Nokia's market share continues its decline

nokia does a pretty good hardware job but the software isn't that flexible and tweakable as the android and iOS.

Nokia needs to cut their losses with the crummy alternate OS's, then they need to build a monster android as their flagship. ...Or, they need to pay the bankruptcy lawyers now, while there is still money to pay them.

I disagree, KillerBug. I still don't understand any move from Nokia lately, but joining Microsoft maybe is the best they can do. And even more, now that Skype belongs to them.

BTW, I never had a Nokia. I have a Satio for a year and a half now, and my next phone will be an Android one. But, still, I'm starting to think that Windows Phone has some future.

P.S.: Symbian was the alternate OS since they killed it. Before that, it was the #1 in sales by far. And, call me weird, but I still like it. I'll only quit it because newer apps won't be available anymore.

Nokia WAS a great name but their phones are simply........played.

Boring, stagnant and run-of-the-mill phones that have been left in the dust by HTC and Samsung.

Remember when the N95 came out?? That phone was the beez neez at the time and now is a mere paperweight. Nothing about Nokia really "stands out" and therefore, they will be left behind unless they are able to pull a rabbit outta their ass and bring about something totally innovative and fun.

Originally posted by dali:

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I disagree, KillerBug. I still don't understand any move from Nokia lately, but joining Microsoft maybe is the best they can do. And even more, now that Skype belongs to them.

BTW, I never had a Nokia. I have a Satio for a year and a half now, and my next phone will be an Android one. But, still, I'm starting to think that Windows Phone has some future.

P.S.: Symbian was the alternate OS since they killed it. Before that, it was the #1 in sales by far. And, call me weird, but I still like it. I'll only quit it because newer apps won't be available anymore.

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Well I agree with killerbug and I for one think that android is better than Symbian by a mile. When I first use it everything was so weird and just didn't make sense. It really caps the phones capabilities. AS for moving to windows phone as an OS i haven't used one of their devices yet but simple because it isn't open source it isn't for me. Seems like Microsoft is marketing for people to spend less time on their devices which is very much the opposite of what is happening in reality. People are spending more time or their mobile devices then they are watching tv or even on the computer.

Of course Android is better than Symbian not by a mile, but a lightyear! I'm not claiming otherwise, I'm not blind. But I, for one, like to keep my devices until they are completely useless and outdated, not spending any money in something which I still don't need because it does the same I can do now, but with a bit less of effort, faster performance, or in a more user-friendly way. Call me a freak, but I don't need that, and I enjoy reading forums and figuring out how to take benefit from the maximum capabilities of the phone by myself before considering an alternative which will cost me some good money.

In my personal case, I'm a tech-guy, a geek if you like, so I don't need a very intuitive interface if I can obtain benefits from the other option and then enhance the UI by myself in the future. For a start, I got my Satio for FREE, only compromising with my company for 18 months with fairly rational contractual conditions. When the phone arrived, I found very soon the way to jailbreak it, and then started to download and tune-up like crazy for one single afternoon. In only one day, my phone was unrecognizable, running the latest firmware, loaded of plenty of apps, and tuned-up to the max.

I'm expecting to get a new Android phone in less than a year, when all the apps I use become all obsolete or unusable. But, in the meantime, I'll keep enjoying my 12 MPx camera with dual led and xenon flashes which can also shot HQ 16:9 vids, spare battery, 32 GB micro-SD card, front-facing camera, GPS, WI-FI, 3G with unlimited, non-proprietary data plan, Bluetooth, great Media Player from Sony... Well, it has only a 600 MHz processor, but, hey, this is from the same generation of the iPhone 3GS, two years ago, the system is optimized to run very fast, and, besides of that, it's currently overclocked.

Did you say apps? What about built-in Flash (Lite), Opera (simply the best mobile browser around by far), Acrobat, Office, e-Book reader, Fring (free videocalling), Skype, Tweets60, Youtube, Facebluff, RSS and news reader, integration of social and phonebook contacts, Gmail, GoogleMaps (without nav, but I also have Sygic offline GPS for that), Windows Live Messenger, Last.fm, Spotify, Nimbuzz, WPB Shell, a couple of open stores apart from SE and Ovi, both of which I hate, VNC, SSH, FTP, Samba, ScanLife, Angry Birds, quite some tons of other games... And one very important thing: Java capable, but RUNS MOSTLY NATIVE MACHINE CODE.

Come on, guys, Symbian was not *THAT* bad. It had built-in from the beginning many things that its competitors considered as "improvements", such as Flash support, "copy&paste" or subfolders, it was veteran, so VERY optimized, and Nokia dropped it just when it was made fully an OPEN SOURCE platform, it's UI was starting to be much more intuitive, multi-touch, and so on, pushing off the boat companies like Sony-Ericsson, LG and Motorola in the way, which I still can't understand.

