Apple Mac app store coming next week?

Good...it is about time they killed off the Mac.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Good...it is about time they killed off the Mac.

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And Killerbug gets today's prize for reading comprehension. Please take a bow as you are rewarded for your failure to be able to read and understand simple English. The article is about an online application store for the Mac platform. It has nothing to do with killing off the Mac!

Originally posted by gschwab777:

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Good...it is about time they killed off the Mac.

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And Killerbug gets today's prize for reading comprehension. Please take a bow as you are rewarded for your failure to be able to read and understand simple English. The article is about an online application store for the Mac platform. It has nothing to do with killing off the Mac!

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Errr I think you missed his point but I'm sure he'll clear it up...LOL

If you don't see, I will explain.

The Mac has three classes of users that compose about 99% of the customer base between them. The first class is the artist segment that thinks Mac is better than PC because it has Adobe products. The second class is the ultra-novice that knows Mac is more basic, and they want that...they want a computer that is like an overgrown smartphone. The third class is the loyalists...the apple addicts that would buy a pile of horse dung if someone stamped an apple logo on it.

The second class, the people that just want an overgrown iPhone...those people are already leaving. Most are going to the iPad or the Samsung (or they will go there when it again comes time to buy a new computer).

The third class will always be there, buy they will always buy anything apple makes; so there is no need to make products designed for them. Just keep stamping that logo and they will buy anything.

The first class (the artists who don't know any better) are the only reason to keep making macs, and apple is about to alienate them in a big way.

When apple starts an app store, you can be reasonably sure that they will soon implement measures to prevent people from installing apps that did not come from that app store (and thus did not make any money for apple). Steve Jobs will block all adobe products just like in the iStore, and now the artists are forced to go to PC to get the adobe apps that they use.

Thus, the only people buying macs will be loyalists (can easily be satisfied by making the iPhone in 20 different colors...they will spend their Mac money on collecting all the colors) and a few uninformed artists who will be very disappointed to find that you can't even install photoshop. At that point, there is no more reason to keep the Mac line going.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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If you don't see, I will explain.

The Mac has three classes of users that compose about 99% of the customer base between them. The first class is the artist segment that thinks Mac is better than PC because it has Adobe products. The second class is the ultra-novice that knows Mac is more basic, and they want that...they want a computer that is like an overgrown smartphone. The third class is the loyalists...the apple addicts that would buy a pile of horse dung if someone stamped an apple logo on it.

The second class, the people that just want an overgrown iPhone...those people are already leaving. Most are going to the iPad or the Samsung (or they will go there when it again comes time to buy a new computer).

The third class will always be there, buy they will always buy anything apple makes; so there is no need to make products designed for them. Just keep stamping that logo and they will buy anything.

The first class (the artists who don't know any better) are the only reason to keep making macs, and apple is about to alienate them in a big way.

When apple starts an app store, you can be reasonably sure that they will soon implement measures to prevent people from installing apps that did not come from that app store (and thus did not make any money for apple). Steve Jobs will block all adobe products just like in the iStore, and now the artists are forced to go to PC to get the adobe apps that they use.

Thus, the only people buying macs will be loyalists (can easily be satisfied by making the iPhone in 20 different colors...they will spend their Mac money on collecting all the colors) and a few uninformed artists who will be very disappointed to find that you can't even install photoshop. At that point, there is no more reason to keep the Mac line going.

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Well Said. I however think there are people like me that make up another class that know that an Apple product be it a computer or a gadget is a tool and if that tool fits the person's needs then purchase and use it. I am not a fan of many of Apple's business practices or methods but I personally own an iPhone because it fit my needs which were offering me a media smartphone compatible with my car's stereo system. It has limitations that I do not like but there is little I can do to change that so I accept it. I have a Macbook that I use for work as I support MacOS, Windows, and Linux in my work life and need to have access to the OS and since Apple does not allow the use of their OS on non Apple Branded hardware I use a Macbook but only use MacOS when it is needed for support or mac compatibility like in their iSoftware.

I too think that Apple has lost touch with what their customers want and rarely listen to them but basically find ways to market and make people think that what Apple offers is all they need.

As far as the artists go I can honestly say there is little to no difference in those Applications on either platform in this day and age. I come from graphic design background where in high school and college I worked exclusively on Macs and MacOS in school and back then there was a functional difference. Today that difference is practically non-existent and if Apple continues it's close minded ways they will alienate Adobe and other application developers and they will become a gadget company which is where they seem to be focusing their energy on anyway for the reason you stated above they can can get people to flock in droves to purchase the latest shiny Apple gadget by marketing it as magical.

FYI...you don't have to pay $1000 to apple for a notebook that is nothing but a $400 PC with macOS; modern macs are just PCs; so you can install MacOS on most any PC just be modifying a few files. Sure, Apple makes sure that no one can sell these, but you can do it yourself safely. There was a time when apple had unique hardware and could at least claim to be different in some way other than the crummy OS...this is no longer the case.

