Steve Jobs still hates Blu-ray

LOL...he is totally cracked! He can't seem to reason that someone might want to buy something; better to just rent it from iTunes...or watch it in even lower quality (and with advertising) from Hulu...assuming you want to watch anything on hulu, that is. Apparently he also thinks that everyone on earth has reliable, high speed internet, and they don't mind gumming it up to watch a low quality rip of a movie...and he also must think that people will actually pay for a crummy rip that can only be watched once, rather than just getting it from a torrent for free, and watching it whenever they want!

"Blu-ray is looking more and more like one of the high end audio formats that appeared as the successor to the CD - like it will be beaten by Internet downloadable formats"
-Those "successors to cds" were all still on CDs! That is why they failed...well, that and the fact that no one seems to care about audio quality...a fact proven by the huge sales of low quality iTunes tracks.

It is rather amazing what happens to a man when he is given power and praise for too long...Steve has far too many "yes men" around him. What Steve says is law for apple...and Steve only sees apple, so he has started to think that all he must do to make something happen is to declare it...but it does not work so well with the outside world...out here, we have been watching blurays for years, and they have won the war with HD-DVD...it is the new standard, and it is a lot better than anything else currently available. We can watch and burn with ease...and I am rather shocked that Steve is so isolated from reality that he has not even seen a bluray yet (if he had, he would know that 720p itunes rentals look like crap when put up against a 1080p bluray.) Then again, maybe he is just loosing his eyesight; that might explain why he can't see the yellow in iphone4 screens. To him, anything over 640x480 is just worthless resolution.

steve job is a F****ing idiot that makes no sense what so ever. Look at the difference between Cd, DVD and Blue ray you ****ing idiot. You and your dislike crap, there is a major difference between all that. It is okay steve, we all no u are a retard who can't do everything PERFECT like you think it is, the reception with the iphone? yea, thats sad, no flash, no battery removable, no nothing, no blueray, and just stick with dvd when blue ray now is taking over? i swear, why does crapple do so well....why can't they just see that they are so self center p.o.s

They do well because their followers tend to be mindless sheep who will buy anything.

I have been in forums for apple guys...it is downright insane what they are willing to buy. I was in one forum about a week before a "big announcement" from Apple. No details of what the device might be, just that there would be a new device, or service, or something. People were posting things like, "I don't care what it is, I want it!" and "I've got $1000, I hope that is enough to buy whatever it is"...I think it ended up being some kind of crummy dvr-wannabe that didn't work with cable...and it still sold well!

that dude just needs to get some p***y..get his head straight

personally i will be over the moon once the hardware crippling Orwellian DRM forced on us all because of BluRay by the scum bag media companies have vanished forever, sony, disney, news corp (fox), etc.

these scum companies have a lot to answer for shafting the entire world and forcing everyone to upgrade their entire audio video hardware, even forcing ppl twice because of hdcp from the same arse hats!

Jobs does what he thinks is best - doesn't listen to customers.

Blu-Ray would be amazing on a Mac but because he likes to make everything HIS way then that idea is scrapped.

Steve jobs is just an anus...

The thing is....he's right.

Blu-ray film sales have grown but have not matched DVD's year on year doubling sales growth each year (and DVD did that for 4yrs straight).

They are indeed a niche high-end item - with some game console support tacked on.

It's also clear that PC Blu-ray optical drives and blank media is going nowhere.
Hard drives simply cannot be beaten for $/gb - and their reliability these days is excellent.

I'm tired of hearing apple news that company get too much attention and IMO its a very irrelevant organization. Apple has always done things in a messed up way that will NEVER change. Then the media and apple heads twists things to make it seems as if apple is the ultimate and they lead in every department.
Fact: iOS is not the most popular smart phone OS in the world its still symbian.
Fact: apple has not, cannot, will not, out sell Blackberry to be smart phone market leader.
Fact (not an opinion a true fact): Android(2.2) is NOW superior to iOS in every respect.
Fact: Android is the successor to the smart phone OS throne simply because Google were smart enough (like MS back in the day) to create an OS that other people can make money off of too and not hog the hardware and software sales (not doing that sunk Mac to the bottom of the pile where is still resides).
Fact: Applology is a cult headed by jobs with and evil agenda and the selfless worship at the shrine of Jobs.

