PS3 firmware 3.0 to be 'completely new system'?

The hell with the firmware! Where's the price cut that Sony needs to survive the console race? To me that would be more important than some firmware, IMO. Bring the price down, then people will flock to the console, and then you can focus on the firmware!!

Originally posted by blueboy09:

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The hell with the firmware! Where's the price cut that Sony needs to survive the console race? To me that would be more important than some firmware, IMO. Bring the price down, then people will flock to the console, and then you can focus on the firmware!!

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yes i agree. they should really focus on bringing down the price, not so me firmware crap.

I agree, they should bring the price down... but their online system is pretty bad though. Sony should bring the price down to below xbox 360 before microsoft releases that xbox natal, which will swamp ps3 and wii's sales

Nevermind focusing on price cuts, what about the people with PS3s? What do we get? lol

I think the PS3's system could use an overhaul, just cause it never really had it's own... Just ripped from the PSP. The PS3 is far greater then a PSP though, so why run similar systems?

Originally posted by Morreale:

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Nevermind focusing on price cuts, what about the people with PS3s? What do we get? lol

I think the PS3's system could use an overhaul, just cause it never really had it's own... Just ripped from the PSP. The PS3 is far greater then a PSP though, so why run similar systems?

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Price cuts = More sales = More money to upgrade online play

Originally posted by chris4160:

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Sony should bring the price down to below xbox 360 before microsoft releases that xbox natal, which will swamp ps3 and wii's sales

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If you think Natal is going to swamp Wii's sales you are smoking crack. I think you and Microsoft public relations are the only ones that would say or possibly begin to think that. Nintendo has solidified their position as number one this time around, and they may have even created enough brand recognition to float through another generation. God knows Sony is only selling consoles to people holding onto the PS2 years. As a fan of previous Sony products, it's a hard thing to say, but it's the truth. Microsoft has become so ego driven due to their lead on Sony they are probably going to drop the ball the next time around as well. I am guessing both PS3s new motion and Natal will breathe little life into the respective consoles based on the late term of the cycle. Both technologies will probably see as much attention as sixaxis motion controls, or gesture controls for a mortal kombat game on Wii. If you can turn it off, it probably will be turned off.

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I think you and Microsoft public relations are the only ones that would say or possibly begin to think that.

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Yeah, you keep telling yourself that, mate. Why would anybody buy a wii over natal if xbox+natal: has more games, has better graphics, better motion sensing, is cheaper and better online gameplay. If you think that wii will outsell xbox 360 when natal is release, then indeed you are the one "smoking crack".

I see both the proposed reporting and reputation systems causing far more harm than good if they are indeed in said patch. And I really wouldn't call the holiday season soon.

Originally posted by canuckerz:

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I see both the proposed reporting and reputation systems causing far more harm than good if they are indeed in said patch. And I really wouldn't call the holiday season soon.

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It's just another way for sony to copy the xbox 360, xbox live has had that feature for a long time. Sony has stolen basically everything from nintendo and ms (online, guide button, this firmware update (if it goes ahead) is a copy off NXE, browser, wii's built in wifi, and the list goes on).

Edit: NVM

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Originally posted by canuckerz:

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I see both the proposed reporting and reputation systems causing far more harm than good if they are indeed in said patch. And I really wouldn't call the holiday season soon.

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It's just another way for sony to copy the xbox 360, xbox live has had that feature for a long time. Sony has stolen basically everything from nintendo and ms (online, guide button, this firmware update (if it goes ahead) is a copy off NXE, browser, wii's built in wifi, and the list goes on).

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Facepalm... That's all I have to say.

Canuckerz ~ My sentiments exactly...which is why I edited my post above to avoid problems.

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Originally posted by canuckerz:

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I see both the proposed reporting and reputation systems causing far more harm than good if they are indeed in said patch. And I really wouldn't call the holiday season soon.

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It's just another way for sony to copy the xbox 360, xbox live has had that feature for a long time. Sony has stolen basically everything from nintendo and ms (online, guide button, this firmware update (if it goes ahead) is a copy off NXE, browser, wii's built in wifi, and the list goes on).

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Oh God... What a joke...

Originally posted by canuckerz:

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I see both the proposed reporting and reputation systems causing far more harm than good if they are indeed in said patch. And I really wouldn't call the holiday season soon.

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You think so ? I think this Firmware would be a nice tool against online kids that absuse the system.....Trust me Socom need it really bad...But i do see your point.

the only reason microcrap and ps3 are making motion sensitive devices, because its there last attempt before their systems are total failures.

Hell, I'd be happy with at LEAST 3 or 4 good games!
EXCLUSIVE good games!

