Windows Blue will include boot to desktop option

We'll see how this works out.

Windows 8 is complete crap. I was actually one of the few that liked Vista but this is just a complete fail. What idiot came up with the idea of nixing the Start button?? The whole interface adds about 10-20 seconds per task and that really adds up if you think of all the people using it for 1 day. This is a total letdown by Microsoft and it shows with their sales figures. They are really going to have to pull a hail mary to save this one, but I doubt it.....on to Windows 9

Couldn't see this coming (wink).

The modern UI is still less then half the problem? The app store model introduced adds more fail than just the UI. As a developer why must i be forced to share 30% of my revenue to MS? I could understand 2% or 3%, then I think most people could live with. Windows 8 fails in my mind because the change takes a HUGE bite out of anything I would desire to build or release that uses the modern interface, as much of a piece of crap it really is.

Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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As a developer why must i be forced to share 30% of my revenue to MS?

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Same amount Apple, Google and Facebook charge. They are just falling in line with the rest of em.

As an MS.Net developer it doesnt tick me off as much as I expected though the Start button replacement does cause some frustration because the amount of mouse navigation on a non touch screen PC is huge.

Yeah, this isn't the issue...
I mean, that's how you articulate the problem...
"I hate the start screen." or "Where's my start button?"
But the actual problem is neither of those. It's the way you can only run full screen or docked to the side. It's the full screen configuration screens. It's the entire UI, not just the stupid start screen.
If the start screen was the only issue I wouldn't care.

Originally posted by ThePastor:

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Yeah, this isn't the issue...
I mean, that's how you articulate the problem...
"I hate the start screen." or "Where's my start button?"
But the actual problem is neither of those. It's the way you can only run full screen or docked to the side. It's the full screen configuration screens. It's the entire UI, not just the stupid start screen.
If the start screen was the only issue I wouldn't care.

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Yeah, I have to say the UI itself is more of the real problem then just the menu. It's Vista all over again. I'll wait for Windows 9.

Originally posted by Red_Forman:

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Originally posted by ThePastor:

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Yeah, this isn't the issue...
I mean, that's how you articulate the problem...
"I hate the start screen." or "Where's my start button?"
But the actual problem is neither of those. It's the way you can only run full screen or docked to the side. It's the full screen configuration screens. It's the entire UI, not just the stupid start screen.
If the start screen was the only issue I wouldn't care.

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Yeah, I have to say the UI itself is more of the real problem then just the menu. It's Vista all over again. I'll wait for Windows 9.

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Well I think we can all agree MS keeps with tradition that you don't want every other version of the OS. Unfortunately for me, I believe the path taken will remain and not go back to the older way, even as much as all of us might like it to. My reasoning is it seems MS is trying to develop one single OS and/or operating environment that works seamlessly and consistently across all devices. A nice goal that I think is unobtainable, or as i'd say "When you try to become all things to everyone, you quickly become nothing for everyone." MS is demonstrating this very well.

Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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Originally posted by Red_Forman:

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Originally posted by ThePastor:

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YeWhen you try to become all things to everyone, you quickly become nothing for everyone." h, this isn't the issue...
I mean, that's how you articulate the problem...
"I hate the start screen." or "Where's my start button?"
But the actual problem is neither of those. It's the way you can only run full screen or docked to the side. It's the full screen configuration screens. It's the entire UI, not just the stupid start screen.
If the start screen was the only issue I wouldn't care.

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Yeah, I have to say the UI itself is more of the real problem then just the menu. It's Vista all over again. I'll wait for Windows 9.

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Well I think we can all agree MS keeps with tradition that you don't want every other version of the OS. Unfortunately for me, I believe the path taken will remain and not go back to the older way, even as much as all of us might like it to. My reasoning is it seems MS is trying to develop one single OS and/or operating environment that works seamlessly and consistently across all devices. A nice goal that I think is unobtainable, or as i'd say "When you try to become all things to everyone, you quickly become nothing for everyone." MS is demonstrating this very well.

