PS3 price cuts only temporary

Suckers.

Sure?

Well, then they will go back to collecting dust on the shelves too.

Just out of curiosity, 20 extra gigs cost $100?! I don't think their manufacturers have taken a look around for a better price.

WHAT???!!!!

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Just out of curiosity, 20 extra gigs cost $100?! I don't think their manufacturers have taken a look around for a better price.

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20 extra gigs costs the same. They are both $599...they only lowered the 60gb to $499 to get rid of them.

SOny made the next Saturn ZOMG!(not relay but they re acting like it)

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20 extra gigs costs the same. They are both $599...they only lowered the 60gb to $499 to get rid of them.

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You kidding me? 20GB costs $100?

And Motorstorm

I gave Sony props the other day. Now I am playing indian giver I take that back they suckered the shiznit out of people with that price cut. Thats a bold and wild move all in one.

MS screwed up has admitted it and is tryign to change coarse,Sony is being immature about it and is damaging their brand.

lol naw i think its sum kinda Sony game plan to get alot ppl thinkin they better start buyin a PS3 now while its cheaper so sales will go up. And when/if the sales do go up then they'll release the 80gb for the same low $499 pricetag. The Motorstorm game is more of a gift for buying the 60gb ver when we all know there's an 80gb ver comin out.

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lol naw i think its sum kinda Sony game plan to get alot ppl thinkin they better start buyin a PS3 now while its cheaper so sales will go up. And when/if the sales do go up then they'll release the 80gb for the same low $499 pricetag. The Motorstorm game is more of a gift for buying the 60gb ver when we all know there's an 80gb ver comin out.

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I dunno Sony has not been acting smart lately >>

That's complete and utter ish! When I play the role of a consumer and get sucked into the frenzy of a new toy/product, I'd like to block the fact from my mind that I'm feeding a bloodthirsty corporate demon. When Sony pulls crap like this, it sours the experience by making their tasteless presence known.

WOW Sony sucks at life.

This is kinda off topic but, is anyone else getting annoyed of the parsed links to things that don't even have anything to do with the context of the word used. Such as how wow will come up as a link to world of warcraft even though thats not the topic.
[EDIT]Ok, its the topic but only because its talking about how its not the topic.[/EDIT]

Now to get this back on topic, I was considering getting a PS3 after that but now I'm starting to consider that old muscle car more.

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This is kinda off topic but, is anyone else getting annoyed of the parsed links to things that don't even have anything to do with the context of the word used. Such as how wow will come up as a link to world of warcraft even though thats not the topic.[EDIT]Ok, its the topic but only because its talking about how its not the topic. Wow, that was a run on sentence. Right there! See? It wasn't the sentence topic but it still parsed to a link to WoW.[/EDIT]

Now to get this back on topic, I was considering getting a PS3 after that but now I'm starting to consider that old muscle car more.

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the ad filter is annoying,wish you could bypass it or at least get links working without it interfering.

as for sony no point in getting it till it hits 300 or has 10 A++++ games on it.

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i think its a good move for sony.. people complain it was too expensive, so they cut the price and also got rid of their old units.

they have said over and over that they cant afford to cut the price much. so they are just reiterating that statement. The price cuts have to be temporary, but they made them to please the consumer. temporary is still better than nothing right?

people complain about not getting a price cut. then sony says hey can offer a temprary one, and people complain even more?

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i think its a good move for sony.. people complain it was too expensive, so they cut the price and also got rid of their old units.

they have said over and over that they cant afford to cut the price much. so they are just reiterating that statement. The price cuts have to be temporary, but they made them to please the consumer. temporary is still better than nothing right?

people complain about not getting a price cut. then sony says hey can offer a temprary one, and people complain even more?

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And I hate people that don't understand that if they do no lower the price and get it in homes devs and games will leave it like a sinking ship,or have you not been paying any attention to the rats leaving?


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I dunno Bush is screwing up and screwing over the country with his admin,the dems are to busy looking good for the camera trying to ban video games to be family friendly while kissing up to their corporate masters.

its like,how do you want your rapage,the cold multi probing machine or the freakish multi tentacle hentai monster, either way we is all screwed 0-o

You guys are a bunch of babies. If you want one, just buy one now! Simple!

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i think its a good move for sony.. people complain it was too expensive, so they cut the price and also got rid of their old units.

they have said over and over that they cant afford to cut the price much. so they are just reiterating that statement. The price cuts have to be temporary, but they made them to please the consumer. temporary is still better than nothing right?

people complain about not getting a price cut. then sony says hey can offer a temprary one, and people complain even more?

i hate complainers.

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And I hate people that don't understand that if they do no lower the price and get it in homes devs and games will leave it like a sinking ship,or have you not been paying any attention to the rats leaving?


they are much better off to take 2 billion in losses head on than to wait it out and lose rep and games to other systems than to implode on self or to be forced out,now is not a time to be blind.

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what business is it of yours if sony wants to implode.. makes no difference to you. losing rep? thats an opinion expressed by you and maybe others, but not to me. Honestly, i believe the executives running sony who make the decisions are 100 times smarter than you, and if their forcasts predict its better for the future of the company to not take that huge of a loss, then it must be for good reason.

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i think its a good move for sony.. people complain it was too expensive, so they cut the price and also got rid of their old units.

they have said over and over that they cant afford to cut the price much. so they are just reiterating that statement. The price cuts have to be temporary, but they made them to please the consumer. temporary is still better than nothing right?

people complain about not getting a price cut. then sony says hey can offer a temprary one, and people complain even more?

i hate complainers.

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And I hate people that don't understand that if they do no lower the price and get it in homes devs and games will leave it like a sinking ship,or have you not been paying any attention to the rats leaving?


they are much better off to take 2 billion in losses head on than to wait it out and lose rep and games to other systems than to implode on self or to be forced out,now is not a time to be blind.

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what business is it of yours if sony wants to implode.. makes no difference to you. losing rep? thats an opinion expressed by you and maybe others, but not to me. Honestly, i believe the executives running sony who make the decisions are 100 times smarter than you, and if their forcasts predict its better for the future of the company to not take that huge of a loss, then it must be for good reason.

so to reiterate; quite whining . i hate complainers.

