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Wii U discs will be single-layer 25GB 'proprietary' Discs

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 09 Jun 2011 14:32 User comments (58)

Wii U discs will be single-layer 25GB 'proprietary' Discs Nintendo's Katsuya Eguchi has confirmed today that games for Nintendo's upcoming Wii U console will be on single-layer 25GB "proprietary" discs.
The PlayStation 3 uses Blu-ray discs, mainly single layer, but some games have been put on dual-layer 50GB discs.

When asked, Eguchi denied to comment on the expected 8GB of internal flash memory in the Wii U, but did confirm that external USB drives would be supported.

At E3, Nintendo did not show off the console itself, but instead displayed the incredible new controller, which features a touchscreen and streaming capabilities.

The large controller has a 6.2-inch touchscreen and can work as a standalone gaming device, as well. There are two circle pads, a regular d-pad, shoulder buttons, rumble, a camera/speaker/mic and gyroscope/accelerometer sensors.

The Wii U controller offers gamers a chance to use the second screen for many activities, including catching/pitching the ball in Wii Sports, or even playing hide-and-seek with other controllers.

If you ever have to leave your HDTV, the controller can be used to continue the game, seamlessly, from a different room on the tablet screen.

Because of the seamless streaming, gamers can transfer the video they are watching on the tablet to the HDTV and enjoy on the larger screen. A full Web browser is included.

The controller also has games, like chess, checkers and few others showed off by Nintendo.

Because the controller comes with a stylus and editing program, it can be used as a graphics tablet for artists.

Finally, because of the camera, the tablet can be used to video chat with others.

Some of the technical specs of the new console include 1080p output, Six-channel PCM linear audio, internal memory with SD card/external HDD expansion. The Wii U is compatible with all Wii games, peripherals.

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58 user comments

19.6.2011 15:56

Sufficient IMO. Some of the best games out there fit on a single layer. I believe infamous 2 is only 14GB. FF XIII is over 40GB, but that's mainly movies.

29.6.2011 15:59
da funk
Unverified new user

wait a tick. doesnt sony own blueray disks though? but since wiiU will be using blueray disks then that means they don't entirely own the blueray copyright. thats what im assuming now. too lazy to do reaserch for maself.

39.6.2011 17:04

I can see sony taking money from Nintendo but I don't see Nintendo giving money to sony. I think Nintendo will have a disc that holds 25GB but it will not be blueray. Everyone into tech knows that there is more disc types out there, its not just cd dvd and blueray.

49.6.2011 17:07

Originally posted by themind:
I can see sony taking money from Nintendo but I don't see Nintendo giving money to sony. I think Nintendo will have a disc that holds 25GB but it will not be blueray. Everyone into tech knows that there is more disc types out there, its not just cd dvd and blueray.
Quote:
Nintendo's Katsuya Eguchi has confirmed today that games for Nintendo's upcoming Wii U console will be on single-layer 25GB Blu-ray Discs.

This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 09 Jun 2011 @ 17:08

59.6.2011 17:11

To clear up some things in this thread...Sony does NOT own Blu-ray, they are one of the founding members of the BDA, which includes a ton of companies like Apple, Samsung, Philips, Fox, Warner, Disney, LG and Intel (there are more, but Nintendo and Microsoft are not on that list).


69.6.2011 17:16

The original source article just mentions that "the system's proprietary disc format will hold 25 Gigabytes of data". They follow that with a casual mention that that matches up with the size of a single layer Blu-ray disc. I don't know that Eguchi actually confirmed that they were using Blu-ray technology.

79.6.2011 17:23

Quote:
That squares with our own reporting from before E3 and puts Nintendo in a good place to run games that fill up a single-layer 25GB Blu-Ray disc, the format used by current console king of large game discs, the PlayStation 3.

http://kotaku.com/5809713/wii-u-discs-will-be-25gb-in-size

89.6.2011 17:28

Someone should change the title of this news story. Some people might get uppity.

99.6.2011 17:54

Originally posted by DVDBack23:
To clear up some things in this thread...Sony does NOT own Blu-ray, they are one of the founding members of the BDA, which includes a ton of companies like Apple, Samsung, Philips, Fox, Warner, Disney, LG and Intel (there are more, but Nintendo and Microsoft are not on that list).
"Sony holds the most patents related to the disc design structure which potentially will garner them the highest profits on the technology. Where Panasonic gets paid for every player sold, Sony gets paid for every disc produced."

These are the founding members of Blu-ray witch founded BDA...
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Thomson

109.6.2011 22:32

Originally posted by themind:
Originally posted by DVDBack23:
To clear up some things in this thread...Sony does NOT own Blu-ray, they are one of the founding members of the BDA, which includes a ton of companies like Apple, Samsung, Philips, Fox, Warner, Disney, LG and Intel (there are more, but Nintendo and Microsoft are not on that list).
"Sony holds the most patents related to the disc design structure which potentially will garner them the highest profits on the technology. Where Panasonic gets paid for every player sold, Sony gets paid for every disc produced."

These are the founding members of Blu-ray witch founded BDA...
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Thomson
...And certainly not Apple; you can't even get a mac with a BluRay drive.


