Sony starts aggressive PlayStation 3 and Blu-ray campaign

About time lmao

Far too little far too late.

HD DVD have slashed prices of hardware & movies and the big US retail outlets have now 'called' on the format war.

Warner will be going HD DVD exclusive in Jan 2008.

sony stop with the blu-ray crap and focus on the ps3.

Originally posted by BIGnewb:

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sony stop with the blu-ray crap and focus on the ps3.

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Why? It's an advantage that no other system has. Do people really think that whoever buys the PS3 for movies won't buy one game for it? I doubt it.

@Vinny13 Sure the console is powerful and pontential device, but what Bignewb is trying to say is that if you market a device Lets say the PS3 for instance there marketing towards the movie section too much. the PS3 is a Gaming device,but it has the pontential to play BLU-RAY movies. what there doing is maketing PS3 as a blu-ray movie player capable of playing games. Bad idea. Reason, game developers want love and attention to there Games on that specific console. these will greatly reduce the number of willing and able developers on the that console.

Simply put people are gonna buy it because its a cheap BD player alternative. not because its a game console.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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Far too little far too late.

HD DVD have slashed prices of hardware & movies and the big US retail outlets have now 'called' on the format war.

Warner will be going HD DVD exclusive in Jan 2008.

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LOL....Do you really think a fire sale on low level HD-DVD players going to really out sell PS3 this holiday season your dreaming.With 360 & PS3 having all the big gaming titles launching this month no one is going to bum rush any store for a cheap stand alone HD-DVD player that also lacking in major movie studios.With the PS3 price drop coming this weekend its going to move even more unit so good luck catching Blu-Ray because your only 6 million HD units behind.

Originally posted by BIGnewb:

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sony stop with the blu-ray crap and focus on the ps3.

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They are focus on the PS3,Blu-Ray has clearly given Sony a major advantage over over all the other console & even HD-DVD stand alone.Don't listen to all these Sony bashers they know that its a huge advantage & it shows.The only thing thats keeping the PS3 back is games,the price issue has been address now we see triple A games coming like Uncharted,Haze with Killzone 2 & MGS4 coming.

Originally posted by vinny13:

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Why? It's an advantage that no other system has. Do people really think that whoever buys the PS3 for movies won't buy one game for it? I doubt it.

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I seen today that Sony going to release results this month on how many PS3 owners actually buy BD movie & from what i heard many people going to be shocked that PS3 owner do buy BD movies more than the stand alone.

NextGen,

Your inability to spell correctly and your obvious prejudice towards HD-DVD makes me not care about what you say. Have a great night.

Regarding HD-DVD, I expect that by the end of the holidays we'll have a cleare picture on how this "war" is going to turn out. And I for one will be getting one of those "low level HD-DVD players" because it is a great way to enter the High Def grounds. If at the end Sony were to win then I'll get a Blu-Ray player glady knowing that I only spent 100 bucks on an HD-DVD player.

The Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanclub can sneer at 720p/1080i all they like (but forget that they are condescending and arrogantly looking down their noses at the 'standard of the over-whelming majority of people's HD TVs right now).

The truth is that Walmart alone has a large stock of Toshiba HD A2s to release this week and they will all sell from tomorrow and everyone of them will result in contributing to climbing HD DVD movie sales.

Then there is the price matching and other offers from Circuit City, Best Buy, Sears and Kmart.

These are not just confined to the HD A2 model either.

People can deny it all they like but the facts are clear.
The high def 'war' just got called and it was called for HD DVD.

'Everyone' was supposed to want this clarity.
It's over.
At last.

The next clear move will be Warner going HD DVD exclusive very soon, followed by the others in the course of 2008/9 with the exception of Sony & their connected studios (who will be the last).

The format war is not over.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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'Everyone' was supposed to want this clarity.
It's over.
At last.

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I doubt it.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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good luck catching Blu-Ray because your only 6 million HD units behind.

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with that they can only manage a 2-1 discs sales lead over HD-DVD???
you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that not enough PS3 owners are buying Blu-Ray movies

people who want to play games will continue buying 360/PS3/Wii.
and people who only want to watch Hi-Def movies will buy a stand-alone, most likely HD-DVD because of the price. Why would someone want to buy an expensive, big, bulky, ugly looking thing just to watch Hi-Def movies

Sony need to focus on the games for PS3

Originally posted by hughjars:

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Far too little far too late.

HD DVD have slashed prices of hardware & movies and the big US retail outlets have now 'called' on the format war.

Warner will be going HD DVD exclusive in Jan 2008.

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ok well accroding to blu-ray.com, wrner said they noticed how 300 sold way better on blu-ray, and a special hint, i think it was "we are comitted to the format" (meaning blu-ray obviously) take a look yourself Blu-ray.com

Originally posted by hughjars:

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The Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanclub can sneer at 720p/1080i all they like (but forget that they are condescending and arrogantly looking down their noses at the 'standard of the over-whelming majority of people's HD TVs right now).

The truth is that Walmart alone has a large stock of Toshiba HD A2s to release this week and they will all sell from tomorrow and everyone of them will result in contributing to climbing HD DVD movie sales.

Then there is the price matching and other offers from Circuit City, Best Buy, Sears and Kmart.

These are not just confined to the HD A2 model either.

People can deny it all they like but the facts are clear.
The high def 'war' just got called and it was called for HD DVD.

'Everyone' was supposed to want this clarity.
It's over.
At last.

The next clear move will be Warner going HD DVD exclusive very soon, followed by the others in the course of 2008/9 with the exception of Sony & their connected studios (who will be the last).

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I find your post very funny you really don't have a clue to whats going on.This is a Fire sale for HD A2 model that wasn't selling so they dropped the price even lower to make room for 3rd gen players.When i see a major price drop across the board then i know HD-DVD is serious.Don't get me wrong this is a good deal for them but 1080i just don't get it for me i refuse to down grade my Sony XBR3 full HD set.

Originally posted by camaro17:

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ok well accroding to blu-ray.com, wrner said they noticed how 300 sold way better on blu-ray, and a special hint, i think it was "we are comitted to the format" (meaning blu-ray obviously) take a look yourself Blu-ray.com

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He know this but he refuse to accept that things not looking good for HD-DVD right now this is why they are so desperate now.They took to long to make a marketing push.With Blu-Ray having the majority of HD studio support how is this war over ?

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Originally posted by BIGnewb:

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sony stop with the blu-ray crap and focus on the ps3.

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Why? It's an advantage that no other system has. Do people really think that whoever buys the PS3 for movies won't buy one game for it? I doubt it.

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Somehow I see buying a PS3 for the purpose of playing blu-ray movies pointless. I still think most consumers will want to purchase a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray combo player once they are affordable enough. That way you can play both formats in one player and the blu-ray movie capabilities of the PS3 will become a wasted feature for most consumers. Kind of like the DVD Movie capabilities of the PS2. If the movie industry could decide on one format that would be different but some studios make only Blu-Ray and some make only HD-DVD so if you want Hi-Def for all movies you will need a combo player. At least thats the way I see it.

Is this the "Nintendo will be bankrupt by next Christmas" thread from last year? Sounds like the same logic everyone used to bury the Wii before it was even born. Now look who's laughing.

