PS3 sales fall again in Japan

Once again we ask - what are the total sales since launch ? I have no doubt that the above figures are true but seeing as the PS3 has been selling in Japan for about 2 years now and for most of that time the X Box wasn't even on the horizon ( in Japan ) - what are total sales of all the consoles since launch ? Obviously, unless people who already own a console buy a new model of the same console every month ( unlikely and stupid ) - isn't it a given that sales will eventually drop off of any product in such a situation ?

I don't think sony is too worried. They are just trying to make a profit off of the system, not sell the most. If you look at the numbers, their 8 year old PS2 is still selling almost as much as the xbox 360. They must be making a huge profit off that system by now.

Wow at PSP sales...

Japan YTD total sales figures by Media Create

Wii - 2,215,488

PS3 - 689,482

360 - 212,785


Japan total sales figures since launch

Wii - ???

PS3 - 2,345,548

360 - 729,074


Euro YTD sales figures

Wii - 4,519,000

PS3 - 2,082,000

360 - 1,417,000


Total WW YTD sales figures by Nintendo

Wii - 11,912,477

PS3 - 5,022,414

360 - 3,857,185


The total sales numbers for the US this year currently shows the PS3 ahead by only about 200,000 vs the 360 (Wii is obviously way ahead). The 360 has had about 8 weeks of "better" sales in Japan but the totals for that period is something like 28,000 and with that being such a low number that "lead" in sales for just 8 weeks will disappear when the new PS3 80gb bundles come out there soon. But even if not, the year totals show the trend for that & the Euro market.

I think the 360 will probably take the US sales this year but not by much, it really depends on if this holiday season people want the cheaper console with only 2 new games (360), the "weird" fun console that has no new games (Wii), or the more expensive console with the most new games available this holiday season (PS3). That coupled with The Dark Knight POSSIBLY getting a PS3 bundle will keep it too close to call until after the holidays.

Thanks for that Oner - very interesting and informative - goes to show how spin can be used in conjunction with statistics to produce a biased slant toward one console or the other as is the case of this article.
The bottom line is that for every Xbox sold in Japan , more than 3 Sony PS3 have been sold.

Originally posted by domie:

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Thanks for that Oner - very interesting and informative - goes to show how spin can be used in conjunction with statistics to produce a biased slant toward one console or the other as is the case of this article.
The bottom line is that for every Xbox sold in Japan , more than 3 Sony PS3 have been sold.

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And 3x Wii's have been sold over that! But yeah the spin doctors are always at work somewhere ;). Either way I am glad I have all 3 but with the lack of titles for the Wii it just sits there, while my 360 hasn't been turned on for at least 6 months (easily) for fear of it RROD'ing again and nothing of great importance to play (but with GeOW2 coming soon it should get some use even if for a week..maybe) but my PS3 has been getting the most play with

LBP Beta
R2 Beta
Home Beta
Motorstorm 2 Beta
Socom Beta
GT5P
COD4
Vegas Poker PSN
WipeoutHD PSN
Jeopardy PSN
Qore PSN
Web Browser update
and quite a few more

This year has been a vast improvement over last year! And I'm still trying (daily) to get in the Killzone 2 Beta...I've tapped all my resources and haven't gotten any closer! I have to rely on my 4 Qore Episode codes I have to possibly work a trade :(

Originally posted by domie:

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Thanks for that Oner - very interesting and informative - goes to show how spin can be used in conjunction with statistics to produce a biased slant toward one console or the other as is the case of this article.
The bottom line is that for every Xbox sold in Japan , more than 3 Sony PS3 have been sold.

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Hmm, how exactly is this article biased? This was based on THIS WEEK'S sales. If I was writing an article on YTD sales, the you would have gotten your YTD numbers.

The PS3 sales falling was the most interesting note of the weekly sales numbers, hence the title. If not, next time I can title the article, "Xbox 360 sales fall 4 percent for the week", is that better for you?

Being that I own 2 PS3s and no Xbox 360s makes me clearly biased, obviously.

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I think the 360 will probably take the US sales this year but not by much, it really depends on if this holiday season people want the cheaper console with only 2 new games (360), the "weird" fun console that has no new games (Wii), or the more expensive console with the most new games available this holiday season (PS3). That coupled with The Dark Knight POSSIBLY getting a PS3 bundle will keep it too close to call until after the holidays.

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With only 2 new games? What the hell are you on about! It has 2 exclusives comign out, but tbh, they are a lot better than what PS3's exclusive's are offering! PS3 has Resistance 2, a decent FPS, nothing special, LBP if you want that game you clearly must be 3 and havn't got the cash to buy a ps3. Then you have motorstorm 2, demo is poor, motorstorm 1 wasn't anythign special, 2 looks possibly even worse.

Considering Fallout 3 runs a lot better on 360 than ps3, fact, you can hardly say the PS3 has the most new games. Its know 360 is the king of games, it is shown in their games per consol sold.

What this thread had shown is how filled with childish fanboyism they truely are. I will happily admit the ps3 is a more powerful consol, yet it is rediculusly hard to code for 8 processors! 360 is for gaming, wii is for family fun, ps3 is for blueray. Its a fact!

With the credit cruch, cheap is better, especially when if u want a gamign consol, you can get exactly the same games but on a cheaper system!