Originally posted by dpop28:

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the only reason microcrap and ps3 are making motion sensitive devices, because its there last attempt before their systems are total failures.

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Yea cause Wii is so great :/

Originally posted by dpop28:

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the only reason microcrap and ps3 are making motion sensitive devices, because its there last attempt before their systems are total failures.

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Total failures???
I do believe "Microcrap" is making a profit now...

Thats great that I can now have HDMI and optical audio at the same time!! Cant wait for the update.

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It's just another way for sony to copy the xbox 360, xbox live has had that feature for a long time. Sony has stolen basically everything from nintendo and ms (online, guide button, this firmware update (if it goes ahead) is a copy off NXE, browser, wii's built in wifi, and the list goes on).

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OMZGGG, Did sony really do that...On Behalf Of Sony I apologize.
Now can you be a gentlemen and apologize for the following things microsoft has "copied"

- GUI
- The Ablity To Use A mouse and keyboard in its operating system
- The Ability To Use A Monitor in its operating system
- xerox's operating system
- The Ability To Update The OS or compents
- I Dont know if this counts because you have to pay $100 for it, but the external wifi usb plug in for the xbox 360 (since Nintendo Inovated the world with wi-fi, anyone else that uses it is copying)
- The natal(some of may know it as eye toy 2.0)
- ohh and Basicly anything from mac osx (Gadgets?..nice try MS)

the list goessss onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Microsoft even copied the Control Panel name from Apple lmao

They changed it to Preferences in OS X, and now that a whole bunch of other things are being copied who knows what will be changed.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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You think so ? I think this Firmware would be a nice tool against online kids that absuse the system.....Trust me Socom need it really bad...But i do see your point.

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I think that those same kids that should be reported are the same ones that are going to abuse the reporting system, by flooding the system with things like ZOMG NO WAI CAN HE SHOT ME SO KWIK AIMBOT HAXOR. Or OMG UR SUCH A JERK IM GUNNA RAPPORT U LOL. I've had to deal with these little annoying buggers all the time, and if they make the reporting system that quick and simple they're going to be on it like white on rice.

And as for the reputation system by the way they make it sound I don't even need to explain how quickly thats going to get abused. Mark my words, if that happens we're going to see threads for reputation trading all over the console forums and people making side accounts just to one up their main account.

My .02

Originally posted by H08:

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OMZGGG, Did sony really do that...On Behalf Of Sony I apologize.
Now can you be a gentlemen and apologize for the following things microsoft has "copied"

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Don't feed the trolls ;)

Originally posted by chris4160:

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I agree, they should bring the price down... but their online system is pretty bad though. Sony should bring the price down to below xbox 360 before microsoft releases that xbox natal, which will swamp ps3 and wii's sales

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Except that industry analysts and other experts think Natal is too limited (can only track more general movements, not very precise ones that most hardcore gamers would want) AND could cost up to $150+ just for the extra hardware. Even the 'demo' shown wasn't realtime and they had no estimate at all when it would be available (if?).

So if before Natal is the needed time frame, Sony still has 1-2 years to do a price cut. :-)

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Originally posted by H08:

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OMZGGG, Did sony really do that...On Behalf Of Sony I apologize.
Now can you be a gentlemen and apologize for the following things microsoft has "copied"

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Don't feed the trolls ;)

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iam sorryyyyy, but im still waiting on that apology chris4160...jk jk :)

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It's just another way for sony to copy the xbox 360, xbox live has had that feature for a long time. Sony has stolen basically everything from nintendo and ms (online, guide button, this firmware update (if it goes ahead) is a copy off NXE, browser, wii's built in wifi, and the list goes on).

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OMZGGG, Did sony really do that...On Behalf Of Sony I apologize.
Now can you be a gentlemen and apologize for the following things microsoft has "copied"

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MS copiued Amiga OS, not the MAC as a lot of apple users love to believe.

MAC OS at the time was pretty bad, where as Amiga OS has most of the stuff that's only just coming out now in the current OSes released.

im a ps3 fanboy, but i gotta say sony has just been falling short lately. starting really with playstation home. 4 or so months after it was supposed to be released its running beta, and hasn't changed much in the past few months but for a few more places to hang(game supported rooms)and all most cared to see, was the video playback off your own home tv, so others could watch the movies you had on you hard drive, seemed to be the only cool thing about PSH. but they still have nothing but empty sections in the stores. apart from the clothes and furniture you have to BUY! so they start with that,and then make all these promises for e3. and really...... besides the go! we didn't see anything that interesting. a few titles here and there, but nothing AMAZING like they claimed.

i just hate how sony toots there own horn, and talks us up with all these plans and projects and if they even release something, its always WAY!!! down the road.

respect Microsoft for not claiming sh*# before e3 and coming out with nearly as much content!

not saying im about to go buy a 360, cause i love the ps3 for its multimedia options. and can settle with the games for now.

just saying sony, stop talking and start walking!

