Xbox 360 doesn't need Blu-ray, says Microsoft

I don't see why they shouldn't make an external HDD for blu ray.. now sony is going to make bloated games so the xbox360 can't play ps3 games. There was a rumor that there was going to be a external hdd for blu ray in oct 2008, I guess this confirms that.. :/

-I have a 60gb 1st Gen PS3 if your wondering :D

Microsoft and it's reps have a tendency to say things like that...HDMI not being needed is one, Standardized HDD's being another as well as WiFi not being of importance to name just a few. But my most favorite recent one is when asked if a game like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360? Aaron Greenberg replied ~

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We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII (a 576p multiplat title), Forza Motorsport 3 (only 8 cars on track, no in car cam during MP), Gears 2 (limited 5v5 player MP), and Modern Warfare 2 (another Multiplat game!?!?) on Xbox 360. These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today. (THAT'S a doozy right there if EVER I heard one)

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I know I will probably take crap for that...but I just had to say it ;P

Yup, the 360 does not NEED bluray support, it does not even NEED to exist. Video games and movies are not NEEDed to begin with. Seems like they should at least let you use a USB bluray drive, but you don't NEED it, so screw you!

Sorry, but almost ALL people I know want physical media w/ maybe just an OPTION to download full games for the foreseeable future. Of course, publishers like the idea of digital only to get rid of the used and rental markets! Keep in mind, M$ would also like to charge people a monthly fee to use Windows/Office too...something they've been looking at since introducing XP.

Consider a world, not too far in the future, where content is available online and the type of DVD, BD or other future optical media source is irrelavent. Look at the direction Netflix is going and how it's crushed Blockbuster with its online move.

You can bet the Microsoft is thinking a lot more out of the box than most of us. They are already integrating their online services across the company. Also, with Facebook, Twitter, Netflix and arcade game downloads, the online experience becoming more and more a part of the console experience. As broadband speeds increase you can expect more content and experiences coming from the cloud, not optical media. Xbox Live is positioned to take advantage of this. Nintendo and Sony are not.

Capacity will be limited by the hard drive - not optical media. RIP Bluray.

I kinda agree, the general trend is the movement to digital media and hard drives... but I'm concerned about the degree of control this gives the corporations over stuff I'm buying (i.e. DRM).

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Consider a world, not too far in the future, where content is available online and the type of DVD, BD or other future optical media source is irrelavent. Look at the direction Netflix is going and how it's crushed Blockbuster with its online move.

You can bet the Microsoft is thinking a lot more out of the box than most of us. They are already integrating their online services across the company. Also, with Facebook, Twitter, Netflix and arcade game downloads, the online experience becoming more and more a part of the console experience. As broadband speeds increase you can expect more content and experiences coming from the cloud, not optical media. Xbox Live is positioned to take advantage of this. Nintendo and Sony are not.

Capacity will be limited by the hard drive - not optical media. RIP Bluray.

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Bluray will have a long run I think. There is still no form of streaming media that has quality even close to bluray, and most streaming media (even pay services like netflix) don't even look as good as a DVD. I know someone from microsoft announced that he thinks bluray will be the last optical media format, but that does not mean that it is about to go away.

Also, if Microsoft thinks bluray is so useless, then why did they make a HD-DVD addon for the 360? Bluray is better than HD-DVD, especialy now that they stopped making HD-DVDs. The HD-DVD drive does nothing for games (no 360 games come on HD-DVD), so it is just for movies (movies that they don't make). It is like microsoft is saying, "People want to watch HD movies, so we will offer something that does not work with HD movies, and then we will say that they don't NEED HD movies."

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Bluray will have a long run I think. There is still no form of streaming media that has quality even close to bluray, and most streaming media (even pay services like netflix) don't even look as good as a DVD. I know someone from microsoft announced that he thinks bluray will be the last optical media format, but that does not mean that it is about to go away.

Also, if Microsoft thinks bluray is so useless, then why did they make a HD-DVD addon for the 360? Bluray is better than HD-DVD, especialy now that they stopped making HD-DVDs. The HD-DVD drive does nothing for games (no 360 games come on HD-DVD), so it is just for movies (movies that they don't make). It is like microsoft is saying, "People want to watch HD movies, so we will offer something that does not work with HD movies, and then we will say that they don't NEED HD movies."

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Why did 360 make an HD-DVD addon? Simple, A) HD-DVD was the superior format (bluray is STILL implementing things into their "standard" that HD-DVD had years ago), B) MS had a monetary stake in HD-DVD. It was in their interest to see it succeed, and C) They wanted to see sony fail and what better way than to give the option to all of the already existing 360 users to upgrade to a HD format that wasnt bluray.