DVDBack I don't think it was meant towards you just the mass media Sony bias in general.

MrXenu, if u put it like that, then i can say the same thing about the 360. Halo is for retards and Gears of war is for idiots. If u stereotype a game a specific audience, then of course your argument would win. LBG is not just for 3 year olds(if anything, the level creator and online features may be too much for a 3 year old), Mario is played by people of all ages, all because a game doesn't have blood, gore, or violence, doesn't mean it's for a younger audience. TBH halo 3 wasn't too spectacular in gameplay, the features were nice though, and gears of war has its fair share of flaws. Name one instance of childish zeal in this thread. Really, the 360 had its good share of games, but for once, the other console might have a better holiday season, it's not going to affect you in any way, so why criticize things randomly. At least make a sound argument, rather than just stereotyping everything.

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With only 2 new games? What the hell are you on about! It has 2 exclusives comign out, but tbh, they are a lot better than what PS3's exclusive's are offering! PS3 has Resistance 2, a decent FPS, nothing special, LBP if you want that game you clearly must be 3 and havn't got the cash to buy a ps3. Then you have motorstorm 2, demo is poor, motorstorm 1 wasn't anythign special, 2 looks possibly even worse.

Considering Fallout 3 runs a lot better on 360 than ps3, fact, you can hardly say the PS3 has the most new games. Its know 360 is the king of games, it is shown in their games per consol sold.

What this thread had shown is how filled with childish fanboyism they truely are. I will happily admit the ps3 is a more powerful consol, yet it is rediculusly hard to code for 8 processors! 360 is for gaming, wii is for family fun, ps3 is for blueray. Its a fact!

With the credit cruch, cheap is better, especially when if u want a gamign consol, you can get exactly the same games but on a cheaper system!

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Fable & Gears is all the 360 REALLY has this holiday season. Banjo? Come on.

Resistance has a 91 @ metacritic and has MUCH more to offer (60 player online, 2 totally DIFFERENT sets of offline gameplay SP & Co-op etc.) compared that to Gears of War 2 (5 vs 5 & 10 hours of gameplay?). Not to mention the story line is ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME IN both Gears! Cause a cave in, get rescued by a helicopter...nice way to offer new and exciting gameplay on almost the same boards throughout the game (*cough ripoff)!

LBP has a metacritic of 96, and has been touted as a genre defining game. A fun, creative game. Anybody can make their imagination come alive with this title...but yeah I mean as you say it is only for 3 year olds right? Please.

Motorstorm 1 is without a doubt one of the best arcade off road racers to be made. Because YOU think it wasn't (probably haven't even tried it) doesn't make it a bland game. M2 has gotten slightly lower metacritic (so far) but is still on par with the first in terms of gameplay style and effect.

Fallout 3 has EQUAL problems on ALL systems released PS3, 360 & PC go check their forums out to confirm this yourself and quit the bias. I don't have to prove that as Bethesdas forums do so for me.

3rd party devs are making more money off the PS3 and attachment rates are now HIGHER on the PS3 (they where on the 360 last year) Sources

Analysis: PS3 selling more games than Xbox 360 with smaller install base

PlayStation 3 to get more 3rd Party Support in 2009

I wonder why with the Euro price cut of the 360 it hasn't surpassed the PS3? Why is it the US price cut hasn't changed the 360's sales significantly? Why is it with the price cuts the 360 has had it can't touch the Wii being it is less expensive than it? Yet the PS3 being a more expensive console still tops sales of the 360 WW YTD?

You come here and blab about fanboyism and it seems you are the only one being childish touting opinion as "fact". I may have stated opinion in my post but only for opinions. Nowhere do my FACTS come from opinion. I think you should tone down your finger pointing and stick with a simple DISCUSSION then it won't be so "fanboy".

Wow, moderator bullying, that's a new one

hahahaha, whats new?
sony r stupid, why do you think the psp and ps2 are still alive?, they neeeeeed the money

Originally posted by Gradical:

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Wow, moderator bullying, that's a new one

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Please explain? Was that for me or DVDBack? Either way I don't see how as all I did was give an explanation and warn him of his improper "fanboy" references. Which now also apply to F4had. Was that really necessary? Is there something more you would like to elaborate on or just come here and post more stuff along the lines of "sony r stupid" as you so eloquently describe?

Edit: you know what, scratch that, don't even bother as it will only derail the topic of which is being discussed.

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Wow, moderator bullying, that's a new one

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All he did was give facts & some people have a problem with that here.

Listen guys, the reason Oner sounds like he has a grudge is not really because he has anything against Microsoft but it's because, do I dare to say, he's kinda like me. Let me explain...

Being somebody whos grown up on the playstation brand I have always supported Sony. Obviously, I held out on the next gen console until the PS3 came out. Well, once I got mine and started getting into the next gen discussions it became obvious that there are MANY immature Xbox fanboys out there who really know NOTHING about the PS3 and only know their parent bought them a 360 for Christmas.

PS3 owners are always having to defend their system of choice arguing with people that probably shouldn't engage in a relavent discussion in the first place. Sony bashing is extremely rampant and quite frankly it's pretty lame.

