'Resident Evil 5' leaked ten days early to P2P

Simply amazing how these somehow mysteriously get leaked. Seems someone from the inside does it purposely.

Congratulations for all who play online before official release date. Your Xbox has just been flagged for the next ban wave!

Originally posted by nervuli:

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Congratulations for all who play online before official release date. Your Xbox has just been flagged for the next ban wave!

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haha yea seriously.

Lesson #2972, wait for abgx360gui to have a verified copy in the data base.

i'm one of the ppl that thought about downloading it but dont like the game even tho the graphics an story seem pretty good, tho the game play didnt seem finished or needed alot of work from what i saw on the demo in my opinion. But like most ppl i do donwload games early to see if it would be worth purchasing because there are alot of crappy games out there that developers rush out half ass and months/years down the line fix the issues or try to and still dont get it rite kinda of like gears of war 2 which piss me off to the point i cant find myself wanting to purchase a crappy half ass game.

Originally posted by nervuli:

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Congratulations for all who play online before official release date. Your Xbox has just been flagged for the next ban wave!

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Just curious but what if you were to just play it single or offline co-op? they'll never know rite?

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Originally posted by nervuli:

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Congratulations for all who play online before official release date. Your Xbox has just been flagged for the next ban wave!

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Just curious but what if you were to just play it single or offline co-op? they'll never know rite?

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If you ever go on Xbox Live (even after you play the game) I'm sure that they have their ways to find out.

Originally posted by nervuli:

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Congratulations for all who play online before official release date. Your Xbox has just been flagged for the next ban wave!

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Maybe that was the plan, release on p2p before hand, ban all the peeps who play it on live.

Im gonna get the game though to play on single player, wont sign in to my live profile though and will remove my memory card so no saves for a week and then I will run through AGBX

it always happens.. all it means is someone in the retail department or blockbuster took it home and ripped it.. nothing new.. just don't play online.. its not that tempting

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Originally posted by nervuli:

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Congratulations for all who play online before official release date. Your Xbox has just been flagged for the next ban wave!

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Just curious but what if you were to just play it single or offline co-op? they'll never know rite?

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Um... no. There are still save states and your gamer profile shows the last games you played and the acheivements you racked up, so its unavoidable. If you download this and choose to play early, then you face the consequences of your actions.

Originally posted by lxfactor:

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it always happens.. all it means is someone in the retail department or blockbuster took it home and ripped it.. nothing new.. just don't play online.. its not that tempting

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Not sure about this. The rental chains typically get the games LATE. So if it has a street date of Tuesday, they get it on Thursday or Friday, and that's the drop shipment from UPS. As for retail chains, the earliest I've ever seen some titles is a week or so out, so it's possible. I know at our store we weren't allowed to break open the box, let alone remove the product from the store!

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As for retail chains, the earliest I've ever seen some titles is a week or so out, so it's possible. I know at our store we weren't allowed to break open the box, let alone remove the product from the store!

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Obviously you wouldn't bust it open and be like, "hey boss, I'm taking on of these home with me!!" You'd be stealing it, which means you would hopefully try to cover your tracks and be stealthy about it.

It was probably a Gamestop employee. Those guys do all types of scumbag moves like selling broken gear, poor quality gamepads with sticky sticks, giving game to their employees then re-shrinkwrapping them and selling them as new. Piracy doesn't seem to far off from something they'd do and not think twice about.

if u played it with no hard drive attached im sure Msoft wouldnt know. but if u got achievements on the game. the hard drive would store the date you got the achievement.

anyway. its not worth it to me to play burned games. the xbox is still too much to buy again just to risk getting the consoles MAC id banned.

Gotta love P2P

is it me or does it look like Chris Redfield has some serious steroid usage issues. the Chris Redfeild i know had girly arms and could not shoot strait.

It's easy to say the movie and music industry is evil, but it's harder with games. Games are pretty expensive though, and it sucks to blow $50 on some crappy game. Hell it even sucks to waste $5 renting some crappy game.

The "Download illegally and play before I buy" thing is usually what I do. Well sometimes. You can really only do that with the PC cause for console games you gotta have already modded your system. Sometimes I know a game's gonna be good so I don't waste time with that. Other times I download and play, and I'll have fun for a week or two, and then be sick of the game so I'll just end up never buying it. That's one of the cases where I probably should have bought the game but didn't.

