Anti-DRM group to take on RIAA

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And what a stupid post it was.. ^ Anyway, It's about time, someone took a stand to the RIAA, and anyone who does so, I fully support in any way! -Mike

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Nice...about time someone said something against DRM...

This is very interesting. Although I don't know how much weight "DefectiveByDesign" carries.. - Enough to make a difference? ..you'd certainly hope so

The Group itself holds little weight, but by joining the group you are given the contact information of the "top Dogs" in charge of Anti-Piracy etc... So the ultimate goal is for us the people to join and speak out, because unless WE do, nothing will change.

Any publicity is better than no publicity on any issue.

the problem is not all of the people know what it is and are miss lead by the RIAA in believing only hackers and theives want it gone ... most computer users are just that users its like telling some one that the breaks on their car is now made to break down with out hurting the eco system (many said kewl ,its about time...) but what they didnt relise is that now they have to change their breaks more ofton making it a win fall for the auto industry . the loss of any p2p or anti trust service hurts not only the consumer but it kills the creative process of others trying to figure out how it was done . when games or cds have so much encryption on it so you cant mod it or even see the source code then everyone is at the mersy of large greedy companies like microsoft.. its time main stream america learns about all thats on those disks they keep buying for the kids and themselves ... its about time that we start emailing everyone and telling them enough with the games just give us our music and videos and games with out crap that causes our systems to become hackable by others is we install or just play it on a computer.......why does micro soft get away with releaseing a defective product when the fixes will be on the web before Vista hits the shelf.......

The EFF has always been working against DRM. Not the first group. Good effort, never the less, i support them and i signed up

The best way to fight them is with our pocketbooks.

No, The best way to fight them would be with Fire and Bombs. Well That would be the fun way not the legal way, I just wanted to say there wasteing there money, Well It depends how many retards support this crap I guess. Anti-DRM 4 Life LOL@mystic Yeah I hear YA Money Money Money, Money

Wouldn't the best way to fight DRM be to make DRM cracks and software that bypasses it easy to download? For example, DVD Decrypter is one such program.

Well it did say something in the article of mentioning to the RIAA Anti DRM Methods. I don't think this is a wise move because what Defective By Design is doing is telling them where their cracks are and showing them how people get around it, its like spoon feeding a child. This will just make the next version of DRM harder to crack. So as much as I want to get rid of DRM this way could back fire.

Anyone out there doing something is better than many complaining and doing nothing. I suppot them 100%.

im glad for this the RIAA is a bunch of stupid ^%$%^$^% they think people are illegally downloading everything well there right they are and why you ask simple lets say you want a album that is no longer in print if you download the album the RIAA busts you but if they continued to produce the album then maybe we wouldn't have to download it illegally duh

Why are the MPAA and it's counterparts not on the list? The DRM in the new hi-def video players is so over the top that it takes 1 minute plus just to load and decrypt the disc. OVER A MINUTE BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THE MENU! They had to put very high priced (compaired to what they could have used if a slightly more sane approach had been taken) desktop class CPU chips into the players just to facilitate the ridiculously over complex multiple DRM schemes employed. I hope those players and discs rot on the store shelves.

Let's hope they don't get sued in the long run!

Woo Hoo!! Now this looks like something worth joining!!

I hate how the Recording Artist feel like they arent making any money, How can you sit there and tell me your not making money when you got a 67 inch plasma, 300 acre house, 37 exotic cars, and a hot supemodel wife? Please Explain!I beleive if someone wants to give a freind a copy of a bought cd for their birthday they should be able to!

@DrKePhRiM I think your missing the point. Only the very top tier of artists have those things, meanwhile the countless thousands sign bullshit contracts. Their music just doesn't fit into the corporate formula. The RIAA seems more and more just like an organization designed to make us pay multiple times for the original purchase.

Wow, first post! What a n00b, honestly. I've heard of this group by name, but I didn't know what they did. I'm joining!

And we can only hope that this will do something..

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So the ultimate goal is for us the people to join and speak out, because unless WE do, nothing will change.

