Japanese relaunch for Xbox 360 in June?

Relaunch?? LOL Microsoft should just come out and say, "Nintendo and Sony will kick our ass and we know it."

"Microsoft should just come out and say, "Nintendo and Sony will kick our ass and we know it." " LOL!!!!!!!! Microsoft is not bad. Their games have great graphics. The only reason I am angry with the 360 is that no one has crack it yet. I can't wait for it to be mod.

Hell it needs a reluanch in the US and a good restocking of WORKING systems >> But in all I see the 360 failed to gain the number 1 slot....mabye will land in the number 2 but I dont think it will hold it....

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rihgt682 thats like saying anythign could happen,its ture tho but I dout it but it might...dout it still tho..

I don't understand why people are putting microsoft down so much. ARE YOU GUYS CRAZY? MICROSOFT IS AWESOME. The xbox is way better than the ps2 in terms of graphics, but the ps2 has alot of better games I guess. However Xbox is better the ps2, because once it's mod you can play games on the emulators and watch movies on the media player. HOW COOL IS THAT!!! I don't have a 360 yet, but I will get one once it's mod. MICROSOFT IS AWESOME!!!

vgaddict8 lets see half assed luanch of questionable quilty controll on the luanch consoles thats 1,2 PS2 dose have more games and better quailty and alike quailty ,MS should have waited and launched it with fully beta tested consoles with HD in them I thnkit could absorb the inital gamble more than sony can but sony is going to wipe the floor with them becuse they waited and put the next gen DVD drive in it and such sure theres a 50/50 chance sony will screw up I am not hateing on the Xbox or 360 I think the Xbox is built alot better than the PS2 replaceing aprts on it is a brezze compared to the horror of the PS2 revisions...the 360 had a shakey start I think no one but the clueless dont belive that as this next wave rolls out and more games get done for it mabye they wont have the miss handled codeing of games like Quake 4 witch only seems to run well on the "few" non beta systems. Gear of war looks to be the next HALO I want to see more of it *L* I am not bashing I might be harsh but I am trying to be realistic. the PS3 has a 50/50 chance to have a shoty Start...altho I feel it to be 70/30 a 30% chance to cock up if it dose and fails to fix it in the frist year or frist fewmonths even the 360 will claim the throne altho to tell the truth even if sony messes up the japanase devs will make the games for it everyone wants and it will win in the end 0-o who know Miymato might have smoked enough mushrooms to put the REV at number one 0-o

The 360 is the next dreamcast. Microsoft is doing the exact same thing sega did. Just because its the first "next-gen" system doesnt mean crap. Microsoft rushed the 360 into people's hands to get thier money first. But i think that once the ps3 comes out, a lot of people will be trading in their 360's.

The Japanese don't buy Xbox 360 because its American, end of story.

Wait a minute people. Calm down. The ps3 hasn't even show a movie of gameplay for a single game yet, maybe the ps3 will flop. Of course, every system won't produce the RE4 and GOD of war games at launch, but I think microsoft is doing very well. The ps3 better start showing solid gameplay footage material, because it's just hype right now for the ps3. And these nothing wrong with the dreamcast. I rank the dreamcast up there on the best consoles of all time. The only reason the ps2 is doing better than xbox is because squares-enix and capcom and konami are making more games for it. If all these parties make more games for the xbox, then the ps2 was have died along time ago. AND MICROSOFT HAS ONLINE PLAY for many and most of it's games. HOW COOL IS THAT!!! I KNOW SONY IS SCARE OF BILL GATES!!!

Bill Gates invented this sorry excuse of a program called Windows. Now, he's come up with garbage called Xbox. What's the use of a supreme console with no games! LOL Sony has microsux on a leash and they know it!!

Bill Gates invented this sorry excuse of a program called Windows. Now, he's come up with garbage called Xbox. What's the use of a supreme console with no games! LOL Sony has microsux on a leash and they know it!!

oops double post, my mistake

vgaddict8 true BUT with m$ craptacual launch its hard to see the PS3 not meeting at least 1/2 of the hype 0-o the basic Xbox live package with the 360 is eaqule or lesser to the PS2s altho the pay Xbox live is ok to good. I wish they wouldmake a worth while pay shceme if I ahd it I wouldnt use it alot but wouldlike to paly when I feel like it so paying 20 a month for time I dont use is a bit silly....80 for a year is a bit to high but at elast they offer it 7 soemthign a month is ahell of alot better than some MMPORPGs >< if they can track statistics then why not a 20 for a year with a limit of months with a limit 2000-4000 hours,8760 hours in a year so life would take up half easy nock another 1000-2000 hours for sleep that leaves time you use...hell roll over the hours or soemthing >< ggaaa altho when I thinkonline play I think online RPG and you know they are more so I am whineing for no reason >< PS3 should have a better online setup but I think MS has the best online setup least til the REV comes out and no telling what fungy goodness it will have 0_o hot_ice douple post? are you on dail up to? LOL Realy tho the only down side of the Xbox and 360 is 3rd and 2nd party support becuse they lack the must have japanase devs they fail in respects of being number one but they have enough to fight it out for number 2. I see the 360 as a ok system but I can live without it for awhile *L*

Where are all the real adult games for the PS2 or PS3? I want to see more games like the Guy Game, but with better content and gameplay! The consoles have to mature I find, and the Japanese have all the good stuff.

I`d like to get my hands on the xbox 360, but with the rev coming in soon i think i`ll wait maybe another year.

It will probably be a stronger re-launch if they lower the price as well.

hot_ice thier starting to ban the violant games god forbid a hentai game comes out in the states their will be no end to the Jack tompsons burning game consoles at the stake 0-o

ashj (Member) 4 April 2006 19:14 - "The Japanese don't buy Xbox 360 because its American, end of story." No, the Japanese don't buy the Xbox because they don't like defective hardware and crap games. A relaunch = failure x 2.

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There's no way the PS3 will cost more than $499. The Japanese didn't care much about Halo 1 and 2 from what I understand, so why would they be more inclined to take a liking to Halo 3? The PS3 and Revolution will crush the 360 in Japan. The relaunch won't do anything to change that.