So far the best thing to work against piracy for me would have to be metacritic. All those aggregate review scores make it easy to see how good or bad a game is. The days of being stuck with 1 magazine that says Superman 64 is a 9 out of 10 are over. This really helps with console games now. It really sucks balls that you have to do research before buying a game, but if you don't do that research you'll end up with a crapper.

Originally posted by bomber991:

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It's easy to say the movie and music industry is evil, but it's harder with games. Games are pretty expensive though, and it sucks to blow $50 on some crappy game. Hell it even sucks to waste $5 renting some crappy game.

The "Download illegally and play before I buy" thing is usually what I do. Well sometimes. You can really only do that with the PC cause for console games you gotta have already modded your system. Sometimes I know a game's gonna be good so I don't waste time with that. Other times I download and play, and I'll have fun for a week or two, and then be sick of the game so I'll just end up never buying it. That's one of the cases where I probably should have bought the game but didn't.

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Youre going to jail

why not just release on PS3 if they are worried about piracy?

Originally posted by DjDanio:

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why not just release on PS3 if they are worried about piracy?

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for the same reason we just don't wage war with the PS3. its not the answer to everything.

If it's a good game then it will sell. If it's another... "I'llplayitforaweekandfugedaboutit" game then it's sales will reflect that.
All the piracy does is help people to figure out the crappy games before they spend $60

Originally posted by SProdigy:

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Um... no. There are still save states and your gamer profile shows the last games you played and the acheivements you racked up, so its unavoidable. If you download this and choose to play early, then you face the consequences of your actions.

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My son played this whilst I was @ work today and I have a save game on my profile, luckily it wasn't connected to the internet. Should I delete my Live ID (ie formst my memory card and start again as I don't wanna get banned?

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Um... no. There are still save states and your gamer profile shows the last games you played and the acheivements you racked up, so its unavoidable. If you download this and choose to play early, then you face the consequences of your actions.

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My son played this whilst I was @ work today and I have a save game on my profile, luckily it wasn't connected to the internet. Should I delete my Live ID (ie formst my memory card and start again as I don't wanna get banned?

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Originally posted by SProdigy:

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Um... no. There are still save states and your gamer profile shows the last games you played and the acheivements you racked up, so its unavoidable. If you download this and choose to play early, then you face the consequences of your actions.

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My son played this whilst I was @ work today and I have a save game on my profile, luckily it wasn't connected to the internet. Should I delete my Live ID (ie formst my memory card and start again as I don't wanna get banned?

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Nope just find anything related to the game and get rid of it. lest he got achievements then yes pretty much.

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Originally posted by SProdigy:

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Um... no. There are still save states and your gamer profile shows the last games you played and the acheivements you racked up, so its unavoidable. If you download this and choose to play early, then you face the consequences of your actions.

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My son played this whilst I was @ work today and I have a save game on my profile, luckily it wasn't connected to the internet. Should I delete my Live ID (ie formst my memory card and start again as I don't wanna get banned?

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It's difficult to say exactly "what" causes a console to be banned, because no one really knows. Typically it happens around the time of a major game release (Halo 3 for example) or a Spring/Fall System Update.

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Originally posted by bomber991:

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It's easy to say the movie and music industry is evil, but it's harder with games. Games are pretty expensive though, and it sucks to blow $50 on some crappy game. Hell it even sucks to waste $5 renting some crappy game.

The "Download illegally and play before I buy" thing is usually what I do. Well sometimes. You can really only do that with the PC cause for console games you gotta have already modded your system. Sometimes I know a game's gonna be good so I don't waste time with that. Other times I download and play, and I'll have fun for a week or two, and then be sick of the game so I'll just end up never buying it. That's one of the cases where I probably should have bought the game but didn't.

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Youre going to jail

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Only if youre in the U.S. :)

I used to be all for pirated stuff as it gave me an oppurtunity to test stuff before I brought it, but there was a headline today in the local newspaper that PROFITS FROM PIRATED MOVIE DVDs, GAMES AND MUSIC HELPS FUND TERRORISM!!! It's the same underworld that sells pirated stuff that's giving money to Taliban and Al Qaeda and what not to continue and propagate their dastardly acts!

I have vowed not to buy/download any pirated stuff, and neither will I allow my parents to do it, as I don't want to lose my sleep over the fact that I helped blow up hundreds somewhere in another part of the world, or even in my own neighbourhood!