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Well said just one word change would make it perfect "

Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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Originally posted by Red_Forman:

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Originally posted by ThePastor:

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Yeah, this isn't the issue...
I mean, that's how you articulate the problem...
"I hate the start screen." or "Where's my start button?"
But the actual problem is neither of those. It's the way you can only run full screen or docked to the side. It's the full screen configuration screens. It's the entire UI, not just the stupid start screen.
If the start screen was the only issue I wouldn't care.

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Yeah, I have to say the UI itself is more of the real problem then just the menu. It's Vista all over again. I'll wait for Windows 9.

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Well I think we can all agree MS keeps with tradition that you don't want every other version of the OS. Unfortunately for me, I believe the path taken will remain and not go back to the older way, even as much as all of us might like it to. My reasoning is it seems MS is trying to develop one single OS and/or operating environment that works seamlessly and consistently across all devices. A nice goal that I think is unobtainable, or as i'd say "When you try to become all things to everyone, you quickly become nothing for everyone." MS is demonstrating this very well.

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Well said, one word change would make it perfect "When you try to become all things to everyone, you quickly become nothing for anyone."

And ThePastor you would be very surprised by how much that extra navigating you have to do really affects you. That extra 10-20 seconds made me completely dump the OS. It's basically Windows 7 with a tiled start screen, so with that little magic button I would have kept it. I don't use those other features you guys are discussing so it really was just the aggravation

Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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Originally posted by Red_Forman:

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Originally posted by ThePastor:

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Yeah, this isn't the issue...
I mean, that's how you articulate the problem...
"I hate the start screen." or "Where's my start button?"
But the actual problem is neither of those. It's the way you can only run full screen or docked to the side. It's the full screen configuration screens. It's the entire UI, not just the stupid start screen.
If the start screen was the only issue I wouldn't care.

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Yeah, I have to say the UI itself is more of the real problem then just the menu. It's Vista all over again. I'll wait for Windows 9.

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Well I think we can all agree MS keeps with tradition that you don't want every other version of the OS. Unfortunately for me, I believe the path taken will remain and not go back to the older way, even as much as all of us might like it to. My reasoning is it seems MS is trying to develop one single OS and/or operating environment that works seamlessly and consistently across all devices. A nice goal that I think is unobtainable, or as i'd say "When you try to become all things to everyone, you quickly become nothing for everyone." MS is demonstrating this very well.

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They certainly want a piece of the "app" pie. Heh.

Originally posted by Bigwillyz:

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Windows 8 is complete crap. I was actually one of the few that liked Vista but this is just a complete fail. What idiot came up with the idea of nixing the Start button?? The whole interface adds about 10-20 seconds per task and that really adds up if you think of all the people using it for 1 day. This is a total letdown by Microsoft and it shows with their sales figures. They are really going to have to pull a hail mary to save this one, but I doubt it.....on to Windows 9

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You should now be stripped from all decision making abilities and banned from commenting on here for seven years because of that RIDICULOUS statement "I was actually one of the few that liked Vista but...."

Just sayin'.............no one will believe a thing you say going forward now that you admitted that.

As for "What idiot came up with the idea of nixing the Start button?"..................Perhaps the same idiot that came up with it. Change is good! Learn, ADAPT, conquer and life might be a bit more interesting to you.

Sheeple don't like change (you included) and bitch and bitch until things go back. That's called 'closed-mindedness' and 'stubbornness'..............Yeah.........that's what technology is all about....stagnation.............NOT!

Originally posted by hearme0:

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Originally posted by Bigwillyz:

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Windows 8 is complete crap. I was actually one of the few that liked Vista but this is just a complete fail. What idiot came up with the idea of nixing the Start button?? The whole interface adds about 10-20 seconds per task and that really adds up if you think of all the people using it for 1 day. This is a total letdown by Microsoft and it shows with their sales figures. They are really going to have to pull a hail mary to save this one, but I doubt it.....on to Windows 9

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You should now be stripped from all decision making abilities and banned from commenting on here for seven years because of that RIDICULOUS statement "I was actually one of the few that liked Vista but...."