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There's no way the PS3 will cost more than $499

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Not true. http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=8801

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The relaunch won't do anything to change that

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I never said the xbox360 will sell if they relaunch.

I don't favor the ps3 or the xbox. I only care about getting the both the ps3 and xbox360 mod so I can go buy a modchip for both and play games.

rihgt682: Did you you notice this from the last paragraph of that article? "However, thus far, no indication of a North American price has been made, or indeed, any official confirmation that this statement is correct." The figure quoted there is just speculation about the cost for Europe, where prices for consoles and games are always higher. Sony isn't dumb enough to price the PS3 out of people's reach in Japan and the US, even if it means they lose money initially on the hardware.

If I know I'm going to have problems with something before I buy it, I won't buy it simple.

They should consider different words instead of Relaunch. Perhaps,for example, "We're desperate, please buy our products", or "Maybe if it comes out again, people will forget that sales were a flop first time around! Yup, that sums it up.

Wow, there are some Sony dickriders foreal. This has been bothering me for a while and now I just gotta get it off my chest. For starters, it has perplexed me for the longest time how so many will argue to the grave that sony makes the best systems and games when in reality, most of you couldn't manage to name one game title that you like playing on playstation that is exclusive to playstation. Everyone always says that," Xbox is weak to playstation because playstation has more games," which is true, but in retrospect, you probably only care to play about 5% of those games. I'm not gonna lie, Xbox isn't much better, but face facts, Halo alone is better than playstation 2's entire library. Coupled with the fact that games for xbox look a hell of alot better and it actually has four controller ports like any sane system, playstation and ps2 blow. Even the last standing arguement people had about the controllers has been successfully truncated, especially in reference to the 360 controller which is possibly the best engineered controller of the past 2 decades( not to mention sony cant legally produce the multitap anymore, boo hoo). As far the ps3 goes, ima tell you exactly why it, Blu-ray, and sony will fail within the next 5 years. For one, how do you expect to have amazing games for a system that utilizes a central processing archecture no one can code for. Yeah, thats right, if you want to reinvent the wheel you gotta start at square one. 360 on the other hand uses a multicore processor native to computers which developers have already got a head start on programming for. Secondly, note the failed Blu-ray design. Don't you think there's a reason Blu-ray players are being continually pushed back. Im not certain but from what i read on this site it sounds as though sony is in over their head. Manipulating the shape of the laser just to mash a few extra gigs of info onto a disk; space that reportedly most likely wont even be necessary. Besides how much space is needed to produce a game anyway. As of now most games use regular dvd which hold no more than 5 gigs, let alone if they started using dl disks. Basically what im trying to say is you should give sony a chance to fall on there face before you knock 360. Besides, i think sony is in for a big surprise come launch time for ps3- i.e. Halo 3.

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The 360 is the next dreamcast. Microsoft is doing the exact same thing sega did.

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...And that makes me even happier I bought one. *Sighs while dreaming of new homebrew* As for Japanese sales; I think it would benefit MS to just not worry about it. It's not a good market for them, don't invest in it; don't lose money from it. I love the system, but it's focus is american titles that they have no interest in. I'm definitely not a ps2 fan. I have 80+ ps2 games, and find them boring personally. But that's my preference, and everyone has their own. One can argue hardware, but no system is universally 'the best'. Never will be.

"Wow, there are some Sony dickriders foreal" Talking out of experience? lolooll In any event, why would the Japanese buy a foreign console that doesn't cater to their needs like Sony does? It's just common sense, flop first time around, re-release will most likely flop once more.

You know cinnjerm, there may be some truth in what you're saying, but you're not brilliant at giving people the idea you know what you're talking about.

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That's not a good start, but there are plenty of sony fanboys, I'll give you that.

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when in reality, most of you couldn't manage to name one game title that you like playing on playstation that is exclusive to playstation.

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Erm, Gran Turismo? I know the xbox has had a counter-game to the series in the form of Forza, but that's at least one title.

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Halo alone is better than playstation 2's entire library.

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You're starting to sound like a fanboy. Good though Halo is, it's not EVERYTHING. You haven't a wide knowledge of consoles if you think Halo owns all.

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Granted, the xbox looks better (although it came out later - the PS3 will be coming out later than the PS3 so that trend may follow) How many times have you actually used 4-player on your Xbox? I've never had the occasion to do it, and yes, I do have more than one friend. The PS3, the actual rival to the discussed 360 has support for 7 wireless bluetooth controllers. So far, you've pointed out why the xbox is supposedly better than the PS2, but you may have noticed this thread is about the Xbox 360. Those comments really belong in the Xbox/PS2 forum.

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the 360 controller which is possibly the best engineered controller of the past 2 decades

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That's a matter of opinion. I like the 360 controller, but I still prefer the dualshock myself.

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it, Blu-ray, and sony will fail within the next 5 years.

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Well some people obviously can code for it, because funnily enough, games have been announced for the PS3. Sony may be powerful and a little ignorant of consumers, but they're not stupid. Come the time the Xbox's standard DVD drive is spanning three discs for games, and using up all three cores to the limit, the Blu-ray PS3 will have another 15GB to go, and four more cores left.

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you should give sony a chance to fall on there face before you knock 360. Besides, i think sony is in for a big surprise come launch time for ps3- i.e. Halo 3.

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You mean they won't see it coming? Nice surprise, it's like having a birthday present left unwrapped on the dining room table for 6 months prior to the event. Wake up, as I've said before, Halo isn't the be all and end all.

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Besides how much space is needed to produce a game anyway. As of now most games use regular dvd which hold no more than 5 gigs

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Well, Gran turismo 4 is 9GB, and this 5GB for games is the limit for today. You'll notice it will be a few more years until the next console, and funnily enough, games get bigger. PS2 dual layer discs are 14 times the size of PSX discs from 5 years before. Oh dear, Xbox 360 discs are only the same size as original xbox discs. I'm sorry, but you don't make a good case for Microsoft.