Spread the message people, and stop pirating... I don't care about the loss of the big companies, but I will never allow terror outfits to profit in any way!

Originally posted by adityamp:

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I used to be all for pirated stuff as it gave me an oppurtunity to test stuff before I brought it, but there was a headline today in the local newspaper that PROFITS FROM PIRATED MOVIE DVDs, GAMES AND MUSIC HELPS FUND TERRORISM!!! It's the same underworld that sells pirated stuff that's giving money to Taliban and Al Qaeda and what not to continue and propagate their dastardly acts!

I have vowed not to buy/download any pirated stuff, and neither will I allow my parents to do it, as I don't want to lose my sleep over the fact that I helped blow up hundreds somewhere in another part of the world, or even in my own neighbourhood!

Spread the message people, and stop pirating... I don't care about the loss of the big companies, but I will never allow terror outfits to profit in any way!

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ROFLMAO!!!

you forgot to add that downloading games from the net is the major cause of global warming...

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Originally posted by adityamp:

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I used to be all for pirated stuff as it gave me an oppurtunity to test stuff before I brought it, but there was a headline today in the local newspaper that PROFITS FROM PIRATED MOVIE DVDs, GAMES AND MUSIC HELPS FUND TERRORISM!!! It's the same underworld that sells pirated stuff that's giving money to Taliban and Al Qaeda and what not to continue and propagate their dastardly acts!

I have vowed not to buy/download any pirated stuff, and neither will I allow my parents to do it, as I don't want to lose my sleep over the fact that I helped blow up hundreds somewhere in another part of the world, or even in my own neighbourhood!

Spread the message people, and stop pirating... I don't care about the loss of the big companies, but I will never allow terror outfits to profit in any way!

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ROFLMAO!!!

you forgot to add that downloading games from the net is the major cause of global warming...

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Erm... I didn't say piracy is the only or major cause of terrorism... I am only saying that it is one of the many nefarious ways terrorists get their $$$ continue their criminal acts, and I don't want to encourage it in way, however small. I am aware that there are worse things like drug and human trafficking, and I will try in any small way I can to stop that too, but my only point is that piracy is not a trivial thing as many may claim/believe, but that piracy is bad enough coz it funds terrorism...

Originally posted by adityamp:

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I used to be all for pirated stuff as it gave me an oppurtunity to test stuff before I brought it, but there was a headline today in the local newspaper that PROFITS FROM PIRATED MOVIE DVDs, GAMES AND MUSIC HELPS FUND TERRORISM!!! It's the same underworld that sells pirated stuff that's giving money to Taliban and Al Qaeda and what not to continue and propagate their dastardly acts!

I have vowed not to buy/download any pirated stuff, and neither will I allow my parents to do it, as I don't want to lose my sleep over the fact that I helped blow up hundreds somewhere in another part of the world, or even in my own neighbourhood!

Spread the message people, and stop pirating... I don't care about the loss of the big companies, but I will never allow terror outfits to profit in any way!

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LOL
I wonder what the new adjective will be that we will rage war with?!?
:-?
But in all seriousness, the sad truth is the cia funded al qaeda to attack russia, so yeah paying your taxes helped fund terrorists.
So yeah don't worry about pirating, worry more about those pesky taxes. They are doing way more harm LOL :P

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They are doing way more harm LOL :P

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Wrong. They were doing way more harm. Now, the deed is done. There is no point crying on the past. At present, the question is not who funded Al Qaeda then, but it is that who is funding them now, and the answer is that pirates are one of them...

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Originally posted by adityamp:

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I used to be all for pirated stuff as it gave me an oppurtunity to test stuff before I brought it, but there was a headline today in the local newspaper that PROFITS FROM PIRATED MOVIE DVDs, GAMES AND MUSIC HELPS FUND TERRORISM!!! It's the same underworld that sells pirated stuff that's giving money to Taliban and Al Qaeda and what not to continue and propagate their dastardly acts!

I have vowed not to buy/download any pirated stuff, and neither will I allow my parents to do it, as I don't want to lose my sleep over the fact that I helped blow up hundreds somewhere in another part of the world, or even in my own neighbourhood!

Spread the message people, and stop pirating... I don't care about the loss of the big companies, but I will never allow terror outfits to profit in any way!

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ROFLMAO!!!

you forgot to add that downloading games from the net is the major cause of global warming...