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It's just another way for sony to copy the xbox 360, xbox live has had that feature for a long time. Sony has stolen basically everything from nintendo and ms (online, guide button, this firmware update (if it goes ahead) is a copy off NXE, browser, wii's built in wifi, and the list goes on).

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OMZGGG, Did sony really do that...On Behalf Of Sony I apologize.
Now can you be a gentlemen and apologize for the following things microsoft has "copied"

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MS copiued Amiga OS, not the MAC as a lot of apple users love to believe.

MAC OS at the time was pretty bad, where as Amiga OS has most of the stuff that's only just coming out now in the current OSes released.

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Funny Because im really a "MAC LoVer" Using XP.....In Case you didnt know i was being sarcastic so that troll would understand just because one company uses wifi in its product it doesnt mean its coping another company....MS Did copy apple with some stuff....like i stated below "gadgets" really innovative Microsoft...

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It's just another way for sony to copy the xbox 360, xbox live has had that feature for a long time. Sony has stolen basically everything from nintendo and ms (online, guide button, this firmware update (if it goes ahead) is a copy off NXE, browser, wii's built in wifi, and the list goes on).

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OMZGGG, Did sony really do that...On Behalf Of Sony I apologize.
Now can you be a gentlemen and apologize for the following things microsoft has "copied"

- GUI
- The Ablity To Use A mouse and keyboard in its operating system
- The Ability To Use A Monitor in its operating system
- xerox's operating system
- The Ability To Update The OS or compents
- I Dont know if this counts because you have to pay $100 for it, but the external wifi usb plug in for the xbox 360 (since Nintendo Inovated the world with wi-fi, anyone else that uses it is copying)
- The natal(some of may know it as eye toy 2.0)
- ohh and Basicly anything from mac osx (Gadgets?..nice try MS)

the list goessss onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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How is stating a list of what ms supposedly copied on computer software relevant to a gaming discussion? Name 5 things that xbox 360 has copied from another console. Also, you're calling for me to be a "gentleman" when you're referring to me as a "troll", you are so awesome calling people names online! Sony is introducing the reporting feature to stop people like you from polluting the network.

This whole thread has a strong stink of troll in it - skanky old troll baked in the midday sun at 45 degrees for a week or more.
It's always the same anytime the words "console" "sony" "microsoft" and "nintendo" are used in a thread.
Little boys / trolls crawl out of their darkened bedrooms / caves and throw their toys / clubs about to defend the beloved toy of their choice.
Advocating a competitor's toy in front of them is a dangerous business and is usually met with blanket denial, snarling teeth , profanities and spurious claims and assertions about said advocate's sexuality. All of this to protect their insecurity from the possibility that something they don't own is equally good ( or God forbid - better ) and that they or their mummy and daddy , might have made the wrong choice.
There is only choice in their minds - and that is the choice that they or their daddy made , anything else is a mistake and is to be despised , aggessively attacked and then destroyed if possible in order to massage and soothe their trembling egos.

its so funny seeing you all get mad...it was a joke,

-i never said you were a gentleman, i said "can you be a gentleman".

- sony did not copy nintendo just because they added wi-fi in there console.

there i should of wrote that from the begining, iam sorry i caused to turn red but what 360 fanboy doesnt........

didn't tendo and fony and microcrap and all the others get the idea of plugging something into your tv at home and playing games on it off atari? *sigh* more pointlessness going on.. same as always.

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f the rumor is true, another notable upgrade will be the ability to download patches in the background during gameplay. Audiophiles in the crowd will also enjoy being able to simultaneously "output HDMI and digital optical."

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I would love to have this ability in my PS3 because i get tired and bored easily when i have to wait hours on end for a update upgrade to finish downloading and installing then i can start playing.

As long as it doesn't create some sort of drm program for the ps3 i don't have any problems.

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"Name 5 things that xbox 360 has copied from another console."

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First off, the 360 doesn't copy features, Microsoft the company does. Secondly they don't copy it and neither does Sony, they borrow ideas from other companies and improve on them. Every company has practically taken something from someone else. It's called competition.

So what has Microsoft brought over to their console?

-Natal (Eye Toy with depth sensing)
-Avatars (Nintendo Mii's, I'm sure Mii's were copied from something else)
-Lips (Singstar, it's exclusive to the 360, so it counts)
-Games on Demand (Steam, PSN to a much lesser extent...., nothing new... go to Steam for downloadable games)

I think I've proved my point. Sony has "copied" features from both the 360 and the Wii and the same goes for Nintendo. It's all competition, unless you love one company so much that you'd love to see their monopolistic prices.