First off; thank you sammorris. And I genuinely mean that. I hate fanboys of any kind, especially Halo fanboys. Which is ironic considering how much I prefer XBox over the others. lol. -Games *DO* need more room, and the Blu-ray disc can provide that. -Yes, many programming divisions have begun coding for the PS3; although it should be noted that both Hideo Kojima and ID Games' ohn Carmack have both come forward stating that after seeing dev kits, they prefer to code for 360, hands down. If you want reference, let me know, and I can post it tonight. I'm not here to get angry and fight; I'm here to post what I know and have verified, and to hear from others. -Great call on GT. I couldn't have called it any better. There are some exclusives, I personally abhor almost every one of them; but that's my preference, not the general masses'. GT is, *IMO*, finished. Not in the way that they can't make it anymore, or that it won't sell new games; but in the way, that there is nothing more than new graphics updates, and maybe very slight physics changes. Sony; I'm bored. God of War though; great title. -

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That's a matter of opinion. I like the 360 controller, but I still prefer the dualshock myself.

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THANK YOU! SANITY in this argument has long been needed. It *is* a matter of preference, and no one should ever say a controller is better, or one sucks. Unless it's that horrible GC controller(It's okay I own and use one, lol.) My big argument is absolutely NOT that the PS3 will suck. Why? Sony can't afford that, and will make sure it doesn't. My argument is that all the information about how great it is are grossly exaggurated, the features and videos shown previously are not at all accurate. Sony is doing exactly what they did with the PS2; they are hyping a machine, with promises that they have no intention of delivering on. I don't know if anyone recalls; but Sony said that the PS2 was 1ghz, up until about two months before launch, when they only got really quiet about the topic. This new system will be great one way or another, understand that I mean it when I say that. But for me, it will never pass the 360; because I prefer those franchises. And no, I'm not referring to Halo, which is far too idolized. I'm talking about series like PGR and Elder Scrolls. These are great titles, among many good ones that Microsoft has secured. And Sony has theirs; which I personally find boring. Sony isn't going to be surprised by Halo 3. They're not idiots. They expect it; and I am beginning to suspect they might be working a deal to go for at least limited exclusivity for Unreal Tournament 2007 console version... Because Epic is suddenly very quiet about that version... And that one title might actually be reason enough to change my mind. Only time will tell. Neither company is going under here. It's just not happening. At the worst; there could be a buy out.... four years from now. Even *that* would be a ways off. And as a hardcore gamer; having logged countless thousands of hours on the current gen systems (except GC at prolly somewhere around a couple hundred) I prefer XBox, but still acknowledge ps2 with some decent games, and a large library. I also wish to emphasize more and more that XBox fans need to find a better reason than Halo. Grr. I think that this may be the first race where it's really all about preference, because the honest line of performance and graphics between the two major contendors (Sorry Nintendo; you're still around, but you've chosen to prefer a different market niche...)is getting smaller and smaller as more info is leaked from programmers, etc.; I honestly hope this happens. Because I'm tired of Halo and better graphics being the only excuse most people have for liking my system of choice. I love the modability (Which, upon examining the insides of the 360, will probaby still be a big scene) of the xbox. All the things you can do with it. I love the connected online play (Which Sony is hoping to compete with through a deal being discussed with Gamespy). I loved the controller. These are much better reasons to prefer a system than Halo, or "Sometimes it looks better". I applaud Sony's effort on the PS3, and hope it does well; so that Microsoft has to work hard to compete. Because only when that happens will both sides of gamers really win, because they reap the benefits of better games, possibly competitive pricing, and more features. Regardless of which side you are for, this my friends is where it's at for all of us.

It's nice to be able to speak to someone who doesn't pick holes in every word you write, even if they hold the other viewpoint. I'm glad to see there are some competent people on both sides of the lake, sometimes things get a bit depressing - "playstation and ps2 blow". What will your standpoint be once games start to be limited by 9GB?

I can bet you a $1000 that in 6years xbox360 is going to sell more than ps3.

handsom You are so right the 360 caters to the casual gamer hored of the US and the the ps3 will cater to nearly all gamer types altho much like MS they will dumb everythign they can down for the hored ><. Bascily what they did with deus ex 2 and Quake 4,you have some points some almsot to the point of fanboyness but eh I am not happy with the current 3 the qauilty titles on all of them are so far and few you have to own all of them to get all the qauilty titles,the PS2 is awash is crap games ture but then it dose have the most games of the current gen systems so it will be bottom heavy with crap,it has the best RPGs and as nice as KOTOR and JAde Empire are they dont cut it... Bascily its like I always say the Xbox is nice and powerfull but it lacks games I want the cube is for a acouple of quailty titles (metroid,zelda) and the PS2 is to fill out my gameing regime. AS for the new systems sad to say but yse sicne the PS3 has the market share and the devs its going to put down the 360 simpley becuse the 360 had a horried launch and like you said wont do well in japan and becuse of that japanase devs will stir clear of it,however I hope they dont more uqine games means a better chance at better games like Ninja Giaden....the REV will easily cling to the 3rd spot becuse of their downloadable content howver if they work on thier games and thier overall lineup it could repalce the 360 in the number 2 spot. BTW the 360 is gettign a new revision new CPU and other new guts hopefully this will run better than it did befor... I dout Sony will screw up the launch but it could happen,I dout japanase devs will get on the 360 bus but it could happen,I dout the REV will fail completly but it could happen....I am hopeing and praying 3rd party pad makers make normal PS2 pads for the PS3.... PS anyone know if N.U.D.E was ever released in the states? it was an odd AI game/program for the Xbox mmmmmmmm (trying to make a list of to get Xbox games *L*) Besides the crap lauch and iff quailty of the console itself..its stealing all the PC games *L* or at least its stealing all the games that should be PC frist (Oblivion has some icoin and other small annoyances on the PC version that coems from cross platforming altho compared to dues ex 2 you dont notice them *L*) Yes it is stealing becsue if it was not thier the games would be on the computer and the bad games would get enough of an outcry going that they might have stoped and watched what they are doing...but no its a console they dont have to worry about quailty.. now thats how I feel altho what I beleive is a bit diffrent The upside to consoles no patchs the down side....rushed games need patching no matter the system...I wonder if they could patch Quake 4 on the 360...mmmmmm I guess the 360 could eailsy have patchable games...prehaps I need to get a Xbox and review some more games *L* in the alst 5 years games on the PC ahve felt rushed or under dev'd and then add no demos (the great public beta test) and no patchs ....*sigh* its a mess....and it seems the PC is dieing for the most....damn I rambled again >< I am not a happy camper *L* been tryign to get my PC runnign right this year last year was bad both my parents died 9 months apart,the year befor that mom was found to have canser dad was always sick...uhg Anyway if MS suported computer gameing I would be in a bit better postion since I pluged 400 into the comp so far this year....I need toput another 200 into it and leave it alone for acouple years *L* still the 360 dosent look worth while right now,the Xbox dose so I wantone for Xmas *L* might can tag one in 3 or somonths my DS died need to replace that...I want to finish dawn of sorrow ;_; BTW I been playing Snowblind on the PS2 for almost aweek the controls drove meto buy the PC version for 10$ andyou know what I was suprised at CD for takeing the time and converting the controlls to PC its not liek the snow jod Ion did on dues ex 2 altho I will admit thereis abit more qauilty in DXIW vocie acting and level design,how ever the bio mods and wepons are a bit messed up I guess Ion Storm was going down in mid dev of DX2.....Crystal Dynamicsseemsto doa good job I wouldnt mind them makeing a DX3 but it needs to be based off DX1 not 2...the only downside DX1 has is the odd aiming system whitch I never had a problem with butit turnd alot of people off..