I still have my questions about this disk; they keep talking about it as a custom format, and now it only supports 25GB...is this going to be the Wii all over again...with a drive that can read movie disks and a firmware that blocks it?


119.6.2011 23:01

Originally posted by DVDBack23:
To clear up some things in this thread...Sony does NOT own Blu-ray, they are one of the founding members of the BDA, which includes a ton of companies like Apple, Samsung, Philips, Fox, Warner, Disney, LG and Intel (there are more, but Nintendo and Microsoft are not on that list).

I don't think you CAN clear up things to Sony haters (or ____ haters in general). If there's reason to hate, they just will, no matter any truth.

129.6.2011 23:34

Did he clear up that Nintendo was going to use Blu-ray or that they were going to use a 25GB disc? No one said sony owns Blu-ray. But I did say they make money off of every Blu-ray disc sold. No way is Nintendo going to give sony money, not because they both have consoles but because of the failed business deal in the mid 90's.
Still Nintendo did not confirm that they will be using Blu-ray.

1310.6.2011 2:46
chilloutguy
Unverified new user

Originally posted by themind:
Did he clear up that Nintendo was going to use Blu-ray or that they were going to use a 25GB disc? No one said sony owns Blu-ray. But I did say they make money off of every Blu-ray disc sold. No way is Nintendo going to give sony money, not because they both have consoles but because of the failed business deal in the mid 90's.
Still Nintendo did not confirm that they will be using Blu-ray.
Chill guy, the poster on top you asked if Sony owned Bluray and btw, maybe the OP is a bit misconstrued but do you know of any disc that ISNT bluray that can fit 25GB? be reasonable

1410.6.2011 3:58

uhm yeah.....hd dvd..... :P

1510.6.2011 4:34

The confusion is interesting, I'm surprised Blu-ray movie playback (if it is a feature) hasn't been mentioned so far - which leads me to think it is not.

They could well be using single layer Blu-ray discs to their own proprietary software designs and not enabling Blu-ray movie playback.
It is possible.

25gbs is plenty of space for now & well into the future for a console, that is if you are interested in the actual game and not a ton of the usual cheesy and soon to be very very boring cut video scenes.

1610.6.2011 5:53

From Nintendo's own website:

"Media: A single self-loading media bay will play 12-centimeter proprietary high-density optical discs for the new console, as well as 12-centimeter Wii optical discs."

Notice the word "proprietary" there?

1710.6.2011 6:04

Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
Originally posted by DVDBack23:
To clear up some things in this thread...Sony does NOT own Blu-ray, they are one of the founding members of the BDA, which includes a ton of companies like Apple, Samsung, Philips, Fox, Warner, Disney, LG and Intel (there are more, but Nintendo and Microsoft are not on that list).

I don't think you CAN clear up things to Sony haters (or ____ haters in general). If there's reason to hate, they just will, no matter any truth.
QFT.

1810.6.2011 13:22

Yeah it's the gamecube all over again...trying to put out a disc format that will be difficult to throw in a PC and duplicate. Not that there won't be a way to load images up on an external drive right away. Prob before the thing ships...lol


Just my $0.02,

dEwMe

1910.6.2011 17:51

Originally posted by Interestx:
The confusion is interesting, I'm surprised Blu-ray movie playback (if it is a feature) hasn't been mentioned so far - which leads me to think it is not.
They probably haven't figured out what to do with it yet, since they are exploring moving games from the big screen to the touchscreen. I could see the MPAA up in arms over making your Blu-Ray movie copy "portable" by moving it to the new controller and possibly taking it with you and showing friends.

Originally posted by Interestx:
25gbs is plenty of space for now & well into the future for a console, that is if you are interested in the actual game and not a ton of the usual cheesy and soon to be very very boring cut video scenes.
Oh yeah, very boring, especially the ones you can't skip. Boo.

2010.6.2011 20:58

It's not going to be Blu-ray. The story and the title of the story are miss quoted.

2111.6.2011 6:31

As I understand it, making a "BluRay" drive requires you to pay licensing fee(s)...but making the exact same drive with firmware that does not support movie disks is a different story. Nintendo probably cut bluray movie support to save $0.50 per system. This seems to make sense, as they did the same thing with the Wii...and they didn't even need to pay licensing fees for DVD.

Either that, or they know that their drives are crap...and that they won't last very long. In that case, they would intentionally block movie playback in order to allow the launch models to get out of warranty before the drives die. Before you go and call me a Nintendo hater for that comment, just look at the Wii; the build quality has actually dropped throughout the life of the system...it might be the first console in history that could claim that dubious honor. Clearly Nintendo is cutting corners from something that was already a circle.

...Or, this is all a big misprint and they really will have true bluray support, including 50GB disks and maybe even the 4+ layer disks that might be coming soon...if this is the case, then the system would be better than the PS3...at least if there were any games available other than the Mario/Zelda/Metroid/WiiSports collection that it will launch with and if the controller wasn't an iPhone with buttons glued to the sides.