So when someone like Oner comes and lays some facts out of course people are going to argue back with nonsense because hey, we are talking about a subject that involves praise to the PS3 right? Point is, PS3 owners are more likely to be older an mature than 360 owners just because of the price. The older crowd that bought their PS3s are more likely to be able to afford more games. I mean seriously, when you were 13 were you buying your own video games every month or were you waiting on your birthday? I'm not saying all 360 owners are little kids, but a lot are.

If you are a 360 fanboy by choice, meaning YOU bought your system and NOT because it was the cheapest, then by all means support it. Otherwise, I personally feel that you have no right to even voice your opinion regarding next gen gaming. Much less spit out false information as true.

This post isn't related to any one person, but more or less the 360 fanboys I have ran across. On a side note I have owned my PS3 for roughly a year and I currently own 15 games and 16 bluray movies. If you recieved your 360 for christmas how many games and HD-DVD have you purchased?

not to offend but mr oner sr you are the one being offended by sonys mayor fail!! if in this day and age you still favor sony there is a problem with you and every sony fanboy period you have to be a sony fanboy to say that the ps3 is better than any system look at sales! when the cube xbox and ps2 where out the ps2 was the crapiest system but what made it sell? graphics? hell no!! games and only games kept and keep it alive and people called it the best system even if it wasnt ok the fact is that everybody that had and has a ps2 thought that the ps3 would win the so called console wars and who won??? do i really have to say it? please the same goes for any portable out there nintendo owns that market and the pandora is twice more powerfull than the psp you think sony is gaining any money?? ps3 cost more to make than to sell same for psp i have them and i love them but dont get me wrong im still waiting for the final fantasy that will raise the ps3 out of the shadows like it did for the ps2 but i dont think is going to happen

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not to offend but mr oner sr you are the one being offended by sonys mayor fail!! if in this day and age you still favor sony there is a problem with you and every sony fanboy period you have to be a sony fanboy to say that the ps3 is better than any system look at sales! when the cube xbox and ps2 where out the ps2 was the crapiest system but what made it sell? graphics? hell no!! games and only games kept and keep it alive and people called it the best system even if it wasnt ok the fact is that everybody that had and has a ps2 thought that the ps3 would win the so called console wars and who won??? do i really have to say it? please the same goes for any portable out there nintendo owns that market and the pandora is twice more powerfull than the psp you think sony is gaining any money?? ps3 cost more to make than to sell same for psp i have them and i love them but dont get me wrong im still waiting for the final fantasy that will raise the ps3 out of the shadows like it did for the ps2 but i dont think is going to happen

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Nobody said they are supporting the system based on sales. It is on personal choice. Which is probably the driving force behind your 360 support as you seem to be all "about the games".. not that its even a valid arguement anymore. If you want to have a mature discussion about it, you should first learn to spell, and second learn to discuss.

Sales of the PS3 are doing well. This year has exceeded expectations and nearly 100% of the units sold are not in need of repair from overheating. This is a LARGE factor when it comes to "losing money" on console sales which the 360 does more than ANY other console ever made in returns/refurbs/replacements alone. I dont need to link to those references as a quick google search will back me up instantly.

Yes PS2 was the better system of last gen, that was largely in part due to the games. It also has a lot to do with the fact that Sony backed it tremendously and STILL supports it to this day. Something MS failed to do as of its last game Madden 08 last fall. Sony does make money off the PS2... but thats not why they sell (especially considering that rational doesn't even make sense), they sell because it is a solid, trusted, and STILL SUPPORTED system that continues to have quality releases every month. Period. You can expect history to repeat itself similarly with the 360 as its hardware was nearly outdated when it was released. The ps3 has a larger stronger foundation to build on for years to come.

I am not going to address certain comments except to say this. Why is it people TRY to label me as a "fanboy" when the truth is I only have a PREFERENCE to a PS3? I have EVERY single console and do play them ALL. How is it when I just state my PREFERENCE it becomes something else, but yet the other way around it is okay for those who tout "360 is teh b3st, PS3rd suxorz"? Seems to be a bit of hypocrisy that comes from one side more than the other in my experience.

Which is why I still have & post my views as un-biased and with the most truth/proof & factual sources available as I can to support what I say. I mean is it not the truth the PS3 has outsold the 360 WW YTD and for every year since launch? But because I speak and post TRUTHFUL stuff certain people or types take offense with it...whatever.

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Nobody said they are supporting the system based on sales. It is on personal choice. Which is probably the driving force behind your 360 support as you seem to be all "about the games".. not that its even a valid arguement anymore. If you want to have a mature discussion about it, you should first learn to spell, and second learn to discuss

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where does it say that i support the 360? i support nobody being a gamer since the coleco vision something that you dont know about but for you new gamer born with the ps2 maybe ps one it hurts you that the ps3 doesnt sell for crap even the ds sells more isnt that a shame? a system getting beaten by a handheld/ ha ha ha if you get offended then you are the one thats inmature and cant argue...

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where does it say that i support the 360? i support nobody being a gamer since the coleco vision something that you dont know about but for you new gamer born with the ps2 maybe ps one it hurts you that the ps3 doesnt sell for crap even the ds sells more isnt that a shame? a system getting beaten by a handheld/ ha ha ha if you get offended then you are the one thats inmature and cant argue...