There'll always be a system that's awash with crap games, and that's the one that's easiest to code for. It's unavoidable, and if anything, the system with that bunch of rubbish will be better as it shows the inherent ease in coding for the console, which is an advantage the 360 has. However, the more advanced technology of the PS3 may yield more overall.

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Possibly, the 65nm version will be cooler, but I heard the issues were with the GPU not the CPU, however I could be wrong. We're all starting to sound fanboyish, so to try and rectify this, I see a few more people wiling to get the 360 after these revisions, but I'd still avoid one for the fact that it's still not going to be 100% reliable and I see no improvements to the disc drive yet, so discs are still going to be carved up.

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I can bet you a $1000 that in 6years xbox360 is going to sell more than ps3.

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You're on! You stand to lose a lot of money!

@ZIppyDSM If you could revise that post, that would be great; I'm really struggling through it. I'm not going off on you or anything, because I have typos myself; but I can't really understand a large part of it, I gather that you don't like certain games, like kotor and jade empire; and you feel that the xbox's are stealing pc games. They do share a lot of titles, but multi-platforming is hardly theft. A publisher decides that they can make more money by putting the game on multiple platforms; this happens a lot, it's nothing new to the last generation of gaming. Heck; they put quake and mechwarrior onto the ps1... Ick, what a bad idea. As for Project N.U.D.E.; I haven't heard that title in SO LONG. I remember how exciting that was. It was never released here, or in Japan. It was actually completely scrapped close to release. There may be some japanese betas or demos available, because it came so close to launching. It's a shame too, because it was intriguing. Reminds me that I need to find a cheap copy of seaman somewhere again, loved that title. The ability of the Revolution to cling for power is really fading as of late. Between the downloadable content that was available for the 360 from day one, demos, arcade, videos, etc; and the deal M$ is working with Sega and MAME, they've got quite a good start. I love Super Mario Bros. 3 as much as the next guy; but I'm not going to put out for a new system to download a rom of it. Availability to nitendo's own library doesn't actually impress me as much as it used to. And I'm now fairly certain that it will stay in number 3 for the race. And lastly; I wasn't indicating that the 360 caters to the 'casual' gamer. Sony has that covered with titles like ratchet & clank and god of war. They're great titles, but only a few really fit for the hardcore crowd. Most of them are busy trying to emphasize this image of hip and cool. The XBox specializes more in titles like Unreal Championship, Halo (Too.Many.Fanboys.), Rainbow Six (Let's face it Ubi Soft's PS2 port was crap, the necessary hardware just wasn't there for this title.), and Kotor. Those titles are geared toward the person who puts in hundreds of hours trying to increase their stats, etc. Whereas Jak, God of War, and R & C; some of the biggest staples of Sony's library are short term romps; fun romps; but romps. They're hardly hardcore. Gran Turismo is a simulator, and a great one; and it caters to some hardcore gamers, as does Tekken. But most of those people spend a lot of time in the arcades rather than on their home machines. Who plays tekken, or ANY fighting game by themself for hundreds of hours, without much social interaction, and still respects themself as a person? That's not a strike against Tekken or any fighting game. I'm personally a hardcore fan of DOA; but I only play when I have company, or when I'm trying to open new costumes, etc. Killzone was, again, a minor distraction with some very, very, memorable moments, and it's online play was instantly reminiscent of Half-Life 2's online play. And it lasted about the same four hours before I got bored and went to something more interesting at the moment. Again; they both have their games, and they're good games. I find that the XBox; especially with the unarguably superior online play lends itself much more to the hardcore (Especially online) gamer. The PS2 has a higher tendency for the occasional, or casual gamer. I really enjoyed all the platformers available on the PS2; but there's nothing hardcore about them. The Xbox exclusive titles lean more towards competitive, long term multiplayer shooters. It's people trying to get their stats higher and higher with that last extra kill..... For five hours. In that arena, PS2 has socom... And that doesn't hold a fraction of the shine it used to for me.

I'd really call myself a casual gamer. Heck, I dug out my N64 and diddy kong racing to have a go at that for a few weeks, so I'm no hardcore, but the PS2 just had more for me at the time, plus it was cheaper... I can see the revolution coming third too, but bear in mind a great deal of the younger folk who play consoles will still find the Nintendo approach practical, and with the ability to play older content, while that gives no more appeal to hardcore gamers, it enormously increases the appeal in the niche market that Nintendo are aiming for.

