpose but now its just OLD.
I couldn't agree more...I always end up shaking my head when I see this. I'm guessing they're just plain lazy in not unticking the box that splits the output file. I haven't used that format since my early PS2 days...around 2001-2002, before the majority had dvd burners...
know its a bit off topic but you could get an adapter for ps1 to play vcd files.
With my old Dell 4400, I used it to make vcds. Now I agree the CD1 and CD2 files are annoying. Some dvd players still play VCDs, I believe.


6114.11.2012 13:15

Originally posted by startrek7:
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
Originally posted by sternrulez:
Originally posted by xyqo:
Quote:
Now if only some other scene groups would get together and remove the archaic rule for 1CD/2CD releases. It's 2012, people.

Umm uhh hmm... Is this proof that you are a pirate? I mean I'm no saint by any means but personally I'd probably have not written that sentence.
Just kidding those CD1 CD2 releases really get to me they were great when they had a purpose but now its just OLD.
I couldn't agree more...I always end up shaking my head when I see this. I'm guessing they're just plain lazy in not unticking the box that splits the output file. I haven't used that format since my early PS2 days...around 2001-2002, before the majority had dvd burners...
know its a bit off topic but you could get an adapter for ps1 to play vcd files.
With my old Dell 4400, I used it to make vcds. Now I agree the CD1 and CD2 files are annoying. Some dvd players still play VCDs, I believe.
Im sure that they do, but I was thinking about all the PS2 games that I have that are multiple CDs and I forget when to switch disks...I really should replace them someday...

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