Sony to build media service for PS3

It is about time! This should have been in the works from the freaking start. What is taking these guys so long?

Questions:

1. How much will it cost
2. What DRM is going to be used
3. What can you do with the file you purchase
4. do you own the media you purchase or a single user licence meaning you are a pirate if you show it to even your parents!

Seems we know what sonys eula on the xcp cd's were like i wouldn't expect too much of a backtrack seems sony are still the most active pro drm lobby in congress.

Now the Legalese Rootkit: Sony-BMG's EULA
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2005/11/now...-sony-bmgs-eula

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1. If your house gets burgled, you have to delete all your music from your laptop when you get home. That's because the EULA says that your rights to any copies terminate as soon as you no longer possess the original CD.

2. You can't keep your music on any computers at work. The EULA only gives you the right to put copies on a "personal home computer system owned by you."

3. If you move out of the country, you have to delete all your music. The EULA specifically forbids "export" outside the country where you reside.

4. You must install any and all updates, or else lose the music on your computer. The EULA immediately terminates if you fail to install any update. No more holding out on those hobble-ware downgrades masquerading as updates.

5. Sony-BMG can install and use backdoors in the copy protection software or media player to "enforce their rights" against you, at any time, without notice. And Sony-BMG disclaims any liability if this "self help" crashes your computer, exposes you to security risks, or any other harm.

6. The EULA says Sony-BMG will never be liable to you for more than $5.00. That's right, no matter what happens, you can't even get back what you paid for the CD.
7. If you file for bankruptcy, you have to delete all the music on your computer. Seriously.

8. You have no right to transfer the music on your computer, even along with the original CD.

9. Forget about using the music as a soundtrack for your latest family photo slideshow, or mash-ups, or sampling. The EULA forbids changing, altering, or make derivative works from the music on your computer.

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Questions:

1. How much will it cost
2. What DRM is going to be used
3. What can you do with the file you purchase
4. do you own the media you purchase or a single user licence meaning you are a pirate if you show it to even your parents!

Seems we know what sonys eula on the xcp cd's were like i wouldn't expect too much of a backtrack seems sony are still the most active pro drm lobby in congress.

Now the Legalese Rootkit: Sony-BMG's EULA
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2005/11/now...-sony-bmgs-eula

Originally posted by link:

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1. If your house gets burgled, you have to delete all your music from your laptop when you get home. That's because the EULA says that your rights to any copies terminate as soon as you no longer possess the original CD.

2. You can't keep your music on any computers at work. The EULA only gives you the right to put copies on a "personal home computer system owned by you."

3. If you move out of the country, you have to delete all your music. The EULA specifically forbids "export" outside the country where you reside.

4. You must install any and all updates, or else lose the music on your computer. The EULA immediately terminates if you fail to install any update. No more holding out on those hobble-ware downgrades masquerading as updates.

5. Sony-BMG can install and use backdoors in the copy protection software or media player to "enforce their rights" against you, at any time, without notice. And Sony-BMG disclaims any liability if this "self help" crashes your computer, exposes you to security risks, or any other harm.

6. The EULA says Sony-BMG will never be liable to you for more than $5.00. That's right, no matter what happens, you can't even get back what you paid for the CD.
7. If you file for bankruptcy, you have to delete all the music on your computer. Seriously.

8. You have no right to transfer the music on your computer, even along with the original CD.

9. Forget about using the music as a soundtrack for your latest family photo slideshow, or mash-ups, or sampling. The EULA forbids changing, altering, or make derivative works from the music on your computer.

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whats ms's eula for their media crap?

@ ZippyDSM

the "because someone else does it" school yard fud, is not a just argument, anti consumer is anti consumer and has no place in this day and age.

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@ ZippyDSM

the "because someone else does it" school yard fud, is not a just argument, anti consumer is anti consumer and has no place in this day and age.

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Not what I ment, really what is the details in the MS eula?
Sony is always over the top on things it can't enforce but I am interested in seeing what MS's Eula for its media stuff.

sony does things well but it just takes so long they should have done this since the beginning

Originally posted by chaos_zzz:

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sony does things well but it just takes so long they should have done this since the beginning

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well?....well?? soy BGM,sony securom(which is slowly getting worse than starforce)..........

sure the service itself should do ok once its up and running live was no worse out at launch either.

It's fun watching Sony play catch up.

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It's fun watching Sony play catch up.

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oh really I didn't know the WII had a media store.... and Live was fcking ground breaking and starting to become retarded with its premium service.

All I see with my blind eyes is if they go nuts with the Eula and if the network implodes on itself,meaning I like to pick on imperfections because I hate my flaws :P

Yes I know zippy fails ^^

@ ZippyDSM

Whooaaa....down boy!
I'm 'avin a laugh,get 'wida' program whydon'tcha'.