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Well if YOU are so stupid that you want to trust a company that puts "ROOT KITS" on their music CD's go right ahead.

But some are not as stupid as you.

Maybe. They have 2milj. PS3 60 models in stock so they will last until end of year and then they can drop 80gb models price.

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That was Sony BMG, completely different entity to Sony Computer Entertainment, Just cause they share the "Sony" name doesn't mean anything. I'm not defending Sony BMG's mistake, but I am saying that it's time people acknowledge the true culprits behind it.

I think a lot of people are missing the point here. Sony made an announced as a "price cut" for the PS3, it only emerged later of the doomed 60GB model plans. This is really bad for just being on the market for half a year. Already we've seen Sony get rid of 20GB versions in U.S. (never brought them to europe) which sold for $499. The the company also decided to remove the PS2 emotion engine from PS3 models, which was again.. bad...

Now Sony wants to bring a model with an 80GB HDD and Motorstorm... but what is really happening is, the upgfrade could be considered sorta "free" for those who haven't got a PS3 yet, buit what Sony is doing is knocking the PS3 price down to that of the 20GB and just bringing in a new model at $599 to replace it.

Now I don't want to take sides in the console war but ALL of that drama in just half a year of the 10 year cycle Sony says the PS3 will have... is just not good. The company needs to talk straight to consumers, that this isn't exactly a permanent price drop, instead its a stock clearance and a new upgraded product is taking the place of the older product.

Now for those who want a 60GB right now, the news is still good, they can get it at $100 less but what this article is trying to point out is that its not a permanent price drop from Sony, it's a stock clearance and so that's what Sony's Press Center should be saying.

Hmmmm, $100 for 20gbs of HDD?

I take it this is now the end of the Sony fanclub bashing the XBox over the cost of it's HDD?

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Now you are simply talking semnantics! The sony corporation COVERS Sony BMG also! You are trying to split hairs between the two, when it is simply another branch of the Sony corp.

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I think a lot of people are missing the point here. Sony made an announced as a "price cut" for the PS3, it only emerged later of the doomed 60GB model plans. This is really bad for just being on the market for half a year. Already we've seen Sony get rid of 20GB versions in U.S. (never brought them to europe) which sold for $499. The the company also decided to remove the PS2 emotion engine from PS3 models, which was again.. bad....

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The reason the ps3's are selling so poorly is because of these reasons, true enough, but those are not the only reasons. Sony has had it's monoply with the ps2 for a very long time...now xbox and xbox 360 have taken away it's market share. Not because Sony builds a bad product, but becuase the corporate heads think that people are going to be so willing to pay $600.00 for a system that most people could care less if it had blue ray or not. In the console game, price is a VERY BIG factor as to weather or not a product sells well or not. We see evidence of this as the ps3 rolled out...there were no long lines to buy it...and a lot of them sat on shelves for a very long time because of the price.

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Now Sony wants to bring a model with an 80GB HDD and Motorstorm... but what is really happening is, the upgfrade could be considered sorta "free" for those who haven't got a PS3 yet, buit what Sony is doing is knocking the PS3 price down to that of the 20GB and just bringing in a new model at $599 to replace it.

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Well again, you think it is a "free" upgrade, I do not. I think that Sony should have been able to make this on opening day, but they didn't. Now they want to act like it is a bargain? Or in other words charge MORE for something they were selling a ps3 with a smaller hard drive for when they first came out! If I was a consumer that bought an early model,I would feel RIPPED OFF!

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Now I don't want to take sides in the console war but ALL of that drama in just half a year of the 10 year cycle Sony says the PS3 will have... is just not good. The company needs to talk straight to consumers, that this isn't exactly a permanent price drop, instead its a stock clearance and a new upgraded product is taking the place of the older product.

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But that was my point, it is wrong to NOW give people a ps3 with an 80 gig hard drive...but the people who bought the first units were screwed over. The LEAST they could do, is to offer them a price break on a new unit. But I doubt that will happen...Sony seems to think of the word "customer" as "sucker" apparently.

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Now for those who want a 60GB right now, the news is still good, they can get it at $100 less but what this article is trying to point out is that its not a permanent price drop from Sony, it's a stock clearance and so that's what Sony's Press Center should be saying.

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But what I have been saying, is that for $100 bucks less, you are just getting a 60 gig unit when NOW they have 80 gig untis....why could they not have had 80 gig units to start with? Don't tell me that hard drives were that expensive! I just don't believe it. It was the Blue ray problems that drove up the cost, but the hard drives were cheap when they introduced the ps3.

E3 said it all.Sony camp say the games are coming in March 2008 and Microsoft show a load of games coming before Christmas.With a 3 year warranty the 360 is a safe bet and the rumour is
a price drop is coming before Christmas.
It's looking bleak for Sony this year then, and I expect Microsoft's userbase to grow BIG time...

I am very disappointed to say the least. I wish they would offer a 0gig hard drive so i can buy my own HD not sassy 60 nor 80 gb hd. I was considering buying a ps3 but the company is very shady.

they only did that because of the new cooling system

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Hmmmm, $100 for 20gbs of HDD?

I take it this is now the end of the Sony fanclub bashing the XBox over the cost of it's HDD?

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yea maybe you might get that new controller people been rumoring about. im sure sony has a plan... and if u think about it.. its actually same price for a bigger HD. seeing how the price cut was temp. just so the poor can afford one.

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Hmmmm, $100 for 20gbs of HDD?

I take it this is now the end of the Sony fanclub bashing the XBox over the cost of it's HDD?

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yea maybe you might get that new controller people been rumoring about. im sure sony has a plan... and if u think about it.. its actually same price for a bigger HD. seeing how the price cut was temp. just so the poor can afford one.

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I have seen used PS3s go from 300-500,do you think sony could be offsetting their costs by getting the more rich people to buy in first then as the slightly not so rich buy in more and more units become avabile to thos who can afford a 300-400 system,they of course will purge stock now and then to get it off the selfs.

I dunno its a bit to round about for them to be willingly doing it.

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Now you are simply talking semnantics! The sony corporation COVERS Sony BMG also! You are trying to split hairs between the two, when it is simply another branch of the Sony corp.