Just sayin'.............no one will believe a thing you say going forward now that you admitted that.

As for "What idiot came up with the idea of nixing the Start button?"..................Perhaps the same idiot that came up with it. Change is good! Learn, ADAPT, conquer and life might be a bit more interesting to you.

Sheeple don't like change (you included) and bitch and bitch until things go back. That's called 'closed-mindedness' and 'stubbornness'..............Yeah.........that's what technology is all about....stagnation.............NOT!

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Whoever approved Windows 8 without a boot to desktop feature should be fired. What a monumentally arrogant and stupid move by Microsoft.

Originally posted by Bigwillyz:

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Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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Originally posted by Red_Forman:

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Originally posted by ThePastor:

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YeWhen you try to become all things to everyone, you quickly become nothing for everyone." h, this isn't the issue...
I mean, that's how you articulate the problem...
"I hate the start screen." or "Where's my start button?"
But the actual problem is neither of those. It's the way you can only run full screen or docked to the side. It's the full screen configuration screens. It's the entire UI, not just the stupid start screen.
If the start screen was the only issue I wouldn't care.

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Yeah, I have to say the UI itself is more of the real problem then just the menu. It's Vista all over again. I'll wait for Windows 9.

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Well I think we can all agree MS keeps with tradition that you don't want every other version of the OS. Unfortunately for me, I believe the path taken will remain and not go back to the older way, even as much as all of us might like it to. My reasoning is it seems MS is trying to develop one single OS and/or operating environment that works seamlessly and consistently across all devices. A nice goal that I think is unobtainable, or as i'd say "When you try to become all things to everyone, you quickly become nothing for everyone." MS is demonstrating this very well.

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Well said just one word change would make it perfect "

Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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Originally posted by Red_Forman:

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Originally posted by ThePastor:

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Yeah, this isn't the issue...
I mean, that's how you articulate the problem...
"I hate the start screen." or "Where's my start button?"
But the actual problem is neither of those. It's the way you can only run full screen or docked to the side. It's the full screen configuration screens. It's the entire UI, not just the stupid start screen.
If the start screen was the only issue I wouldn't care.

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Yeah, I have to say the UI itself is more of the real problem then just the menu. It's Vista all over again. I'll wait for Windows 9.

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Well I think we can all agree MS keeps with tradition that you don't want every other version of the OS. Unfortunately for me, I believe the path taken will remain and not go back to the older way, even as much as all of us might like it to. My reasoning is it seems MS is trying to develop one single OS and/or operating environment that works seamlessly and consistently across all devices. A nice goal that I think is unobtainable, or as i'd say "When you try to become all things to everyone, you quickly become nothing for everyone." MS is demonstrating this very well.

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Well said, one word change would make it perfect "When you try to become all things to everyone, you quickly become nothing for anyone."

And ThePastor you would be very surprised by how much that extra navigating you have to do really affects you. That extra 10-20 seconds made me completely dump the OS. It's basically Windows 7 with a tiled start screen, so with that little magic button I would have kept it. I don't use those other features you guys are discussing so it really was just the aggravation

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You weren't intelligent enough to download one of the many FREE programs (like Classic Shell) that bring back the Start Button and Start Menu to Windows 8?

Originally posted by hearme0:

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You should now be stripped from all decision making abilities and banned from commenting on here for seven years because of that RIDICULOUS statement "I was actually one of the few that liked Vista but...."

Just sayin'.............no one will believe a thing you say going forward now that you admitted that.

As for "What idiot came up with the idea of nixing the Start button?"..................Perhaps the same idiot that came up with it. Change is good! Learn, ADAPT, conquer and life might be a bit more interesting to you.

Sheeple don't like change (you included) and bitch and bitch until things go back. That's called 'closed-mindedness' and 'stubbornness'..............Yeah.........that's what technology is all about....stagnation.............NOT!

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People have personal preferences, since they liked Vista that is his choice, i personally hated it too, while know many that did like it. Just seems rather rude, arrogant and narrow minded to judge others for what they say they like or dislike. It seems hard to take anything you say hearme0 as something meaningful and objective, well at least if they differ from you. Who put you in the seat of authority to say other people can't like or dislike something you don't. So self centered.

