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Macrovision RipGuard can't stop ripping

24 November 2005 8:44 by James "Dela" Delahunty | 38 comments

Macrovision RipGuard can't stop ripping Back in February this year, Macrovision made a terrible attempt to scare the "ripping community" with the introduction of RipGuard. The company claimed that RipGuard would "stop DVD rippers in their tracks" and would have a dramatic effect on the amount of content that makes its way to P2P networks. "RipGuard is designed to... reduce DVD ripping and the resulting supply of illegal peer to peer," said the firm.

However, Macrovision's "perfect" RipGuard solution does not match up to the firms claims. "We were able to circumvent the technology and rip a perfect copy of ['Madagascar'] using a free DVD ripper downloaded from the Internet," Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster wrote in a recent report. Yes that is true, "FREE" DVD ripping software already stops the RipGuard copy protection in its path.

This is bad news for Macrovision and the studios, who were promised 97% of lost revenue returned by Macrovision if they invested in RipGuard technology. In fact, Macrovision has such little faith in its own creations that it has to bully coders and sites in a desperate attempt to make these rippers disappear, so that movie studios can be fooled into believing their copy protection is as effective as they claim.

Macrovision's technology limits consumer's fair use rights by attempting to prevent them from making backup copies of their own movies. Macrovision never addresses this problem however, instead the company likes to use piracy as an excuse to justify limiting consumers rights. Also, when the company unveiled RipGuard in February, it said that it plays in "nearly all" DVD players - but of course didn't give any details on players it wouldn't work in. "Nearly all" is not good enough when a consumer has spent their own earned money on a DVD player which possibly will have problems with RipGuard DVDs.

As you all know by now, Macrovision decided to also "order" that DVD Decrypter be removed from AfterDawn's download section. This will be done on Sunday 27th November, or as soon as technically possible - but it will still be in the AfterDawn download section until then. Users are reminded that software such as AnyDVD, DVDFab Decrypter and FreeDVD are just some examples of software that can assist in creating backups and are still in our download section.

DVD Decrypter will remain in widespread use for a long time yet. Macrovision could get it removed from every site online and it would still float around P2P networks and consumers HDDs - so it would still be quite easily obtained.

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Forbes


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    evilh0ly (Senior Member) 25 November 2005 6:04 Send private message to this user   
    god any protection can be overcome
    cappyx (Inactive) 25 November 2005 7:18 Send private message to this user   
    Fire Smackrovision, sue them for being a bunch of spineless bs artist, lower the dvd cost to fair and reasonable, throw out fancy plastic cases in exchange for simple paper sleeves and no one will care about hacking this stuff.
    ireland (Inactive) 25 November 2005 7:27 Send private message to this user   
    they should use a harder plastic to stop the Scratching the surface of the disks,and stop using the cheap plastic..that most movie are put on.
    wild77 (Inactive) 25 November 2005 13:34 Send private message to this user   
    Macrovision,now that's a company I would invest in.LMFAO.

    The best part is that DVD Decrypter will stil rip all these movies. So now that Macrovision owns the rights to Decrypter we can all use it to break there great copy protection!
    Dirtydeed (Newbie) 25 November 2005 16:40 Send private message to this user   
    I say spank em with a fish head and feed it to em. lol
    Rushman1 (Junior Member) 26 November 2005 4:21 Send private message to this user   
    If Ripguard was really on the movies That Mr. Piper says, then why does anydvd not display it? I have my doughts that it has come out yet. This reminds me of the time when everyone in the forums was blasting DTV about they could not stop them from hacking their cards.Well guess what!! They came after the end usuers and then all those people on the forums that didnt have a clue about writing a script (and braged they could not be stopped) got letters and had to cough up $3500. I would be careful about kicking sand in the big boys face. I paid $3500 to learn that lesson. Some people were lucky some were not..which are you?? Not trying to make anyone mad, but just being careful.