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no one is spliting hairs. SONY BGM has no say in SONY. they are different branches ran by different people. they have a president for gaming and music ect.

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The reason the ps3's are selling so poorly is because of these reasons, true enough, but those are not the only reasons. Sony has had it's monoply with the ps2 for a very long time...now xbox and xbox 360 have taken away it's market share. Not because Sony builds a bad product, but becuase the corporate heads think that people are going to be so willing to pay $600.00 for a system that most people could care less if it had blue ray or not. In the console game.

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actually if you own an HDTV and seen the difference between blu-ray 1080p and actual tv. ull want a HD drive in ur console. and seeing how movies suck now a days what with people downloading everything and pissing off the mpaa. i rather just rent. and the blockbuster at my house only carries blu ray. i think thats a good choice. if you want hd dvd with ur xbox you have to buy the add on. which hasnt sold very well. because who wants to pay 200 extra dollars.. the xbox is supposed to be elite. guess not.

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Well again, you think it is a "free" upgrade, I do not. I think that Sony should have been able to make this on opening day, but they didn't. Now they want to act like it is a bargain? Or in other words charge MORE for something they were selling a ps3 with a smaller hard drive for when they first came out! If I was a consumer that bought an early model,I would feel RIPPED OFF!

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you would feel ripped off. but you didn't buy one. so stfu. no one told you to buy one right away. whoever got one early.. either waited in a line at launch or paid extra on ebay. meaning they wanted the ps3 bad enough to have the 1st gen models. they didn't have to do a price cut. and they didn't have to release a new 80 gig. which they havent yet. so stop complaining and get one now.. there are guides to get a 720gig HD on ur ps3. so if ur seriously being a girl about it. then google it. and stop crying. if you guys were going to wait until 2008 and 2009 to get one. then maybe there will be another price drop. so get your money correct and wait it out. because half of you guys were going to wait anyways. or i think its xbox fanboys just saying things to put the ps3 down. which makes no sense. they are both good consoles. and if its about the next gen disc. then maybe we already have a winner.

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But what I have been saying, is that for $100 bucks less, you are just getting a 60 gig unit when NOW they have 80 gig untis....why could they not have had 80 gig units to start with? Don't tell me that hard drives were that expensive! I just don't believe it. It was the Blue ray problems that drove up the cost, but the hard drives were cheap when they introduced the ps3.

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you don't know anything. you dont know what the new 80 gig will include. and it includes a 60 dollar game. its okay you dont understand the concept. just sit there and pretend to be smart.

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I just feel sony is moving arse first in all this,not have a real core setup,not tryign to lower the price of the unit,that on top of slow sales and quirky architecture the PS3 is a media best that time has not yet come,meaning either they take more losses head on now and build the brand back up or they take a long hard road they might wind up pushing more devs to other systems, in my mind it would be better of for them to get the losses over with, even apologize to the consumers while lower the price.

Realy they should have done all this to start with but mutli production lines and stupid price points are not helping them any....they need to focus on 1 thing,gettign the PS3 in as many homes as they can.

But then again whats left to remove they have shifted debt from the EE chip to emulation they would have been better off brining back wireless pads and just riping all the wireless stuff out of it and sale extras for 70 a pop, I suppose anythign they do now is "bad", its going to be a interesting couple of years tho what devs will stay who will go and who will return I dont see much happening on that front till 09 tho,at least for the "great return".

You can't differentiate between Sony's music, TV, computer, etc. lines, because the PS3 does include a Blu-Ray player, which is from their entertainment wing and heavily support Sony's Columbia Tri-Star movies. That is not a coincidence of "separate" businesses working together that just happen to have "Sony" in the name.

I feel bad for the people who spent $500 on the 20gb that had no HDMI or wireless. Those are the people who should feel ripped.

The only reason that BlockBuster stocks Blu-Ray exclusively is because Sony is paying them lots of money to do so. Netflix actually stocks both formats.

In all this is bad press for Sony. Why even acknowledge the price drop at all?

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You can't differentiate between Sony's music, TV, computer, etc. lines, because the PS3 does include a Blu-Ray player, which is from their entertainment wing and heavily support Sony's Columbia Tri-Star movies. That is not a coincidence of "separate" businesses working together that just happen to have "Sony" in the name.

I feel bad for the people who spent $500 on the 20gb that had no HDMI or wireless. Those are the people who should feel ripped.

The only reason that BlockBuster stocks Blu-Ray exclusively is because Sony is paying them lots of money to do so. Netflix actually stocks both formats.

In all this is bad press for Sony. Why even acknowledge the price drop at all?

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they added HDMI to the 20GB before launch,it have blue tooth thats a wireless but it dose not have WI FI.

All in all sony has totally fcked up the marketing and pricing of the PS3,I still say to this day if they dropped all the wireless and went with a advanced emulation setup for PSX/PS2 games (skippign the chip altogether but supporting 70% of all PSX-PS2 games out of the box) setting the price to 400 with the 60GB,there would be no question that it would have done as well as the WII or as well as the PS2 at launch and the added bonus it would have made a solid foundation for BR, because they did not have any foresight they have damaged them selfs.

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The reason the ps3's are selling so poorly is because of these reasons, true enough, but those are not the only reasons. Sony has had it's monoply with the ps2 for a very long time...now xbox and xbox 360 have taken away it's market share. Not because Sony builds a bad product, but becuase the corporate heads think that people are going to be so willing to pay $600.00 for a system that most people could care less if it had blue ray or not. In the console game.

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actually if you own an HDTV and seen the difference between blu-ray 1080p and actual tv. ull want a HD drive in ur console. and seeing how movies suck now a days what with people downloading everything and pissing off the mpaa. i rather just rent. and the blockbuster at my house only carries blu ray. i think thats a good choice. if you want hd dvd with ur xbox you have to buy the add on. which hasnt sold very well. because who wants to pay 200 extra dollars.. the xbox is supposed to be elite. guess not.

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Well again, you think it is a "free" upgrade, I do not. I think that Sony should have been able to make this on opening day, but they didn't. Now they want to act like it is a bargain? Or in other words charge MORE for something they were selling a ps3 with a smaller hard drive for when they first came out! If I was a consumer that bought an early model,I would feel RIPPED OFF!