Personally, I was on the fence for HD-DVD and was waiting for a price drop on the 360 add-on, but why bother when you can get a stand alone unit that will upconvert your DVD's too.

I remember working at Hollywood Video when DVD's first arrived and spending $200 for my player. No one else had them that Summer and I could pick just about any of the 40 or so titles we had and take them home on any given night. Then the players dropped to $100 or so that Holiday season and before you knew it, half the store was DVD exclusive and I wasn't the only kid on the block with a player.

The A2 will be the trailblazer for HD-DVD, because if it tests well at that price and discs see a pickup in sales, that's going to set off a chain reaction. Better hope the next buzz word doesn't become HD-DVD as a result of this "fire sale." Remember, people buy Vizio and Samsung HDTV's now. People don't buy Walkmans, they buy iPods. They don't buy Playstations, they buy DS, Wii and 360.

Sony should aggressively price ALL Blu-Ray product, media, players, burners, etc. but instead they are content with further distancing their brand name from the consumer.

BTW, HD cable signals only do 720p around my parts. 1080i is as best as most HDTV's will do, especially on the "non-enthusiast poor person's" end, so 1080p is technical jargon that most customers are not going to sneeze at for a few extra hundred dollars.

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Matsuda even admitted that the company was considering bundling the PS3's Blu-ray remote with every console to help emphasize the Blu-ray capabilities.

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Oh great a remote, now I can easily watch overpriced hd movies while I think about the games I could be playing.

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The campaign will "focus on the convergence of the PS3 as a movie and game device" and that it was "a big part of the corporate strategy for promoting Blu-ray Disc this fourth quarter."

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Is it just me or should that read game and movie device? Every last ps3 announcement somehow revolves around blu-ray movies not games. I can only assume that this is a symptom of a much larger problem. Home is delayed until next spring, most of the new games aren’t all that ground breaking, and a lot of the games already out are simply ports from pc or 360.

I’ve been holding my breath for well over a year for MS to completely fix the 360’s hardware issues, or news on solid games coming out for ps3. It’s unfortunate that console debates seem to always boil down to “the better format” or the best resolution which leads to stand alone players ect…

Pc games are starting to look more and more appealing. The main reason people like consoles is that you can pop them on and there’s the game, no problems, conflicts, or having to upgrade hardware. With all this crap back and forth between Sony and MS I almost wish I could stare at the blue screen of death (or any variation of that) Instead of Trying to choose between a moderately priced toaster oven, or a Ferrari that has a jammed parking brake with little to no gas.

Just a side note, and nothing against the PS3, but why would I want to watch movies on my game system and risk wear and tear on the drive/laser? If a stand alone player breaks you grab another cheap one. The price of players always goes down. If your console breaks you potentialy shell out serious dough, the price dwindles slowly. The PS2 has been around for around, what, 7 years and it's still $129 even though they have another system out already!

I dislike the assbackwards 40GB unit and see it as plain bad,it goes against the history of the brand, I loath it very much they could save the same amount of moeny but just putting BWC in a off position newbs won't care for it but it gives others at least the option for it.

vinny13
what advantage ? it costs more and dose the same as Hdvd the 50GB discs are to costly so they wont be used for now and Hdvd itself has a 40ish GB disc, again its like comparing a orange to a mandarin the onl y real diffrance is flavor and cost.

The cost is going to slow BR to a halt if they do not change how they play this game, and the same can be said for the 40GB unit, its a joke remove it from exsistance already its unneeded, get the 80GB unit to 450 thats all they need to do they do not need 2 units its a waste of effort, they need to focus on getting the PS3 up to snuff.

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Matsuda even admitted that the company was considering bundling the PS3's Blu-ray remote with every console to help emphasize the Blu-ray capabilities.

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Oh great a remote, now I can easily watch overpriced hd movies while I think about the games I could be playing.

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The campaign will "focus on the convergence of the PS3 as a movie and game device" and that it was "a big part of the corporate strategy for promoting Blu-ray Disc this fourth quarter."

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Is it just me or should that read game and movie device? Every last ps3 announcement somehow revolves around blu-ray movies not games. I can only assume that this is a symptom of a much larger problem. Home is delayed until next spring, most of the new games aren’t all that ground breaking, and a lot of the games already out are simply ports from pc or 360.

I’ve been holding my breath for well over a year for MS to completely fix the 360’s hardware issues, or news on solid games coming out for ps3. It’s unfortunate that console debates seem to always boil down to “the better format” or the best resolution which leads to stand alone players ect…

Pc games are starting to look more and more appealing. The main reason people like consoles is that you can pop them on and there’s the game, no problems, conflicts, or having to upgrade hardware. With all this crap back and forth between Sony and MS I almost wish I could stare at the blue screen of death (or any variation of that) Instead of Trying to choose between a moderately priced toaster oven, or a Ferrari that has a jammed parking brake with little to no gas.

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PC gaming is no better they are half bought out by the console centric focus of the market, even PC only games are not offering the quality they use to, MS is broken still and sony is lost at least nintendo is tryign something different , however I am hesitating to buy in because of a lack of a cheat device if I can't make a game more fun by cheating then theres no reason for me to pay retail for it.

sony has to focus on games period.i love my playstation 3 and i love the 2008 line-up which will destroy the 360 but this year they focused on blu-ray and not games.they are fighting 2 battles with format and system but come on shut up with that blu-crap and hd-crap because i dont care and neither does %90 of the population.

ok, so I'm not really with everyone here, I just came to this site to pick up a download. However, I saw this forum and got so bloody annoyed with you people that I joined up just to write this message. Christ, don't you have anything better to do? Who cares? If Sony wins, thats cool, and if HD wins, nothing changes. Get a life.

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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I find your post very funny you really don't have a clue to whats going on.

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- Naaaa Nextgen, you're the comedian.

Basically you've quoted Bill Hunt's latest garbage at length and are desperate to play down what has happened.

Walmart did, afterall, fall in behind HD DVD.
So have Sears, Circuit City, Best Buy and Kmart.
All the really big US retail outlets.

You can howl at the moon over how you refuse to accept the significance of this but that's all it is.

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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This is a Fire sale for HD A2 model that wasn't selling so they dropped the price even lower to make room for 3rd gen players.

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- Wrong. You're just desperately specualting & guessing again.

The HD A2 has sold very nicely through-out it's life cycle in fact (as it's months as Amazon's best selling DVD player - out of all DVD players, not just the high def ones - proves).

In certain stores (Sears for instance) the deal is for the gen 3 HD A3 player.

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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When i see a major price drop across the board then i know HD-DVD is serious.

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- You have all the big stores promoting either the HD A2 and/or HD A3 this year.
It's "serious".
Wake up.

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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Don't get me wrong this is a good deal for them but 1080i just don't get it for me i refuse to down grade my Sony XBR3 full HD set.

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- .....and you'll find many 1080p HD TV set owners who are honest about this and who say that the 1080i signal looks no different to a 1080p signal.

How could it?

The TV will not & cannot show anything other than a 1080p image if it is genuinely of the correct resolution (1920x1080).