I agree. Nintendo is really connecting with a niche market, and I think they're feeding a market that will grow. I'm really starting to like my DS with the titles in the last 12 months. They've succeeded hugely in that manner. I wonder if they'll still hold that younger market; or will they simply transfer to this niche altogether after a couple years? And hey; I can relate to the DKR urge. I have it stored on my XBox; since my n64 is in a box in the closet. Every now and then I get the urge to play DKR, Cruisin' World, or Goldeneye, among others (Extreme G!!!!). So it's nice having them on there for easier access. And no matter which system you prefer; you can probably admit that the sales will show an overall preference for PS3, then 360, then Revolution. For me; it's important to remember that just because your system doesn't sell the most; is no reason not to enjoy it. I still love my dreamcast; it had really good games that just didn't get enough advertising. Eventually I'm sure that I'll have all three next gen consoles. I don't even wonder about it. It's a matter of time. Even the rev has a cool looking title (Red Steel anyone?). However; I already know (Especially after comparing controllers) that my preference lies with M$. And other people will differ. It's not something to get angry about; it's just a fact of the market.

sammorris sicne you still ahve your old system No you are not a casual gamer,a Casaul gamer sells off old to buy new and dosent care about little thigns like quailty *L* I would say your an avrage gamer that buys what he likes and palys the stuff he keeps now and then ^^ handsom *gets out a hammer* lets see if I can proof that post *L*

Lol. Well much appreciated, I'm still using the equipment as when bought, if a little dustier than before. Goldeneye too, fabulous game! Agree with your running order btw, handsom!

sammorris wish I could ahve kept my systems and games when mom was found to ahve canser everythign went boom ;_; oh well I can always rebuy them..

Oh I'm sorry to hear that, that must be a right downer. Ebay is a great place to get cheap old stuff though, with the exception of real rarities consoles can be found with games for under 10% of their original value.

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I'm so confused........... Mommy my brain hurts *Cries in corner* *L* As for my 64; I plan on holding on to at least one until it starts gaining value again. I've got a dent in one, so I'll prolly just mod it all up when I get bored. I do so love paint and leds.... FUN!

Lol do they even need heatsinks?

handsom it seems my hammer broke *L* I should has used a nuke *L* lets try a mini verison of that The 360 is built for the mindless money spending casaul gamer. Look at the downgrade in qauilty for Dues ex 2 and quake 4 (altho I think Ion storm was dieing while deving it thus that could be the main reason,Quake 1-3 have more design and quailty in them than Q4 dose Q4 is so limited in qauilty its scary but then the casual gamer would rather have soemthing to paly for 2 hours and and forget) Solid quailty games are so rare you need all 3 systems for my the Xbox is the last sicne it has the least ammount of games. Sony owns the market more or less,with the 260 and the REv going to be gettign the scraps,I wish more devs would amke games for the 360 not jsut ports but oh well. I dont like where PC gameing is going vista looks to be a nasty DRM mosnter and MS wants games on the Xbox and not on the comp.so bascily they have stole games from the comp to be Xbox only,but then look at what thier doing with halo 2 to try and sell more vista..blah...it pains me to see comp gameing dieing ,its not dead yet but it is nothing like it was 5 years ago.

At the rate PC gaming is going, you're looking at a £700($1250) system to run proper games properly, and a £2000($3500) system to run games at their full potential, if you can. With a lot of games that's not possible yet. You'll be looking at 4GB RAM minimum to get good performance out of games once Vista's around, it's ridiculous. PS3 gets my vote for pretty much the same reason as you, zippy. (How's Bungle and george? lol)

Well; first off, Deus Ex 2 was an original XBox title; not made for the 360. So you're taking a game that doesn't run halfway decent on most machines under 2.2ghz, with AT least 512 mb ram and a decent video card. Then try to reprogram same game; same engine, etc. to work on a system that is 700Mhz with only 64 mb ram that is SHARED for video with an onboard GeForce 3. Even though you don't have windows hogging resources in the background; it was an unfeesible task to begin with. It should not have been attempted for the system. I think it would have been much smarter for them to consider waiting for a 360 port with lots of extras; because that might have done really well. But then again, Ion Storm was pretty much in pieces by the end of the dev cycle. So that seems unavoidable. I'm really tired of hearing that Microsoft is stealing computer games. Really. This is about the worst strike I've heard against the XBox because it has no logical backing. M$ does not create those ports. M$ doesn't pay for them. In fact, the game companies come to M$, and pay THEM to be allowed to make the game for the XBox. M$ happened to have a system that had the best hardware, and was therefore the closest gap between pc and console specs. And towards the last year or two; it became a gap that many game companies shouldn't have jumped; because some ports came about that were really hard to swallow for me. *cough* Doom 3 *cough*. But again; that is a decision by the developer and publisher, not by M$. You don't even see them porting most of their computer series to the 360, Dungeon Siege, Age of Empires, Age of Mythology.... Q1-3 weren't actually produced for the xbox (Although, I did find a way to run it on mine *SCORE!*), because they were considered older titles, with a lower profitability by the time XBox hit shelves, not to mention the Online Live service that I have come to know and love. Quake 4 was; indeed; a horrible port, I was actually just posting about it in another thread yesterday. ID games allowed Raven Software (An owned subsidiary, comprised of texture/modeling/mapping specialists) to produce Quake 4 using the Doom 3 engine. That was good; they are experts and created a very solid pc title. Unfortunately; ID also allowed them to be responsible for the 360 port. This was a HUGE mistake. Raven has never *done* a port before. This was their first attempt. They didn't know what they were doing. ID should have taken the helm of this one themselves (Here's looking at you, John Carmack) and done a good dirty port for the code, allowing it to better work with the 360's hardware. And it wouldn't have been difficult, for two reasons. The Xbox, as well as the 360 use XNA which combines the Direct X code common to so many pc games already, and both XBox's bear strikingly strong resemblances (Hardware-wise) to most common home pc's. The similar hardware and code make it easier for most companies to do a port; but raven had never done their own port before, so they basically didn't know *anything* about what they were doing, it was an entirely new set of hardware, it had never been used majorly before, and they had never done any kind of port before. It doesn't matter how simple M$ makes it; it was doomed to be bad. If ID had done it themselves; they could have made a vastly superior port in a fraction of the time. But it does bring me to wonder what ID is working on themselves right now. I haven't heard anything of a new project from them; but they are pushing all their big stuff since Doom 3 onto subsidiaries and out-sourced contract companies to just use their current engine... So, I want to know what's so important they're working on instead of Quake 4, Quake Wars, etc, etc. Is it the widely rumored 4th Wolfenstein Title? Anyways M$ doesn't make the majority of games, nor do they do the ports themselves. They leave that to other companies who choose to do it of their own free will; and even pay for the privelage to do it. It seems odd to be saying that the 360 is for the mindless money spender; considering it has features that the PS3 isn't even trying to claim it will match (See: Live features, downloads, buddy lists, intergaming chat, hard-drive used for games and able to play user's music in game, more). While the PS3 is looking to have slightly better hardware and a $500 price tag. Now; without arguing features, and without going back to the childish "My system is better, you're a dumbhead" argument; I am curious to know why:

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When the hardware being so close (as recent reports and public announcements have made clear) and the price tag of the PS3 looking like $500us dollars, *possibly* $400, but that's a weaker, less sourced rumor. How is it that *this* system is for the casual, money spending gamer? And mindless? Honestly. Look at all the extra features this system has, even above gaming, like browsing photos and video from your hard drive in high def, even listening to your pc's music collection while playing on live. This system does leaps and bounds more than anything else on the market. It has unprecedented usability and functionality; so how does that fit the 'mindless' money spender? I'll be really frank; you're resorting to name-calling on that one. And I don't think you have anything to back up that statement; because you've given no grounds for it; and all the facts point that you're wrong about it. Maybe I missed something. It's entirely possible, I make mistakes. But I don't see the logic or reasoning to your 'mindless' statement. [And yes, Sammorris, the N64 had heat sinks, which would make adding LEDs and even fans rather challenging, but fun. How cool would it be to do the high speed tweak; and have added cooling functionality, as well as extra lighting? ....The joys of having a backup system that was free.] One more thing; the 'quality' statement on the Q1-3 to quake 4. I really want to hear more on this, because I think you're giving a rather quick opinion that doesn't have much substance or thought. Quake 3 was entirely multiplayer (playing bots in a score based arena doesn't warrant a single player mode.) It was a great multiplayer mode, but that's all it was. Quake 4 kept that SAME multiplayer mode, with new maps. And had a storyline again; which was sorely missed on quake 3 (Despite the fact that I *still* enjoy playing it). Quake 4 had vastly improved graphics; and you can tell me that's wrong till you're blue in the face, but any comparable screenshot will indicate that you'd be wrong. So, let's see here; improved graphics, same multiplayer online action with new maps, more advanced AI that was smarter than any other quake game(They actually realized on occasion that they were outgunned, low on health, and screwed), and a continuance of the storyline that made Quake 2(And it's ad-ons) so good, while even giving a brand new twist on the series. Given it wasn't the longest title in existence, it certainly wasn't the shortest by any means. Quake one wasn't a terribly long single player experience. Quake 2 was a good length, but only felt complete with the expansions, and Quake 3's single was a pre-set botmatch series that came out feeling somewhat forced by the end. So; I really don't get the complaint you have on 'quality' for Quake 4. The only issue was a very rare and occasional slow-down issue that most users only encountered at unusual moments. And again; that was a bad call; giving Raven such a potentially high-profile title.

Hanson about qauilty Q1-Q3 and Q4....not everythign revoles around the Xbox,quailty is qauilty regardless of the system nd Q4 is on the lower end of medicoreness at best.. I guess you where never a PC gamer the PC has all that and its being left in the dust so the Xbox and 360 will live,this is the companies choice and hell it seems ALL the publishers and devs are thinking like that to a point. The graphics on Q4 mean shit if you dont like it I hated Q4 so much out of the box I desided to finish the SP side befor desidieng whether not to take it back or not,you forget they had MP sever and other troubles out of the box whitch are kind of fixed now,as for MP with the limited models it dose feel like its less than Q2-Q3 it might have more maps but that dosnet help that limited new game feel. Uummm have you palyed god of war? I am trying to finish it on hard I have not and its been a month 0-o Plus GOW has the best damn Action gameplay controls. and KOTOR is PC frist *L* PS3 has better tech more games and blu ray out of the box moive nuts looking for the enxt big hardware thing might go ga ga over it. But the PS3 has the market share anyway or at elast when it comes out it should.the 360 is a niche machine like the Cube and the Rev,altho I think they are better focused at thier amrket than the 360 is I dont mean your a mindless gamer,I ment thats what it feels like everything is being watered down for them,and well on the whole gameing seems to be suffering alittle in qauilty...again you dont seem to understand what I mean be qauilty Q4 Level design Q2 had well built intracit levels Q4s are simple gun and runs,hell D3 at elast tired to but hidden and secrts in it...didnt work to well but at elast they tried *L* this is my biggest gripe I mean Q2 had 2 or 4 hidden levels for chrish sake >> the AI didnt seem to bright Q3s seemed to be a bit smarter but eh I only palyed thru Q4 twice to see if I missed anything once on normal and once on hard but meh all games seem to have iffy AI now and then *L* the weapons are simple Q3 ports with some updsates and upgrades every few levels not that bad but soem of thema re a bit weak,god weak weapons is why I stoped palying UT 03..that and the 8Ball rocket launcher was tossed out >> UT o4 is a bit more fun but the weapons still feel nerfed... Dose Q4 have Localized damage?it didnt feel like it,for soem strange reason they didnt put it in or removed it from DX IW its odd and annoying No item belt basic voice acting (it feels like they got 2 or 4 good VAs and they did everythign for the game 0-o),to me Q2 while not perfect it is at the least twice what Q4 is sure Q4 might have a story where Q2 didnt but a medicore story is not going to save a midecore game,look where the game was and look where it is while your at it look at FPSs in genreal over the years and Q4 aint nothign new the only thing I can tell it has "new" in it it the upgrades over time,whitch is not bad butit dosent help the game much... look at DX IW its have finished the weapon mods and bio mods need to be redone the inventory is horried the controll shcemes are lacking but then this is what you get with rushed games publishers should just step off >> I ahve seen one to many "good" games die becuse the publishers didnt let the games be finished. Altho I guess I am wrong to enjoy Doom 1 that has insanely good level design for a flat world simpel shoot till you drop game paly and D3 has bland level design and a story set in a badly darkened world...man what was carmack smokeing frist he males this uber engine then he tries to hide it in darkness >< *L* Sorry aobut my incoheranceness *L* I apologize if I insulted you,I merely mean to me a jaded and fickle gamer that knows the games I loved or at least liked it feels like the industry is slacking in order to produce simple games for the masses. You have valid points about the 360s games being more for adlut and they have some classic PC game seris and other titles that feel liek they would have been on the PC if it were not for them,I hope they are great uniqe games I would liek to the the 360 take from the Xbox its unqie games and make them into qauilty titles,I like Odd US amde low end RPGs the Xbox has acouple titles,Ever paly Aydian Chronicals for he N64 that was a crazy little RPG in bad need of acouple patchs but it turn out to be rather fun ^^ the way thigns are going I am starting to aprchant the odd under the radar titles.