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You obviously think you are older than me based on your ability to reference an early console such as the "coleco vision" which is actually one word COLECOVISION. I not only owned that, but I also owned a 2600 (that was made by Atari, not "at ari" if your were wondering) and nearly every other console since. I'm also old enough to understand this has NOTHING to do with sales of the PS3.

I'm not sure what your first few points are based on you lack of sentence structure and horrific spelling.. ironic for someone your age as you have had time to learn these things. I was however able to decode enough of your incoherant rant in order to understand that you labeled the PS3's sales as not selling for "crap". This is again a topic that centers around a WEEKS worth of sales thus rendering your (lack of a) point useless. Especially when compared to the current years sales and the fact that even a price cut on the 360 has yet to hinder the PS3's sales. But, this was all summed up in the first few posts here... so I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish in the first place other than to rape the english language (which may or may not be your first).

oh so you do know the better days of gaming wasnt it great when we only had a stick and one button for everything? and lol at the atari joke!!

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I'm also old enough to understand this has NOTHING to do with sales of the PS3.

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my point exactly my dear friend and im in no way or manner saying that the xbox has sold more but you have to admit that the ps3 has been stagnant and me labeling the ps3 selling for crap is compared to the wii ds and even ps2 and for the tipping issue please only a 12 year old complains about that ok all im saying is that everything is selling more than the ps3 and we cant even complain about a price drop that would be murder the thing is so expensive to make that asking for a low price is like asking them to close the factories the main case is that many new gamers wont spend a dollar on good consoles they just want the best deal and save money

You make some good points in your latest post I wish you had tried that hard originally. Now that we are friends I wish I could say your "tipping" has gotten better lol.

Agree to partially disagree... or perhaps something was just lost in translation.

well i just hate when people "take sides" you know like everybody that plays halo bashes at other games of the same gen just because its not on their system. or people that try to compare metal gear to any other game (its a gen of its own) or zelda to any other adventure game and the people that do this are the people that didnt even play those games! one thing i love is video games! i mean ill play anything if it keeps me from boredom wont you?!? and im really waiting for the "final fantasy" ( by this i mean the game that makes people buy the system like it did with the ps one)that raises the ps3 from the shadows!!!

Well you charge $500 for a gaming unit when there is one for $200 that does everything but play a failing format that people just don't care about, this is what happens.

Sony = Masters of Failed propertarian formats.

Originally posted by Oner:

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I am not going to address certain comments except to say this.

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i'm not going to say ANYTHING except THIS, omfg, this is my soapbox......

Originally posted by Oner:

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Why is it people TRY to label me as a "fanboy" when the truth is I only have a PREFERENCE to a PS3? I have EVERY single console and do play them ALL. How is it when I just state my PREFERENCE it becomes something else, but yet the other way around it is okay for those who tout "360 is teh b3st, PS3rd suxorz"? Seems to be a bit of hypocrisy that comes from one side more than the other in my experience.

Which is why I still have & post my views as un-biased and with the most truth/proof & factual sources available as I can to support what I say. I mean is it not the truth the PS3 has outsold the 360 WW YTD and for every year since launch? But because I speak and post TRUTHFUL stuff certain people or types take offense with it...whatever.

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are you for real, you are a moderator on a Tech forum you job is to be unbiased and fair, you "self confessed", lopsided view, means you are unfit for the job you do.

Unless Afterdawn is counting on sony for advertising revenue, what happen with the microsoft advertising purse strings lately?

Originally posted by Oner:

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Japan YTD total sales figures by Media Create

Wii - 2,215,488

PS3 - 689,482

360 - 212,785


Japan total sales figures since launch

Wii - ???

PS3 - 2,345,548

360 - 729,074


Euro YTD sales figures

Wii - 4,519,000

PS3 - 2,082,000

360 - 1,417,000


Total WW YTD sales figures by Nintendo

Wii - 11,912,477

PS3 - 5,022,414

360 - 3,857,185


The total sales numbers for the US this year currently shows the PS3 ahead by only about 200,000 vs the 360 (Wii is obviously way ahead). The 360 has had about 8 weeks of "better" sales in Japan but the totals for that period is something like 28,000 and with that being such a low number that "lead" in sales for just 8 weeks will disappear when the new PS3 80gb bundles come out there soon. But even if not, the year totals show the trend for that & the Euro market.

I think the 360 will probably take the US sales this year but not by much, it really depends on if this holiday season people want the cheaper console with only 2 new games (360), the "weird" fun console that has no new games (Wii), or the more expensive console with the most new games available this holiday season (PS3). That coupled with The Dark Knight POSSIBLY getting a PS3 bundle will keep it too close to call until after the holidays.

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I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talkin about. The PS3 has virtually no fun games at all coming out other than two that I can think of, Little Big Planet and maybe Resistance 2 (which I think part 1 suckd, not sure about part 2). So what are you refering to when you say the PS3 "has the most new games available this holiday season"? That's a blatant lie if you ask me (and a funny one too). LOL, the thing wrong with the PS3 is it's lack of games. The PS3 only has LittleBigPlanet and Resistance 2, yes I said it again AND that's it.