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Audiophiles in the crowd will also enjoy being able to simultaneously "output HDMI and digital optical."

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I’ve got my PS3 hooked up to my plasma via HDMI and the audio via optical into my home cinema. All works fine. Am I missing something here?

Alright seriously kids this xbox vs ps3 crap has nothing to do with the subject. It might as well be spam for the value it brings.

Hopefully the interface will still be user-friendly unlike the NXE.

I just started using the NXE and I really hate it :P

I also EXTREMELY HATE the damn d-pad! WTF!!! Why did they have to make it all stupid, like I press left and it goes down or up and it goes left, sh!t. This is something I wish they copied Sony on, individual d-pad keys. I never though I could hate something so much...

Originally posted by pander04:

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Thats great that I can now have HDMI and optical audio at the same time!! Cant wait for the update.

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You don't have to wait, because it has been supported since day one. I have it connected HDMI and Optical since I bought the PS3 back on December 2006.

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Originally posted by NexGen76:

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And as for the reputation system by the way they make it sound I don't even need to explain how quickly thats going to get abused. Mark my words, if that happens we're going to see threads for reputation trading all over the console forums and people making side accounts just to one up their main account.

My .02

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AGREE 100%. is going to be a big stupid mess, you can see it right now at PS3 HOME, punk kids wants to Report you just for a mere fun!

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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"Name 5 things that xbox 360 has copied from another console."

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First off, the 360 doesn't copy features, Microsoft the company does. Secondly they don't copy it and neither does Sony, they borrow ideas from other companies and improve on them. Every company has practically taken something from someone else. It's called competition.

So what has Microsoft brought over to their console?

-Natal (Eye Toy with depth sensing)
-Avatars (Nintendo Mii's, I'm sure Mii's were copied from something else)
-Lips (Singstar, it's exclusive to the 360, so it counts)
-Games on Demand (Steam, PSN to a much lesser extent...., nothing new... go to Steam for downloadable games)

I think I've proved my point. Sony has "copied" features from both the 360 and the Wii and the same goes for Nintendo. It's all competition, unless you love one company so much that you'd love to see their monopolistic prices.

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Very well put.

Same goes for other products on the market today. Look at sodas or batteries or other random shit.

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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"Name 5 things that xbox 360 has copied from another console."

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First off, the 360 doesn't copy features, Microsoft the company does. Secondly they don't copy it and neither does Sony, they borrow ideas from other companies and improve on them. Every company has practically taken something from someone else. It's called competition.

So what has Microsoft brought over to their console?

-Natal (Eye Toy with depth sensing)
-Avatars (Nintendo Mii's, I'm sure Mii's were copied from something else)
-Lips (Singstar, it's exclusive to the 360, so it counts)
-Games on Demand (Steam, PSN to a much lesser extent...., nothing new... go to Steam for downloadable games)

I think I've proved my point. Sony has "copied" features from both the 360 and the Wii and the same goes for Nintendo. It's all competition, unless you love one company so much that you'd love to see their monopolistic prices.

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I was referring to the xbox 360 itself, not ms. People who work on vista don't work on the xbox 360, it's a completely different branch, hence the reason why I said 360, if I said ms people would have responded the same way they did before.

Really, lips a copy off singstar? I think it's more like karaoke to be honest. Btw that's only four, not five, I'm suprised you didn't mention the lb rb aswell.

Originally posted by chris4160:

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I was referring to the xbox 360 itself, not ms. People who work on vista don't work on the xbox 360, it's a completely different branch, hence the reason why I said 360, if I said ms people would have responded the same way they did before.

Really, lips a copy off singstar? I think it's more like karaoke to be honest. Btw that's only four, not five, I'm suprised you didn't mention the lb rb aswell.

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Well, that's like saying Microsoft has nothing to do with the marketing, hardware or software choices made for the 360 or any of their products for that matter. They have/had branches such as Ensemble Studios or now 3DV that made software or hardware specifically for their devices, and they had cooperation in the choices made during development. Just because they're a different branch doesn't mean that they are 100% independent...

And last time I checked, Lips and Singstar could both be considered karaoke. Their interfaces are exactly the same minus a few minor differences. I also said I made my point... woop-dee-doo that I only included four... the reason I didn't mention the LB and RB buttons are because Sony decided to make their R2 and L2 buttons triggers. They go hand-in-hand.

EDIT: Read the last sentence on my first post.

I think they did a better job on the triggers lol

I'm playin' Midnight Club LA on my 360 and my finger gets tired from holdin' down the trigger for long cause it wants to spring back :P