I wouldn't write Nokia off just yet, nor the windows mobile platform....

... but still personally I will be sticking with android, although I strongly suspect that in the long run Nokia will try its hand at android as well. What ever Microsoft agreement cant last indefinitely and prevent them from doing so. That's unless Nokia do actually fully sell out... but it cant see them wanting to do this, no matter how much Microsoft may.

However, Microsoft and nokia probably scare apple and google far far less than it scares BlackBerry, microsoft has a long history of being primary a business support. Although the new phone platform has been launched at primairly end users it doesnt not probably mean microsoft is going to have some long term plan to shunting BlackBerry out and attempt to make it a 3 horse race.

At the end of the day blackberry is currently supported largely by a large fleet of users who have always used their devices, however slowly many are converting away...

Black Berries best bet is to chose a platform ios, android and create an eco system where they co-exist in the interim, its the best they can hope for. But then you read: http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2011/03/why-blackberry-playbook-running-android-apps-is-brilliant.html

And you think maybe they did already make this decision ;)

Only thing that can be said is at this point in time the least likely thing thats going to happen is android is going to lose market share...

... But when how can you compete with a system created with lots of freeness right through from oem manufactures to the end user and every other platform want money from all angles for every little thing (no fingers pointed there).

But still i wouldnt write microsoft out of the picture just yet, windows is far far from over as a desktop os and the key for them is creating an eco system where the tablet and desktop co-exist and work for you as one tool and as long as they can create a tablet platform that works they stand very well to do this.

But who knows lol google may still get sued back to the stone age for cough cough java code... erm yes......

But who knows.......

Originally posted by dali:

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Of course Android is better than Symbian not by a mile, but a lightyear! I'm not claiming otherwise, I'm not blind. But I, for one, like to keep my devices until they are completely useless and outdated, not spending any money in something which I still don't need because it does the same I can do now, but with a bit less of effort, faster performance, or in a more user-friendly way. Call me a freak, but I don't need that, and I enjoy reading forums and figuring out how to take benefit from the maximum capabilities of the phone by myself before considering an alternative which will cost me some good money.

In my personal case, I'm a tech-guy, a geek if you like, so I don't need a very intuitive interface if I can obtain benefits from the other option and then enhance the UI by myself in the future. For a start, I got my Satio for FREE, only compromising with my company for 18 months with fairly rational contractual conditions. When the phone arrived, I found very soon the way to jailbreak it, and then started to download and tune-up like crazy for one single afternoon. In only one day, my phone was unrecognizable, running the latest firmware, loaded of plenty of apps, and tuned-up to the max.

I'm expecting to get a new Android phone in less than a year, when all the apps I use become all obsolete or unusable. But, in the meantime, I'll keep enjoying my 12 MPx camera with dual led and xenon flashes which can also shot HQ 16:9 vids, spare battery, 32 GB micro-SD card, front-facing camera, GPS, WI-FI, 3G with unlimited, non-proprietary data plan, Bluetooth, great Media Player from Sony... Well, it has only a 600 MHz processor, but, hey, this is from the same generation of the iPhone 3GS, two years ago, the system is optimized to run very fast, and, besides of that, it's currently overclocked.

Did you say apps? What about built-in Flash (Lite), Opera (simply the best mobile browser around by far), Acrobat, Office, e-Book reader, Fring (free videocalling), Skype, Tweets60, Youtube, Facebluff, RSS and news reader, integration of social and phonebook contacts, Gmail, GoogleMaps (without nav, but I also have Sygic offline GPS for that), Windows Live Messenger, Last.fm, Spotify, Nimbuzz, WPB Shell, a couple of open stores apart from SE and Ovi, both of which I hate, VNC, SSH, FTP, Samba, ScanLife, Angry Birds, quite some tons of other games... And one very important thing: Java capable, but RUNS MOSTLY NATIVE MACHINE CODE.

Come on, guys, Symbian was not *THAT* bad. It had built-in from the beginning many things that its competitors considered as "improvements", such as Flash support, "copy&paste" or subfolders, it was veteran, so VERY optimized, and Nokia dropped it just when it was made fully an OPEN SOURCE platform, it's UI was starting to be much more intuitive, multi-touch, and so on, pushing off the boat companies like Sony-Ericsson, LG and Motorola in the way, which I still can't understand.

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I prefer the Dolphin HD browser to Opera but I totally agree with you about Symbian. I loved it and it was highly open sourced making it fun. I had a Symbian S60 on my Samsumg G810 and no complaints so I'm glad to hear you defend a little bit. But yes, Android is way better!