2211.6.2011 11:19

Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by themind:
Originally posted by DVDBack23:
To clear up some things in this thread...Sony does NOT own Blu-ray, they are one of the founding members of the BDA, which includes a ton of companies like Apple, Samsung, Philips, Fox, Warner, Disney, LG and Intel (there are more, but Nintendo and Microsoft are not on that list).
"Sony holds the most patents related to the disc design structure which potentially will garner them the highest profits on the technology. Where Panasonic gets paid for every player sold, Sony gets paid for every disc produced."

These are the founding members of Blu-ray witch founded BDA...
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Thomson
...And certainly not Apple; you can't even get a mac with a BluRay drive.


I still have my questions about this disk; they keep talking about it as a custom format, and now it only supports 25GB...is this going to be the Wii all over again...with a drive that can read movie disks and a firmware that blocks it?
First off the original unit used a DVD player with a custom format, why would they change this it is part of their security, and they ONLY used single layer to begin with. But then went to dual layer down the road so the unit was capable of DVD9 as they stated just like now with BD's. Their launch of the blu-ray will be the same as they will start out using single layer and probably use dual layer later on.

And yes they may not support Movies but let's hope they do this time around. Without them coming out and stating such things I guess we will just have to wait and see.

And DVDBACK23 is absolutely correct Sony doesn't own the rights it is a group who shares the licensing but reguardless you just have to pay a licensing fee and your on your way. No evil empire here blocking the world from their properties, at least not this time.

2311.6.2011 12:18

Originally posted by KillerBug:
...And certainly not Apple; you can't even get a mac with a BluRay drive.
It's funny, Apple has been a BDA member for a long time, but Jobs refuses to embrace BD on macs, still. Not sure why.

Looking through the comments there is an apparent "uproar" from some members over my interpretation of Katsuya Eguchi's comments for the system. Until someone can explain to me how they are getting 25GB games onto discs that aren't Blu-ray (no HD-DVD doesn't count :P) then my interpretation will stand given the original sources, common sense and the leaked potential specs we have available to us.

The Wii DVD discs may have been "proprietary" but they were still DVDs.

2411.6.2011 12:44

Originally posted by DVDBack23:
To clear up some things in this thread...Sony does NOT own Blu-ray, they are one of the founding members of the BDA, which includes a ton of companies like Apple, Samsung, Philips, Fox, Warner, Disney, LG and Intel (there are more, but Nintendo and Microsoft are not on that list).
Exactly. Sony never own the rights to Blu-Ray, DVDBack is right. Go to Wikipedia. Question I have remaining is why only one WII U controller? I keep getting conflicting reports that yes there will be more the one "tablet" controller. What gives? Is Nintendo giving us the cold shoulder when it comes to multiplayer? I mean I like to play one-person games, but playing with a friend doesn't hurt either. - BLUEBOY

Chance prepares the favored mind. Look up once in a while and you might learn something. - BLUEBOY

2511.6.2011 13:26

"One of Nintendo‘s chief game designers let slip to Kotaku that the discs that will hold Wii U titles will be beefier than your average DVD. They are more like a Blu-ray disc, even though the drive won’t be a Blu-ray drive. They’ll be 25GB discs, and proprietary to Nintendo. That means not only did Nintendo release a new console yesterday, but they also invented a new optical storage technology just to go with it."

Link to full story.....
http://www.geek.com/articles/games/wii-u-discs-will-store-25gb-of-data-2011068/


I don't believe Sony OWNS Blu-Ray, but they sure pushed it harder than anyone.

2611.6.2011 13:45

I'm hoping that article is wrong as they make other mistakes but it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.

2711.6.2011 14:14

Originally posted by TreePro:
"One of Nintendo‘s chief game designers let slip to Kotaku that the discs that will hold Wii U titles will be beefier than your average DVD. They are more like a Blu-ray disc, even though the drive won’t be a Blu-ray drive. They’ll be 25GB discs, and proprietary to Nintendo. That means not only did Nintendo release a new console yesterday, but they also invented a new optical storage technology just to go with it."

Hmm, now THAT is interesting. Creating a whole new optical drive technology rather than pay minuscule licensing fees for an established brand? Not sure I agree with the theory.

2811.6.2011 18:50
WierdName
Inactive

Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
...And certainly not Apple; you can't even get a mac with a BluRay drive.
It's funny, Apple has been a BDA member for a long time, but Jobs refuses to embrace BD on macs, still. Not sure why.

Looking through the comments there is an apparent "uproar" from some members over my interpretation of Katsuya Eguchi's comments for the system. Until someone can explain to me how they are getting 25GB games onto discs that aren't Blu-ray (no HD-DVD doesn't count :P) then my interpretation will stand given the original sources, common sense and the leaked potential specs we have available to us.

The Wii DVD discs may have been "proprietary" but they were still DVDs.
While you very well may be right (or wrong), you should acknowledge it is, in fact, conjecture. If Eguchi didn't specifically say Blu-ray would be supported, you are putting words in his mouth by saying he did. He could describe every single specification of Blu-ray down to the molecular components of the disk and laser type, etc. But unless he specifically says "Blu-ray," one can't just say he said that. It needs a qualifier like "for all intents and purposes" or "practically." I have nothing invested in what format this Wii U uses, but I'd like to point out that the way this story is worded, it's falsely reporting something Eguchi said without providing any source or context to verify it.

Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
"Opinions are immunities to being told were wrong." - Relient K

2911.6.2011 19:18

Originally posted by WierdName:
Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
...And certainly not Apple; you can't even get a mac with a BluRay drive.
It's funny, Apple has been a BDA member for a long time, but Jobs refuses to embrace BD on macs, still. Not sure why.

Looking through the comments there is an apparent "uproar" from some members over my interpretation of Katsuya Eguchi's comments for the system. Until someone can explain to me how they are getting 25GB games onto discs that aren't Blu-ray (no HD-DVD doesn't count :P) then my interpretation will stand given the original sources, common sense and the leaked potential specs we have available to us.

The Wii DVD discs may have been "proprietary" but they were still DVDs.
While you very well may be right (or wrong), you should acknowledge it is, in fact, conjecture. If Eguchi didn't specifically say Blu-ray would be supported, you are putting words in his mouth by saying he did. He could describe every single specification of Blu-ray down to the molecular components of the disk and laser type, etc. But unless he specifically says "Blu-ray," one can't just say he said that. It needs a qualifier like "for all intents and purposes" or "practically." I have nothing invested in what format this Wii U uses, but I'd like to point out that the way this story is worded, it's falsely reporting something Eguchi said without providing any source or context to verify it.
It's a fact jack! or should I say WierdName.

Blu-ray Disc Association Welcomes Apple to Its Board of Directors

3011.6.2011 19:35
WierdName
Inactive

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
It's a fact jack! or should I say WierdName.

Blu-ray Disc Association Welcomes Apple to Its Board of Directors
I should have cleaned up the quotes. I was specifically addressing the claim that Katsuya Eguchi said the Wii U would use Blu-ray disks. I wasn't addressing the Apple/Blu-ray BoD issue.

Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
"Opinions are immunities to being told were wrong." - Relient K

3111.6.2011 19:45

Originally posted by WierdName:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
It's a fact jack! or should I say WierdName.

Blu-ray Disc Association Welcomes Apple to Its Board of Directors
I should have cleaned up the quotes. I was specifically addressing the claim that Katsuya Eguchi said the Wii U would use Blu-ray disks. I wasn't addressing the Apple/Blu-ray BoD issue.
Ya, I can't verify that but your right, is it fact or speculation?

Sorry I wasn't following you on that one.

3211.6.2011 20:44

Originally posted by WierdName:
While you very well may be right (or wrong), you should acknowledge it is, in fact, conjecture. If Eguchi didn't specifically say Blu-ray would be supported, you are putting words in his mouth by saying he did. He could describe every single specification of Blu-ray down to the molecular components of the disk and laser type, etc. But unless he specifically says "Blu-ray," one can't just say he said that. It needs a qualifier like "for all intents and purposes" or "practically." I have nothing invested in what format this Wii U uses, but I'd like to point out that the way this story is worded, it's falsely reporting something Eguchi said without providing any source or context to verify it.
Have edited to remove the speculation on my part, fair points all around.

3311.6.2011 23:40

Interesting development...

I wonder what the PS4 is gonna use, BDXL?

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3412.6.2011 0:09

Originally posted by epepper9:
Interesting development.

I wonder what the PS4 is gonna use, BDXL?
Do you think we will see a PS4 in the next decade? look at how long it took the PS2 to PS3 to develope.

3512.6.2011 0:12

with this new format nintendo is going to use. that will end piracy unless people rig up a hard drive to work on it.... or somehow a new drive for pc's comes out that can read it. we'll see! nothing is copy proof forever.

3612.6.2011 0:18

I would think the approach would be using the USB to connect the unit to the PC, but still there would need to be some type of translation table built or proggy. Much more difficult I'd say...

3712.6.2011 0:39

It doesn't matter what capacity or type of disk that Nintendo will use as its gaming medium for its next system, I will not make the same mistake in buying another Nintendo home console. I bought the WII year 1 , and I must say that I've only played a handful of games on it that were worth my time since its release.

Nintendo has had three chances to reclaim their dominance as a leader in the gaming industry since their highly acclaimed Super Nintendo/Famicom home console, and they have dropped the ball each time. It seems that their innovation (for which they are known for?!?) most always tends to fall flat, or is half baked, and then they try to come up with something new again as a replacement believing that their customer base will always buy into it just like they have always done before.

Back when I was an NES and SNES owner, and Shigeru Miyamoto was not highly recognized as a god as he is today, I had met him at the CES in Chicago way back in 1993 when Starfox had just been released. I had mentioned to him that though the gameplay was enthralling, the graphics in Starfox IMO were quite balnd...he on the other hand told me "This game was just an experiment of what the SNES can do." -and then tried to convince me that the graphics were not so important as the concept. Hmmm, kinda like the WII.