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you would feel ripped off. but you didn't buy one. so stfu. no one told you to buy one right away. whoever got one early.. either waited in a line at launch or paid extra on ebay. meaning they wanted the ps3 bad enough to have the 1st gen models. they didn't have to do a price cut. and they didn't have to release a new 80 gig. which they havent yet. so stop complaining and get one now.. there are guides to get a 720gig HD on ur ps3. so if ur seriously being a girl about it. then google it. and stop crying. if you guys were going to wait until 2008 and 2009 to get one. then maybe there will be another price drop. so get your money correct and wait it out. because half of you guys were going to wait anyways. or i think its xbox fanboys just saying things to put the ps3 down. which makes no sense. they are both good consoles. and if its about the next gen disc. then maybe we already have a winner.

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But what I have been saying, is that for $100 bucks less, you are just getting a 60 gig unit when NOW they have 80 gig untis....why could they not have had 80 gig units to start with? Don't tell me that hard drives were that expensive! I just don't believe it. It was the Blue ray problems that drove up the cost, but the hard drives were cheap when they introduced the ps3.

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I agree with you %100. My only beef is they dont need to pull the hood over people eyes with the 60gb version by saying thats a temp relief in price. I know now that they are just completely doing away with the 60GB version and replacing it with the 80GB. Oh and technically they arent charging you $100 for 20GB i dont know where somebody got that. If you swap a unit that was 60GB at $600 for a unit thats 80Gb at $600 where is the extra $100? Also there are games being sold with the system and 2 controllers and thats the 60GB version for $500 so they are trying to give more back and even if thats bait to get people to buy it at least they are giving you more then the other consoles are giving away right at this point. Oh and before the bashers over read what i just typed all i am stating is the obvious from what the specs are giving for each version. The 80GB also will have a similar deal from what i read and seen at

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that are making games that will come out most after Xmas as someone already said which is OK for a system in their FIRST year. Lastly and I AM NOT BASHING THE OTHER CONSOLES FOR THOSE WHOM ARE READING IMPAIRED the 360 had its slow year and a half with games and so far the Wii doesnt have anything out also. Its all a waiting game for what you want. Sony made a move to help their sales I dont have beef with that i just give props when props are due.

The trouble is a lot of thos games are multi consoles and a few of their franchises are moving to multi console as well, this is not good for the PS3,the less fully exclusive titles it has the more issues its going to have.

Right now the industry spends 30-60 million on a current/next gen game they need every bit from game sales to keep the industry running so I might be misplacing some blame on sony, but again I want the PS3 to do well and so far sony is only helping it into the ground with foolish 2ndary units and other things all these lil things add up, and the PS3 could very well be the next Saturn.

In any case its going to be interesting the next 2 years to see how the PS3 can evolve from where it is.

Just look at Sony's past. They even said in E3 that they were never the cheapest console or sometimes the most popular, but they've always done well anyways. Sure they've gotten off to a rough start, but Sony is a major company that could easily get back on it's feet. I'm pretty sure that they're working hard because who would want to have a failing product? It's all about money. And that's why their coming out with an 80GB PS3. For the same price of what the 60GB was, you get more and it's also cheaper for them to make, which means after 6 months they'll probably have a small price drop or something.

It will be rough, but I think that the PS3 will be something to have in the future.

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Just look at Sony's past. They even said in E3 that they were never the cheapest console or sometimes the most popular, but they've always done well anyways. Sure they've gotten off to a rough start, but Sony is a major company that could easily get back on it's feet. I'm pretty sure that they're working hard because who would want to have a failing product? It's all about money. And that's why their coming out with an 80GB PS3. For the same price of what the 60GB was, you get more and it's also cheaper for them to make, which means after 6 months they'll probably have a small price drop or something.

It will be rough, but I think that the PS3 will be something to have in the future.

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............... a 80GB HDD is like 10 more than a 60GB,hell a 120GB is almost 100,they could as least try and give you more and not putt wool over the sheeps eyes.

As for future potential if sony dose not give up, the PS3 will be a stable elite gaming niche but I don't see it evolving past where the 360 is.

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Just look at Sony's past. They even said in E3 that they were never the cheapest console or sometimes the most popular, but they've always done well anyways. Sure they've gotten off to a rough start, but Sony is a major company that could easily get back on it's feet. I'm pretty sure that they're working hard because who would want to have a failing product? It's all about money. And that's why their coming out with an 80GB PS3. For the same price of what the 60GB was, you get more and it's also cheaper for them to make, which means after 6 months they'll probably have a small price drop or something.

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............... a 80GB HDD is like 10 more than a 60GB,hell a 120GB is almost 100,they could as least try and give you more and not putt wool over the sheeps eyes.

As for future potential if sony dose not give up, the PS3 will be a stable elite gaming niche but I don't see it evolving past where the 360 is.

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I do. The 360 selling well, but with a bad name. Crap. Bad quality, and so on because of all of the problems that it's received. Some people even say that it's still in it's beta mode(lol). Also, the PS3 doesn't charge you for every extra like Microsoft does. I also think that the PS3 will have a better online then MS in the future too, and you don't have to pay for it either.

But this won't be for like another year or so, sadly.

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Just look at Sony's past. They even said in E3 that they were never the cheapest console or sometimes the most popular, but they've always done well anyways. Sure they've gotten off to a rough start, but Sony is a major company that could easily get back on it's feet. I'm pretty sure that they're working hard because who would want to have a failing product? It's all about money. And that's why their coming out with an 80GB PS3. For the same price of what the 60GB was, you get more and it's also cheaper for them to make, which means after 6 months they'll probably have a small price drop or something.

It will be rough, but I think that the PS3 will be something to have in the future.

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............... a 80GB HDD is like 10 more than a 60GB,hell a 120GB is almost 100,they could as least try and give you more and not putt wool over the sheeps eyes.

As for future potential if sony dose not give up, the PS3 will be a stable elite gaming niche but I don't see it evolving past where the 360 is.