If the TV is not of the correct resolution it makes no difference as it can never show anything other than 720p/1080i (which is the truth about the vast majority of HD TVs).

Either the disc player outputs a 1080p signal or the TV converts the 1080i signal into 1080p (the information is all there, there is nothing "downgraded" about it).

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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He know this but he refuse to accept that things not looking good for HD-DVD right now this is why they are so desperate now.

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- No, you're just kidding yourself if you seriously imagine a couple of vague & isolated comments at a Blu-ray beano were ever going to be anything but compliamentary.

They sure as hell weren't telling anyone their actual future strategy.

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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They took to long to make a marketing push.With Blu-Ray having the majority of HD studio support how is this war over ?

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- Studio "support" is about even.

But HD DVD has the most available movie content, the most exclusive content and the largest potential catalogue.

HD DVD has content and price (and none of that anti-consumer DRM cr@P either) going for it.

Blu-ray simply can't compete with its over-priced, under spec'd and 'security' ridden obsolescent hardware.

hughjars
it dose not help your comments are so..potent..LOL

But anyway the ball is in HDVDs court and BR is to busy "finding itself" to defend or counter, it will be interesting to see what sony will do next will the money is saving up from selling off so many assets it could well halve the price on its player line in the coming months but still it still leaves it vuranble by a like and cheaper brand...

Sony is doing something. They started their overly aggresive campaign trying to promote the PS3 while pointing out its Blu-Ray capabilities. Last night I think I saw 4 PS3 commercials in a period of 30 minutes. It really took me by surprise.

I own a PS3 and im sick of Sony. They promised us 300 games by the end of the year. Not 300 bloody blurry dvds. Yes I know there called Blu-Ray but I like to call em blurry cause thats what the games look like with the cheap phono cable that came with the PS3.I bought a PS3 to play games thats not on Xbox 360. At the moment everything is out on the 360. How many people bought a PS2 just to play dvds on? I buy a Games Console to play games. I buy a dvd player to play dvds. If I wanted a blu-ray dvd player I will a TV thats capable of 1080p first. But that aint gonna happen for a long time. But in that time I would like to play some games.

LOL!

This whoel thing is WAY WAY too late, sonyfags, shh now!

THEY HAVE lost the consol war!

Its between the 360 and wii! everyone nows it, when u can buy a 360 and wii and it cost less then a ps3, i think, i'll know what i want. PS3 sales are pathetic at best!

The game line ups are mediocore!

YAY KILLZONE 2!, wait wasn't kill zone 1 a mediocore game!

OH YEAH! LAIR that was a great game! And don't forget Heavenly sword! The only half decent game is warhawk! BUt that isn't a reason to buy a ps3! when u have halo3, GoW viva pinata! and games costing £10 less on 360 and also coming out earlier! Orange box for example!

Thye news that HD DVD's are less then $100, also means that the formate war will soon see cear sales, and see which one is going to win later on! Sony have just acted too late!

Riotard
down boy down, sony is hurting, but they still have a chance to pull their heads out of their ass and do something.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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The Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanclub can sneer at 720p/1080i all they like (but forget that they are condescending and arrogantly looking down their noses at the 'standard of the over-whelming majority of people's HD TVs right now).

The truth is that Walmart alone has a large stock of Toshiba HD A2s to release this week and they will all sell from tomorrow and everyone of them will result in contributing to climbing HD DVD movie sales.

Then there is the price matching and other offers from Circuit City, Best Buy, Sears and Kmart.

These are not just confined to the HD A2 model either.

People can deny it all they like but the facts are clear.
The high def 'war' just got called and it was called for HD DVD.

'Everyone' was supposed to want this clarity.
It's over.
At last.

The next clear move will be Warner going HD DVD exclusive very soon, followed by the others in the course of 2008/9 with the exception of Sony & their connected studios (who will be the last).

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I've got news for you they won't price match on these black friday specials. I know their policy states they will but they don't, I've tried. As for it being over I don't think Target, Best Buy, and Blockbuster know that yet. I went into BB the other day and they had a horrible selection of HDDVD and an enormous selection of BluRay and the same with Target. FYI, these black friday sells are when these big chains dump all there old crappy stock and yes this is with out a doubt a black friday sell. Walmart is jumping the gun this year trying to get a head start. Every friday until Christmas the manager of the local store here said they will have unadvertised sells. The fliers will only be available that morning in the store, and with sears selling the A3 cheap as well that should tell you the same thing. Wake up people.

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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I've got news for you they won't price match on these black friday specials.

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- Er, I have news for you.

First of all 'Black Friday' is not today.

....and yes they are price matching right now
(cos many of those deals started this morning).

Secondly (given your history here) you'll forgive me if I take your comments about them price-matching on 'Black Friday' with a sackfull or 3 of salt.

The real poke in the eye for the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanclub on this is obvious (tho they are studiously ignoring it).......

......if HD DVD really cannot take off in the mainstream mass-market with sub $100/$200 HD DVD players
(which there is, thankfully no reason to believe)

then Blu-ray is utterly sunk with their $400,$500,$600, $700 & $800+ (sub spec) players.

Hey manufacturers!! give me a high def disc player with divx and dvd recorder capabilities then you will see my money in your pockets.

Originally posted by oscarin:

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give me a high def disc player with divx and dvd recorder capabilities then you will see my money in your pockets.

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- Me too.

I would like one box under my TV, so if they give me Divx/Xvid capability added to the latest HD DVD players I'll be very happy & I'll very happily splash out on a new HD A35 the moment I hear it's happening.

The ps3 is about games, and not movies. i do not like that a single media company has so many vested interests in controlling the whole business as with sony's price fixing, and drm lockins because of being one of the leading members of the MPAA and the RIAA its kind of worrying speaking as a consumer, and if sony do win the apparent war that the normal consumer does not give a dam about yet and probably won't for a good year or two you can be certain that the prices will be as high and fixed as possible!

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Originally posted by OhCrap:

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I've got news for you they won't price match on these black friday specials.

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- Er, I have news for you.

First of all 'Black Friday' is not today.

....and yes they are price matching right now
(cos many of those deals started this morning).

Secondly (given your history here) you'll forgive me if I take your comments about them price-matching on 'Black Friday' with a sackfull or 3 of salt.

The real poke in the eye for the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanclub on this is obvious (tho they are studiously ignoring it).......

......if HD DVD really cannot take off in the mainstream mass-market with sub $100/$200 HD DVD players
(which there is, thankfully no reason to believe)

then Blu-ray is utterly sunk with their $400,$500,$600, $700 & $800+ (sub spec) players.

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How are you making fun of anyone you have failed to see that HD-DVD is having a Fire sale on the H2 model which didn't sale good at all til it reached Amazon...Plus all the High end HD-DVD players are still on the shelf with high price tags for a stand alone.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site//olspage.jsp...8&type=category

PS3 price cut coming today this isn't going to hurt Sony in no way because PS3 is still going to sell million this holidays over any stand alone.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Originally posted by hughjars:

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Originally posted by OhCrap:

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I've got news for you they won't price match on these black friday specials.

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- Er, I have news for you.

First of all 'Black Friday' is not today.