Nintendo had recently mentioned that there were design flaws in their WII remote and in return made improvements by coming out with the "WII Remote Plus" or an a optional adapter for those who didn't want to buy an extra remote- thus again depending on the loyalty of their customers to put up with another Nintendo shenanigan. Sony and Microsoft on the other hand, were able to add motion control capabilities to their systems for those who wanted them, but for those who didn't, their gaming experience would not be altered in any way, none the less.

Like a tick does on a dog, Nintendo will do whatever it takes to hang on to the gaming console industry. I switched over to a PS3 and now my WII is just a relic - I tended to not be a hardcore gamer, but now I am thanks to the "Big N". Nintendo really screwed it up with their casual gaming concept-yet again, a failed or half baked idea which many people are now realizing. The WII's limited graphics compared to its competitors didn't at all phase me, only its lack of quality games did.

Nintendo needs to stop the "dog and pony show" with their futuristic "WII-U" console and consider the WII to be their "Swan Song". It is time for Nintendo to become a "software only" company like their former "console war" rival Sega has so wisely done!

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3812.6.2011 8:00

If they have dropped the ball why are they the most popular game console on the market? Which they are.

I can understand that if you don't like their game selection then don't buy the console that makes total sense but the rest does not.

3913.6.2011 9:55

Originally posted by DVDBack23:
To clear up some things in this thread...Sony does NOT own Blu-ray, they are one of the founding members of the BDA, which includes a ton of companies like Apple, Samsung, Philips, Fox, Warner, Disney, LG and Intel (there are more, but Nintendo and Microsoft are not on that list).

FYI

Sony initiated and ORIGINALLY INVENTED Blu-ray as well as having bought the rights to develop the CD AFTER Philips invented it but BEFORE Philips marketed it, so basically Sony could be construed as the "Owner" of Blu-ray (while technically not the case) so stop hen-pecking. The "others" are simply "members" of Sony's 'club'.

4013.6.2011 9:57

Originally posted by da funk:
wait a tick. doesnt sony own blueray disks though? but since wiiU will be using blueray disks then that means they don't entirely own the blueray copyright. thats what im assuming now. too lazy to do reaserch for maself.
You need to get your eyes checked and read more closely!

The WiiU WILL NOT BE USING BLU-RAY DISCS. Time to "Not be too lazy to do the research yourself" and develop your spelling skills.

4113.6.2011 12:53

Originally posted by hearme0:
Originally posted by da funk:
wait a tick. doesnt sony own blueray disks though? but since wiiU will be using blueray disks then that means they don't entirely own the blueray copyright. thats what im assuming now. too lazy to do reaserch for maself.
You need to get your eyes checked and read more closely!

The WiiU WILL NOT BE USING BLU-RAY DISCS. Time to "Not be too lazy to do the research yourself" and develop your spelling skills.
You need to check yourself and read all of the comments.

4213.6.2011 15:16

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
If they have dropped the ball why are they the most popular game console on the market? Which they are.

I can understand that if you don't like their game selection then don't buy the console that makes total sense but the rest does not.
I believe I read somewhere that the Wii has a horrible attachment rate compared to the other consoles. So even if they sell a boat load more consoles than Sony and Microsoft it doesn't really matter since they're losing the race in licensing fee's. At least this is how I think it works. I'm no expert and I don't really have a source on that info.

4313.6.2011 19:32

Originally posted by Azuran:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
If they have dropped the ball why are they the most popular game console on the market? Which they are.

I can understand that if you don't like their game selection then don't buy the console that makes total sense but the rest does not.
I believe I read somewhere that the Wii has a horrible attachment rate compared to the other consoles. So even if they sell a boat load more consoles than Sony and Microsoft it doesn't really matter since they're losing the race in licensing fee's. At least this is how I think it works. I'm no expert and I don't really have a source on that info.
What are you talking about? The statement was Wii is the number one console period. I don't care if they sell steaks on the side and making millions it has nothing to do with the statement.

Obviously they have done something right and that is the real point.
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4413.6.2011 21:12
WierdName
Inactive

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by Azuran:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
If they have dropped the ball why are they the most popular game console on the market? Which they are.

I can understand that if you don't like their game selection then don't buy the console that makes total sense but the rest does not.
I believe I read somewhere that the Wii has a horrible attachment rate compared to the other consoles. So even if they sell a boat load more consoles than Sony and Microsoft it doesn't really matter since they're losing the race in licensing fee's. At least this is how I think it works. I'm no expert and I don't really have a source on that info.
What are you talking about? The statement was Wii is the number one console period. I don't care if they sell steaks on the side and making millions it has nothing to do with the statement.

Obviously they have done something right and that is the real point.
For something to be "number one" there has to be criteria to rank the compared subjects. I think there's confusion in what the consoles are being ranked on. Personally, I prefer the PS3 because I've had the most experience with it. Everyone I know with a Wii has either got and used (pretty much exclusively) another console or they openly note how inferior it is to the others and that the budget was the main reason for getting it. For my age 21, "hardcore"-ish bracket I prefer the PS3 or at least the Xbox 360. Many would also side with the Wii though. As a matter of fact, I don't really think it's fair to compare the Wii with the other consoles because it really does fight for another market. Sony and Microsoft are fighting it out of performance, graphics, etc. Nintendo just shot for the more social angle with their Wii. If you try to compare the Wii on it's hardware, it comes dead last, no contest. If you try to base it on it's social angle (family, friends, getting up and moving around) it would win. Although, the Kinect is contending well with the Wii's hold on the motion area.