All other games that are multi-plat will play much better on the 360 like Fallout 3, so from the looks of it, I think the 360 by farrrr has the wayyy better lineup this holiday. I never would've thought you of all people would be so blind. I'm sure you wanna mod me, but this is how I am when I'm objective to all users, including mods. (the truth hurts)

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Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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Hmm, how exactly is this article biased? This was based on THIS WEEK'S sales. If I was writing an article on YTD sales, the you would have gotten your YTD numbers.

The PS3 sales falling was the most interesting note of the weekly sales numbers, hence the title. If not, next time I can title the article, "Xbox 360 sales fall 4 percent for the week", is that better for you?

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I don't think you're biased mate - I was talking more in general but the article can be interpreted that way - I recognise that you were talking about a week's sales only but those who don't follow the sales trends closely ( who would want to ? ) :) could interpret it as suggesting that the PS3 is struggling in japan while the X Box is way ahead because the only reference to previous sales figures is - "the X Box continues to sell well while the PS3 keeps seeing its sales fall" It's not what the article says, it's what it doesn't say - the facts that the PS3 has been out for 2 years in Japan while the X Box has just been launched.

I don't quite see how a release date of December 10, 2005 for the 360 in Japan could in any way be stated as "just released" with only 103,990 units sold by the end of April 2, 2006.

The ps3 has done pretty well in Japan all things considered. Of course M$ will boost their sales figures with the price cut in the face of a global recession.

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I don't quite see how a release date of December 10, 2005 for the 360 in Japan could in any way be stated as "just released" with only 103,990 units sold by the end of April 2, 2006.

The ps3 has done pretty well in Japan all things considered. Of course M$ will boost their sales figures with the price cut in the face of a global recession.

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The sound of unbiased intelligence.

Looks like NoBrainer is back...and is gone again.

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I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talkin about. The PS3 has virtually no fun games at all coming out other than two that I can think of, Little Big Planet and maybe Resistance 2 (which I think part 1 suckd, not sure about part 2). So what are you refering to when you say the PS3 "has the most new games available this holiday season"? That's a blatant lie if you ask me (and a funny one too). LOL, the thing wrong with the PS3 is it's lack of games. The PS3 only has LittleBigPlanet and Resistance 2, yes I said it again AND that's it.

All other games that are multi-plat will play much better on the 360 like Fallout 3, so from the looks of it, I think the 360 by farrrr has the wayyy better lineup this holiday. I never would've thought you of all people would be so blind. I'm sure you wanna mod me, but this is how I am when I'm objective to all users, including mods. (the truth hurts)

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Obviously there are more than 2 games coming out for the 360 (I did forget LFD whoops) but the only BIG games are the 2 I mentioned. But please add to the discussion what the additional games that you know of so as to show us this great lineup.

Meanwhile I will do the same to show just a few of the NEW exclusives (since both of us can count multiplatform titles as a wash) are available this holiday season for the PS3.

Exclusive Titles
1) LBP - Big Title one to watch
2) Socom - Could be Big because of the following this brand has
3) Motorstorm 2 - Could be a Big Title but that is up in the air
4) Resistance 2 - Big title one to watch
5) White Knight Chronicles - Big title one to watch
6) NBA 09
7) Singstar v2
8) Valkyrai Chronicles - Big Title one to watch


PSN Stuff
11) Wipeout HD - Big Title one to watch
12) Home - Big Title one to watch
13) Qore
14) Bomberman Ultra
14) Buzz
15) Fat Princess - Big Title one to watch
16) Jeapardy
17) Lumines Supernova - Big Title one to watch
18) Wheel of Fortune


There are more but that is just off the top of my head. As for the Wii nothing stands out! Please someone correct me if I am wrong...I would love to have some hope of something new coming to the Wii this season that is ACTUALLY worth playing.

Look I am not trying to argue with you or anyone here. I simply posted FACTUAL sales numbers for the YTD in a thread pertaining to PS3 sales numbers for the last few weeks and it seems some people don't like those facts...again, whatever. They could take it however they want, but the truth remains exactly what it is. Truth.

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...The ps3 has done pretty well in Japan all things considered. Of course M$ will boost their sales figures with the price cut in the face of a global recession.

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Most would agree and think so, but the price cut for the 360 in Europe only raised it's sales for a very short period (couple weeks or so?) which really didn't help change anything in the overall picture. While in the US it as done nothing spectacular equally so.

Meanwhile they lost their 10 Million console lead over Nintendo & Sony, where passed by the Wii to the current tune of well over 10 Million and the PS3 is closing steadily to be within +/- 4 Million (about) with it's consistent sales while being the most expensive competitor!

This holiday season is going to be close between only Sony & MS and neither side is going to "run away with it". When 2009 hits the same trend will prove what it has for the past 2 years,

MS losing ground fast
Sony gaining ground slow
Nintendo pulling away at light speed


Even going by VGChatz (which has been proven to be WAAY off and biased) shows the 360 only to hold a big lead in the US. In Japan it's last and in Europe it is too close to say it has a "lead" over the PS3. So to take account of sales for each year 2006, 2007 & 2008 seperately it looks like this (I know I have posted this before but I have revised the second part below)

Wii-
1st America
1st Europe
1st Japan

PS3-
3rd America
2nd Europe
2nd Japan

360-
2nd America
3rd Europe
3rd Japan

Wii = 1st with all 1st places
PS3 = 2nd with 2 / 2nd places & 1 3rd (but gaining every month)
360 = 3rd with 2 / 3rd places and 1 / 2nd