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Microsoft and it's reps have a tendency to say things like that...HDMI not being needed is one, Standardized HDD's being another as well as WiFi not being of importance to name just a few. But my most favorite recent one is when asked if a game like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360? Aaron Greenberg replied ~

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We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII (a 576p multiplat title), Forza Motorsport 3 (only 8 cars on track, no in car cam during MP), Gears 2 (limited 5v5 player MP), and Modern Warfare 2 (another Multiplat game!?!?) on Xbox 360. These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today. (THAT'S a doozy right there if EVER I heard one)

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I know I will probably take crap for that...but I just had to say it ;P

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great to see a moderator posting the way you do buddy. you have shares in sony?

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lol verbal... but what oner is saying is true.

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Microsoft and it's reps have a tendency to say things like that...HDMI not being needed is one, Standardized HDD's being another as well as WiFi not being of importance to name just a few. But my most favorite recent one is when asked if a game like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360? Aaron Greenberg replied ~

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We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII (a 576p multiplat title), Forza Motorsport 3 (only 8 cars on track, no in car cam during MP), Gears 2 (limited 5v5 player MP), and Modern Warfare 2 (another Multiplat game!?!?) on Xbox 360. These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today. (THAT'S a doozy right there if EVER I heard one)

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I know I will probably take crap for that...but I just had to say it ;P

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FF XIII is 576P? That's complete garbage! Ugh... I don't even want to try it now. If I do, I'll try it on the 360 because that's clearly what it was made for >:(

FF Versus better be of higher quality...

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Looked it up, 360 version is compressed but PS3 isn't. Makes me wonder if the game could be more then it is if it was PS3 exclusive. Probably Versus will answer that...

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Microsoft and it's reps have a tendency to say things like that...HDMI not being needed is one, Standardized HDD's being another as well as WiFi not being of importance to name just a few. But my most favorite recent one is when asked if a game like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360? Aaron Greenberg replied ~

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We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII (a 576p multiplat title), Forza Motorsport 3 (only 8 cars on track, no in car cam during MP), Gears 2 (limited 5v5 player MP), and Modern Warfare 2 (another Multiplat game!?!?) on Xbox 360. These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today. (THAT'S a doozy right there if EVER I heard one)

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I know I will probably take crap for that...but I just had to say it ;P

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great to see a moderator posting the way you do buddy. you have shares in sony?

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LOL this guy reminds me a bit of vurbal..wonder why :P

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I kinda agree, the general trend is the movement to digital media and hard drives... but I'm concerned about the degree of control this gives the corporations over stuff I'm buying (i.e. DRM).

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I believe we will always have some sort of physical (i.e. non-streaming) media but it doesn't have to be optical media (i.e. Blu-Ray or DVD). Blu-Ray will probably be around for quite a while, I'd say ten years or so, but I believe things will eventually move to something such as flash-based media.

A company such as SlySoft will find a way around the DRM when things move away from optical media to flash-based movies, games, etc..

Just as how AnyDVD HD works for Blu-Rays or DVDs they could create "AnyFlash" that would intercept and decrypt flash drive-based movies before the OS is even aware of it. This would allow you to backup your movies to other flash drives just as you do with movies today.

As for "God of War III" not coming to the XBox 360, it's a first-party title created by Sony so I don't expect them to start producing a console-selling game for a rival console. The same thing can be said of the Halo series, it won't come to the PS3 because it's made by a company owned by Microsoft.

Peace

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Bluray will have a long run I think. There is still no form of streaming media that has quality even close to bluray, and most streaming media (even pay services like netflix) don't even look as good as a DVD.

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I stream Netflix in high definition and it looks better than my DVD's. The only problem is they don't stream surround sound yet, but that is changing in the very near future.

Although I don't really understand the move to not release an external drive, I'm sure it would sell well, I don't really see the drawback. I would probably get one if I could.

could it be anything to do with the 3 times microsoft/apple tried to licenece blueray drives sony saw the fact there end goal was to put it in the 360 which had stupidly run down the hd dvd road and bloked them at every turn.

As far as im aware they tried some oem manufacture, liteon and eventually sony.

If they didnt intended to go down this road they wouldnt of had the discussions.

But come on is sony going to let the competing game system have its bluray drive at a resonable cost that will let it compete.

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great to see a moderator posting the way you do buddy. you have shares in sony?