My point is that "number one" needs to be defined and I think Azuran was trying to determine what to base the ranking on.

Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
"Opinions are immunities to being told were wrong." - Relient K

4513.6.2011 22:01

Wii has been the number 1 in sold consoles forever or at least until just recent, and it is people like you and other hard core youths that said it would never sell and you were wrong then and now. This has been reported monthly as well as quarterly for years now, nothing new.

If you asked me what console was better based on performance and games I would say XBOX 360 but if you asked me what console had the better power and was more reliable I'd say PS3. But for console reliability alone I'd say the Wii. What sold the Wii from the get go though was it's controller and game play, I still love their bowling and sports but for games like Halo well that's not going to happen is it.

4613.6.2011 22:01

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by Azuran:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
If they have dropped the ball why are they the most popular game console on the market? Which they are.

I can understand that if you don't like their game selection then don't buy the console that makes total sense but the rest does not.
I believe I read somewhere that the Wii has a horrible attachment rate compared to the other consoles. So even if they sell a boat load more consoles than Sony and Microsoft it doesn't really matter since they're losing the race in licensing fee's. At least this is how I think it works. I'm no expert and I don't really have a source on that info.
What are you talking about? The statement was Wii is the number one console period. I don't care if they sell steaks on the side and making millions it has nothing to do with the statement.

Obviously they have done something right and that is the real point.
I was simply trying to clear up why someone may have thought that Nintendo had "dropped the ball" by proposing a theory.If what I said is true "steaks on the side" has everything to do with it since generally in the business world you are judged on how much money you make. And just to be clear I never actually took a stand on what console was number one. I don't have any numbers I only just described an instance in which Wii might not be number one.

4713.6.2011 22:16

I would agree with you that the Wii's attachment rate is poor it definitely could be better and I've never been a Bluetooth fan anyway. But their controller(s) work pretty well over all. I can't give input on Xbox's new controller so I can only think it is better but this is several years after the fact so it should be. I don't believe that "steaks on the side" has warranted that much money I'll bet Nintendo’s over-all profits are still better, but maybe not. Again however you can't argue being the number one console is a mistake no matter what!

If you peruse this board for the last few years, and I know you have, you would have seen the numerous news articles stating the Wii as number one.

4813.6.2011 22:31

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
I would agree with you that the Wii's attachment rate is poor it definitely could be better and I've never been a Bluetooth fan anyway. But their controller(s) work pretty well over all. I can't give input on Xbox's new controller so I can only think it is better but this is several years after the fact so it should be. I don't believe that "steaks on the side" has warranted that much money I'll bet Nintendo’s over-all profits are still better, but maybe not. Again however you can't argue being the number one console is a mistake no matter what!

If you peruse this board for the last few years, and I know you have, you would have seen the numerous news articles stating the Wii as number one.

If your speaking of strictly units of consoles sold than yes you are correct. I will never argue to the contrary, but my point is this is an incomplete picture.

4914.6.2011 0:39
WierdName
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Wii has been the number 1 in sold consoles forever or at least until just recent, and it is people like you and other hard core youths that said it would never sell and you were wrong then and now. This has been reported monthly as well as quarterly for years now, nothing new.

If you asked me what console was better based on performance and games I would say XBOX 360 but if you asked me what console had the better power and was more reliable I'd say PS3. But for console reliability alone I'd say the Wii. What sold the Wii from the get go though was it's controller and game play, I still love their bowling and sports but for games like Halo well that's not going to happen is it.
Couple quick notes:
A) Didn't say it wouldn't sell. On the contrary, I figured it would considering it's the cheapest one out even with a couple controllers. Not to mention getting the family involved and being budget conscious tend to go hand in hand and playing that angle helps.
B) The bowling and sports was decent for me, but I personally grew bored quickly with it.

My point is that to someone like myself the Wii is not quite number one aside from sales. I was even surprised when playing World at War co-op with my brother-in-law was actually just him moving and me being able to also shoot on the same screen. Sales are non-opinion fact. And at that, given the figures I would have to agree Wii wins at sales. As Azuran says though, I don't think sales alone really gives the full picture.

Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
"Opinions are immunities to being told were wrong." - Relient K

5014.6.2011 10:18

Originally posted by WierdName:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Wii has been the number 1 in sold consoles forever or at least until just recent, and it is people like you and other hard core youths that said it would never sell and you were wrong then and now. This has been reported monthly as well as quarterly for years now, nothing new.

If you asked me what console was better based on performance and games I would say XBOX 360 but if you asked me what console had the better power and was more reliable I'd say PS3. But for console reliability alone I'd say the Wii. What sold the Wii from the get go though was it's controller and game play, I still love their bowling and sports but for games like Halo well that's not going to happen is it.
Couple quick notes:
A) Didn't say it wouldn't sell. On the contrary, I figured it would considering it's the cheapest one out even with a couple controllers. Not to mention getting the family involved and being budget conscious tend to go hand in hand and playing that angle helps.
B) The bowling and sports was decent for me, but I personally grew bored quickly with it.