Personally, I really like Windows 8. I use the windows key to go from regular desktop to the apps desktop. I just don't see what the gripe is. I didn't have a problem with Vista, either. But, I do like things that are different and techy, too.

Originally posted by hearme0:

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Originally posted by Bigwillyz:

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Windows 8 is complete crap. I was actually one of the few that liked Vista but this is just a complete fail. What idiot came up with the idea of nixing the Start button?? The whole interface adds about 10-20 seconds per task and that really adds up if you think of all the people using it for 1 day. This is a total letdown by Microsoft and it shows with their sales figures. They are really going to have to pull a hail mary to save this one, but I doubt it.....on to Windows 9

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You should now be stripped from all decision making abilities and banned from commenting on here for seven years because of that RIDICULOUS statement"I was actually one of the few that liked Vista but...."

Just sayin'.............no one will believe a thing you say going forward now that you admitted that.

As for "What idiot came up with the idea of nixing the Start button?"..................Perhaps the same idiot that came up with it. Change is good! Learn, ADAPT, conquer and life might be a bit more interesting to you.

Sheeple don't like change (you included) and bitch and bitch until things go back. That's called 'closed-mindedness' and 'stubbornness'..............Yeah.........that's what technology is all about....stagnation.............NOT!

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Wow, let's welcome some assholes to the party..... Statements like that, that have nothing useful to contribute to the conversation make YOU two the ignorant ones. Yeah I liked Vista, why... because my comp could actually run it, so sorry if your little Walmart laptop couldn't. Oh and insulting my intelligence because I didn't want to download a 3rd party start button that should have existed in the 1st place, that's just dumb and answers itself. If I wanted something like that, I would write the program myself because....... oopp wait for it......I'm a developer.
Sheeple huh, that doesn't like change..? I highly doubt that seeing that I get all the new tech when it comes out.
So if you can't be nice or say anything that even remotely has to do with what we are talking about, go troll somewhere else (That is unless you can't go on any other sites being that your mom has Nanny Block on your PC because you still live in the basement)
Have a nice day

Originally posted by Bigwillyz:

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Originally posted by hearme0:

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Originally posted by Bigwillyz:

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Windows 8 is complete crap. I was actually one of the few that liked Vista but this is just a complete fail. What idiot came up with the idea of nixing the Start button?? The whole interface adds about 10-20 seconds per task and that really adds up if you think of all the people using it for 1 day. This is a total letdown by Microsoft and it shows with their sales figures. They are really going to have to pull a hail mary to save this one, but I doubt it.....on to Windows 9

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You should now be stripped from all decision making abilities and banned from commenting on here for seven years because of that RIDICULOUS statement "I was actually one of the few that liked Vista but...."

Just sayin'.............no one will believe a thing you say going forward now that you admitted that.

As for "What idiot came up with the idea of nixing the Start button?"..................Perhaps the same idiot that came up with it. Change is good! Learn, ADAPT, conquer and life might be a bit more interesting to you.

Sheeple don't like change (you included) and bitch and bitch until things go back. That's called 'closed-mindedness' and 'stubbornness'..............Yeah.........that's what technology is all about....stagnation.............NOT!

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Wow, let's welcome some assholes to the party..... Statements like that, that have nothing useful to contribute to the conversation make YOU two the ignorant ones. Yeah I liked Vista, why... because my comp could actually run it, so sorry if your little Walmart laptop couldn't. Oh and insulting my intelligence because I didn't want to download a 3rd party start button that should have existed in the 1st place, that's just dumb and answers itself. If I wanted something like that, I would write the program myself because....... oopp wait for it......I'm a developer.
Sheeple huh, that doesn't like change..? I highly doubt that seeing that I get all the new tech when it comes out.
So if you can't be nice or say anything that even remotely has to do with what we are talking about, go troll somewhere else (That is unless you can't go on any other sites being that your mom has that nanny block on you comp because you still live in the basement)
Have a nice day

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Well said Bigwillyz, i have to agree with your summary of these two self centered righteous know it all.

Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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Originally posted by Bigwillyz:

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Originally posted by hearme0:

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Originally posted by Bigwillyz:

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Windows 8 is complete crap. I was actually one of the few that liked Vista but this is just a complete fail. What idiot came up with the idea of nixing the Start button?? The whole interface adds about 10-20 seconds per task and that really adds up if you think of all the people using it for 1 day. This is a total letdown by Microsoft and it shows with their sales figures. They are really going to have to pull a hail mary to save this one, but I doubt it.....on to Windows 9

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You should now be stripped from all decision making abilities and banned from commenting on here for seven years because of that RIDICULOUS statement "I was actually one of the few that liked Vista but...."

Just sayin'.............no one will believe a thing you say going forward now that you admitted that.

As for "What idiot came up with the idea of nixing the Start button?"..................Perhaps the same idiot that came up with it. Change is good! Learn, ADAPT, conquer and life might be a bit more interesting to you.

Sheeple don't like change (you included) and bitch and bitch until things go back. That's called 'closed-mindedness' and 'stubbornness'..............Yeah.........that's what technology is all about....stagnation.............NOT!

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Wow, let's welcome some assholes to the party..... Statements like that, that have nothing useful to contribute to the conversation make YOU two the ignorant ones. Yeah I liked Vista, why... because my comp could actually run it, so sorry if your little Walmart laptop couldn't. Oh and insulting my intelligence because I didn't want to download a 3rd party start button that should have existed in the 1st place, that's just dumb and answers itself. If I wanted something like that, I would write the program myself because....... oopp wait for it......I'm a developer.
Sheeple huh, that doesn't like change..? I highly doubt that seeing that I get all the new tech when it comes out.
So if you can't be nice or say anything that even remotely has to do with what we are talking about, go troll somewhere else (That is unless you can't go on any other sites being that your mom has that nanny block on you comp because you still live in the basement)
Have a nice day

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Well said Bigwillyz, i have to agree with your summary of these two self centered righteous know it all.

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Thanks man, that's awesome to hear it's not just me.

ill second that big willy.these guys are well known for talking crap before their brain is in gear. change simply for the sake of change seems to attract this kind of tech fanboy i guess.ps,i really didnt mind vista either.

Originally posted by aldan:

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ill second that big willy.these guys are well known for talking crap before their brain is in gear. change simply for the sake of change seems to attract this kind of tech fanboy i guess.ps,i really didnt mind vista either.

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I might suggest you're too kind :) Assuming these guys have a brain to use, or at least one that can engage in a meaningful articulated position. Before being a developer I did tech support for developers. I found the people that knew the least in support to cover over the fact they didn't know anything would argue in a manor exactly as these clueless idiots do.

Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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Originally posted by aldan:

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ill second that big willy.these guys are well known for talking crap before their brain is in gear. change simply for the sake of change seems to attract this kind of tech fanboy i guess.ps,i really didnt mind vista either.

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I might suggest you're too kind :) Assuming these guys have a brain to use, or at least one that can engage in a meaningful articulated position. Before being a developer I did tech support for developers. I found the people that knew the least in support to cover over the fact they didn't know anything would argue in a manor exactly as these clueless idiots do.

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Wow you took the words right out of my mouth, why else would someone act like that. It's those good old internet balls that people grow when online. You also can't forget that everyone online knows everything about everything.

I have to admit. Dissing Vista is not that uncommon. I can't say I've ever liked it. Just the other day I was using my brother's desktop and was wondering what was wrong with it.... checked the OS... yep, it's Fista. Slow as a wet weekend.

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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I have to admit. Dissing Vista is not that uncommon. I can't say I've ever liked it. Just the other day I was using my brother's desktop and was wondering what was wrong with it.... checked the OS... yep, it's Fista. Slow as a wet weekend.

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I think the appeal of Vista came with the look of it. You had to have a ridiculously fast computer to run it but it sure looked good. That's why Windows 7 is so popular, it has the look of Vista and the speed of XP.