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I don't really believe that. It won't hurt of course to join these organizations, but actions speak louder than words. It is the systematic cracking of the various DRM schemes, and all of their enevitable spinoffs and variants that keep cropping up, that will drive home the message that WE will not stand for it. For example, when/if someone manages to crack the iTunes DRM, and post the solution for all of us to see, THAT will have far greater impact than simply joining up to a new .org. Please don't get me wrong - I agree that signing up to this particular organization will not hurt *anything*, but it is still the hands-on BUSTING of these insideous DRM cancers that are going to make all the difference. The RIAA can ignore DefectiveByDesign, but Steve Jobs cannot ignore his iTunes being freely distributed on non-iTunes-DRM-infiltrated devices. Ditto Blu-ray and HD-DVD. Just my .02c. P.S. Now mind you, if some enterprising, kind young soul(s) at DefectiveByDesign were to infiltrate the RIAA website, and perhaps re-write their home page, now THAT would make me stand up and take notice. (Remember?) The RIAA Home-Page has been expertly CRACKED on several welcome occassions in the past. It's time for another RIAA bust, doncha think? :-)

hehe, I do think! You're right, we can talk and talk, but the trousers are where it matters. I can't wait for the next article on the MPAA suing someone for hacking their website!

<hee-hee> :-) Honestly, sammorris, I hadn't heard of the RIAA suing anyone for hacking their self-serving, propagandist ebsite. (They've sued just about everyone else for just about everything else you can think of, though). They (the RIAA) are *SO* cheesy, I have not heard a *peep* from them, regarding the FACT that they have been screwed-chewed-&-tatooed by intelligent web-site hackers. To do so would be an admission that they are not quite the morally-conscious geniuses they would have you believe. RIAA = "Crok O' Shit". Can I say it any plainer? The other day I picked up an amazing little device from Walmart -- the Diamond DSM921SD-1G MP3/WMA player. Runs off 2 AAA batteries, and not a *whiff* of DRM anywhere to be seen. (About $100 Canadian). It even has a slot for an SD card, so I can add all sorts of nice things on-the-fly. WHO needs iTunes? Okay - I am *guessing* that iTune's only *real* claim-to-fame, is that you can only get certain songs from them (at .99c-per) that you cannot (supposedly) get anywhere else. (Jeeze). LOOK AROUND! Check out A/D's download section for P2P software! I've purchased plenty-enough paid .wma (drm-infested) tunes to make me realize that both iTunes and the RIAA are skirting on the edge of oblivion. Wheeeeeeeeeee!!!! The RIAA's continued existence is an existence based on HYPE and threats of law-suits, pure and simple. Just talk to the musical artists who are beginning to rebel en masse!

hi klingon this was posted the other day,ye know me i try to keep on top of the news... Phone the RIAA and CRIA,.. p2p news / p2pnet: Today's the day. For what? To let some of the Big Four Organized Music-owned 'trade' organization bosses know exactly what you think about DRM and/or their efforts to sue you into buying their formulaic, over-priced 'product'. It's a Defective by Design campaign and, "We're asking you to proclaim your support for digital freedoms by calling the RIAA and telling them what you think of DRM and what you think of them!" Sign up here, and meanwhile: * Brad Buckles RIAA USA (202) 857-9607 * Mitch Bainwol RIAA USA (202) 857-9651 * Cary Sherman RIAA USA (202) 857-9632 * Mitch Glazier (202) 857-9673 USA RIAA * Neil Turkowitz RIAA USA (202) 857-9647 * Steve Redmond BPI UK +44 (0)20 7803 1324 * Peter Jamieson BPI UK +44 (0) 20 7803 1311 * Matt Phillips BPI UK 44 (0) 77 3951 4963 * Michael Haentjes IFPI Germany +49 (30) 59 00 38-0 * Peter Zombik IFPI Germany +49 (30) 59 00 38-0 * Jean never Foitzik IFPI Germany +49 (30) 59 00 38-23 * Herve Rony SNEP France +33 (1) 44 13 66 66 * Graham Henderson CRIA Canada 1 (416) 967-7272 ext. 102 When you've told them what you think, let Defective by Design know the results. Here's one such for Henderson: Called in, got Graham's VM. Left a message explaining go here to read it all http://p2pnet.net/story/9157

Hehe, good point but the RIAA will sue anyone they feel like.

Ooh UK numbers, I'll give them a try, they're local! Especially local with 0207, central london, that ain't far away!