    Just my 2 cents

    This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 26 November 2005 4:23

    aabbccdd (Inactive) 26 November 2005 8:41 Send private message to this user   
    Ripguard protection on a dvd and hacking DTV cards are two totally different issues

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    Rushman1 (Junior Member) 26 November 2005 10:04 Send private message to this user   
    ABC
    The behavior is all I am talking about that is the same.
    No Offense intended.
    cash1la (Newbie) 26 November 2005 19:26 Send private message to this user   
    Umm in case you havent heard, AnyDVD did display it. Go to their web site and you'll lern what ripguard is really about. All ripguard is, it's a stupid thing that hides codes and other files within the dvd it's self. Thats why you get all those read errors in DVD Shrink. Not only does it give a read error but it tells you were the error is. Try it on stealth, madagascar, and war of the worlds. Nothing AnyDVD cant find though.
    JaguarGod (Senior Member) 27 November 2005 12:53 Send private message to this user   
    @cash1la,

    Where on slysoft's website did you find out about Ripguard? As far as I know, AnyDVD does not fully remove this corruption.

    When I took a look at the IFOs of Madagascar, I did not see a big difference between this and ARccOS. Ripguard seems to place a corrupted cell in a different PGC from the main movie while ARccOS corrupts the main movie PGC. Both are not really protections, but actually intentional authoring errors IMO.

    @Rushman1,

    I know for a fact that Ripguard is being used, because I have read some articles about it. Most have been in news about adult videos.

    The reason that AnyDVD does not diplay "found and removed Ripguard" is because the creators of AnyDVD do not know exactly what Ripguard is. However, since it is still a structure based corruption, it does a good job of fixing movies with Ripguard.
    aabbccdd (Inactive) 27 November 2005 20:46 Send private message to this user   
    here you go

    looks like its offical that "Madagascar" does have Ripguard

    anydvd update to 5.6.1.1

    5.6.1.1, 2005 11 27

    - New: Added detection and removal of a new type of protection
    "MacroVision RipGuard" as found on "Madagascar WideScreen" R1 (US)
    or "Vet Hard" R2 (Netherlands) to the option to remove
    "Protection based on unreadable Sectors"
    Note: RipGuard could be copied together with elby CloneDVD2 since
    AnyDVD version 5.4.1.1, but this new version supports drag and drop
    of all files from DVD to harddisk as well!
    - New: Added support for a new version of the Sony Arccos protection
    as found on "Seinfeld Season 6 Disc 3" R2 (German) to the option to
    remove "Protection based on unreadable Sectors"
    - New: Information Window now shows MacroVision RipGuard, if it was
    detected.
    - New: Information Window now displays, if "Error zones between files"
    have been removed, like on "Resident Evil - Apocalypse" R1 (US)
    syeberman (Newbie) 28 November 2005 1:42 Send private message to this user   
    Is Macrovision still obsessed with corruption?

    Syeberman ....
    "Throws a time base corrector at a tribble"

    This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 28 November 2005 2:09

    swmiller6 (Newbie) 28 November 2005 4:42 Send private message to this user   
    Some one ought to tell these guys if you can watch or hear it you can copy it!!!!!!!
    ireland (Inactive) 28 November 2005 7:01 Send private message to this user   
    now ye will know if it has RipGuard

    its from here
    http://www.slysoft.com/download/changes_anydvd.txt

    AnyDVD 5.6.1.1
    just info

    Music labels losing sales over DRM
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/263395


    Rikoshay
    your right,i did not see the other post..

    This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 28 November 2005 14:59

    Rikoshay (Member) 28 November 2005 7:16 Send private message to this user   
    @ ireland,

    I think it's great that you site your sources, but I think that if the comment was already placed in a thread, then you should just point out where that source was from, and not restate what was already said.
    runner121 (Inactive) 29 November 2005 22:37 Send private message to this user   
    Its funny that they spend millions trying to create
    turbulence and ended up with a light breeze. Yay for
    Macromutz!!
    aabbccdd (Inactive) 29 November 2005 23:24 Send private message to this user   
    heres "Sky High"

    Summary for drive E: (AnyDVD 5.6.1.1)
    Drive (Hardware) Region: 1

    Media is a Data DVD.
    Booktype: dvd-rom (version 1), Layers: 2 (opposite)

    Video DVD (or CD) label: SKH0NNF1
    Media is CSS protected!
    Video Standard: NTSC
    Media is locked to region(s): 1!