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Erm... I didn't say piracy is the only or major cause of terrorism... I am only saying that it is one of the many nefarious ways terrorists get their $$$ continue their criminal acts, and I don't want to encourage it in way, however small. I am aware that there are worse things like drug and human trafficking, and I will try in any small way I can to stop that too, but my only point is that piracy is not a trivial thing as many may claim/believe, but that piracy is bad enough coz it funds terrorism...

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Dude.... seriously, you seem like a very nice person but just stop for a second and think.... how? How can "Pirating" a video game fund terrorists? You are not paying for that game....so no money is going to them, don't get me wrong they could make some money from ads on a site or something but it's not exactly hidden knowledge what thepiratebay makes and it's not all that much i mean you need millions of dollars to run operations like that. Which bin laden already has, he is Saudi royalty. Many of those groups get their money from government organizations to either stop killing or start killing, ya dig? They don't make lots of money from drugs, drug lords do. Pharmaceutically companies do. Now i'm not trying to say i'm 100% right here but i just find it very hard to believe that pirating funds terrorists.

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Originally posted by adityamp:

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I used to be all for pirated stuff as it gave me an oppurtunity to test stuff before I brought it, but there was a headline today in the local newspaper that PROFITS FROM PIRATED MOVIE DVDs, GAMES AND MUSIC HELPS FUND TERRORISM!!! It's the same underworld that sells pirated stuff that's giving money to Taliban and Al Qaeda and what not to continue and propagate their dastardly acts!

I have vowed not to buy/download any pirated stuff, and neither will I allow my parents to do it, as I don't want to lose my sleep over the fact that I helped blow up hundreds somewhere in another part of the world, or even in my own neighbourhood!

Spread the message people, and stop pirating... I don't care about the loss of the big companies, but I will never allow terror outfits to profit in any way!

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ROFLMAO!!!

you forgot to add that downloading games from the net is the major cause of global warming...

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Erm... I didn't say piracy is the only or major cause of terrorism... I am only saying that it is one of the many nefarious ways terrorists get their $$$ continue their criminal acts, and I don't want to encourage it in way, however small. I am aware that there are worse things like drug and human trafficking, and I will try in any small way I can to stop that too, but my only point is that piracy is not a trivial thing as many may claim/believe, but that piracy is bad enough coz it funds terrorism...

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Dude.... seriously, you seem like a very nice person but just stop for a second and think.... how? How can "Pirating" a video game fund terrorists? You are not paying for that game....so no money is going to them, don't get me wrong they could make some money from ads on a site or something but it's not exactly hidden knowledge what thepiratebay makes and it's not all that much i mean you need millions of dollars to run operations like that. Which bin laden already has, he is Saudi royalty. Many of those groups get their money from government organizations to either stop killing or start killing, ya dig? They don't make lots of money from drugs, drug lords do. Pharmaceutically companies do. Now i'm not trying to say i'm 100% right here but i just find it very hard to believe that pirating funds terrorists.

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My dear friend, neither would I say you are 100% wrong... you are definitely right that pirated games and drugs alone can't fund oppression and murder, and you are also right that drug lords make most of the money, and also that Laden has all he wants already... but do you remember one of those ads asking you to donate for a cause? Most of them say: "Even a single dollar makes a difference, don't hesitate that your donation is too small" or something like that; same logic here. If a criminal gains even a cent out of every illegal download or click on his ads or whatever, we are talking about hundreds of millions of cents, and a portion of that money is somehow finding a way into terrorists' bank accounts; this logic works in the reverse way too: You buying a bar of soap today yields your government a cent or two, and that money may be used to buy a nut or bolt for building an M-40 for a soldier... do you get me?

So why at all, should we even allow that much to filter out into these retards' hands, is my opinion...

Agreed :D
Good points made; some money does make more of an impact then no money. However, i'm afraid the ends don't justify the means to me. Currently all the information i have seen on the subject is all theory and there is no real money tracking from account to account, or hell even terrorist links from torrent sites or p2p sites or what have you. Truth be told i don't really "pirate" much of anything these days, was fun when i was young but now that i actually have the money to pay i usually just read reviews and what not and then come to my purchasing conclusions. Don't get me wrong though you do bring up a very interesting point, the free software movement might have come into corrupting hands. The real question i have at this point is how to keep the movement going without funding any sort of discriminating faction? Is it as simple as just using piratebay? Using firefox to stop third party ads from loading? If you are correct in what you are saying then it really wouldn't be held to just pirating. pRon used to be the most viewed thing on the internet now that has been switched to social networking sites. Realistically they would be the ones holding all the cards on this sort of money making venture.
All i'm getting down to is that yes terrorist movements can be very dangerous, but perhaps we as internet users should be more aware of our surroundings we could be funding things we dislike or even hate. Perhaps there is a much larger picture at hand here.