I love how your only need is a cell phone that works with your car radio, yet somehow an android won't work. My Droid works great with my car radio...and the setup is so easy that my dad was able to setup his droid in his truck without calling me!

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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FYI...you don't have to pay $1000 to apple for a notebook that is nothing but a $400 PC with macOS; modern macs are just PCs; so you can install MacOS on most any PC just be modifying a few files. Sure, Apple makes sure that no one can sell these, but you can do it yourself safely. There was a time when apple had unique hardware and could at least claim to be different in some way other than the crummy OS...this is no longer the case.

I love how your only need is a cell phone that works with your car radio, yet somehow an android won't work. My Droid works great with my car radio...and the setup is so easy that my dad was able to setup his droid in his truck without calling me!

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I know you can make a Hackintosh as I have done it before but to be legal and legit you have to buy Apple Branded Hardware. I have taken apart quite a few Macs so I know what is inside them and they do use a bit higher quality hardware than what some OEMs offer specifically when it comes to the motherboard. Other than that they are pretty much the same. I do not need a Mac history lesson as I have been using them since they had motorola processors in them.


As far as the cell phone and car radio thing goes I could use just about any music phone or device if I use the AUX jack but then I would have to control the device with the controls on the device. My car only has an adapter for iPods and then I can control them through the radio controls on the stereo an steering wheel. When I got my first iPhone Android was not even around yet. I liked the iPhone for the most part and I did not want to switch cell phone carriers and the Android Platform does not impress me all that much so I upgraded to the iPhone 4. That could change in the future who knows.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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If you don't see, I will explain.

The Mac has three classes of users that compose about 99% of the customer base between them. The first class is the artist segment that thinks Mac is better than PC because it has Adobe products. The second class is the ultra-novice that knows Mac is more basic, and they want that...they want a computer that is like an overgrown smartphone. The third class is the loyalists...the apple addicts that would buy a pile of horse dung if someone stamped an apple logo on it.

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No let me explain,

As a professional artist, I can afford to have a better computer without all the complications of Windows on a crap HP platform.

I just want to do work, I don't want to waste time fixing the system.

One thing I can't sand is some one who pretends to know something they don't.

Consider yourself corrected.

Originally posted by robertmro:

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Originally posted by KillerBug:

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If you don't see, I will explain.

The Mac has three classes of users that compose about 99% of the customer base between them. The first class is the artist segment that thinks Mac is better than PC because it has Adobe products. The second class is the ultra-novice that knows Mac is more basic, and they want that...they want a computer that is like an overgrown smartphone. The third class is the loyalists...the apple addicts that would buy a pile of horse dung if someone stamped an apple logo on it.

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No let me explain,

As a professional artist, I can afford to have a better computer without all the complications of Windows on a crap HP platform.

I just want to do work, I don't want to waste time fixing the system.

One thing I can't sand is some one who pretends to know something they don't.

Consider yourself corrected.

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You can't stand people that pretend they know something they don't? How does it feel to not be able to stand yourself?

You may view the Mac as a better computer that is not complicated and you are entitled to your opinion but that is all it is. I may not be a professional artists as I chose to go a different direction after taking Graphic Design Classes in High School and in college (Done on a Mac I might add) but Windows is not perfect but it does work and work well and when there is a problem it is usually easier to fix or find information on how to fix it. I work in IT now and support both Macs and PCs every day of my work life and repair and work on both in my personal life too. I even use a Macbook that work bought me that I have bootcamped with Windows because I have to have access to both Mac OS and Windows. So you should consider yourself corrected.

Good Day To You!

I guess I'll throw in my two cents...

I own a MacBook
I built my own desktop that runs both Linux (Ubuntu) and Windows 7

I must say being in college and doing school work I love the MacBook because it IS easy. Everything is organized quite nicely and everything really does work.
IMO, I feel like the MacBook is on par with why I love Blackberry phones over Andriod phones; RIM makes the phone to work with the OS, so I feel as though everything works quite well.
It just seems to me that I don't have issues with hardware or drivers when using everything my MacBook as to offer, while I feel like I'm jumping through hoops to help my friends out to get theirs to work.

That's just my take on it. The iStore could be pretty good also, because it makes it easier to find the App you would need, rather than searching the internet for one. On the down side of course people could be paying for Apps Apple gives out, while ignoring the free alternatives that can be found online.
I just hope KillerBug is wrong on the whole ability to block programs not available in the App store, but I hope I can say with much certainty that that's a horrible business practice and isn't practical at all on a personal computer (while it does work as a business practice on phones, just saying).


On another note, Final Cut Pro. I think that's all I need to say there.