    RCE protection not found.
    Found & removed wrong DVD structure!
    Found & removed Macrovision RipGuard protection!
    Autorun not found on Video DVD.
    Found & removed 2 bad sector protections!
    Emulating RPC-2 drive with region 1!


    ripped,encoded,shrinked and backup in leed that 25 minutes HAAAAAAAAAA!!!! macrovision
    l34merik (Member) 30 November 2005 15:11 Send private message to this user   
    What is that free ripping program? Anyone found out? If I can't find it, I guess I'll just have to buy AnyDVD instead. Also Dvd X Copy as a test? Com on that ripper has stopped updating for a long time. I was so pissed of when i just brought it at my local CompUSA for $100 and a month later the company shut down which then opens later as 321 or 123 Copy Dvd or something and then doesn't give their old customer updates.
    wild77 (Inactive) 30 November 2005 17:26 Send private message to this user   
    Not sure which free DVD ripper they used, but I am still using DVD Decrypter!

    DVDfabdecrypter is also free, you really don't need to buy AnyDVD to do these movies.

    Macrovision may have bullied LIGHTNING UK! into giving up his code but it still works great for me.

    aabbccdd (Inactive) 30 November 2005 23:10 Send private message to this user   
    l34merik your probably looking for DVD43 its a free ripper BUT nothing close compared to AnyDVD well worth the money my freind

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    JaguarGod (Senior Member) 1 December 2005 9:48 Send private message to this user   
    Also, as wild77 stated, DVD Decrypter is working so far with Ripguard movies.
    feared (Newbie) 22 December 2005 18:28 Send private message to this user   
    Hi all. This is my first post on AFTERDAWN. I agree with the post of member "swmiller6". They will never be able to stop but only slow down the 'copying industry'. The only question that comes to my mind is how long before the copy protection is cracked again.
    I feel sorry for guys like AnyDVD who will soon find themselves getting the 'tap on the shoulders'. But, I believe that, like 'swmiller6', if you can see or hear it..you can copy it!
    It will be a never ending battle until the price of music, games and video drops low enough that people would rather just buy it retail than download the latest crack or ripper.
    For now it's kinda fun watching BIG BROTHER sweat-it while others rip-it.
    P.S Madagascar sucks anyways. I liked Shrek more!
    :)
    JaguarGod (Senior Member) 23 December 2005 6:30 Send private message to this user   
    Based on what I've read, next gen DVDs will not be the same. It will have invisible watermarks and changes in audio pitch that will prevent copying even with a video camera and microphone. I've seen something similar in that past, at least with audio signal scrambling, and that is no joke, however, this only to prevent Video camera copies, so it was not implemented in that same way as I have seen.

    Of course, this means that there will be more efforts to crack the actual encryption on a disc.

    As for Ripguard, this is not copy protection. Same goes for ARccOS.
    dvdguyad (Newbie) 27 January 2006 18:17 Send private message to this user   
    who want dvd ripper ? email me
    S2K (Member) 7 February 2006 12:07 Send private message to this user   
    Quote:
    Based on what I've read, next gen DVDs will not be the same. It will have invisible watermarks and changes in audio pitch that will prevent copying even with a video camera and microphone. I've seen something similar in that past, at least with audio signal scrambling, and that is no joke, however, this only to prevent Video camera copies, so it was not implemented in that same way as I have seen.
    any next gen material that is backwards compatable will not be able to use new hard to crack schemes.

    very vehcile made in the past with advd player and every vehcile made for the next couple of years will have standard dvd players. people may buy one hd player but the bulk of the market will be standatd dvd for five to seven yearts at aminumum.

    the methods you mention will be cracked in less than a year.

    don't forget that the sped of cracks are simpy dependent on the number of units sold. if as many xbox 360 existed as dvd players there would have been a crack and or hardware solution the first month
    JaguarGod (Senior Member) 8 February 2006 21:41 Send private message to this user   
    Quote:
    if as many xbox 360 existed as dvd players there would have been a crack and or hardware solution the first month
    Right you are!!! The availability of the hardware (or software) will speed things up.
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