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Nope! Not a single penny. I don't get paid from aD either and have been here for over 7 years now or so?..Plus being a Moderator here does not require you to lose your opinion or not post facts that some don't want to hear! :) But as I said I knew I would get a little bit of crap for that...plus I was drunk posting :P lighten up and have a shot of Petron on me!

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FF XIII is 576P? That's complete garbage! Ugh... I don't even want to try it now. If I do, I'll try it on the 360 because that's clearly what it was made for >:(

FF Versus better be of higher quality...

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Looked it up, 360 version is compressed but PS3 isn't. Makes me wonder if the game could be more then it is if it was PS3 exclusive. Probably Versus will answer that...

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It actually goes a bit deeper than that as well since the 360's version was the lowest common denominator in programming it affected design. I.E. the 3 disc's of the 360 changed it from being an open world to a linear game UNTIL the 3rd disc where you can go to and from a couple towns...there is definitely more hype and draw with FFvs13 but I have gone off topic enough so just hit up any of our Console Forum Sections if you want to read more, post & chat!

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lol verbal... but what oner is saying is true.

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TY. Just as I would also say that Sony had gambled on not paying out for Rumble with the lawsuit by/from Immersion and saying "Rumble was last gen" but they stuck to their decision and only changed it when Immersion saw how much money they were going to miss out on and cut Sony a better deal well after Ninty & MS payed out/settled.


Edit: I also wanted to add just in case anyone has forgotten. Blu-ray is not a Sony "only" property or idea. Remember, there are about 20 different companies who are part of the BDA (Blu-ray Disc Association)

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But come on is sony going to let the competing game system have its bluray drive at a resonable cost that will let it compete.

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ANYONE can put a Blu-ray drive in a device (as long as they or the actual mechanism manufacturer pays the ~$20-25 license fee)...Sony doesn't control the BDA and the BDA doesn't (and cannot) deny anyone the ability to use BD drives simply because they don't want certain people to have access. Apple's even a member of the BDA and was one of the initial members. Conspiracy theories otherwise are total BS.

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HD-DVD was the superior format (bluray is STILL implementing things into their "standard" that HD-DVD had years ago)

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HIGHLY debatable (re: "superior")! While it had some initial features that Blu-ray didn't, the main reason HD-DVD even came about was just because Toshiba wanted to 'do it on the cheap.'

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Nope! Not a single penny. I don't get paid from aD either and have been here for over 7 years now or so?..Plus being a Moderator here does not require you to lose your opinion or not post facts that some don't want to hear! :) But as I said I knew I would get a little bit of crap for that...plus I was drunk posting :P lighten up and have a shot of Petron on me!

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LOL, you're still a bit drunk Oner? Couldn't figure out if you meant "a shot of Petrol", or "a shot of Patrón":)

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Microsoft and it's reps have a tendency to say things like that...HDMI not being needed is one, Standardized HDD's being another as well as WiFi not being of importance to name just a few. But my most favorite recent one is when asked if a game like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360? Aaron Greenberg replied ~

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We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII (a 576p multiplat title), Forza Motorsport 3 (only 8 cars on track, no in car cam during MP), Gears 2 (limited 5v5 player MP), and Modern Warfare 2 (another Multiplat game!?!?) on Xbox 360. These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today. (THAT'S a doozy right there if EVER I heard one)

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I know I will probably take crap for that...but I just had to say it ;P

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FF XIII is 576P? That's complete garbage! Ugh... I don't even want to try it now. If I do, I'll try it on the 360 because that's clearly what it was made for >:(

FF Versus better be of higher quality...

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Looked it up, 360 version is compressed but PS3 isn't. Makes me wonder if the game could be more then it is if it was PS3 exclusive. Probably Versus will answer that...

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They are putting all their time and effort into FF14, FF13 is tossed together crap worse than FFX..........

Anybody that believes that bluray is worth while, would have to believe that DRM is worth while. That's exactly why that format came out on top, it offered protections that HD DVD wasn't offering, and the studios jumped on it. Now that prices have come down, and the protections are broken, I think its viable. Microsoft will have to have some type of high capacity format for its next console to stay competitive and it will probably be bluray. Unless something else comes along, I don't think they'll be streaming 25 to 50 gig games on netflix. In the end, people are buying these consoles for the games. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Anybody that believes that bluray is worth while, would have to believe that DRM is worth while. That's exactly why that format came out on top, it offered protections that HD DVD wasn't offering, and the studios jumped on it. Now that prices have come down, and the protections are broken, I think its viable. Microsoft will have to have some type of high capacity format for its next console to stay competitive and it will probably be bluray. Unless something else comes along, I don't think they'll be streaming 25 to 50 gig games on netflix. In the end, people are buying these consoles for the games. Just my opinion.