Originally posted by Interestx:

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The thing is....he's right.

Blu-ray film sales have grown but have not matched DVD's year on year doubling sales growth each year (and DVD did that for 4yrs straight).

They are indeed a niche high-end item - with some game console support tacked on.

It's also clear that PC Blu-ray optical drives and blank media is going nowhere.
Hard drives simply cannot be beaten for $/gb - and their reliability these days is excellent.

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For enthusiasts like myself, Blu-Ray is great. Truth is most people aren't educated enough about HD. There are HD sets out there, but even in restaurants and bars, they are showing SD content stretched/panned and people that know no better say "look at that picture". Bwah. The cable companies are no better either, and face it, some people are too cheap or unknowledgeable to connect their HD set top box to their HDTV via the correct HDMI or component video cables.

It's ignorance that has stagnated the Blu movement. With DVD, just plug in the box and we don't have to rewind tapes! Amazing, let's all get one! That was the mentality; little or no effort for the upgrade, plus great benefits. I'm sure many with DVD players still don't get the full potential use out of them!

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So true... I know people stream on-line contents on HDTVs, but man, that's like driving a car to your neighbor's house (not that you can't).

someone needs to take his kool aid away hes not living in the real world anymore.

My wife bought me a new plasma tv for last Christmas. First thing I did was go out and buy an HDMI cable for my PS3. My old tv was 720p. Blu-Ray at 1080p was a huge difference! Steve is an idiot.

Yet still jerks insist that graphics are still best on a Mac.


My point is that that was true in the 90s but now Macs play catch up. Note: There is no difference in the graphic hardware used. (I personally have a HD 5970 and I'm building a render workstation with a Quadro "professional" card.) The high-end graphics programs are cross platform. I guess if I wanted to pay twice as much for half as much power...

People can slam Apple & Jobs all they like but it remains true that apple and 'i' anything has a massive market to itself and huge influence.

It looks like Apple's just said no to Blu-ray and, like Microsoft, will concentrate on downloads and streaming.
That is the real world.

I'm not bothered.
I've seen great Blu-ray and I've seen so-so Blu-ray.
Just like I've seen great broadcast HD TV and so-so HD TV.
It's certainly not all ' jaw dropping stuff'.

Jobs is use to stealing technology or others ideas so paying for a Blu-Ray license isn't in the cards as far as he is concerned. This is why Blu-Ray is so complicated, not because it is a bad format, it isn't of course.

It's now wonder that DVD has still got the market share over BD, as BD is still too new. Everyone has a DVD player and has had it for some time, rentals at RedBox are $1, so it is a no brainer. Even if you have a BD player your still going to rent DVD's as well. The margin continues to close, but it won't be long and DVD's will be like VHS. Wait a minute you can still buy VHS combo players so what does that say? VHS is still around. I have friend that still use it, hard to believe but true. Ten years ago I couldn’t whatch a VHS if you paid me but some think it is OK still. My cousins wife says she can't tell the difference between SD and HD but then it suits her as she is cheap and doesn't want to pay for HD service.

Originally posted by Interestx:

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I've seen great Blu-ray and I've seen so-so Blu-ray.
Just like I've seen great broadcast HD TV and so-so HD TV.
It's certainly not all ' jaw dropping stuff'.

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You're right. I bought a full HDTV and Blu-Ray player in December, with mixed results in the movies I've purchased. The best looking HD movies by far are movies like Ice Age, Up!, Wall-E, and so on. New movies such as Transformers 2 look great too, but you take older movies like Rambo and Resevior Dogs, and they look like DVD quality. I've yet to see a Blu-Ray movie with actual actors, not CG characters, blow me away.