My point is that to someone like myself the Wii is not quite number one aside from sales. I was even surprised when playing World at War co-op with my brother-in-law was actually just him moving and me being able to also shoot on the same screen. Sales are non-opinion fact. And at that, given the figures I would have to agree Wii wins at sales. As Azuran says though, I don't think sales alone really gives the full picture.
Nowhere did I argue that one’s preference based on games with Dildor was wrong, in fact I supported that view. This whole thing is about Dildor saying;

"Nintendo has had three chances to reclaim their dominance as a leader in the gaming industry since their highly acclaimed Super Nintendo/Famicom home console, and they have dropped the ball each time."

Nintendo didn't fail with the Wii period, you can't be considered it a failure when your number 1. So sales are a fact and are pertinent to this argument. And Azuran and you if this is your belief are wrong!

You need to go back read Dildors reply then read my reply and sit and really think about it instead of getting emotional over your preference and truly start looking at the big picture.

5114.6.2011 11:22

Originally posted by themind:
Originally posted by hearme0:
Originally posted by da funk:
wait a tick. doesnt sony own blueray disks though? but since wiiU will be using blueray disks then that means they don't entirely own the blueray copyright. thats what im assuming now. too lazy to do reaserch for maself.
You need to get your eyes checked and read more closely!

The WiiU WILL NOT BE USING BLU-RAY DISCS. Time to "Not be too lazy to do the research yourself" and develop your spelling skills.
You need to check yourself and read all of the comments.
Hopefully you didn't address this to ME because regardless of "reading the comments", it doesn't change the fact that DaFunk stated "but since wiiU will be using blueray disks then that" which is completely wrong.

So....you're a putz if you directed that to me and NOT a putz if you actually (intelligently I might add) directed that to DaFunk.

5215.6.2011 0:46
WierdName
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Nowhere did I argue that one’s preference based on games with Dildor was wrong, in fact I supported that view. This whole thing is about Dildor saying;

"Nintendo has had three chances to reclaim their dominance as a leader in the gaming industry since their highly acclaimed Super Nintendo/Famicom home console, and they have dropped the ball each time."

Nintendo didn't fail with the Wii period, you can't be considered it a failure when your number 1. So sales are a fact and are pertinent to this argument. And Azuran and you if this is your belief are wrong!

You need to go back read Dildors reply then read my reply and sit and really think about it instead of getting emotional over your preference and truly start looking at the big picture.

A) Not emotional. Haven't even used an exclamation point yet. Being implied as such is a bit annoying though.
B) I see where you're coming from now. However, the point still stands. A console can "drop the ball" and still be number one in sales. It all depends on how one defines dropping the ball. Dildor is addressing Nintendo's "dominance in the industry" and saying they dropped the ball. From the context it appears they are judging the ball dropping to be a lack of Nintendo following through with their innovations. If one were to define the lack of number one status with these conditions, it doesn't matter how many sales Nintendo makes. The miscommunication here appears to still be on the definition of number one.

Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
"Opinions are immunities to being told were wrong." - Relient K

5315.6.2011 1:09

I think Nintendo kicked the ball out of the park. From all the stories I've read that the Wii has helped rehabilitate our injured soldiers and accident and stroke victims. To getting kids off the couch and moving. Hearing people laugh at each other playing instead of "I"m gonna kill you" like in other consoles hard core games. May not have the super graphics and raw processing power, but it sure showed the other consoles a thing or two. You guessed it, I'm not a gamer, but the Wii is SO MUCH more. No way did Nintendo drop the ball and I'll vote it #1.

5415.6.2011 1:19

Originally posted by WierdName:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Nowhere did I argue that one’s preference based on games with Dildor was wrong, in fact I supported that view. This whole thing is about Dildor saying;

"Nintendo has had three chances to reclaim their dominance as a leader in the gaming industry since their highly acclaimed Super Nintendo/Famicom home console, and they have dropped the ball each time."

Nintendo didn't fail with the Wii period, you can't be considered it a failure when your number 1. So sales are a fact and are pertinent to this argument. And Azuran and you if this is your belief are wrong!

You need to go back read Dildors reply then read my reply and sit and really think about it instead of getting emotional over your preference and truly start looking at the big picture.

A) Not emotional. Haven't even used an exclamation point yet. Being implied as such is a bit annoying though.
B) I see where you're coming from now. However, the point still stands. A console can "drop the ball" and still be number one in sales. It all depends on how one defines dropping the ball. Dildor is addressing Nintendo's "dominance in the industry" and saying they dropped the ball. From the context it appears they are judging the ball dropping to be a lack of Nintendo following through with their innovations. If one were to define the lack of number one status with these conditions, it doesn't matter how many sales Nintendo makes. The miscommunication here appears to still be on the definition of number one.
If it doesn't matter how much they sell than nothing matters and there is no basis other than obscure opinion and that isn’t worth much. Sales DOES matter this truly can't be argued if one is disappointed they didn't do this or that fine but that doesn't make the Wii a failure as Dildor implied. If people thought the Wii was garbage then why is it number 1? It just doesn’t work that way so sorry but you're still wrong. Nothing is perfect, NOTHING, I can find fault in everything and will point out faults when I see them but just because something has faults don’t mean it is worthless or a failure. You are getting wrapped in the gray too much.