But the TOTALS for all years cumulative changes things but only ever so slightly which again supports MS's loss of ground

Wii-
1st America
1st Europe
1st Japan

PS3-
3rd America
Tied Europe
2nd Japan

360-
2nd America
Tied Europe
3rd Japan

Wii = 1st with all 1st places
PS3 = Tied
360 = Tied

For all this "doom and gloom" in the mass media press for the PS3 it sure seems that the blinders are on when the 360 is discussed and over viewed (not towards you varnull just in general). Now granted the 360 has double the amount of "consoles" in the US (but we can't confirm exactly because of RROD's) over only the PS3 that is all MS can say. What about how as of late the Euro scene for Sony & Nintendo growing exponentially and their sales #'s showing higher attachment rates for the PS3 and sheer numbers of Wii's being sold daily? The over seas market as a whole is undoubtedly giving the US a run for it's money and looking to keep gaming a hot commodity.

I also see way too much misinformation where people only use the US as their slide rule. This can't be anymore incorrect, and is why I think I get ostracized/attacked because of they way I see it. The whole picture needs to be seen not just a pinhole view of it...

Originally posted by Oner:

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Looks like NoBrainer is back...and is gone again.

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it sure looks like it

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JakDRiper (account created on 9 Jul, 2008) has used same IP address as nobrainer (banned on 9 Jul, 2008)

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How about other posters who come here just to use news articles as a place to spout irrelevance/pick petty fights, go elsewhere to solve their personality defects/anger management issues, and keep it out of the News articles.

Originally posted by creaky:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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Looks like NoBrainer is back...and is gone again.

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it sure looks like it

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JakDRiper (account created on 9 Jul, 2008) has used same IP address as nobrainer (banned on 9 Jul, 2008)

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Funny thing is I posted that before I even checked the IP's! Then added "and is gone again." after confirming it.

Originally posted by creaky:

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How about other posters who come here just to use news articles as a place to spout irrelevance/pick petty fights, go elsewhere to solve their personality defects/anger management issues, and keep it out of the News articles.

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Exactly. We have thousands of people who come here to aD everyday to not only get their news fix but to ACTUALLY help others and contribute. That is the kind of aD'er anyone can respect. Those who only troll, disregard forum rules and don't/haven't contributed really have no reason to complain when aD'ers can't/wont takes them seriously.

Personally i think a lot of people post in the news threads just to get their post count up.

Some of them spout awful rubbish. At least in the other forums you have to have some idea what you're talking about.

Spotting nobrainer is quite comical actually and I always get somewhat of a kick out of pointing him out on his various user names. Its become somewhat of a game and I think the name nobrainer will be remembered here for quite some time.

Wasn't he 13thHour as well? How many times has that guy been banned?

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Wasn't he 13thHour as well? How many times has that guy been banned?

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I lost count around 4 (I think). Either way lets get back to the topic, this thread has already strayed a few times and we don't need it totally derailing.

On topic: The slowdown of ps3 sales in Japan is most likely a combination of two things.
1. Most gamers in Japan probably already own a ps3 and the numbers are naturally dropping due to saturation.
2. MS is finally wising up and making games that appeal specially to JP gamers and taking a piece of the pie.

Off topic: I believe it was stated a by several people in this thread that the 360 is cheaper and therefore parents would be more likely to chose it over the ps3. Despite this being true with the initial purchase the needed/optional add on's can potentially raise the price to well over $400.

I still don't own any of the current gen consoles, right now I'm sifting through the old ps2/ps1 games and I'm quite satisfied. ATM I'm playing gta 3 and FF tactics. I plan on buying god of war 1 and 2 and completing my FF collection by buying FF 9 and playing it through again.

It's sad to think but yes I'm one of the very few people waiting for a confirmed lot # for the jasper 360 chipset. I don't know a single person who owns a ps3; all of my friends either have or want a 360. After buying a battery charging kit, an ethernet cable, and a live subscription that's just about $400. I know the games library is a point of contention for most people but to me it's the discount on older games that draws me to the 360. I might buy one new release but aside from that why should I pay $60 for a game? There are a handful of new releases for both systems but when it comes down to it most of the older games are multi-platform and they are cheaper on the 360.

The economy is only going to get worse and it’s really hitting those who are just starting out on their own the hardest. Jobs are hard to find and everyone I know is terrified of being fired. Let’s face it life sucks and distractions are needed to forget about the current state of things.

Didn't the overall cost of production just drop for the PS3? Shortly after that, the sales drop.
Seems like six of one and half a dozen of the other.

Both consoles are doing what they need to do to be successful. Sony has dropped their price $200 from the original price and MS has dropped the core $150 from the original price. MS has paid to have a good exclusive game released in Japan and it is paying off. Both consoles are over the 10,000,000 sold mark now and that is a prime # that developers look for. Being happy when your console of choose does well is fine and understood. Getting excided about bad news on the console that you did not choose to go with is childish. Be happy with what you have. Enjoy what you have. I have decided to stick with the PS3 for reasons that I don't feel like arguing about. Plenty of good games coming out now and in the future. I'm sure the same can be said about the 360.
I would love to have GOW2 and I know that 360'ers would love to have RFOM2. Neither one is going to get everything that they want. Enjoy what you have and don't worry about anyone else.