Originally posted by Bigwillyz:

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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I have to admit. Dissing Vista is not that uncommon. I can't say I've ever liked it. Just the other day I was using my brother's desktop and was wondering what was wrong with it.... checked the OS... yep, it's Fista. Slow as a wet weekend.

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I think the appeal of Vista came with the look of it. You had to have a ridiculously fast computer to run it but it sure looked good. That's why Windows 7 is so popular, it has the look of Vista and the speed of XP.

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Indeed, I see what your getting at.

Originally posted by Bigwillyz:

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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I have to admit. Dissing Vista is not that uncommon. I can't say I've ever liked it. Just the other day I was using my brother's desktop and was wondering what was wrong with it.... checked the OS... yep, it's Fista. Slow as a wet weekend.

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I think the appeal of Vista came with the look of it. You had to have a ridiculously fast computer to run it but it sure looked good. That's why Windows 7 is so popular, it has the look of Vista and the speed of XP.

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What's irritated the OS's after XP, it seems a number of changed were made in the UI to group, things differently and functionality changed and/or removed altogether. Look at the event viewer, use to be simple and easy use and easy to read all the information needed. While now it seem bloated with new features but interacting with it is clumsy. Other operation I could do from opening a program or property page i could get right into the settings needed, now thing have moved around and often buried within two or three dialog boxes. On reason i'ved liked unix, it has been around for so long and most of all the behavior and operation for existing things never change in newer versions.

I can see people's appeal for the newer OS, but few of my friends will ever dream touching my Thai food at 20 stars, when the restaurant prints on the menu 5 is max isn't for all. We all have our own likes/dislikes. Sadly MS with Win 8 just made it so bad almost no one likes it at all.

Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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Originally posted by Bigwillyz:

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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I have to admit. Dissing Vista is not that uncommon. I can't say I've ever liked it. Just the other day I was using my brother's desktop and was wondering what was wrong with it.... checked the OS... yep, it's Fista. Slow as a wet weekend.

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I think the appeal of Vista came with the look of it. You had to have a ridiculously fast computer to run it but it sure looked good. That's why Windows 7 is so popular, it has the look of Vista and the speed of XP.

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What's irritated the OS's after XP, it seems a number of changed were made in the UI to group, things differently and functionality changed and/or removed altogether. Look at the event viewer, use to be simple and easy use and easy to read all the information needed. While now it seem bloated with new features but interacting with it is clumsy. Other operation I could do from opening a program or property page i could get right into the settings needed, now thing have moved around and often buried within two or three dialog boxes. On reason i'ved liked unix, it has been around for so long and most of all the behavior and operation for existing things never change in newer versions.

I can see people's appeal for the newer OS, but few of my friends will ever dream touching my Thai food at 20 stars, when the restaurant prints on the menu 5 is max isn't for all. We all have our own likes/dislikes. Sadly MS with Win 8 just made it so bad almost no one likes it at all.

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When I was talking about looks of the OS I am talking about the 75% of people (maybe more) that have no idea about computers. They just want to check their email and Facebook, that's all, so they go primarily on looks alone. It's sad that alot of people buying new PCs are stuck with 8, me being a veteran with PCs and hating it, I can't even imagine what they are going to go through

Originally posted by Bigwillyz:

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It's sad that alot of people buying new PCs are stuck with 8, me being a veteran with PCs and hating it, I can't even imagine what they are going to go through

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Oh that's simple. I think it is call buyer's remorse :(

Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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Originally posted by Bigwillyz:

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It's sad that alot of people buying new PCs are stuck with 8, me being a veteran with PCs and hating it, I can't even imagine what they are going to go through

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Oh that's simple. I think it is call buyer's remorse :(

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and since only 3% of the computers around the world is using win 8 there must be a lot of that ( buyer's remorse ) going on !

The Win 8 betas that Microsoft put out gave them a lot of consumer response to what we all thought about Win 8 ( I know i sent feedback reports when i used the betas )and yet they still have not fixed any of it ! Maybe Windows Blue will ... but that remains to be seen !