....and yes they are price matching right now
(cos many of those deals started this morning).

Secondly (given your history here) you'll forgive me if I take your comments about them price-matching on 'Black Friday' with a sackfull or 3 of salt.

The real poke in the eye for the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanclub on this is obvious (tho they are studiously ignoring it).......

......if HD DVD really cannot take off in the mainstream mass-market with sub $100/$200 HD DVD players
(which there is, thankfully no reason to believe)

then Blu-ray is utterly sunk with their $400,$500,$600, $700 & $800+ (sub spec) players.

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How are you making fun of anyone you have failed to see that HD-DVD is having a Fire sale on the H2 model which didn't sale good at all til it reached Amazon...Plus all the High end HD-DVD players are still on the shelf with high price tags for a stand alone.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site//olspage.jsp...8&type=category

PS3 price cut coming today this isn't going to hurt Sony in no way because PS3 is still going to sell million this holidays over any stand alone.

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rriiigghhhhtttttt and what else do you want from the tooth fairy, BR is in near shambles and needs to match the 100-200 players Hdvd is letting loose on the consumer if they do that they have line their coffin, as for the PS3 without a solid flagship title for the holidays its not going to sale 600K much less a milloin...

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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How are you making fun of anyone

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- Er, I wasn't "making fun" of anyone.

I corrected his wrong claim that this was all tied in to 'Black Friday' only
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I said that in view of his previous support for Blu-ray I'd be sceptical about his claims regarding stores price-matching these (excellent) HD DVD deals.

But thanks for demonstrating your mentality (again).

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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you have failed to see that HD-DVD is having a Fire sale

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- Oh dear, back to that BS again are we?

Like you'd know anyways.

When HD DVD cut prices it's a "fire sale" and "desperation" but if PS3/Blu-ray do it then it's great for the customer.

LMAO.

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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on the H2 model which didn't sale good at all til it reached Amazon.

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- Wow, this one is genuinely off the wall.

First of all you are totally wrong. There are excellent deals on the HD A3.

Secondly.
So - according to you - the HD A2 didn't sell good until it hit Amazon (the world's largest on-line retailer) where it has been the number one DVD player they are selling (for over 7 mths now).

.....and that's meant to mean what, exactly?

Best Buy and Circuit City are now offering Toshiba's latest third-generation A3 player for $199, $100 off the original price.
This deal also includes 7 free HD DVDs - two of which can be selected instantly and another 5 sent via mail-in offer.

Amazon will follow shortly.

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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Plus all the High end HD-DVD players are still on the shelf with high price tags for a stand alone.

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- LMAO.

So, not only are you implying you know all the levels of stock for the players involved in the discounted sales but your implying you know all the HD DVD stock numbers period?!

You really are funny today, if somewhat tragicly sad.

You really have lost any grasp on the meaning of 'entry level' and mass-market, haven't you?

Did you have to cast around for the highest prices you could find?

The Toshiba HD A20 is $349 on Amazon USA right now.
The Toshiba HD A3 is $249 on Amazon USA right now.
The Toshiba HD A30 is $329 on Amazon USA right now.
The Toshiba HD A35 is $389 on Amazon USA right now.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_e/104-...=Toshiba+HD-A3+

Originally posted by nextgen76:

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PS3 price cut coming today this isn't going to hurt Sony in no way because PS3 is still going to sell million this holidays over any stand alone.

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- The PS3 was already selling at a loss (but again that's just nothing but great & amazing when it's your beloved doing that kind of thing) so they must be taking a heavier loss.

The fact stands, the PS3 is a game console not even doing so well in it's own market.
It certainly is not racing off of the shelves as a Blu-ray player anymore.
Almost all of those a/v enthusiasts that wanted one as their cheap way into Blu-ray either got one straight away or jumped at the $500 price point.

Wake up, take off the Blu-specs and stop believing (and trying to spread) all the blu-ray.com propaganda.

All the big players in the US retail industry just called for HD DVD, get over it and enjoy your new version of UMD, cos that's exactly where Blu-ray is headed now.

(your clear & obvious plagiarising that ludicrous shill Bill Hunt's latest piece as your own was rather sad)

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Originally posted by OhCrap:

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I've got news for you they won't price match on these black friday specials.

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- Er, I have news for you.

First of all 'Black Friday' is not today.

....and yes they are price matching right now
(cos many of those deals started this morning).

Secondly (given your history here) you'll forgive me if I take your comments about them price-matching on 'Black Friday' with a sackfull or 3 of salt.

The real poke in the eye for the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanclub on this is obvious (tho they are studiously ignoring it).......

......if HD DVD really cannot take off in the mainstream mass-market with sub $100/$200 HD DVD players
(which there is, thankfully no reason to believe)

then Blu-ray is utterly sunk with their $400,$500,$600, $700 & $800+ (sub spec) players.

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In case you don't hugh you can't always believe everything you read on the internet. After standing in line for three hours to get a notebook last year I think I should know. You can read all the policies you want but after being told by two managers at two separate stores (best buy and circuit city) they don't price match on black friday, I don't think there is much you can do about it. I'm not going to threaten to sue a company over a few hundred dollars, if that. Walmart is completely different. They do price match all the time but you can forget about finding some of the nicer electronics in that place.

I know this isn't black friday. I didn't say it was, but these sales are their way of calming the crowds so they don't have the problems with crowds like they have in the past. Like people fist fighting over computers and rushing the pallets and trampling people when they unwrap them. I personally wouldn't mind buying one of those $98 dollar A2's even though I own a PS3. But I'm not going through all that hassle to get one. I mean if I'm buying groceries and they have one setting there I'd probably throw it in the cart if not simply to have a decent upscale dvd player for the bedroom. I don't even buy BluRay nor would I buy HDDVD movies because they cost too much right now and plus I'm still happy with the standard dvd's.

Also, you don't have any room to talk about reputations. You've been called so many times on bs it's unbelievable. So say er to that.

I'm not sure I understand NexGen... is the PlayStation 3 a gaming console or a HD movie player? Depending on which week you ask Sony, they may give you either answer. The facts are plain and simple: people that are buying "gaming" systems are buying the Wii and 360. I'm sure that some consumers are buying the PS3 as a Blu-Ray stand alone, but it's probably not as many that are buying it as a GAMING CONSOLE.

Either way, the PS3 is third in console sales, and also the top selling Blu-Ray player? The question that begs to be asked is if PS3 owners are purchasing games, movies or both.

I think the point that is being made and going above everyone's head is that there IS an HD-DVD player for $100 and another for $200. You get 5 FREE movies, plus if you take the cost of the PS3 or a Blu-Ray stand alone, there is $200 left to spare. We're just trying to say that HD-DVD has got itself in the right position, and is targeting DVD sales the same way that DVD targeted VHS years ago: by price!

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Originally posted by hughjars:

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Far too little far too late.

HD DVD have slashed prices of hardware & movies and the big US retail outlets have now 'called' on the format war.

Warner will be going HD DVD exclusive in Jan 2008.