I am not aware of a solution yet :(

Ideally in a utopian world, one wave of the wand must convince all people to stop pirating, stop child pr0n, and hell, even terrorism! But alas...

I am sure there must be a solution, and one of the best I can come up with is "total transparency". Every account, every activity, and every movement of every single penny in the world must be trackable by everyone, or atleast everyone that matters (presidents, cops) - we already have the computing power, we only don't have the political will...

Now if total transparency comes into effect, one can easily track how so-and-so got the money to buy a kilogramme of RDX or whatever hellish stuff he used to make the bomb he blasted in so-and-so place. Now, it will be easy as butter to track backwards-ly how and where the money originated, and the culprit can be acted upon accordingly!

One of the prime reasons why anyone can't prove the theory I was talking about is that you can't really track where and how the money came from, so transparency can help... is what I feel...

Agreed that would help/fix the problem at hand however i think it would most likely end up being used for evil. Well as long as humans were in charge of it, or things that could gain from exploiting it. Or maybe if the data couldn't be used in any sort of court that might just fix it entirely, then the data could be found from other sources. hum... but anyway this reminded me of a show i saw last night on netflix. I'll make a short version here hehehe, so this guy was making fake documents and was a afraid of getting caught so he made some pipe bombs and killed all the people that could tell the police about what he had done. He also bombed himself it is unknown if he was attempting suicide or if he wanted to make it look like he was part of the victims. All beside the point though, they police started checking local stores to see if anyone had bought all the materials to make pipe bombs. They ended up finding one dead link to the guy who bombed himself because he had bought all the supplies from there. But the interesting part was he wasn't the only one who had bought all the needed supplies to make these type of pipe bombs there were others quite a few in fact. LOL it was just really interesting and made me wonder how often this sort of thing happens lol. But really my friend you have nothing to worry about. Think about any country that has been invaded or has serious problems with these sorts of violent groups, then compare them to what we have here in america. No one wants to invade america because we all have the right to carry arms and are known to be very violent. Is that true of course not we are not all like that at all but it's how the world views us. Thats not to say that very very violent, and very very organized groups don't exist here in america. The best these groups can do is blow them selves up. Which to me is not anywhere near threating or impressive. It's a last ditch effort to scare the people who are winning, and it has never worked. It frightens the few but angers the many. They slit their own throats by attacking america and have set culture relations back who knows how far. I know people from that area of the world who claim to be mexican to avoid the hate that exists in this country for them. I am not telling any of this to say look the other way, be sympathetic, or any of the sort, everyone has to make their bones in this world, but don't be worried be vigilant, and proactive like you are and we will all make it through this fine. Besides how long will they last before walmart and McDonalds takes them over. LOL Honestly i wish them the best of luck the American lifestyle is a very seductive mistress that few if any countries can escape from.

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Agreed that would help/fix the problem at hand however i think it would most likely end up being used for evil. Well as long as humans were in charge of it, or things that could gain from exploiting it. Or maybe if the data couldn't be used in any sort of court that might just fix it entirely, then the data could be found from other sources.

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You could put an artificial intelligence in place that can stop exploitation and only provide data when needed...

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Think about any country that has been invaded or has serious problems with these sorts of violent groups, then compare them to what we have here in america. No one wants to invade america because we all have the right to carry arms and are known to be very violent. Is that true of course not we are not all like that at all but it's how the world views us.

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Violent Islamists who pervert Quran to make it imply to their mad causes, millions of them, want to attack America as we type :)

And no matter how tough you are, what can really stop terrorism is some common sense in people and bravery to stand up for themselves, because no matter how tough you are, terrorists work by corrupting people from the "inside"... they may try and take advantage of the violent streak you mentioned of, by twisting it in an unnatural way!