I'm not with Steve Jobs but i read that movie downloads is beating blueRay movies. Netflix said that XB360 is a mine of gold.

well he doesn't own a physical standard format does he, but he does digital distribution, so his comments are predictable.

oh and steve your quicktime aint all that my friend.... if anything people avoid it (which is made hard by good old free thinking ste who hates monopolies in software like ... i donno adobe)

ok. cool. he dont like blu-ray...f### em, then. so the point is that MS is still king of kings and you APPLE ar CRAPPLE SHEEPLE WARE...GO steal some more ideas...cough...oh yeah bill did that to...who cares, we all borrow ideas, everything is open source...well might as well be..!!!! ! !

i have a NOOBiE question. Can you buy an external BLU-RAY disc drive for a macintosh computer? i honestly don't know the answer to that question! mostly because its been many years since i used an apple computer and or/ product...since 2003 was the last time for me..

go make an expansion pack for apple! haha for blu-ray! :D (if if alrady don't have)

...and peace-out but, the thing is that if you haven't seen a movie called LEON THE PROFESSIONAL in 1080p on a kick-ass high end tv...you're missing out. and fyi thats not an animation-based movie at all! so there is at least 1 good hi-def real movie ;)

Most likely steave is just playing with sony. They dont want to pay those high license fees to sony so they are waiting that prize to go down. As for steves comment, NO i don't want to "steam" my hd movies. if they are like 20-10g like blu-ray movies are then that would mean long buffer times. Getting 20-10 gb in 1-2hour would require fairly good connection, that most ppl dont have.

Maybe someone should tell Steve that Internet quality and bandwidth caps are getting worse, not better. In a couple years, no-one will be able to afford a movie download because the overages are going to be insane. Mailing Blu-rays is the future of media distribution!

Originally posted by Interestx:

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The thing is....he's right.

Blu-ray film sales have grown but have not matched DVD's year on year doubling sales growth each year (and DVD did that for 4yrs straight).

They are indeed a niche high-end item - with some game console support tacked on.

It's also clear that PC Blu-ray optical drives and blank media is going nowhere.
Hard drives simply cannot be beaten for $/gb - and their reliability these days is excellent.

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I think it's a bit early to make a comparison. I don't believe that it's an apples to apples argument.

For starters, I've noticed that non-new release DVD prices are being cut significantly while new releases are still hovering around the $20 mark. Most likely those with extended feature, double discs etc;

The flip-side to that argument is that it's possible to pickup movies recently released in the Blu-Ray format for around $15; new releases still average $25-$20.

As for Blu-Ray media costs, it can be bought for around $2 per disc online: http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=668575011

The transitioning from one media to another has almost certainly followed the same pattern of adoption as earlier technologies (CD-R & DVD). Introduction with hardware and media prices is initially very high yet eventually falls inline with the current price range of the media it is proposed to replace.

If your old enough, maybe you recall when CD writing capabilities came to the PC world (Circa 1993?)? The media averaged no less than $5 per disc initially.

Though DVD writers are fairly inexpensive to warrant being standard issue today; it's the same story when they initially hit the market for consumers. I recall the first DVD Writer i owned; a SONY external drive w/USB & Firewire which ran close to $400; the media costs were a whallop to the wallet too. I don't believe that to be the case presently.

Anywhooo... just my two cents worth.

Originally posted by davidike:

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personally i will be over the moon once the hardware crippling Orwellian DRM forced on us all because of BluRay by the scum bag media companies have vanished forever, sony, disney, news corp (fox), etc.

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Agreed; I hate DRM...that is why I love blurays...it is easy to remove the DRM; unlike Apple formats...

Originally posted by oappi:

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Most likely steave is just playing with sony. They dont want to pay those high license fees to sony so they are waiting that prize to go down. As for steves comment, NO i don't want to "steam" my hd movies. if they are like 20-10g like blu-ray movies are then that would mean long buffer times. Getting 20-10 gb in 1-2hour would require fairly good connection, that most ppl dont have.

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Sony does not own bluray; no licensing fees are paid to Sony. They were one of the several companies involved in the creation of bluray, and the PS3 has done more for bluray than all other players combined, but Sony does not own BluRay.