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ok well accroding to blu-ray.com, wrner said they noticed how 300 sold way better on blu-ray, and a special hint, i think it was "we are comitted to the format" (meaning blu-ray obviously) take a look yourself Blu-ray.com

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Blu-ray.com. That fanboy has zero credibility. Its just full of rabid chest humping fanboys. Warner has only hinted that it will be looking at "Standalone Player" Sales in Q4 before making any exclusive agreements. Warner has alos no renewed in BDA member ship that expired in October. HD-DVD just sold about 100,000 players inone day at walmart today. Blu-ray IMHO is going to be a gamer only format come 2008, much like UMD.

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The Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanclub can sneer at 720p/1080i all they like (but forget that they are condescending and arrogantly looking down their noses at the 'standard of the over-whelming majority of people's HD TVs right now).

The truth is that Walmart alone has a large stock of Toshiba HD A2s to release this week and they will all sell from tomorrow and everyone of them will result in contributing to climbing HD DVD movie sales.

Then there is the price matching and other offers from Circuit City, Best Buy, Sears and Kmart.

These are not just confined to the HD A2 model either.

People can deny it all they like but the facts are clear.
The high def 'war' just got called and it was called for HD DVD.

'Everyone' was supposed to want this clarity.
It's over.
At last.

The next clear move will be Warner going HD DVD exclusive very soon, followed by the others in the course of 2008/9 with the exception of Sony & their connected studios (who will be the last).

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I find your post very funny you really don't have a clue to whats going on.This is a Fire sale for HD A2 model that wasn't selling so they dropped the price even lower to make room for 3rd gen players.When i see a major price drop across the board then i know HD-DVD is serious.Don't get me wrong this is a good deal for them but 1080i just don't get it for me i refuse to down grade my Sony XBR3 full HD set.

Originally posted by camaro17:

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ok well accroding to blu-ray.com, wrner said they noticed how 300 sold way better on blu-ray, and a special hint, i think it was "we are comitted to the format" (meaning blu-ray obviously) take a look yourself Blu-ray.com

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He know this but he refuse to accept that things not looking good for HD-DVD right now this is why they are so desperate now.They took to long to make a marketing push.With Blu-Ray having the majority of HD studio support how is this war over ?

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I have an XBR3 as well, and you know what. That set deinteralces so well that you cant tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p. You have been brained washed by Sonys hype machine. Check any post on AVS about 1080i/p for some education before you post next time.

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you don't have any room to talk about reputations. You've been called so many times on bs it's unbelievable. So say er to that.

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- You and your Blu/PS3 mates merely claiming I'm not telling the truth doesn't count.

I haven't misled anyone and where I have ever been wrong I have been happy to stand corrected.

I think in terms of what has been happening and what I said would happen I am with far more 'credit' to the good than being genuinely called for getting stuff wrong.

Actually.

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you don't have any room to talk about reputations. You've been called so many times on bs it's unbelievable. So say er to that.

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- You and your Blu/PS3 mates merely claiming I'm not telling the truth doesn't count.

I haven't misled anyone and where I have ever been wrong I have been happy to stand corrected.

I think in terms of what has been happening and what I said would happen I am with far more 'credit' to the good than being genuinely called for getting stuff wrong.

Actually.

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All you do is repeat articles verbatim that you find on obsecure HDDVD fanboy websites. You've been saying for over a year now that HDDVD has won the format war blah blah blah . You were full of it then and you're full of it now. I'm not partial to either one I just happen to own a PS3 and think that all this is a little ridiculous. I mean the whole transformers exclusive thing is retarded, they're just throwing money in the trash. Sure there are bugs in the BluRay technology but they'll work them out it's a new technology. HDVD is just a modified version of an old standard.

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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All you do is repeat articles verbatim that you find on obsecure HDDVD fanboy websites.

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- Well that's one (very weak & lame) way to dismiss contrary facts.

Laughable.

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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You've been saying for over a year now that HDDVD has won the format war blah blah blah .

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- Wrong.

What I actually said was that it was my view (when the facts are considered) that HD DVD would win the war in the far wider & larger adult a/v market and that Blu-ray's obvious over-reliance on the PS3 would not carry be sufficient to allow Blu-ray to take that bigger a/v market.

I have also previously commented that it was very 'early days' to believe that the CE mnufacturing support & the movie studio situation was set in stone.
I said that the manufacturing & studio support situation would change as HD DVD's user base grew.

Which is exactly what has happened & is happening.

That's nothing like the same thing as you're claiming I've said.

But it is, once again, a typical reverting-to-type complete misrepresentation.

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I'm not partial to either one I just happen to own a PS3.......they're just throwing money in the trash.

Sure there are bugs in the BluRay technology but they'll work them out it's a new technology.

HDVD is just a modified version of an old standard.

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- Yeah right, nothing loaded, partial or inaccurate & obviously following an agenda there at all, eh?

LMAO

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I mean the whole transformers exclusive thing is retarded, they're just throwing money in the trash. Sure there are bugs in the BluRay technology but they'll work them out it's a new technology. HDVD is just a modified version of an old standard.

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Hang on! You've just stated that HD DVD is a modified version of an old standard! Someone is a silly billy. For you see you are either completly wrong and are just saying an BS the bluerayfags tell you, which means your a fag, as u beleive anything fags tell you.

OR it also means BR is a modified version of an old standard aswell, either case, you EPIC FAIL! just like all the sonyfags around!

Originally posted by Bigperm88:

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Its just full of rabid chest humping fanboys.

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LOL......not a pretty picture.

Why are they making it so hard for me? I have the $$$. But now I really can't choose between a 360 and PS3. One of my friends has a 360 and the other has a PS3 with a Samsung 1080P TV. I find the PS3 appealing, except for the fact that it just seems unfinished, and they keep ripping it apart and throwing together too many hybrids, giving me too many options that I care to think about. There are things I like about the 360, but I'm not confident about the hardware yet. Why throw the movie industry into the mess? It's just going to take that much longer for them to see my $$$. I'll be keeping a close eye on things these next 2 months though. I may get my Samsung 1080P soon. Then it's up to either console camp to show me some more stability and innovation.

I can verify, as a former employee, that Best Buy does NOT match any Black Friday "Early Bird" specials. They WILL match the weekend specials.

For example, the 6am-12pm window on a laptop, TV, PC, etc. that is way underpriced and people wait out in line for hours for? Yeah, they're not price matching those items. The $5 flash card or $15 movie that's on sale all weekend: yes, they will price match that.

Just some clarification.

Oh and don't try to buy an item 2 days before Black Friday that is in the ad, because they will deny your request to "price match" even though you purchased from the same store. Rational being that they "Don't Price Match" the "Early Bird" specials. Got it?

Best Buy and Circuit City are now offering Toshiba's latest third-generation A3 player for $199, $100 off the original price.

This also includes 7 free HD DVDs - two of which can be selected instantly and another 5 sent via mail-in offer.

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I mean the whole transformers exclusive thing is retarded, they're just throwing money in the trash. Sure there are bugs in the BluRay technology but they'll work them out it's a new technology. HDVD is just a modified version of an old standard.

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Hang on! You've just stated that HD DVD is a modified version of an old standard! Someone is a silly billy. For you see you are either completly wrong and are just saying an BS the bluerayfags tell you, which means your a fag, as u beleive anything fags tell you.