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Its replaceing dvd at a steady pace we already have sun 150 BR players, get a cream for your HDVD butt hurt, BR is here and its pretty good.

The only reason they wont put BR into the 360 is production cost and the fact they do not want to have a insignificant(sales wise) line of games on the system.


All in all BR only has 2 at best new DRM systems and they have been hacked so again that butt hur there is a cream for it ya know. :P

ACTUALLY, when Microsoft wanted to make a console, they wanted to incorporate the ability for PC gamers to play their PC games on the console AND XBOX games and incorporate WINDOWS on the xbox. SONY threw a fit because they knew, by Microsoft doing this, that they would NEVER be able to compete and complained claiming this would make them (Microsoft) a Monopoly (which it would have). Microsoft not only had to comply, but they also had to change the software of their USB devices so external HDD couldn't be used to play PC games, hence the reason you cannot read/write on external HDD plugged into the USB slots of the XBOX 36O, only some media will play. This was NOT because Microsoft wants to deny these abilities with their customers, they HAD to. What's funny is Sony took advantage of this, and allowed the ability to use a different OS (LINUX for example) and external HDD with the ability to read/write. How fair is that? It bothers me when people bash the XBOX 360 and claim how great their PS3 is. Technically they are the same thing. The only thing that separates them is the BR player and console specific games. I own all three, WII, PS3 and XBOX 360. I love all three. I'm sorry for my rant, but the bashing REALLY is getting old.

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Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are pretty much the same. They use the same optical laser, the only difference is the way the laser reads the data. The picture quality is the same. Whoever said that it's because of DRM capabilities that made the Blu Ray player "superior" is correct. HD-DVD was the first on the market, and Microsoft jumped on it. DRM was not coded into any HD-DVD so pirating was easier, thus making it less used with movie companies. Now Microsoft is jumping on the next generation of data transfer. Downloadable content. Personally I would too, because that's where we are headed. Think about CD's. Hardly anyone buys CD's anymore...We live in a nation where people don't like leaving their house. Everything is digital and downloadable. Once audio quality is the same as BR, everyone will be converting. One less reason to leave your house when you can just click a button and download it. Add the ability to keep the data as long as the HDD lasts which is MUCH longer than a cd/dvd/video game disk will last with scratches, theft, etc. 10 years is a bit of a stretch if you think that BR will last that long. I give it 5 more years at the MOST.

I like discs, just cause :)

Do game companies let the consumer know that if they buy the 360 version of the game that it would be missing content? I could see a potential lawsuit sitting there that could greatly affect either ps3 game sales or 360 game sales. Usually if a game comes out for multiple consoles I would think that the only difference is which system you want to play it on.

As for downloadable content its bound to be the next step. Netflix is doing a killing with the stream to your tv/computer. iTunes is making a killing on selling music/tv/movies. I bet Microsoft's marketplace is doing well enough on its own. Even the Wii has their own marketplace that sells games old and new. I think that people who want physical copies are more of a minority than a majority. The only thing holding us back from this is the bandwith structure that is being held back by the ISP.

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Do game companies let the consumer know that if they buy the 360 version of the game that it would be missing content? I could see a potential lawsuit sitting there that could greatly affect either ps3 game sales or 360 game sales. Usually if a game comes out for multiple consoles I would think that the only difference is which system you want to play it on.

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If there is difference in content,sue for what, ignorance? How can anyone expect a game that is released on a DVD to have the same content as one released on a Blu Ray disc?
What are you gonna tell the judge?...
"Your Honor, I have an XBOX 360, and I bought a game for it;had I known the PS3 version had more content, I would've bought that, even though I don't own a PS3...". Good luck.

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Do game companies let the consumer know that if they buy the 360 version of the game that it would be missing content? I could see a potential lawsuit sitting there that could greatly affect either ps3 game sales or 360 game sales. Usually if a game comes out for multiple consoles I would think that the only difference is which system you want to play it on.

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If there is difference in content,sue for what, ignorance? How can anyone expect a game that is released on a DVD to have the same content as one released on a Blu Ray disc?
What are you gonna tell the judge?...
"Your Honor, I have an XBOX 360, and I bought a game for it;had I known the PS3 version had more content, I would've bought that, even though I don't own a PS3...". Good luck.