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I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talkin about. The PS3 has virtually no fun games at all coming out other than two that I can think of, Little Big Planet and maybe Resistance 2 (which I think part 1 suckd, not sure about part 2). So what are you refering to when you say the PS3 "has the most new games available this holiday season"? That's a blatant lie if you ask me (and a funny one too). LOL, the thing wrong with the PS3 is it's lack of games. The PS3 only has LittleBigPlanet and Resistance 2, yes I said it again AND that's it.

All other games that are multi-plat will play much better on the 360 like Fallout 3, so from the looks of it, I think the 360 by farrrr has the wayyy better lineup this holiday. I never would've thought you of all people would be so blind. I'm sure you wanna mod me, but this is how I am when I'm objective to all users, including mods. (the truth hurts)

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I have no choice but to comment on this.

To the first part of this stupid comment:
WTF have you been living in a cave? "the thing wrong with the PS3 is it's lack of games"
If over 90 PS3 (YES, NINETY) EXCLUSIVES aren't games, then you have some problems. Not really insulting you but you need to do your research before you comment. Not to mention PS1/2 games and PSN games, plus multi-platform games. Need a link to see this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

2nd part of comment:
Games play better on 360? Man, thanks to the 360 IV was reduced, and to make up for it, you get some exclusive content. And, what the hell makes you think that multiplatform games play better on 360? Hm? Because it uses HD-DVD? Hm? Don't make things from the top of your head, OK?

EDIT: From what I've counted, the 360 has around 100-110 exclusives. More than the PS3 but the 360 got 18 months headstart. Just incase you post that.

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I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talkin about. The PS3 has virtually no fun games at all coming out other than two that I can think of, Little Big Planet and maybe Resistance 2 (which I think part 1 suckd, not sure about part 2). So what are you refering to when you say the PS3 "has the most new games available this holiday season"? That's a blatant lie if you ask me (and a funny one too). LOL, the thing wrong with the PS3 is it's lack of games. The PS3 only has LittleBigPlanet and Resistance 2, yes I said it again AND that's it.

All other games that are multi-plat will play much better on the 360 like Fallout 3, so from the looks of it, I think the 360 by farrrr has the wayyy better lineup this holiday. I never would've thought you of all people would be so blind. I'm sure you wanna mod me, but this is how I am when I'm objective to all users, including mods. (the truth hurts)

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I have no choice but to comment on this.

To the first part of this stupid comment:
WTF have you been living in a cave? "the thing wrong with the PS3 is it's lack of games"
If over 90 PS3 (YES, NINETY) EXCLUSIVES aren't games, then you have some problems. Not really insulting you but you need to do your research before you comment. Not to mention PS1/2 games and PSN games, plus multi-platform games. Need a link to see this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

2nd part of comment:
Games play better on 360? Man, thanks to the 360 IV was reduced, and to make up for it, you get some exclusive content. And, what the hell makes you think that multiplatform games play better on 360? Hm? Because it uses HD-DVD? Hm? Don't make things from the top of your head, OK?

EDIT: From what I've counted, the 360 has around 100-110 exclusives. More than the PS3 but the 360 got 18 months headstart. Just incase you post that.

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Sorry man but I gotta set you straight unless you were just being sarcastic. The 360 games are not on HD-DVDs, they're on double layered DVDs. Yea i said double cuz im not sure if its duel or dual. :)

Originally posted by grkblood:

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Yea i said double cuz im not sure if its duel or dual. :)

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Duel is to fight or a challenge

Dual is double

I enjoyed the statistics and numbers posted. Thanks oner for that one. Also i dont label too many people as a fanboy nor do i consider you to be one but if you make a comment supporting your opinion or sometimes even with posting facts, someone is bound to try and label you. Those are the ones who cant handle the truth. Kinda like if i were to say "Only idiots play MGS4". To me that is fanboyish. If a person has actually taken the time to play a game and its not the hottest game to them it would sound a lot more intelligent to just say ,"I didnot really care for the game." Just my opinion as a read a post similiar in words here.

I really dont see that there is much diff in the games for either of the more powerful consoles. I do believe that the xbox360 being cheaper is not as big a determining factor in buying the console as the PS3 is being expensive. If Sony ever gets the price down on the PS3 or if it were the same as the xbox360, i think we would see a notable diff in sales. Sony's library is getting better over time and i wondering how sales will look once some really anticipated titles are released on PS3 like socum, gow3, etc...I know people say PS3 price is a great deal when you consider what you are getting and i can see that but a lot of gamers are not willing to pay that much and its not always to do with a person not being able to afford the PS3. I honestly admit the price is the only thing that has kept me away so far. Well, that and my priorities that have changed with age.

If tekken 6 were out at launch i would have already bought a PS3 but from what i have read through multiple sites recently Tekken 6 will be multiplatform excluding the Wii that is. Thats a exclusive lost that could have help sell more PS3s.

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Sorry man but I gotta set you straight unless you were just being sarcastic. The 360 games are not on HD-DVDs, they're on double layered DVDs. Yea i said double cuz im not sure if its duel or dual. :)

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Whoops, sorry. :|

And it looks like the predictions where right about the Japanese where only waiting for bundles.