My point is true, well stated, and valid you can wish-wash around it and try to confuse the point but it is what it is. I find it ridiculous that I've wasted so much effort on such a simple point, but par for the course with some.
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5515.6.2011 3:31

My own take on this is that the self-styled 'serious gamers' have a real problem with Wii aiming at a market other than themselves.

The truth is Wii has sold spectacularly well, it is an amazing success (as well as making Nintendo a vast amount of money due to it not being leading edge tech).
Wii proved that (a) you don't need to be at the leading edge in tech and (b) that there is far more money to be made going after a much broader market than the traditional solo (usually young male) gamer.

Now with the Wii U they can encompass the more 'hardcore' games too.
I think it's a smart move.

I'm looking forward to how Sony & Microsoft respond (and Kinect & Move both show very clearly that they are going after a chunk of that younger/more casual market too).
With resolution topped out at 1080p I expect the differences to be (as now) pretty minor and unremarkable.
The fight will probably revolve around what else the consoles can offer in terms of media hubs.

But it is laughable to claim the Wii is a failure just because the now minority of the traditional 'serious' gamers prefer to look down their noses at the new gaming market.
But people had better get used to it, that is not going to be changing any time soon - and in fact it can only increase as they all chase bigger broader markets.

5615.6.2011 11:57

Right on X very well put!

5715.6.2011 17:32
WierdName
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
If it doesn't matter how much they sell than nothing matters and there is no basis other than obscure opinion and that isn’t worth much. Sales DOES matter this truly can't be argued if one is disappointed they didn't do this or that fine but that doesn't make the Wii a failure as Dildor implied. If people thought the Wii was garbage then why is it number 1? It just doesn’t work that way so sorry but you're still wrong. Nothing is perfect, NOTHING, I can find fault in everything and will point out faults when I see them but just because something has faults don’t mean it is worthless or a failure. You are getting wrapped in the gray too much.

My point is true, well stated, and valid you can wish-wash around it and try to confuse the point but it is what it is. I find it ridiculous that I've wasted so much effort on such a simple point, but par for the course with some.
I still think we're not on the same page. I'm not arguing for or against the Wii. I don't like it personally, but I could care less that it exists. I just won't get it. All I'm saying is that when factoring in more than just sales, some may consider it a failure. Without a real, defined goal of what success is by provable facts, failure is just opinion anyways. If one defines success as sales, the Wii wins. If one includes other factors, such as personal preferences, they can consider it a failure. I think Dildor was arguing on a personal level, not a global one. There's no gray area here; it's relatives and absolutes getting mixed up.

I am getting a bit annoyed, though, of attempting to provide an objective view and getting thrown in the fanboy group. And since this has carried far too long, is apparent both parties are getting tired of it, and isn't even the topic of the thread I'll drop it at the above.

Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
"Opinions are immunities to being told were wrong." - Relient K

5815.6.2011 18:04

Originally posted by WierdName:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
If it doesn't matter how much they sell than nothing matters and there is no basis other than obscure opinion and that isn’t worth much. Sales DOES matter this truly can't be argued if one is disappointed they didn't do this or that fine but that doesn't make the Wii a failure as Dildor implied. If people thought the Wii was garbage then why is it number 1? It just doesn’t work that way so sorry but you're still wrong. Nothing is perfect, NOTHING, I can find fault in everything and will point out faults when I see them but just because something has faults don’t mean it is worthless or a failure. You are getting wrapped in the gray too much.

My point is true, well stated, and valid you can wish-wash around it and try to confuse the point but it is what it is. I find it ridiculous that I've wasted so much effort on such a simple point, but par for the course with some.
I still think we're not on the same page. I'm not arguing for or against the Wii. I don't like it personally, but I could care less that it exists. I just won't get it. All I'm saying is that when factoring in more than just sales, some may consider it a failure. Without a real, defined goal of what success is by provable facts, failure is just opinion anyways. If one defines success as sales, the Wii wins. If one includes other factors, such as personal preferences, they can consider it a failure. I think Dildor was arguing on a personal level, not a global one. There's no gray area here; it's relatives and absolutes getting mixed up.

I am getting a bit annoyed, though, of attempting to provide an objective view and getting thrown in the fanboy group. And since this has carried far too long, is apparent both parties are getting tired of it, and isn't even the topic of the thread I'll drop it at the above.
That is conjecture and for one that wants facts you sure seem to have no problem reading into things. I don't read it that way if that were true he would have said "Nintendo lost it when....in my opinion?" or something to that fact, this he did not. Money is the success factor in ANY business so once again here we are. If you agree with this then we have nothing more to say do we? If his intent was different he should have worded his comment differently, I don't carry my magic ball or do the Carnac routine well so I can only go by what I read.
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