OR it also means BR is a modified version of an old standard aswell, either case, you EPIC FAIL! just like all the sonyfags around!

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HDVD is a upgrade to DVD theres no doubt there, but the kicker is its at worst a 10GB gap and that 10GB is unneeded and even more so at 2X the price.

BR will have to somehow price match in the next few months or be washed away by the compentition, I would like to see sony do soemthign great but its mostly treble...but great...greatly treble things....

@hughjars,I'm just wondering if that offer is good NOW or gotta wait until until BF..?and can 2 movies be selected right then and there?wihch was it that had 2 movies in the box?

and oh yea, people on BOTH sides of this 'war' were saying that this time of the year might determine the winner, based on which format had the cheaper player's and higher sales numbers, well we already know the first part..now we just gotta wait to see those sales numbers

@ Hughjars
Wow. You can't argue with someone if they can't admit the truth I guess. Wether you choose to believe it you have actually been spouting the same nonsense for well over a year. I'll mark my calendar for six months from now and I guarantee you'll be here saying the same thing.

@Riotard
I guess if the best you can do is call people fags. That says it all right there.

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@hughjars,I'm just wondering if that offer is good NOW or gotta wait until until BF..?

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- Black Friday might be better or it might be about the Gen 3 HD A3, depends on stocks lasting
(tho if those earlier stories of Walmart getting 2 million HD A2s @ $50 a go then it might not be a problem).

BTW I see Amazon habve just dropped their HD A2 to $129.

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and can 2 movies be selected right then and there?wihch was it that had 2 movies in the box?

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- You'll have to check with the stores.
I've seen '300' & 'Bourne' boxed and read of others selecting movies there and then.

The HD A3 comes with 9 movies for $199 at Best Buy right now. 2 in the box, pick 2 off the shelf, 5 by mail.

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Wow. You can't argue with someone if they can't admit the truth I guess.

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- Naaaaa, more like you can't argue your point cos you are someone who can't link to actually prove your misrepresentation(s).

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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Wether you choose to believe it you have actually been spouting the same nonsense for well over a year.

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- I have certainly seen nothing to disprove or undermine my view of the market if that is what you mean.

All along what I have been saying would happen is either in the process of happening or has happened.

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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I'll mark my calendar for six months from now and I guarantee you'll be here saying the same thing.

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- In 6 months time you'll be whining that PS3/Blu-ray (still trailing in it's own game market) has stalled out and is getting shrinking support as HD DVD continues to grow nicely.

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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@ Hughjars
I'll mark my calendar for six months from now and I guarantee you'll be here saying the same thing.

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I agree lol

I find it sad how all of you are arguing over discs... They're made to watch movies in high definition right? Personally, I like Blu-Ray because I like Sony. I've never had any problems with their products. But anyways, As long as they do what they're supposed to do, I'm happy. I'm not gonna hook up a DVD player to my modem for extra content though... Too much of a hassle just to watch that extra crap that I couldn't care less about or whatever :P

Christ didnt take long for the hd dvd and 360 fanboys to jump on here. And BD is superiour to HD-DVD in every way besides cost. Essentially its like the Nintendo of the high def formats. Not that theres anything wrong with nintendo, but high def wont be a mainstream thing in all the households for years down the road and right now its not about price its about specs 1080i vs 1080p 30gig vs 60 gig.

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its not about price its about specs 1080i vs 1080p 30gig vs 60 gig.

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You have got to be kidding if you think price is not an issue? For 95% of the people it is. Stop living with your parents, live on your own, pay bills and tell me price is not an issue.

If price wasn't an issue, I'd be driving a Porsche and wiping my @$$ with 20 dollar bills.

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Sony has begun a "much more aggressive" holiday marketing campaign with an emphasis on the PlayStation 3's Blu-ray playback.

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Wow, smart move. "Buy are new game console, it plays movies too!"

*DISCLAIMER* I am in no way a Nintendo, Microsoft, etc. fanboy. I own a PS1, PS2, and PSP. I also have a Sony Clie, Sony surround sound system, and there is also a Sony Vaio here. I am not a Sony fanboy either. XP is running, either by itself in dual-boot with another OS, on all computers here. I also have a gameboy, gameboy color, and NES. It is pretty sad I have to write a disclaimer longer than my post just to prevent backlash from all the fanboys.

Jesus, as soon as I read the article I knew there was going to be a fire storm of posts..lmao. I just want to say that today, at lunch, I went and purchased Toshiba's HD-A3 model for a sweet price of 199. They also through in the 7 free movies(two of which were included)in the deal. I think the only chance Blue-ray has of winning this format war is due to Sony's campaigning but, that will fall short of being enough to help the Blue-ray. There over pricey equipment/media will not help either.

Originally posted by canuckerz:

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And BD is superiour to HD-DVD in every way besides cost.

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- Utter rubbish.

They can look exactly the same but more often than not HD DVD looks and sounds the better of the 2.

Originally posted by canuckerz:

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its not about price

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- I think you'll find that in the mass-market it is mostly about price; it was with just about every other innovation you care to name.

.....and of course it helps that by any practical and realistic measure Blu-ray can do nothing that HD DVD cannot do for a lot less cash.

Originally posted by canuckerz:

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its about specs 1080i vs 1080p

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- Er, no.

On a 1080p HD TV (unless it's a real low quality one & you have a really cr@ppy deinterlacer in it) they look exactly the same, a 1080p HD TV can only display a 1080p image.

If you haven't got a 1080p TV then the point is redundant anyways cos you can't 'see' 1080p.

.....and 1080p/24 (which both formats can do) is meaningless to the vast majority of 1080p HD TVs too, as most are 1080p/60Hz.

Originally posted by canuckerz:

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30gig vs 60 gig.

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- I think you're trying to say 30gb vs 50gb.

Couple of things.

1) sheer size proves nothing - the majority of Blu-ray releases are on 25gb single layer BD discs, actually.

Blu-ray uses a BD25 disc 54% of the time rather than BD50 and 40% of the time they haven't bothered with lossless either.

http://www.blu-raystats.com/index.php

2) HD DVD will very shortly (within 2 months) have the 51gb disc.

3) Blu-ray discs max out in practice at around 46 - 47gb otherwise the failure rates go through the roof.
That's why you'll not find any movies greater than this size on the ripping sites.

4) mere specs are not the basis of anything, wake up, it's all about the skills of the encoder & the quality of the encoding process.

That's why, for instance, the Dolby Digital plus audio track of Transformers sounds so good, the spec sheet jockeys cant understand this but that's what you get when you only are receptive to a grossly over-simplified version of how this stuff actually works.

I just came back from wal-mart and they got a $98 HD-DVD if someone is interested.

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- Naaaaa, more like you can't argue your point cos you are someone who can't link to actually prove your misrepresentation(s).

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I've posted links before (and so have others) you just quit replying when proved wrong. We all know you get your info from www.hddvdfanofthemonth.com or some obscure equivalent. Plus it's kind of hard to send you a link when you see it in the store with your own two eyes and I've got 20/20 vision.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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- I have certainly seen nothing to disprove or undermine my view of the market if that is what you mean.