Originally posted by 6Ripper9:

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You're right. I bought a full HDTV and Blu-Ray player in December, with mixed results in the movies I've purchased. The best looking HD movies by far are movies like Ice Age, Up!, Wall-E, and so on. New movies such as Transformers 2 look great too, but you take older movies like Rambo and Resevior Dogs, and they look like DVD quality. I've yet to see a Blu-Ray movie with actual actors, not CG characters, blow me away.

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Have you seen the new star trek movie? The opening fight scene looks like a war between globs of pixels on a DVD; it looks like it should on bluray. Yes, the actors themselves look no better (in fact, the higher detail often makes them look worse), but there is more to a movie than the actors; a fact proven by the high sales of movies with terrible actors.

Originally posted by Interestx:

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It's also clear that PC Blu-ray optical drives and blank media is going nowhere.
Hard drives simply cannot be beaten for $/gb - and their reliability these days is excellent.

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The problem with that is that it is only larger hard drives that fit that description...a 50GB hard drive will cost more than a 50GB bluray, and it would be more fragile too. Therefor, hard drives are useless for content distribution.

Downloads are great in theory, but that is a very dangerous game. Once people realize that their internet connection is fast enough to download movies (assuming it is), and they are forced to download movies anyway, then why bother paying for them?

Mr Jobs can just keep living in his Ivory tower; I am sure that the apple zombies will keep him fed with baby seal brain for as long as he lives. The rest of us will use Android, and laugh at the fools. Even once we all do go to download-only movies, we will still be laughing at the Apple guys...by then Steve will have made another hundred insane blunders; at the rate he is going, it won't be long before Apple releases an iPhone that does not work with any network. He will justify it by saying, "All the current networks are bad; this phone is only compatible with networks from the future!" It might sound like a stretch, but let us remember that Steve is the guy who does not want Flash because HTML5 is better, and it should be dominant sometime in the next decade; assuming Adobe makes no improvements...and they will!

True BD has not taken the market like everyone says. Look at some of the studios now, with every BD movie you get a DVD copy with it. have seen lots of so-so DB movies and was not impressed.
go back to the Beta VHS movement, Beta was the far better format but everyone said get a VHS and we can tape with our machines, not knowing about copyright protections.you could tape Beta to VHS and back. It was the mentality.
same thing here DVD HD was a better format but to slow, just as Beta was.
who will pay $20 for a BD blank media. and that is cheap, I have seen them way more than that.

I agree, only a fool would pay $20 for a BDR; you can get 20 Verbatim 25GB discs for $33 shipped...that is less than $2 each; even high-end 50GB disks go for $10-$13 each depending on how many you get at once.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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I agree, only a fool would pay $20 for a BDR; you can get 20 Verbatim 25GB discs for $33 shipped...that is less than $2 each; even high-end 50GB disks go for $10-$13 each depending on how many you get at once.

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I dunno I can get 15 25GB discs for 30$..... I could get 50DL discs for as much but I like the BR more....

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Have you seen the new star trek movie? The opening fight scene looks like a war between globs of pixels on a DVD; it looks like it should on bluray.

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I don't know why I find this so funny but you actually made me LoL KB...hey wait a second KB...Kevin Butler...naaaaah!

Yeah...you can get cheaper stuff; I would just rather have the peace of mind that a verbatim gives me; 25GB is a lot of data to loose.

Dude needs to lay off the crack .

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Yeah...you can get cheaper stuff; I would just rather have the peace of mind that a verbatim gives me; 25GB is a lot of data to loose.

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I remember remarking to Zippy about how cheap big USB HDD were nowadays... but on reflection I find that the loon ;) admittedly had a point... shock horror! (Just kidding Zip.) The blank BR media and burners are getting a lot cheaper too just like blank DVDs did.

So it's up to what you want and it jolts my wagon that Jobs (a euphemism we had as kids for taking a dump) patronisingly dictates that the consumer should have limited choices as far his poots (and other IT devices) are concerned. If I was a Machead I would be asking, "Well, why can't I have BR on my overpriced underpowered status symbol if I want, I paid enough... they (the unwashed) do? Heck, I can hardly play any games on it as it is! It just frotters my clacker!". I guess they would rather bleat, "Charge me more, it looks good!"