So all in all they are trying to turn the ps3 into an Xboc Media Centre. :P

Originally posted by borhan9:

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So all in all they are trying to turn the ps3 into an Xboc Media Centre. :P

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it's not and never will be never can be a media centre, nor will the 360 or wii.

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So all in all they are trying to turn the ps3 into an Xboc Media Centre. :P

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I guess there are only so many ways of doing things. I'm so tired of sony dragging ass with these things. I bought my ps3 from the start and have been waiting and waiting for good things to happen. I'm still waiting.

And when it is complete you will get them, for free. Really, people complain about delays, but the complaining would be 10,000x worse if they rushed out a broken piece of crap that was barely usable.

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And when it is complete you will get them, for free. Really, people complain about delays, but the complaining would be 10,000x worse if they rushed out a broken piece of crap that was barely usable.

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For FREE? are you completely dillusioned? this content will have a heavy premium attached, anti consumer drm that limits its usage with an unfriendly eula, and more than likely with a whole load of targeted adds!

take a breat and breathe for a minute or two nobrainer. Everything has unfriendly eula so that if the company decides to do anything in this lawsuit happy world, they can point to the eula and say we are well within our rights to do that. Of course there is going to be drm, they are a company, out to make money, not a charity. Hopefully there will be adds, I can ignore adds, they don't force me to buy their product, but they will be giving sony their money to put the add there to keep sony's online service free, to me.

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take a breat and breathe for a minute or two nobrainer. Everything has unfriendly eula so that if the company decides to do anything in this lawsuit happy world, they can point to the eula and say we are well within our rights to do that. Of course there is going to be drm, they are a company, out to make money, not a charity. Hopefully there will be adds, I can ignore adds, they don't force me to buy their product,but they will be giving sony their money to put the add there to keep sony's online service free, to me.

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Thats is kind of the point. Sure its free butt its crap. If we had to pay like M$ I'm sure it would be finished by now. Personally I wouldn't mind paying a fee if it were worth it. Sony needs to get their ass in gear, quit talking and start putting out. They just don't seem motivated.

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quit talking and start putting out.

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"Sony to build media service for PS3"

I just want to say one thing to Sony Computer Entertainment !, what happend to all the beautiful things I am able to do with my PS3?, please stop promising bull crap and give some good f**king games.... WHERE ARE THE GAMES !!!!!

Originally posted by gmontalc:

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WHERE ARE THE GAMES !!!!!

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Lets see:
Resistance: Fall of Man
Motorstorm
Heavenly Sword
Need for Speed: Carbon
Oblivion
Warhawk
Ninja Gaiden: Sigma

And coming soon:
Call of Duty 3
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Assasin's Creed
Grand Theft Auto 4
Metal Gear Sold 4: Guns of the Patriots
Army of Two
Vision Gran Turismo
Devil May Cry 4
Time Shift

That makes for an impressive list of games if you ask me. More good games to come but I didn't want to look to far into the future for good games like Final Fantasy and what not.

@ wetsparks

so there is one good game to justify the price and oblivion has been availably on both the 360 and pc for a long time now! games coming cannot be put in the list as they may suck, relying on a handful of upcoming games is ridiculous!

anyway back on topic has anyone seen the EULA, PRICE or DRM limitation of the proposed streaming of content that is yet again a work in progress as are all the games that may be worth playing, but does £300/£350 justify you waiting for them to be released?

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Originally posted by gmontalc:

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WHERE ARE THE GAMES !!!!!

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Lets see:
Resistance: Fall of Man
Motorstorm
Heavenly Sword
Need for Speed: Carbon
Oblivion
Warhawk
Ninja Gaiden: Sigma

And coming soon:
Call of Duty 3
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Assasin's Creed
Grand Theft Auto 4
Metal Gear Sold 4: Guns of the Patriots
Army of Two
Vision Gran Turismo
Devil May Cry 4
Time Shift

That makes for an impressive list of games if you ask me. More good games to come but I didn't want to look to far into the future for good games like Final Fantasy and what not.

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please...tone down the rhetoric...at least half of thos are on the 360 or PC....

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Grand Theft Auto 4

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Is this going to be available on PSP does anyone know?

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Originally posted by gmontalc:

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WHERE ARE THE GAMES !!!!!

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Lets see:
Resistance: Fall of Man
Motorstorm
Heavenly Sword
Need for Speed: Carbon
Oblivion
Warhawk
Ninja Gaiden: Sigma

And coming soon:
Call of Duty 3
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Assasin's Creed
Grand Theft Auto 4
Metal Gear Sold 4: Guns of the Patriots
Army of Two
Vision Gran Turismo
Devil May Cry 4
Time Shift

That makes for an impressive list of games if you ask me. More good games to come but I didn't want to look to far into the future for good games like Final Fantasy and what not.