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I do. The 360 selling well, but with a bad name. Crap. Bad quality, and so on because of all of the problems that it's received. Some people even say that it's still in it's beta mode(lol). Also, the PS3 doesn't charge you for every extra like Microsoft does. I also think that the PS3 will have a better online then MS in the future too, and you don't have to pay for it either.

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yes the PS3 charges you for every lil thing thats why a 20GB and 60GB are only 100 less...the disc eating and fail rate is about as bad as the DRE issues the PS2 had,the main problem with the 360is its being in that "elite niche" because its in that niche some devs wont touch it,the 360 is gettign a face lift the new CPUs plus a price drop by Xmas or spring of 08 it all adds up to amke it worth more for less moeny than the PS3 will be in winter of 08.

The PS3 is on the other side of the coin,stable hardware bad price, different architecture all this adds up to the PS3 doing well in its final 2 or 3 years but having a bad time in its first 3 or 4,Sony has said they want to run this to 014 but I don't see how of coarse PS2's will still be made for 2 more years so prehaps that might be the life span of the production aspect,altho if any system can be run for a solid 7 or 8 years the PS3 can even tho the limitations on it are annoying between coding advancements and devs fully producing games for the system it should be shining by 011 and have a solid run till they replace it, really all they need to do is double or tipple the limitations (bottlenecks and ramm) of the PS3 and make the PS4 out of it (with dual motion controller like the wii only wif rumble and Hdvd/BR drive:P) try and keep the price of the console under 500 and the 8th gen of gaming be a bit more steady from the start.

What I mean to say is the PS3 has power but the limits make it about the same as the 360,up the limits and you will have a solid console for another 5+ years,OTT power be damned the industry is already smelling the blood in the water over new IPs and new game types thanks to the WII so the new fad is goign to be gameplay and not graphics ...at least I hope.....

Either Sony is doing this to increase sales and eliminate the available 60GB models, or there doing it because the emotion chip in the 60GB model makes the PS3 more expensive to manufacture.

Either Sony is doing this to increase sales and eliminate the available 60GB models, or there doing it because the emotion chip in the 60GB model makes the PS3 more expensive to manufacture.

lots of opinions, but so far i only see one poster that is just ignorant. thats not bad.

Other than webe, there are some valid points

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Either Sony is doing this to increase sales and eliminate the available 60GB models, or there doing it because the emotion chip in the 60GB model makes the PS3 more expensive to manufacture.

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the EE chip is 30-50$ a small price for better out of the box BWC support, my fear with emulation while it can be better if they work at it,sony being sony will dump BWC the first chance they get to put more work into micro transactions in PSH ><

Right now sony is digging their hole deeper,MS has gotten waste deep in it and it seems for now they are digging them selfs out but sony has not started to dig them selfs out of it.

These are all good points. I was personally disappointed when I read about the 80GB model bringing the system back up $100. I like to think that I read articles carefully, and when I read about the price drop last week, I was under the impression that the PS3 would be $100 cheaper. Not a specific model. After reading this article, my initial feeling was one of disappointment. I felt like I was lied to. Everyone here has brought up good points as to why the price is increased, etc....but that doesn't change the bad taste in my mouth over Sony. I'm looking forward to the hardware improvements to the 360. I've played the 360 and thoroughly enjoyed the titles. Even though my friend had to return his 4 times already, I will still probably get one when the dust settles and my wallet opens for tech toys early next year. I was never a fanboy of any particular console. I have a PS2 and an XBOX. Both had great things about them that had me entertained for hours. I was actually entertaining the thought of buying a PS3 instead of a 360 last week when I heard of the price drop. I figured things would only get better for Sony. Now, just speaking as a customer, the PS3 is kinda fading from my radar. Price is extremely important to me. Bottom line is, I don't want to spend that much money on a console just yet. Especially one that is not going to have really excellent titles until next Spring. And even when they get those titles, the 360 will have more that I am interested in. MS has claimed that they have no intention of dropping their price (and no need to), but if they do (someone here mentioned a good point about price drop announcement too early in the game), I believe it could be a death blow to Sony. With MS's hardware improvements (reduced cost of producing a smaller chip may be passed on to the customer - just a hopeful prediction) and game catalogue, if they drop from $480 to $400 after Sony goes from $500 to $600, the choice will be a no-brainer for a majority of people.

Anyway, I'm sure many will agree, this is the most interesting console war.

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For me the Xbox has its own niche of "PC based" gaming,the 360 continues that more or less its managed to survives its failings,the WII is bringing back fun and innovation to gaming and stumping the elite haters crowd,the PS3 is the most interesting,its changing from a middle ground or middle niche to a high end niche leaving itself open to devs jumping ship because it has to rebuild its brand power, I am 80% sure the PS3 will become a niche machine and gain more momentum(gaming,price drops,rep you name it) near its middle or end.

Sony has reinvented the wheel and is trying to force what it can be put on, thats the main trouble with the PS3,PSP and even BR to a lesser existent, I'll always say that if the launch was handled better and that the system was launched with BR at a 400 price point(minus wireless and even BWC hardware wise) they would have gained more in short and long run than they have now, and they can always release a uber PS3 for 700 on top of a normal unit at 400,but the 500/600 continuing fiasco is just hurting them endlessly.

So what can sony do now? I think its time to give up on the 600 BS you've lost give it up,you want to hold at 499 and not bleed money, stop production on the 2ndary units the 20/the 80 the WTF ever only do the 60GB,be sure not to lose interest in BWC you wont have to spend more on it but you will have to keep up with it, at 500 the PS3 should stop losing money once sony stops dcking around,I still think a 400 price point would be best but sony would start damaging the hardware more like MS did to save a buck, in the end sony is only hurting itself.

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In some ways I hope it fails and the industry is shaken,and realizes that exclusive consoles are a thing a past,that if they licenses titles though dev kit sale and support and open up "the game" a bit by letting other hardware company's build systems the industry will refocus a bit on games and not mindless hardware advancement...altho it could be worse havign 5 company's try to outdo each other over 1 system,by improving extras and price...I dunno would be worse than the all in one gamble thats currently in use..I dunno I am rambling :P

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I know this wasn't posted on the site, but did anyone else see that MS announced an update to their BWC at E3? It brings the number of Xbox 1 titles that can be played on the 360 to over 300 titles. I hope this sticks in Sony's craw!