Yeah true they do "talk" an awful lot but last time i checked we were over in their country killing, not them in ours :P
Like any other religious "holy war" It's done for power. The people that actually do the fighting have nothing to really live for anyway. Think about it if jesus came up to you tomorrow and said hey i need you to blow yourself up down town, i don't know about you but i would say uhhh... but the new resident evil is comin out :( how about next year i'm sure all the games next year will totally suck. LOL just my theory on it i just think people are more likely to complain when there is nothing to stop them from complaining people are more likely to go kill themselves for some self-richeous cause when they don't really have anything going for em.

I second the opinion that terrorists are a bunch of losers :)

Go buy yourselves gaming consoles, terrorists! You can bomb, kill and smash virtual stuff at will and yet we Indians won't bay for your blood anymore!

But please, don't pirate!

awesome :D

I don't download games anyway, it's against my moral code. I can't justify not paying the producers of the game because eventually there will be no money left for them unless someone puts ads in the actual game. adityamp is spreading dogma. I can simply rant and rave that p2p is funding cannibal ninjas with no basis and see how many people believe me. P2P funds no one, but the site admins... and the last time I checked out mininova, there was a Domino's Pizza ad. Is Domino's funding terrorism too?

P2P will be blocked eventually. Pirate bay is on trial. ISPs are testing bandwidth limits. Mr. Obama gave the Napster prosecution lawyer the head of the Dept. of Justice, and his vice president has constructed some rather draconian anti-copyright bills. Maybe it WILL be Obama who stops terrorism once and for all, who knows?

Originally posted by edsrouter:

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I don't download games anyway, it's against my moral code. I can't justify not paying the producers of the game because eventually there will be no money left for them unless someone puts ads in the actual game. adityamp is spreading dogma. I can simply rant and rave that p2p is funding cannibal ninjas with no basis and see how many people believe me. P2P funds no one, but the site admins... and the last time I checked out mininova, there was a Domino's Pizza ad. Is Domino's funding terrorism too?

P2P will be blocked eventually. Pirate bay is on trial. ISPs are testing bandwidth limits. Mr. Obama gave the Napster prosecution lawyer the head of the Dept. of Justice, and his vice president has constructed some rather draconian anti-copyright bills. Maybe it WILL be Obama who stops terrorism once and for all, who knows?

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P2P will never be blocked, Peer to Peer is exactly what it is, me to you you to me so long as the are two functioning client computers on a cable there will always be peer2peer. Tracker sites as there called such as TPB just add's ip's of people that have the file or need the file and update it in real time.

Whether or not Tracker sites have Ads, doesn't mean they get rich of of ads. if that where the case don't you think the admin's here would be rolling in money. they use the ads to alleviate the cost of there host or help hosting costs.

to update track and assist you in getting the best possible speed is what trackers are for, they host nothing but updating a single file to include 100 more ip's in real time is something that is not easily done especially when one tracker contains millions of the said file.

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I don't download games anyway, it's against my moral code. I can't justify not paying the producers of the game because eventually there will be no money left for them unless someone puts ads in the actual game. adityamp is spreading dogma. I can simply rant and rave that p2p is funding cannibal ninjas with no basis and see how many people believe me. P2P funds no one, but the site admins... and the last time I checked out mininova, there was a Domino's Pizza ad. Is Domino's funding terrorism too?

P2P will be blocked eventually. Pirate bay is on trial. ISPs are testing bandwidth limits. Mr. Obama gave the Napster prosecution lawyer the head of the Dept. of Justice, and his vice president has constructed some rather draconian anti-copyright bills. Maybe it WILL be Obama who stops terrorism once and for all, who knows?

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It doesn't matter on what basis you won't support p2p, all that matters is that you wouldn't pirate stuff, and that's good enough :)

I just have to say, if you download this game, you had better do the Resident Evil team justice by buying the game also. The only way big titles like this succeed is not to be taken advantage of.
Thanks

Flash news: adityamp is a complete WMD, haha lol dont belive everything you read.

And as for stopping terrorist... dream on, seriously for as long as they has been civilisation there has been one group that wanted or did harm to another. Get rid of one and the void that left creates a vacume thats quickly filled by another. As goes the old saying its better the devil you know, than the devil you dont.

And as for the pirate bay, maybe they will get convicted, but so far half the charges were thrown out by day 2 and they said they would fight it with a long drawn out appeal if they lose, so it could go on for years.

Seriously go get a cup of coffee and wake up.

As for not supporting terroists, i would take good look around you and google rendition.

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