You're supposed to be able to edit homemade HD on a Mac, yet you can't burn off a copy to send in the post to play on, say, your grandmother's PS3. Good one Jobbo.

Man, I would love to been a fly on the wall at those Mac forums you hung out at Killer.. dig the spot-on vitriol. Was the ban hammer swung by the fanboy mods? Here's a good one... A few months ago I was listening to the radio and there was this advertising guru being interviewed about his sophisticated research methods. He would subject people to a PET scan and ask them about how they felt about various brands and products. Typically when Macheads were asked to think about the Mac/Apple brand the areas of the brain typically associated with religious reverence would light up like a Christmas tree... I kid you not. Haha.


To those arguing about the quality of 1080p movies. Whilst CG animation looks good in any format it comes down to the mastering of an ordinary movie to make it look good. And that seems to be an art. As evidenced by the excellent BR version of District9 for instance. I've seen it at the movies and I saw it at home on the 50" and both times it looked just fabulous. You will not pick up the difference on a small screen as much and it's most noticeable on medium to long shots where the detail just jumps out.


@elitepunk... seem to remember something about having to load Win XP or 7 under Bootstrap or somesuch to use a BR usb drive on them... but I could be wrong. Don't you reckon having Bootstrap on the Mac is a tacit admission of something anyway? Even my CAD lecturer runs Autodesk's Inventor under it~ a Mac was forced on him by the college. Mac has a policy of offering discount or free products to high-profile situations like unis/colleges and movie/TV shows~ yep, I've seen the actual contract on program called Media Watch here in Oz, "No product shall be shown in a negative light blah blah blah etc....".

Originally posted by RastaDave:

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Dude needs to lay off the crack .

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Is that the chemical or the plumber's? :P

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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I heard that damnit ...and thats MR loon to you oh wait you female and smart thats equals hot and awesome so I can;t complain abotu you talking about me LOL

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HDs are cheaper but IMO are useless if you can not turn them off(how many on/offs can it take before eating data?)......BR seems to be the better long term option.

Least till flash gets to be 200GB for 30$ a shot then it wont matter if the write cycles are limited.

Originally posted by 6Ripper9:

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Originally posted by Interestx:

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I've seen great Blu-ray and I've seen so-so Blu-ray.
Just like I've seen great broadcast HD TV and so-so HD TV.
It's certainly not all ' jaw dropping stuff'.

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You're right. I bought a full HDTV and Blu-Ray player in December, with mixed results in the movies I've purchased. The best looking HD movies by far are movies like Ice Age, Up!, Wall-E, and so on. New movies such as Transformers 2 look great too, but you take older movies like Rambo and Resevior Dogs, and they look like DVD quality. I've yet to see a Blu-Ray movie with actual actors, not CG characters, blow me away.

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Based on my experiences I would have to agree with your assessment regarding old tiles released on Blu-ray. I rented The Godfather on Blu-Ray from Netflix, with expectations for pristine video. To my disappointment, the Blu-ray version looked inferior in quality to the DVD version. Of course that doesn't always hold true. I also rented North by Northwest and was very pleased with the quality. I can only assume that there's no standard for filming the original in high quality film or for some titles degradation of the masters may factor in.

That said, for me there's not a compelling reason to try upgrade all of the older DVD titles with Blu-Ray titles. As for anything newly released, oh yeah I'll buy it on Blu-ray if it's an action movie and is marked at $20 or less... though I usually by them used via Amazon or just wait for a few months for Blockbuster and other video stores to start selling their rentals off.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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HDs are cheaper but IMO are useless if you can not turn them off(how many on/offs can it take before eating data?)......BR seems to be the better long term option.

Least till flash gets to be 200GB for 30$ a shot then it wont matter if the write cycles are limited.

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Awp... two sensible statements as in many posts... you going for a record there Zip?

But I do wonder about the longevity of homeburnt BR discs. With blank DVDs, if you want ones that last more than 10 years you have to get special archive quality ones... and they're rather more expensive.

Originally posted by SProdigy:

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Originally posted by Interestx:

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The thing is....he's right.