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I know this wasn't posted on the site, but did anyone else see that MS announced an update to their BWC at E3? It brings the number of Xbox 1 titles that can be played on the 360 to over 300 titles. I hope this sticks in Sony's craw!

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Just look at Sony's past. They even said in E3 that they were never the cheapest console or sometimes the most popular, but they've always done well anyways. Sure they've gotten off to a rough start, but Sony is a major company that could easily get back on it's feet. I'm pretty sure that they're working hard because who would want to have a failing product? It's all about money. And that's why their coming out with an 80GB PS3. For the same price of what the 60GB was, you get more and it's also cheaper for them to make, which means after 6 months they'll probably have a small price drop or something.

It will be rough, but I think that the PS3 will be something to have in the future.

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As for future potential if sony dose not give up, the PS3 will be a stable elite gaming niche but I don't see it evolving past where the 360 is.

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Zippy your way to caught up on the hard drive thing. You can place your own HD in a PS3 which is something you cant do with any other console so them giving you a 80GB or 60GB doesnt really matter if you can upgrade on your own.

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and you don't seem to udnerstand they are charging 100$ for a 50$ HDD,they are doing everything lil thing can to avoid a price drop that would help get the PS3 back on track, the more they dck around the more damage is done to the brand the more damage done the more devs will go multi or leave the PS3 altogether.

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and you don't seem to udnerstand they are charging 100$ for a 50$ HDD,they are doing everything lil thing can to avoid a price drop that would help get the PS3 back on track, the more they dck around the more damage is done to the brand the more damage done the more devs will go multi or leave the PS3 altogether.

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I understand what your trying to say but my point is its not really selling a 80GB HD for $100 if they were selling the other version with a 60GB HD for the same price. I agree they are trying to keep their strong hold on $600 which isnt a good thing overall. But if they release that version with 2 controllers and 2 games as some reports said they may and also the controllers could possibly be the newer rumble controller that they working on then is $600 really that bad of a price or is paying for that system straight up for $600 worst. I rather get a system thats offering more then a bare bones system any day with any system. If i could have gotten my 360 with to wireless controllers and 2 games no matter if it was the crap games they released when the 360 came out that would have been a hell of a deal. Remember I said POSSIBILITY of this not mean its going to happen because only time will tell and companies change their mind quicker then they change undies.

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If they do that its better than nothing I guess, at least they are tryign to move forward even if its with dim bundle sets.

I don't see why they need the 80GB tho,I guess to remove the confusion of the removed EE chip, uhg MS is chasing its tail and sony is moving forward arse first no wonder the WII is doing so well LOL

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If they do that its better than nothing I guess, at least they are tryign to move forward even if its with dim bundle sets.

I don't see why they need the 80GB tho,I guess to remove the confusion of the removed EE chip, uhg MS is chasing its tail and sony is moving forward arse first no wonder the WII is doing so well LOL

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I'd think it would be better to move ass first right? Why risk your head when you could lose a cheek or 2 instead?

Why the bigger hard drive? For those lazy people that would rather download 14Gb games then to go out and buy the disc. Also, this new system cuts production costs for them, making a price drop put into effect sooner then you'll think.

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If they do that its better than nothing I guess, at least they are tryign to move forward even if its with dim bundle sets.

I don't see why they need the 80GB tho,I guess to remove the confusion of the removed EE chip, uhg MS is chasing its tail and sony is moving forward arse first no wonder the WII is doing so well LOL

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I'd think it would be better to move ass first right? Why risk your head when you could lose a cheek or 2 instead?

Why the bigger hard drive? For those lazy people that would rather download 14Gb games then to go out and buy the disc. Also, this new system cuts production costs for them, making a price drop put into effect sooner then you'll think.

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if they stuck with the 60 it would been better saved more moeny,the 80 is foolish at least a 100GB drive would really be better, with the 80GB unit they are only saving 30-50$ a unit,if they left the 60GB in they would save 40-80$ a unit it just boggles the mind what they do.

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What DIFFERENCE DOES THAT MAKE? Thjey ARE part of the same corporation and the same mindset for crying out loud....you ARE splitting hairs weather or not you want to admit it.

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actually if you own an HDTV and seen the difference between blu-ray 1080p and actual tv. ull want a HD drive in ur console. and seeing how movies suck now a days what with people downloading everything and pissing off the mpaa. i rather just rent. and the blockbuster at my house only carries blu ray. i think thats a good choice. if you want hd dvd with ur xbox you have to buy the add on. which hasnt sold very well. because who wants to pay 200 extra dollars.. the xbox is supposed to be elite. guess not.

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you would feel ripped off. but you didn't buy one. so stfu. no one told you to buy one right away. whoever got one early.. either waited in a line at launch or paid extra on ebay. meaning they wanted the ps3 bad enough to have the 1st gen models. they didn't have to do a price cut. and they didn't have to release a new 80 gig. which they havent yet. so stop complaining and get one now.. there are guides to get a 720gig HD on ur ps3. so if ur seriously being a girl about it. then google it. and stop crying. if you guys were going to wait until 2008 and 2009 to get one. then maybe there will be another price drop. so get your money correct and wait it out. because half of you guys were going to wait anyways. or i think its xbox fanboys just saying things to put the ps3 down. which makes no sense. they are both good consoles. and if its about the next gen disc. then maybe we already have a winner.

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Why don't YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP? If you think that I have to own a ps3 or 360 to be able to comment on it, you have problems. Listen, dumbass, if I didn't keep UP with the news of the 360 or the playstation 3, I would not know what to expect when I bought one!What features there are, when is the best time to buy for a price, etc. If you think I should just shut up about it because I have a different opinion than yours, your nuts. And I would probably end up getting ripped off when I did buy one, if I went by your stupid reasoning.

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you don't know anything. you dont know what the new 80 gig will include. and it includes a 60 dollar game. its okay you dont understand the concept. just sit there and pretend to be smart.

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I AM NOT BASHING THE OTHER CONSOLES FOR THOSE WHOM ARE READING IMPAIRED[/b] the 360 had its slow year and a half with games and so far the Wii doesnt have anything out also. Its all a waiting game for what you want. Sony made a move to help their sales I dont have beef with that i just give props when props are due.