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That list is actually not very impressive. It has been over a year since release. Its not like they didn't know the system was coming out before release. Plus I wouldn't use warhawk as an example, that game has so many bugs its horrible. That game was great for about a week until everybody started playing and servers couldn't handle the load. You would think this was a hobby instead of a full time job for these guys. The only exclusive title worth a crap is Heavenly Sword and its nothing but a God of War clone. I mean how many times have they set release dates and then a week before they push it up a month? Oh, again and again. I'm not a fan of billy gate's box but he seems to be a little more innovative and driven. I see trailers for Bioshock, Halo 3, and Gears of War and my mouth waters. Make my mouth water sony.

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Originally posted by gmontalc:

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WHERE ARE THE GAMES !!!!!

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Lets see:
Resistance: Fall of Man
Motorstorm
Heavenly Sword
Need for Speed: Carbon
Oblivion
Warhawk
Ninja Gaiden: Sigma

And coming soon:
Call of Duty 3
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Assasin's Creed
Grand Theft Auto 4
Metal Gear Sold 4: Guns of the Patriots
Army of Two
Vision Gran Turismo
Devil May Cry 4
Time Shift

That makes for an impressive list of games if you ask me. More good games to come but I didn't want to look to far into the future for good games like Final Fantasy and what not.

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That list is actually not very impressive. It has been over a year since release. Its not like they didn't know the system was coming out before release. Plus I wouldn't use warhawk as an example, that game has so many bugs its horrible. That game was great for about a week until everybody started playing and servers couldn't handle the load. You would think this was a hobby instead of a full time job for these guys. The only exclusive title worth a crap is Heavenly Sword and its nothing but a God of War clone. I mean how many times have they set release dates and then a week before they push it up a month? Oh, again and again. I'm not a fan of billy gate's box but he seems to be a little more innovative and driven. I see trailers for Bioshock, Halo 3, and Gears of War and my mouth waters. Make my mouth water sony.

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let me reasure you,bioshock sucks,Halo 3 is weak and Gears is about the best shooter on the 360....

Originally posted by nobrainer:

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@ wetsparks

so there is one good game to justify the price and oblivion has been availably on both the 360 and pc for a long time now! games coming cannot be put in the list as they may suck, relying on a handful of upcoming games is ridiculous!

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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please...tone down the rhetoric...at least half of thos are on the 360 or PC....

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Time will tell on the up coming games of course, but they have promise of being good. Sometimes you look a head and see promise of nothing but crap, these don't fall into that category. Zippy, most good games for the 360 that are any good are coming out on PS3/PC, whats your point? Most developers need to multi-platform to cover the costs of development because M$ and $ony keep thinking gaming is all about polygons and developers don't want to make a game that looks like crap compared to others on the market.

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@ wetsparks

so there is one good game to justify the price and oblivion has been availably on both the 360 and pc for a long time now! games coming cannot be put in the list as they may suck, relying on a handful of upcoming games is ridiculous!

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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please...tone down the rhetoric...at least half of thos are on the 360 or PC....

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Time will tell on the up coming games of course, but they have promise of being good. Sometimes you look a head and see promise of nothing but crap, these don't fall into that category. Zippy, most good games for the 360 that are any good are coming out on PS3/PC, whats your point? Most developers need to multi-platform to cover the costs of development because M$ and $ony keep thinking gaming is all about polygons and developers don't want to make a game that looks like crap compared to others on the market.

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and?
FF is utter crap,MGS aint half bad but then again is MGS so its either as good as you can stand it(MSG is ok), most devs make either cash in titles or release unfinished projects, so between the PS3 and 360 you might have a handful of games thats worth the price of the game but not the console itself.

Frankly I would rather have a bad looking game its its fun to play, something the whole indutry has forgotten games are abotu fun not mindless grinding/button pushing for the appearance there of.

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Time will tell on the up coming games of course, but they have promise of being good. Sometimes you look a head and see promise of nothing but crap, these don't fall into that category. Zippy, most good games for the 360 that are any good are coming out on PS3/PC, whats your point? Most developers need to multi-platform to cover the costs of development because M$ and $ony keep thinking gaming is all about polygons and developers don't want to make a game that looks like crap compared to others on the market.