Originally posted by Oner:

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The 360 has had about 8 weeks of "better" sales in Japan but the totals for that period is something like 28,000 and with that being such a low number that "lead" in sales for just 8 weeks will disappear when the new PS3 80gb bundles come out there soon.

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But from the information I have read/gathered so far that the LBP PS3 Bundles are NOT being counted in these totals so it looks to be a higher number yet still (but we'll see as more info drops).

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Famitsu Japan Charts 27/10 - 02/11

Hardware

DSi->171.000
PSP->50.000
PS3->36.000
Wii->25.000
DSL->17.000
PS2->6.800
360->6.300

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1.GTA IV [PS3] -> 122.000 (NEW)
2.Valkyrie Profile: The Accused One [NDS] -> 74.000 (NEW)
3.Little Big Planet [PS3] -> 47.000 (NEW)
4.GTA IV [360] -> 38.000 (NEW)
5.Wagamama Fassion Girls Mode [NDS] -> 38.000/125.000
6.Pokemon Platinum [NDS] -> 37.000/1.831.000
7.Gran Turismo 5 Prologue: Spec III [PS3]-> 34.00(NEW)
8.Rhythm Tengoku Gold [NDS] -> 33.000/1.001.000
9.Chocobo's Dungeon DS+ [NDS]-> 28.000 (NEW)
10.Wii Music[WII] -> 23.000/164.000

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Some additional notables.

1) GTA4 #1 in game sales in Japan is a pretty amazing change
2) PS3 sold more than the Wii for this period (not a big deal but kinda funny)
3) GT5P sales pretty good even after 10+ months or so
4) PS2 sales still helping the Sony line of products
5) PSP sales holding it's own
6) **The below not my info** but is still notable and should be taken with a grain of salt as the info comes from VGChartz numbers

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LBP was out on Firday 31st October so these scores show only 3 days of sales.

From the 6th September to 2nd November the 360 sold 84,547 units.

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From the 6th September to 2nd November the PS3 sold 85,436 units.

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So preliminarily there is more information that supports the 360's 8 week (or so) "lead" to be nothing drastic.

How long has the LBP bundle been out there? Wonder why they would not count it? Has Eternal Sonata (which sucks) been released there yet?

Lovely biased posting.. and has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the weekly sales figures article.

We don't care about the total sales, or the future projected sales of bundles... the article is about 1 weeks sales figures.. everything else is off topic...

But that's just to be expected looking at all the "usual suspects" from the $ony payroll in this thread.

9. July 2008 @ 00:20 ring any bells? Looks like nothing has been noted or actioned. Freedom of speech and opinion has lost out again in the face of bias and profit.

Originally posted by varnull:

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Lovely biased posting.. and has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the weekly sales figures article.

We don't care about the total sales, or the future projected sales of bundles... the article is about 1 weeks sales figures.. everything else is off topic...

But that's just to be expected looking at all the "usual suspects" from the $ony payroll in this thread.

Andre.. 9. July 2008 @ 00:20 ring any bells? Looks like nothing has been noted or actioned. Freedom of speech and opinion has lost out again in the face of bias and profit.

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My nominee for most hypocritical post in the history of afterdawn.

Oner is exercising FREEDOM OF SPEECH when he talks about "total sales, or the future projected sales of bundles."

Seems like you are only against speech that you disagree with.

There is nothing wrong with bias.

What's wrong is when you try to stifle the expression of bias.

That's when you take away freedom of speech.

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Lovely biased posting.. and has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the weekly sales figures article.

We don't care about the total sales, or the future projected sales of bundles... the article is about 1 weeks sales figures.. everything else is off topic...

But that's just to be expected looking at all the "usual suspects" from the $ony payroll in this thread.

Andre.. 9. July 2008 @ 00:20 ring any bells? Looks like nothing has been noted or actioned. Freedom of speech and opinion has lost out again in the face of bias and profit.

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Wow. "NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the weekly sales figures article" So you are saying that what I have posted is not about sales figures for the last few weeks which is what the topic is about? I posted it here since it IS about sales for the last few weeks and there is no NEW news about the SAME topic. Which I do find amazing on how you don't/didn't have the same disdained fervor when a certain other character continually changes topic on a DAILY basis which has been proven time & time & time again.

Why/how does this "$ony payroll" comment pop up when there is absolutely no truth behind it, no proof & only conjecture? I think certain people need to have a look at some of my old tutorials, this will show I am in no way affiliated with ANY console maker. Anyone familiar with the PS2 section can confirm that.

Either way if anyone has anything to say to me that is off topic please PM me. I am 100% sure I can prove to them there is no such thing as this "payola". I have only given real truthful information available to EVERYONE on the net or in the news within my posts as I always have. The sources & paper trails support what information I have offered. The same cannot be said about those who have been reprimanded and have been proven to spew unsupported BIAS for & against certain manufacturers on numerous occasions...

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MS Losing ground slowly and sony is gaining ground slowly.It makes no sense the way you phrased it.

MS lost a 10 Million lead over the Wii in less time it took to make that 10 Million lead. Hence the "fast" phrasing.

Hey Oner man, I think we both agree this needs to be closed, five times off topic is enough for one news article haha.

NP, I agree.