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But you DO seem to want others to agree with what you are saying even if some of it is wrong. I have no beef with either Sony or Microsoft, but when Sony starts to pull stuff like they are and thenb act like it is a bargain, I am gonna call them on it! Weather or not some people on here like it or not.

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Well the same could be said of YOU!

Everyone just hates Sony because they just do.

It's like this picture I saw. On one half, it was the iPhone with the Apple symbol on it, and on the other half was the exact same iPhone but with Sony instead of the Apple symbol. Comments on the Sony side would be things like overpiced, there are things better that are cheaper, and so on. But on the other side with the Apple symbol, the comments were things like gotta have and the coolest thing ever, ect.

Is that what people have become?Pure fanboys just because of a name, where as something else that is the exact same but with a different brand name is completely horrid? What is wrong with some of you people is all I want to know.

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Everyone just hates Sony because they just do.

It's like this picture I saw. On one half, it was the iPhone with the Apple symbol on it, and on the other half was the exact same iPhone but with Sony instead of the Apple symbol. Comments on the Sony side would be things like overpiced, there are things better that are cheaper, and so on. But on the other side with the Apple symbol, the comments were things like gotta have and the coolest thing ever, ect.

Is that what people have become?Pure fanboys just because of a name, where as something else that is the exact same but with a different brand name is completely horrid? What is wrong with some of you people is all I want to know.

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It's all about branding your name. Creating an image. Sony has been making lots of blunders in the marketing department. So it makes them an easy target for fanboys. That really applies to any brand. Slip up too many times, and the fanboys attack!

You can see this was cleverly planned, with the M$ screwup news, but still Europe is actually well and truely lost now to SOny, it use to be a major part of the PS2 reign, but with the stupid price for it here, and it being late, and other factors, and the 360 and wii just beign so much cheaper, and having a great deal of better games. This is a smart move taht it is only for America. But i fear that they are already out of this consol war, with the stupid price. The even more stupid thing is thta the consol will not get any perminate lower cost cuts because it is already the cheapest BR player

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You can see this was cleverly planned, with the M$ screwup news, but still Europe is actually well and truely lost now to SOny, it use to be a major part of the PS2 reign, but with the stupid price for it here, and it being late, and other factors, and the 360 and wii just beign so much cheaper, and having a great deal of better games. This is a smart move taht it is only for America. But i fear that they are already out of this consol war, with the stupid price. The even more stupid thing is thta the consol will not get any perminate lower cost cuts because it is already the cheapest BR player

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This is my whole point with the PS3,world wide its not doing so well why pricing and it being tardy sony is screwing up not just once or twice like MS but its nearly every other thing, all they are doign is damaging the brand for what? to save money in the short run?

The BWC update for 360 was announced at E3, and is on Major Nelson's blog. As I understand it, the updates are already out there to play these games.

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neat,its good to see its not dropped yet, I hope they keep whacking away at it,even tho they (like sony) have saids its not important to them.

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walmart has the cheapest br player now

Found something that should add to the confusion

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/1...-clarification/


the PS3 blog (witch everyone should take with a grain of salt considering sonys PR machine) says its not a clearance price drop but the 80GB units will have it too.

Actual im willing to bet this was Sony plan to combat the 360 price drop coming this holiday season.Sony going to sell the 80 gig ver for 400 i heard from some place but on top of that your going to get Motorstorm & the 2 new rumble controllers.I'm willing to bet they going to do this this coming holiday season.If they do it would kill 360 because you getting even more value for your dollars than the 360.

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Actually, PS3 isnt that good with BWC anyways because you need the PS3 controllers or the control adapters and the memory card adapters to transfer saved data. I personally would just use the PS2 for PS2 and PS1 games anyways, its a console that works, is cheap and doesn't act as a heater.

I haven't gotten the PS3 yet,but I want to take advantage of this price drop.
My question is this, I this new chip going to better or is the current system out now better?

Should I buy now or just wait?

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I haven't gotten the PS3 yet,but I want to take advantage of this price drop.
My question is this, I this new chip going to better or is the current system out now better?

Should I buy now or just wait?

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I am a big PlayStation fan and I usually don't talk bad about the systems but I think Sony just screwed up with the PS3. Backwards compatibility sucks because you need special controllers and memory card adapters (I noticed PS3 controllers analog stick turning isn't good with PS1 games on the game Crash Team Racing). Just wait for it, my friend bought one with the price drop and his was manufactured in 2006 with firmware 1.51. They aren't selling that well. PS3 60GBs should be on store shelves till Christmas.

all sieg heil, sony pr and price fixing

how can they be selling the 80gig for $599 when it costs less to make than the 60gig as the new "improved" ps3 has had the emotion engine removed screwing backwards compatibility on your side of the pond now.

is there any depths that sony pr won't sink to?

you have David Reeves stating that the jump from the 60 to 80 gig is too little then you have the other monkey phil harrison saying that the 80gig in the us is great for heavy downloaders:

Great BBC Video Of Phil Monkey Harison CLICK TO WATCH!

saying how they lower the cost to be competitive is the way to go and this is apparently the "way to go" and no mention of the removal of US 80gig hardware the emotion engine so now American can suffer the glitches we suffer in Europe now.

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http://www.scee.presscentre.com/Content/...31&NewsAreaID=2

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i'm sure everyone remembers http://lik-sang.com/ and the sony price fixing lawyers!

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I think sony is goign to do a bundle set 2 games 2 controllers for the 80 GB no EEchip PS3 it boggles the mind tho if they released it minus the extras at a 350-450 price point sony would have fing won.

Sony is full of sht heads,the PS3 needs to be under 500USD world wide to sale well,keep damaging your brand and wasting billions when a lower price would have made you loss 50-70% less...

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i think its a good move for sony.. people complain it was too expensive, so they cut the price and also got rid of their old units.

they have said over and over that they cant afford to cut the price much. so they are just reiterating that statement. The price cuts have to be temporary, but they made them to please the consumer. temporary is still better than nothing right?

people complain about not getting a price cut. then sony says hey can offer a temprary one, and people complain even more?