(Hmmmm.....) Larry, how much impact would I have if I were to personally call Graham Henderson of the CRIA here in Canada (especially on a Sunday), when: a) I'll probably get an answering machine b) The CRIA, by *default* is DRM-supportive c) Mr. Henderson, having a CORE, vested interest (and lots of financial backing) to ignore/refute any argument I might care to make, anti-DRM-wise Like I say ....... *WE* - you-'n-me - need to take this f---ing bull by the horns, and de-DRM the living crap out of it. Period. THEN - I suspect Mr. Henderson will be a whole lot more receptive to my phone call(s). 1-416-967-7272. Yeah, OK, I got it. And if - after a few more beers - I am in the mood, I *may* call his answering service up and lay a truckload of personal opinion upon his shoulders. OR........ I can just wait for the International, Internet Community of sophisticated, intelligent, CRACKERS to bury these mothers. It's coming, you know. (It's already here). :-)

Very spirited post for a moderator!

quote sammorris Very spirited post for a moderator! klingon is a klingon god..as ye should know all klingons speak there mines an can not lie or deliberately say something untrue:

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(heh-heh) :-) I just hate to see people "used", sammorris. I *hate* to see AfterDawners (my family) being screwed-over. We really need to educate ourselves. (Honestly), I'm a very nice guy, but I would be amiss if I didn't confess to a long-standing abhorrence to what the RIAA has done to all of us. I feel very bitter about it. (Couldja tell?) <gg> I simply LOVE my new little Diamond .mp3 player. 1 Gig of internal flash memory. (Okay, they fib a little - it's actually 998.7 MB of user-available space - but why quibble over a paltry +/- 25 MB?). I can't see all the fuss over iTunes. I wouldn't, (um....) download any MaDonna tunes if you paid *ME* .99c per tune! <gg> I respect DefectiveByDesign, (I really do), but nothing-but-nothing is going to have more of an impact than the systematic demantling of DRM. Everything else is ..... talk-talk-talk-talk-yap-yap-yap. (Get this) ...... Just for the hell of it, I patched my little iPod look-alike (The Diamond) into my home stereo - it sounds *awesome*! I've got over 500 megs of DRM-free P2P songs downloaded into it! I got the P2P software from A/D. (Natch) :-) You and I need music-DRM like we need boils on our backsides! <gg> - Mike -

all i have to say is that copy protection will be useless once i set off the world killer EMP i built last weekend. i cant really see much need for it then, can you? makes you wonder dont it?

@GreyArea "Why are the MPAA and it's counterparts not on the list? The DRM in the new hi-def video players is so over the top that it takes 1 minute plus just to load and decrypt the disc. OVER A MINUTE BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THE MENU! They had to put very high priced (compaired to what they could have used if a slightly more sane approach had been taken) desktop class CPU chips into the players just to facilitate the ridiculously over complex multiple DRM schemes employed. I hope those players and discs rot on the store shelves." Actually from what I understand that is due to limitations of the first HDDVD player. The new BluRay player on the other hand is ready to go in a little under 10 seconds.

A-Klingon: No I'm glad, it makes a change that someone has the right idea on all this. I use a Gigabeat attached to a set of Creative speakers and a Philips Hifi with a trust actuator. It's great, and dirt cheap too. Sounds incredible. A lot of mp3s on the GB come from allofmp3 too! Sounds like bluray gets my vote if it has a shorter loading time!

Yowsa!! :-) I too have several, complete album-downloads from Russia's allofmp3! (From several years ago). They sound *wonderful*! The RIAA is living on borrowed time, sammorris - and don't think they don't know it either. Like Seven-Of-Nine, (the rather large-breasted ex-Borg-beauty on ST-Voyager) frequently said, the RIAA will either adapt or else be assimilated. "Resistance Is Futile". (Who could argue? I couldn't "resist" 7-Of-9 if she were to come on to me). <ggg> "Rock 'n Roll" my friend! - Klingy -

Lol the RIAA will meet its demise sooner rather than later, at least if we have our way, how much money has been wasted through running that organisation and similar others boggles the mind.

The most effective way to communicate is to boycott. Look at Metallica. If you've seen their movie, they admit they regret doing what they did with Napster. It was a slap in the face of their fans. How did they learn this? People stopped buying their albums and protested (besides the fact they really didn't have nay new albums to buy). But the point was made and they realized it. Power of the purse.

What a great link!!! Got all of you big guys(respectfully speaking) involved!!! I agree with all this BS they are trying to make us live with. And as far as Metallica is concerned, James Hetfield said in a magizine article back in 1988 that they didn't have any money when they were kids and would make copies of each others tapes. I love Metallica, the older stuff anyway, and after the Napster thing I lost a lot of respect for the band and what they stand for-sorry Metallica!!! A_Klingon and ireland: Keep it coming, you guys rock!!! sammorris: You know my respect for you and keep it going!!!

Lol you know my feelings on "good causes" then!