Blu-ray film sales have grown but have not matched DVD's year on year doubling sales growth each year (and DVD did that for 4yrs straight).

They are indeed a niche high-end item - with some game console support tacked on.

It's also clear that PC Blu-ray optical drives and blank media is going nowhere.
Hard drives simply cannot be beaten for $/gb - and their reliability these days is excellent.

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For enthusiasts like myself, Blu-Ray is great. Truth is most people aren't educated enough about HD. There are HD sets out there, but even in restaurants and bars, they are showing SD content stretched/panned and people that know no better say "look at that picture". Bwah. The cable companies are no better either, and face it, some people are too cheap or unknowledgeable to connect their HD set top box to their HDTV via the correct HDMI or component video cables.

It's ignorance that has stagnated the Blu movement. With DVD, just plug in the box and we don't have to rewind tapes! Amazing, let's all get one! That was the mentality; little or no effort for the upgrade, plus great benefits. I'm sure many with DVD players still don't get the full potential use out of them!

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I agree Jobs is a dickhead, but BR is still not worth it, I still can't see much difference in picture quality on sets 40 inch and under.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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LOL...he is totally cracked! He can't seem to reason that someone might want to buy something; better to just rent it from iTunes...or watch it in even lower quality (and with advertising) from Hulu...assuming you want to watch anything on hulu, that is. Apparently he also thinks that everyone on earth has reliable, high speed internet, and they don't mind gumming it up to watch a low quality rip of a movie...and he also must think that people will actually pay for a crummy rip that can only be watched once, rather than just getting it from a torrent for free, and watching it whenever they want!

"Blu-ray is looking more and more like one of the high end audio formats that appeared as the successor to the CD - like it will be beaten by Internet downloadable formats"
-Those "successors to cds" were all still on CDs! That is why they failed...well, that and the fact that no one seems to care about audio quality...a fact proven by the huge sales of low quality iTunes tracks.

It is rather amazing what happens to a man when he is given power and praise for too long...Steve has far too many "yes men" around him. What Steve says is law for apple...and Steve only sees apple, so he has started to think that all he must do to make something happen is to declare it...but it does not work so well with the outside world...out here, we have been watching blurays for years, and they have won the war with HD-DVD...it is the new standard, and it is a lot better than anything else currently available. We can watch and burn with ease...and I am rather shocked that Steve is so isolated from reality that he has not even seen a bluray yet (if he had, he would know that 720p itunes rentals look like crap when put up against a 1080p bluray.) Then again, maybe he is just loosing his eyesight; that might explain why he can't see the yellow in iphone4 screens. To him, anything over 640x480 is just worthless resolution.

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Just FYI. ALL digital downloads are crap as compared to analog sound. Digital sound is just a sample of an analog sound. After working with a friend to add low end frequencies to his album the record label told us that unless it was going to be recorded on an analog source and distributed on an analog source we were wasting our time because recording and producing it digitally would not play the frequencies. Most CD players can not play a lot of the frequencies we had already recorded anyway, especially if some one had spent less than $500 for a CD player.

As far as some people not having high enough download speeds to stream or download HD movies, so what. Apparently Jobs thinks there is enough of a market to make this a success that he does not care. I mean between the iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad Apple has sold tens of millions of units. So apparently there is enough bandwidth out there. I like the fact that he is not looking to the past or waiting for people to catch up to technology, he is moving forward. I am tired of people dragging their feet when it comes to technology and I, like Jobs, am also ready to move forward. I have enough bandwidth and I am not worried about people who do not. People in my area can get high speed internet for $15 a month.

$15 a Month!! wow!! where the hell do you guys live?

If digital downloads are the big thing why the hell dont you have HDMI atleast.

i like dvd because they can be fixed, plus many titles wont reach blu ray for years, im not buying the same film again, and alot of my dvds are rare, to very rare, so when some idiots part with their dvds for the snobbery of owning blu ray, they will find titles they wished they never got rid of,because this happend with vhs, and early films werent made in digital format, they are remasterd to great print, not everyone wants blu ray because not everyones eye sight is perfect and wont notice the difference which is a waste of money.