All along what I have been saying would happen is either in the process of happening or has happened.

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I don't remember you saying that HDDVD would bottom out the prices of their players low enough to compete with standard DVD's out of pure desperation. Because that is what has happened.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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- In 6 months time you'll be whining that PS3/Blu-ray (still trailing in it's own game market) has stalled out and is getting shrinking support as HD DVD continues to grow nicely.

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According to your earlier prediction Blu Ray won't even exist in six months. You keep changing it up. You're killing me man you're killing me.

Uh oh...

It's on!

lol

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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I've posted links before (and so have others) you just quit replying when proved wrong.

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- Yeah. 'Proved'. Right. Sure.

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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We all know you get your info from www.hddvdfanofthemonth.com or some obscure equivalent.

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- You should be on the stage.

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Plus it's kind of hard to send you a link when you see it in the store with your own two eyes and I've got 20/20 vision.

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- Risible.

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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I don't remember you saying that HDDVD would bottom out the prices of their players low enough to compete with standard DVD's out of pure desperation.

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- Er, actually I have said for quite some time that the real target for HD DVD is DVD.

.....and "desperation"?
Ludicrous.

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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According to your earlier prediction Blu Ray won't even exist in six months.

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- Liar.

Originally posted by OhCrap:

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You keep changing it up. You're killing me man you're killing me.

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- No, you're just being a rather tedious troll.

Good day.

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Originally posted by OhCrap:

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According to your earlier prediction Blu Ray won't even exist in six months.

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- Liar.

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You've said that before...

Funny thing!

Sonyedited complain and go lol, because it says it all when i call them edited!

Lets forget that they have ahd a nice shower in Sony crap, and have licked Sony's **** soooo much! YAY! RIP OFFS! mnomnonmnoononmnonmnomnonmnmnon TASTY!

Thing is i don't understadn why i have to pay £10 more for a GAME which is one PORTED and is therefore cr*per! When it is on a system which is ONE CHEAPER, two HAS CHEAPER GAMES!, three GAMES ARE DEVELOPED FOR IT! NOT PORTED!

Also u pay that extra £10, for sapce which isn't actually used. Which is the same reason BR is a failign format, there is a cheaper alternative, which uses less space, so cheaper to make for, so its jsut ported to the more expensive format! LOL!

Enough said from the guy that calls peoples edited!

:P OHCRAP!

You know, I can't remember the last post that actually used logic in an argument and not just name calling and assumed facts.

Riotard...lets stop with the sexual orientation bashing of Sony lovers. No more fag references.

Hughjars and OhCrap, knock it off. If you two want to keep debating take it PM's.

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You have got to be kidding if you think price is not an issue? For 95% of the people it is. Stop living with your parents, live on your own, pay bills and tell me price is not an issue.

If price wasn't an issue, I'd be driving a Porsche and wiping my @$$ with 20 dollar bills.

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lol so true

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Originally posted by Bigperm88:

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Its just full of rabid chest humping fanboys.

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Why are they making it so hard for me? I have the $$$. But now I really can't choose between a 360 and PS3. One of my friends has a 360 and the other has a PS3 with a Samsung 1080P TV. I find the PS3 appealing, except for the fact that it just seems unfinished, and they keep ripping it apart and throwing together too many hybrids, giving me too many options that I care to think about. There are things I like about the 360, but I'm not confident about the hardware yet. Why throw the movie industry into the mess? It's just going to take that much longer for them to see my $$$. I'll be keeping a close eye on things these next 2 months though. I may get my Samsung 1080P soon. Then it's up to either console camp to show me some more stability and innovation.

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Buy a 360. It has more games. And they are starting to support 1080P. If Sony keep going the way it is now. It will be a blu - ray player that can play a the odd game or two.

I swear every time Sony makes a positive move all hate just feels the post board like a fart in a closet with 30 people crammed in lol. It only shows if you have enough time to dissect all the specs of a product you dont like and hate then you really need to get out and smell some fresh air.

Originally posted by spydah:

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I swear every time Sony makes a positive move all hate just feels the post board like a fart in a closet with 30 people crammed in lol. It only shows if you have enough time to dissect all the specs of a product you dont like and hate then you really need to get out and smell some fresh air.

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the 40GB unit is NOT a step forward.

Was going to get an xbox360 then learned of the rrod on 80% of them. No thanks. Then I thought..maybe the PS3...only to learn that FF13 wont be out till 2009 (God only knows if Ico 2 is coming). Plus the PS3 is unmoddable. F That!!

So I bought a dual core, 2 gigs of ram, and an x1900 video card all for under 400 bucks at newegg.

Crysis, CoD4, Jericho, Timeshift and The Witcher all run smooth as silk, with all graphic options jacked up on a 22' monitor. And then there is Mame32, NullDC, and emule! Not to mention my Dual Core runs Blu-Ray isos perfectly


Couldn't..be..happier!

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Was going to get an xbox360 then learned of the rrod on 80% of them. No thanks. Then I thought..maybe the PS3...only to learn that FF13 wont be out till 2009 (God only knows if Ico 2 is coming). Plus the PS3 is unmoddable. F That!!

So I bought a dual core, 2 gigs of ram, and an x1900 video card all for under 400 bucks at newegg.

Crysis, CoD4, Jericho, Timeshift and The Witcher all run smooth as silk, with all graphic options jacked up on a 22' monitor. And then there is Mame32, NullDC, and emule! Not to mention my Dual Core runs Blu-Ray isos perfectly


Couldn't..be..happier!

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umm...and its 30% at most and with the fixs thats been halved on new units.....

x1900 ? weak man that will barely run most newer games at medium power, on toms VGA charts most fall behind the 8800s by 20FPS or more, then again I have a 7600 card so I shouldn't say LOL
Bioshock runs like crap and so dose UT3 it dosent help epic dumped the safe mode on the UE3 engine and nivida drivers blow ><

If I could get a 1950 basically this
http://www.directron.com/h195prqt512dda.html
for under 190 I would and ignore the nivida crap for a couple years but for 50 more I can get a GT that will outpower it in everything ><

Originally posted by LOCOENG:

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Riotard...lets stop with the sexual orientation bashing of Sony lovers. No more fag references.

Hughjars and OhCrap, knock it off. If you two want to keep debating take it PM's.

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Thank you, LOCOENG.

I have been reading (and learning) from this site for a over a year now. Comments like Riotard made are totally uncalled for.

A few months ago when BlockBuster anounced they were dropping HD I thought the "war" was over. I guess not.

sony has better technology, but they came in wrong time first with ps3 launch, and now they are promoting on the right thing in the wrong way.
what happened sony laid of the marketing and promoting team or they so messed up

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I swear every time Sony makes a positive move all hate just feels the post board like a fart in a closet with 30 people crammed in lol. It only shows if you have enough time to dissect all the specs of a product you dont like and hate then you really need to get out and smell some fresh air.