Holy crap looks like I am buying UT 04,soemone made a total conversion of Dues ex 1...*drool* I hope they left the evil aiming setup out *L*

Really? That's totally off topic; but AWESOME! I just reloaded that onto my system and remembered how awful it looked; but if they ported a UT2k4 version; I'm all for it! WEWT! [We definitely agree on something.]

handsom I was talking a bit about O3s...nerfy weapons and 04s weak weapons but at least it has vehicels *poke* didnt read it eh :P but anyway OMG drool ^^ I bet it will take me a week to download on dailup >< Deus Ex: Reborn Website Deus Ex: Reborn Forum Deus Ex: Reborn ModDb Page BTW you think DX 1 looks bad try palyign DX IW on the comp...at the mod cominty is tryign to fix it the config tool puts all the effects back in and the tex pack makes it look as good or better than the Xbox,to bad the SDK aint out yet so they can overhaul the codeing *L*

crap its not done yet >< but heck its a reason to buy 04 *L* weeeee! ggaa between watching Star wars and talking about KOTOR I want to buy them for the both for the PC lost 1 in the moves I did last year ><

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That's actually a good point, Albeit vulgar. I haven't yet played Quake 4 but I want to despite what people say. Everything that people use as reasons for it being bad excite me making me want to play it. Simple and mindless, who cares? So am I in a few respects! Hanson, you are arguing a relatively good point and I agree about the quakes, but despite being right about Zippy's statement, you are downplaying the PS3's superior abilities somewhat. Admittedly the non-games and films aspect of the PS series isn't going to match M$'s effort, but I cannnot let go of a half-price new technology DVD player coupled with an out of this world gaming machine.

sammorris Q4 is bearable for msot gamers I guess ,I am a fan of Q2 and see Q4 as nothing but eye candy ,plus add all the other good fps I ahve palyed and it goes from bad to worse 0-o sorry my vocablary flucates with my IQ *L* But its ture Eye candy gets rotten fast,while depth in gmaepaly and story last,Its liek FFX great story bad voice acting worse gamepaly,I realy wish sicne they dont higher a good VA staff theyd leave the japaanse tracks in ;_; that and take the effort to code in a small subtitle line for simple on screen subing uhg I might downpaly the PS3s domenance only becuse its not here yet they still ahve a chance to mess up but meh I dout it,the 360 has a higher chance of getting Japanase devs on board than the PS3 has to fail or have a bad launch.

They have a chance to mess up, but a lower one for the exact reason you quoted, it's not out yet. The 360 only had a very poor launch because it was released too early.

sammorrisabout my FFX comment I forgot to add I rmeember it for 2 reasons mian reasons good stry and messed up gamepaly (fighitng was annoying but the weapon/equipment setup was frustrateing as hell) The level up setup they had in it was nice to,but I mainly rmeember thos 2 things. Cant wait for the PS3 to come out thats the one to watch ^^ 360 is a let down,in a year or 2 it might be a complete system but untill then theres nothign for me to sink my teeth in.

And to top it all off, both the 360 demo units were out of order in my local shops (Game, HMV) on Friday. Fantastic.

@ sam morris u nsty person :(
erm 360s are crap do u want to beat mine up with me??????
microsoft are rubbish with cutting costs etc

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Awww, we hurt your feelings? We're not mindlessly going "oh the 360's rubbish" "360 suxx0rs!!, PS3 r0xx0rs!!" we're pointing out its flaws in an intelligent, forum-worthy manner. You just love the 360 to bits and can't stand the criticism.

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Yes the games are better than the PS2, but the 360's four years newer, and a generation apart. Fair comparison? The games themselves aren't more powerful, the console is, yet my PS2 doesn't overheat and crash, and I can move it when it's running and not destroy my discs! It uses the same disc technology as the 360, and on a select few games you can output an HD signal, the two aren't worlds apart.

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and who the hell was saying that ninteno is going to kick xbox 360 ass! you need help. reverlution is half as poewrful then xbox 360.

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So it's all about power is it? Nintendo have explicitly said the console isn't designed to be powerful, it's designed to be fun. Hell knows I get just as much enjoyment (if not more) out of my 90mhz N64 as my 300mhz PS2 or my 2165mhz PC - power's irrelevant. The Wii shows real potential despite the name, and I have every faith it will come close to the 360's sales, Japanese sales for the 360 have been practicaly non-existant, you can bet your life hey'll be more than significant for Wii.

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And why's this? Not only can a PS2 play games better (i.e. without crashing) than your precious 360, but it's a first class DVD player on top of that, hardly what I'd call Barely playing games.

firstly sammorris, your post was to long so i didnt read it all, and secondly your mean! im telling bill gates everythink you just said youve angered him. and thirdly i dont acually care anymore the 360 and ps3 are better then each other in diffrent ways so there. now leave me alone. mean person!

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What exactly are you trying to prove? Most of the time I'd read that as sarcasm, but you just seem to be an idiot.

im not an idiot and no i dont spend all day reading peoples posts. i HAVE A LIFE. dude i dont care what console is better ok. i couldnt care less now that i think about it, at the end of the day a console just plays games and makes you lazy...