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i think its a good move for sony.. people complain it was too expensive, so they cut the price and also got rid of their old units.

they have said over and over that they cant afford to cut the price much. so they are just reiterating that statement. The price cuts have to be temporary, but they made them to please the consumer. temporary is still better than nothing right?

people complain about not getting a price cut. then sony says hey can offer a temprary one, and people complain even more?

i hate complainers.

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And I hate people that don't understand that if they do no lower the price and get it in homes devs and games will leave it like a sinking ship,or have you not been paying any attention to the rats leaving?


they are much better off to take 2 billion in losses head on than to wait it out and lose rep and games to other systems than to implode on self or to be forced out,now is not a time to be blind.

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My point has always been over 500 is to much to sale the system well,at 500 it would do better at 400 it would do greatly(potentially out selling the WII),sony should have known better than to sale it for more than 500USD world wide.

with the 80GB unit going back up to 600 I don't think 2 games and 2 controllers would help it much,but at least its a start,sony really needs a solid core unit at 400$(no wifi/card reader/ect) ,altho at this point and time their bed is made they would do better to just go for 400-450 put it there and don't move the price for 2 or 3 years...

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i think its a good move for sony.. people complain it was too expensive, so they cut the price and also got rid of their old units.


I would say you guys in the states are very lucky with the price you pay for the PS3. Here in Ireland we have to shell out the equivalent of $950+ and we get a shitty game and a controller. Also our price cut isn't due until november.

they have said over and over that they cant afford to cut the price much. so they are just reiterating that statement. The price cuts have to be temporary, but they made them to please the consumer. temporary is still better than nothing right?

people complain about not getting a price cut. then sony says hey can offer a temprary one, and people complain even more?

i hate complainers.

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And I hate people that don't understand that if they do no lower the price and get it in homes devs and games will leave it like a sinking ship,or have you not been paying any attention to the rats leaving?


they are much better off to take 2 billion in losses head on than to wait it out and lose rep and games to other systems than to implode on self or to be forced out,now is not a time to be blind.

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I agree with jetyi, not you. Im the bloody comsumer, and i want a lower price. This benefits ME which is what i care about at hte this point and not THEM who are already raking in the cash.

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My point has always been over 500 is to much to sale the system well,at 500 it would do better at 400 it would do greatly(potentially out selling the WII),sony should have known better than to sale it for more than 500USD world wide.

with the 80GB unit going back up to 600 I don't think 2 games and 2 controllers would help it much,but at least its a start,sony really needs a solid core unit at 400$(no wifi/card reader/ect) ,altho at this point and time their bed is made they would do better to just go for 400-450 put it there and don't move the price for 2 or 3 years...

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I am a big PlayStation fan and I usually don't talk bad about the systems but I think Sony just screwed up with the PS3. Backwards compatibility sucks because you need special controllers and memory card adapters (I noticed PS3 controllers analog stick turning isn't good with PS1 games on the game Crash Team Racing). Just wait for it, my friend bought one with the price drop and his was manufactured in 2006 with firmware 1.51. They aren't selling that well. PS3 60GBs should be on store shelves till Christmas.

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Backwards compatibility is far from perfect but they've done a good job on it so far I've tried 30+ PS2 games and more than that in PS1 games and all have worked flawlessly most of which a major selling games. Theres no "special controllers" needed and the MC adapters are only needed if you want to transfer files from old memory cards. And I personally think that the handling of CTR (great game BTW) is better on the PS3, it feels more realistic (not really the word Im after but...)

Another thing I dont get is people that are bitching about the fact that instead of a price drop they are doing bundle deals, what the hell is the difference? So you people would prefer to pay for every individual item, than get a deal that has a few $$ off each item making it overall cheaper? And as for the people going on about the price, seriously, is there anything that you wouldnt want cheaper? people always want something for nothing, and the fact that Sony are taking a hit for every system sold why cant they try save them selves a bit of cash?
Adding a game to a system bundle would be bloody cheap for them to do, would cost less than $1 to press the disc and some small extra amount for the dev's. Thats where they should try saving money, not dropping hardware.

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Another thing I dont get is people that are bitching about the fact that instead of a price drop they are doing bundle deals, what the hell is the difference? So you people would prefer to pay for every individual item, than get a deal that has a few $$ off each item making it overall cheaper? And as for the people going on about the price, seriously, is there anything that you wouldnt want cheaper? people always want something for nothing, and the fact that Sony are taking a hit for every system sold why cant they try save them selves a bit of cash?
Adding a game to a system bundle would be bloody cheap for them to do, would cost less than $1 to press the disc and some small extra amount for the dev's. Thats where they should try saving money, not dropping hardware.

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Agreed. What is the difference? A person is not going to buy a console with no games. All Sony is doing is minimizing their profit loss by shifting things around.

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Another thing I dont get is people that are bitching about the fact that instead of a price drop they are doing bundle deals, what the hell is the difference? So you people would prefer to pay for every individual item, than get a deal that has a few $$ off each item making it overall cheaper? And as for the people going on about the price, seriously, is there anything that you wouldnt want cheaper? people always want something for nothing, and the fact that Sony are taking a hit for every system sold why cant they try save them selves a bit of cash?
Adding a game to a system bundle would be bloody cheap for them to do, would cost less than $1 to press the disc and some small extra amount for the dev's. Thats where they should try saving money, not dropping hardware.

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Agreed. What is the difference? A person is not going to buy a console with no games. All Sony is doing is minimizing their profit loss by shifting things around.

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maybe, you don't want two soon to be outdated controllers and limited on games choice maybe ppl want to pick up a ps3 as cheap as possible and have a choice of games or second hand/rental games and not be tied into a pathetic relaunch bundle!

btw japan has had 2 price cuts and america 1 but euro has not had any cut in the already high price of the ps3, sony need to do something to tempt 3rd party developers and a bigger userbase is the way to do this, and as in my previous post with the video link of phil explaining that a price cut is sony being loyal to gamers and offering them the lowest price of the latest technology, but it seems they are far from loyal to europe yet again!

remember http://www.lik-sang.com/ and sony's price fixing in europe?

i miss lik-sang
its a damn shame they are gone :<