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if games are going multi format that negates the ps3 especially the new non ps2 b/c version as games on the pc look and play far better and the 360 is still cheaper, not sure if the 360 has any sort of media service but with the pc you are spoilt for choice unlike the ps3 where you will be locked into 1 service, sonys which will probably explode after 5mins due to drm restrictions and will need a licence for everyone in the house hold to listen/watch it.

imo i believe this is the way sony is going in the future to obtain more sales games and media content will be sold like warhawk via psn and locked to one account meaning every person will need to purchase their own copy even in your house making your family pirates for wanting to play it on their account as the DRM will block them. this is where things get ugly as all this content in non transferable so when you sell you ps3 all them games and content you purchased are lost and because of the drm you will not be allowed to move it to another device (none ps3) protecting your investment.

nobrainer
*noogies*
not awake are we Live is a media and game service as well as a MP and stats server.

"Sony to build media service for PS3"

Sony Computer Entertainment !, what happend to all the beautiful things I am able to do with my PS3?.

Sony Computer Entertainment, shame on you. and dumb of me for believing in your empty promises, many sleepless hours, time spended it on long lines, cold December and did purchased not one, but two of your marvelous console, hopping that I would get the best of the best, and yet almost a year later you still are telling me to wait
a little more longer.

Sony CEO Howard Stringer, “We are trying to get our devices to talk to each other efficiently. PlayStation Network should migrate from gadget to gadget. But initially it starts with PlayStation devices and then to TV and beyond. That’s the goal.”

Mr. Stringer, what the f**ing crap are you talking about, I have Sony Ericsson USB, IR + Bluetooth cell phone and PS3 not even recognize that it is there, also Sony Mini Disk Recorder with USB port and PS3 not even wink at it. Also my PSP connects with the PS3 one way only, explain yourself what would be the point for me to watch Playstation Network TV, or so call "the new distribution Channel". I tell you right now it's going to happend a tremendous miracle from your part for me to purchase any service related to Sony Computer Entertainment.

I just want GAMES.... WHERE ARE THE ORIGINAL BLU-RAY GAMES !, THAT HAS BEEN PROMISE

Sometimes I wonder why I even try to talk sense to you Zippy. You think all games are crap because they don't live up to FF6, which you have stated to be the best game ever. I'm not to sure what nobrainer is trying to say in his anti drm rant there. Like he thinks companies want people not to buy their games and will do little to nothing to get money for their product.

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Sometimes I wonder why I even try to talk sense to you Zippy. You think all games are crap because they don't live up to FF6, which you have stated to be the best game ever. I'm not to sure what nobrainer is trying to say in his anti drm rant there. Like he thinks companies want people not to buy their games and will do little to nothing to get money for their product.

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from a RPG stand point FF4 and FF6 are some of the best made yet, why? the games was made to be fun, not a incessant grind fest with boring equipment sets with happen to be 8,X-12,wild arms is as bland and so are most other rpgs not that all suck just most of the better known ones.

FF12 is broken and most want to ignore that....


NB is going on about Sony locking down content to each PS3,I think its a stretch but knowing sony it could happen.

Besides zippy makes no sense, "ZOMG you can not learn zippy sense for he THINKS!!!"

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LOL

Even if Sony locks down the movies you are able to download, all you have to do is run your ps3 through a dvd recorder (the kind made to take home movies from vhs to dvd) and play the movie on your ps3 hard drive, press record on the recorder and it is just like recording something onto vhs like millions used to. The quality won't be as good probably but free is free.

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Even if Sony locks down the movies you are able to download, all you have to do is run your ps3 through a dvd recorder (the kind made to take home movies from vhs to dvd) and play the movie on your ps3 hard drive, press record on the recorder and it is just like recording something onto vhs like millions used to. The quality won't be as good probably but free is free.

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until the HDCP is turned on LOL

Media service for PS3?! Um, wasn't this the promise of the PS2? Supposed to replace every media device in your house, and connect to the internet for game updates and user interaction. I personally don't believe any of this hype, and can't imagine Sony pulling off now what they've been promising for 6 or 7 years.
As was said, the little tiny bit of CRAP they do release will be all DRM fubarred anyways.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM
from a RPG stand point FF4 and FF6 are some of the best made yet, why? the games was made to be fun, not a incessant grind fest with boring equipment sets with happen to be 8,X-12,wild arms is as bland and so are most other rpgs not that all suck just most of the better known ones.

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Good call on that one Zippy. FF4 and FF6 are incredible.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM
from a RPG stand point FF4 and FF6 are some of the best made yet, why? the games was made to be fun, not a incessant grind fest with boring equipment sets with happen to be 8,X-12,wild arms is as bland and so are most other rpgs not that all suck just most of the better known ones.

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Good call on that one Zippy. FF4 and FF6 are incredible.

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its hard telling people what fun is when they enjoy mindless grinding 0-o