@glitchzoo "i HAVE A LIFE." This is a statement reflective of an individual who easily acquiesces in light of more refined reasoning. @sammoris Labeling someone an idiot, is quite lame as it attacks the person rather than his or her's poorly structured premises to his or her's argument (as is the case with glitchzoo which apparently has a life, yet by contradiction, still have time to reply to your queries) Back to the topic at hand, the Japanese sales of Xbox 360 will pale in comparison to the PS3, and it will most certainly become another unmemorable flop of an already unmemorable console.

sammorris go get im *L* hot_ice I'll admit I am a idoit,but when most people read some thigns....it starts the idiot alarms "SHUT UP ALL OF YOU LEAVE THE 360 ALONE. " "but the gammes are exxerlent ad are betterthe ps2 " Oh well if tis only 2 hes doing good you can find twice that in my posts *L* glitchzoo ...*sigh* what can I say that has not already been said,Power dose not eaqule rule,support dse,the PS2 has more support than the 360 and Xbox combined,The Rev will have downloadable games of SNES,Genisis,N64,Turbo graph (and CD I hope) plus GC plus rev games that alone will help it fight if not out "mucsel" the 360,the 360 is a desent system but much liek teh Xbox it will have to fight nintendo over whos going to be number 2 again. Now then I have a headache and will return to my hole mew =0_o=

glitchzoo: My how people change. hot_ice: Calling someone an idiot is admittedly very derogatory and I had second thoughts about doing it, but to be honest one wonders whether he would have understood it any other way.

@glitchzoo Before going any further, I would like to point out one thing: No. You don't have a life. You're here, responding to insult after insult, and you're changing your own perspective within one single post, as though it was that way the entire time. And you very much need to find the spellcheck option on your computer. I hear a lot of arguments about game systems, all over the place. It's quite common. And I'm able to keep my head above water in all of them; because I have a logic and reasoning behind my opinions. And I have the understanding that while my opinions are the product of an unhealthy number of hours gaming and modding; they are just that.... Opinions. I'm used to being the odd man out in console talk; even though I can accurately keep ahead of the pack. But quite frankly, it's only around people like you, that I ever actually feel embarassed to be an XBox fan. You make me sad Timmy. That's a bad, bad little Timmy. Yes; I do downplay the PS3; I've done a whole heck of a lot of research; and on multiple occasions over AD, I've brought my proof to the table. I wouldn't post such strong statements without having it. However; I do not ever say that it is inferior to anything. It is simply on par. And that is the only point I make here. It is NOT vastly ahead of the competition, not at all. It has hardware that is capable of a little bit more. Which is always nice, and on occasion, can be the trick to winning a console race. So it may work perfectly for that. I do downplay the Blu-ray functionality, for reasons that I've stated in other threads. And that is that most studios don't have recordings in the 1080p range. The film used in most technicolor (Still the most commonly used camera in Hollywood; bar none.) is not capable of producing more than a 720p image, and even that requires some significant touching up. That's not a strike against the technology; that's a statment that the technology, while wonderful, has no practical use in the marketplace. Also; the wonderful 1080p gaming that Sony has promised; has been decried by developers, saying that while the hardware is excellent; full resolution, 1080p using current graphics standard technology is not feesible on the current unit. It is still too demanding. They are downscaling to 720p; a method that allows the impression of slightly smoother images. But not by much. And realistically, it won't be noticable in any bad sort of way. It simply means that the 720p televisions will show the exact same image as any higher quality set. Again; not a bad thing, it just means that one of their biggest statements is now bunk. Although; while lower than originally stated, the contained processor's power is above the 360. I am wondering how that will come into play with the 256 mb system memory. They took a different approach than M$ did. M$ used 512mb shared for video and everything, and SOny seperated them into 256 for video, and 256 for system. I've done comparisons with systems, where the cpu a is about 1ghz faster than cpu b; but computer with cpu b still outperforms a if it has significantly more memory. I don't know how much this might come into play with consoles, seeing as their isn't some annoying os eating up memory in the background, so it may not be the same at all with these two competitors. All said and done, the performance specs have been made available, comparing the *processor* power of a 360, a 3.6ghz 64bit HT P4, and a PS3. The pc came in lowest, with the 360 about 7 times better scored, and the ps3 beating the computer by about 8. Again; memory might or might not have anything to do with the performance, but if it causes the same caveat as in PCs, this could be one very interesting run. I still haven't heard any reply to indicate what single one thing was bad about quake 4, compared to the older ones, no one is giving me any reason at all; other than the fact that it quite clearly isn't Quake 2. And that is only as screamingly loud as to say that Halo isn't the same as Marathon. Now; I may have gone terribly over some people's heads with that reference, or they may think I'm referring to some old atari game; but that's okay, judging from the way glitchzoo here posts; I'm sure that at least he's used to that happening.

handsom wow *takes own brain out and cleans it* I hope I can be as coherant as you one day ;_; I try and keep thigns simple thus I dont drowen myself in thought or word.

Ok, let's get one thing clear, if you enjoy the console because it offers a wide array of games that suit your pleasurability so to speak, then you don't really care if the processor of the console can send you to the ends of the universe in awe. Let's face it, the Xbox or the PS3, might have better graphics, but when it comes to it, its the games you play, and how you interact online, that either sours or ripens your experience. Personally, I enjoy the PS2, because there are more titles that cater to my needs than the Xbox does. But to be honest, once I am done with it, I am giving it away. Now, in regards to the Japanese release, it makes more sense logically to assume that the PS3 will wipe the floor with the Xbox360 because the product originates from Japan, and probably the marketing that goes behind its promotion, will make an outsider console a long forgotten memory. @Zippy I am not sure what you wrote, either it is directed to me, or people in general, I am uncertain as to the ambiguity of your statement. However, progress has been made, I got a team of decipherers working to translate your statements...hehehehehe No, no, I am just joking. @Sammoris Still, it hurts other people's feelings, even though the person might seem unintelligible... @glitchzoo "The spurious inferences from obsolescent notions of causality" apply to you when suggesting you have a life.

hot_ice hehehehe :P Ture one must holds one toung when cussing or name calling but sometiems it slips 0-o *toung falls out and I give chase* 0.o

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Lol well said! But overall this thread is beginning to become drivel. We just have to wait. if they sell more PS3s than 360s, we'll know!