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How so because of BC. I think if your only reason to get a system is to play your old collection then its pointless to want that system. Sometimes it is nice to play a old game every now and then but its not as serious as a lot of ya'll make it. This is a step in the right direction for price that people complained about for a year and its affordable just like a premium 360 so it is a step in the right direction. Forget about the hard drive because you can upgrade on your own time to what you want there isnt a limit on that like the 360. That isnt a insult to what the MS fan club i know i know yall love to jump on any comparison comments. The only limit i seen on this system was they removed the memory card multi-slot from it. But thats not big deal at all. If this system was $500 or more then it would be a step back.

Ya, even when I get my 80GB, I'm still gonna get another HDD anyways when they finally hack it. Hopefully it'll be sometime early next year they do because they're so close to a swap hack. And of course one hack leads to another :)

When I bought my PS2, I used it as a DVD player also. How is it so hard to understand that the situation is the same now as it was then?

@HJ:

You were wrong about K-Mart backing HD. Its not a big deal, but you did ask when you had ever mislead with your comments.

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If price wasn't an issue, I'd be driving a Porsche and wiping my @$$ with 20 dollar bills.

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True that. Although I do like blu-ray better, not for clarity, but the colours are brighter, that is the noticable difference. Most human eyes can't differ between clarity of ~1080i and above anyways. OLED's have a million to one contrast, guess who has them in the making??? Sony. Anyways I think sony is gonna win because they are still bitter about the betamax loss, and betamax was the better product back then too. I with you on the price, sony really should drop a lot soon...or else..they'll lose the war.

Originally posted by sciascia:

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When I bought my PS2, I used it as a DVD player also. How is it so hard to understand that the situation is the same now as it was then?

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It's not the same. You were probably transitioning from VHS to DVD, where you jump to a higher quality image while keeping your television for another 10+ years. This is an entirely different ballgame. To really appreciate a PS3 and bluray, you need a new television if you haven't already switched to HD. And the amount of research needed (and the pricetag) to get a new television can be daunting to the average person. I'm personally ticked that most 360 and PS3 games are not in 1080P. Devs should be putting out all of their games in all the formats, so as not to alienate their customers. My friend has a 40" 1080P television that doesn't support any other formats. We loaded up Transformers on the PS3 and except for gameplay, I may as well have been playing the PS2 version. It looked like crap. And Skate doesn't look as smooth as it should IMO. These are new games. This shouldn't evn be an issue.

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Originally posted by sciascia:

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When I bought my PS2, I used it as a DVD player also. How is it so hard to understand that the situation is the same now as it was then?

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It's not the same. You were probably transitioning from VHS to DVD, where you jump to a higher quality image while keeping your television for another 10+ years. This is an entirely different ballgame. To really appreciate a PS3 and bluray, you need a new television if you haven't already switched to HD. And the amount of research needed (and the pricetag) to get a new television can be daunting to the average person. I'm personally ticked that most 360 and PS3 games are not in 1080P. Devs should be putting out all of their games in all the formats, so as not to alienate their customers. My friend has a 40" 1080P television that doesn't support any other formats. We loaded up Transformers on the PS3 and except for gameplay, I may as well have been playing the PS2 version. It looked like crap. And Skate doesn't look as smooth as it should IMO. These are new games. This shouldn't evn be an issue.

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why would they build a TV that can't handle multi formats?
thats more a problem, you need a TV that can handle the multi formats because theres no one standard.


Both MS and sony have made a push to support Hdef but tis really higher than standard def they are supporting and both have foudn they can't even afford to fully support the changing Hdef market.

I like the bashing in these threads its so fun to watch people Squable over Company's who in my mind could careless what there loyle
fans think witch include Sony & Microsoft.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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why would they build a TV that can't handle multi formats?
thats more a problem, you need a TV that can handle the multi formats because theres no one standard.


Both MS and sony have made a push to support Hdef but tis really higher than standard def they are supporting and both have found they can't even afford to fully support the changing Hdef market.

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Yeah, that baffled me too. I went to my friends house to check out his new TV. Flipped through his instruction manual, trying to find how to adjust all the settings. There are no settings for resolution. And it's not like the TV adapts to lower resolutions. The 720P and 1080i signal quality is noticeable. Especially when comparing it to a 1080P game, like Virtua Tennis 3. I didn't even like the way NHL 07 looked. Anyway, my friend happens to be one of those average users who didn't do his research. I'm not sure if the cable company will provide something for him to upscale their signal. He doesn't care much about the resolution for videogames. He likes bluray and watches sports. Even if he would have asked my advice on the issue, he probably would've still gotten the same television. He just didn't know what questions to ask the sales people in blue shirts :-P and they pushed 1080P as being "the best." I personally will not buy a console unless I can test it on a number of televisions. Even if that means bringing my friends console and his games to Best Buy and testing all the 720 and 1080 games. Gaming is just more important to me than sports and movies.

Originally posted by ChiknLitl:

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Just a side note, and nothing against the PS3, but why would I want to watch movies on my game system and risk wear and tear on the drive/laser? If a stand alone player breaks you grab another cheap one. The price of players always goes down. If your console breaks you potentialy shell out serious dough, the price dwindles slowly. The PS2 has been around for around, what, 7 years and it's still $129 even though they have another system out already!

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Here the thing that annoys me about this type of argument:

- The average person in this world does not take into account wear and tear on a laser. Therefore people will buy it and possibly watch it without a care in the world that they are risking their laser.

-If it breaks they can buy a cheap replacement? who the fuck buys something thinking "well, if it breaks atleast i can get another one cheap aswell". The average person thinks if they buy something it will work, if it breaks, they will have it replaced for free.

-If my console broke i would expect a free replacement for selling me something that doesn't work. Did all those people whose xbox360 died have to pay for a new? NO!. If they did you would hear alot more complaints about their supposed 40% failure rate etc.

Originally posted by emugamer:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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why would they build a TV that can't handle multi formats?
thats more a problem, you need a TV that can handle the multi formats because theres no one standard.


Both MS and sony have made a push to support Hdef but tis really higher than standard def they are supporting and both have found they can't even afford to fully support the changing Hdef market.

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Yeah, that baffled me too. I went to my friends house to check out his new TV. Flipped through his instruction manual, trying to find how to adjust all the settings. There are no settings for resolution. And it's not like the TV adapts to lower resolutions. The 720P and 1080i signal quality is noticeable. Especially when comparing it to a 1080P game, like Virtua Tennis 3. I didn't even like the way NHL 07 looked. Anyway, my friend happens to be one of those average users who didn't do his research. I'm not sure if the cable company will provide something for him to upscale their signal. He doesn't care much about the resolution for videogames. He likes bluray and watches sports. Even if he would have asked my advice on the issue, he probably would've still gotten the same television. He just didn't know what questions to ask the sales people in blue shirts :-P and they pushed 1080P as being "the best." I personally will not buy a console unless I can test it on a number of televisions. Even if that means bringing my friends console and his games to Best Buy and testing all the 720 and 1080 games. Gaming is just more important to me than sports and movies.

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If has 200-300+ look for a converter box(HD upconverter/HDTV Upconverter) this can be any DVR/reviver/whatnot that can take in most formats and put out to what the TV is, altho it might wind up be more like 400-500 for the good quality stuff but if hes got it it might be as good or better than buying a new TV and selling off the other.

The best time to gwt in all this blu-ray and hd dvd market is when all the hype is gone...