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Maybe false advertising its leading consumers to believe they are getting the same game regardless of console. Its never really been brought up before because up until this generation game consoles used the same media. I don't normally research games before I buy them. I wouldn't like paying 50-60 bucks for a game only to find out that the company cut out content because of space when it could have been put on another disc or two because it all fit on blu ray.

That sucks for xBox users.

Originally posted by juventini:

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That sucks for xBox users.

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Just wait till the next box comes out and dose not fully support the 360 but dose play blu ray discs :P

have to disagree bluray is future for the next 5 years so.
digital content won't take over untill we all have high speed broad band with 50mb+ downstream and no download caps.

1080p streaming video is not a patched on playing the same movie off a bluray disk bit rate is far lower. also you do not get the 7.1 lossess audio.

but who didn't see this comming 360 lack of bluray starting to bite it in the ass. but MS is right tho. if you download the 40 gigs of the game as download it would work just fine on the xbox.

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lol verbal... but what oner is saying is true.

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he very well might be but what has this got to do with the title "Xbox 360 doesn't need Blu-ray, says Microsoft" its an obvious flame bait hijack of a thread between users and the moderator that always goes off topic whenever the ps3 360 divide arises. instead of moderating he uses this site as his soap box to promote sony and drown microsoft.

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LOL! So I am the 1 person that is going to make "THE" difference? Have you even cared to notice how much BS is in the media that plays down Sony and plays up MS? I am just a regular guy posting on a forum who is a Moderator...yeah I have SUCH influence in the world of gaming that my "soap box rants" are soooo pivotal. I guess giving similar cases/examples of a gaming company doing the same things are "off topic" or how it is not okay to talk about Sony in this case when it comes to Blu-ray but perfectly fine in EVERY OTHER thread about Blu-ray (funny how that works isn't it). But you are correct in this case to an extent, as I knew it was going to be a hot button for some to deal with.

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LOL, you're still a bit drunk Oner? Couldn't figure out if you meant "a shot of Petrol", or "a shot of Patrón":)

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Damned Typo! But yes it was Patrón. ;P

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ACTUALLY, when Microsoft wanted to make a console, they wanted to incorporate the ability for PC gamers to play their PC games on the console AND XBOX games and incorporate WINDOWS on the xbox. SONY threw a fit because they knew, by Microsoft doing this, that they would NEVER be able to compete and complained claiming this would make them (Microsoft) a Monopoly (which it would have). Microsoft not only had to comply, but they also had to change the software of their USB devices so external HDD couldn't be used to play PC games, hence the reason you cannot read/write on external HDD plugged into the USB slots of the XBOX 36O, only some media will play. This was NOT because Microsoft wants to deny these abilities with their customers, they HAD to. What's funny is Sony took advantage of this, and allowed the ability to use a different OS (LINUX for example) and external HDD with the ability to read/write. How fair is that? It bothers me when people bash the XBOX 360 and claim how great their PS3 is. Technically they are the same thing. The only thing that separates them is the BR player and console specific games. I own all three, WII, PS3 and XBOX 360. I love all three. I'm sorry for my rant, but the bashing REALLY is getting old.

Back to the topic and subtopic-
Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are pretty much the same. They use the same optical laser, the only difference is the way the laser reads the data. The picture quality is the same. Whoever said that it's because of DRM capabilities that made the Blu Ray player "superior" is correct. HD-DVD was the first on the market, and Microsoft jumped on it. DRM was not coded into any HD-DVD so pirating was easier, thus making it less used with movie companies. Now Microsoft is jumping on the next generation of data transfer. Downloadable content. Personally I would too, because that's where we are headed. Think about CD's. Hardly anyone buys CD's anymore...We live in a nation where people don't like leaving their house. Everything is digital and downloadable. Once audio quality is the same as BR, everyone will be converting. One less reason to leave your house when you can just click a button and download it. Add the ability to keep the data as long as the HDD lasts which is MUCH longer than a cd/dvd/video game disk will last with scratches, theft, etc. 10 years is a bit of a stretch if you think that BR will last that long. I give it 5 more years at the MOST.

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Could you link to any reference, documentation and/or proof about this? Because that is actually a first to me. Not that I am doubting you or anything but I find that a bit odd since the Dreamcast was based off of Windows CE when it was released and I don't think it was an issue then if memory serves me correct. TY.

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Originally posted by ERIJOMO:

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ACTUALLY, when Microsoft wanted to make a console, they wanted to incorporate the ability for PC gamers to play their PC games on the console AND XBOX games and incorporate WINDOWS on the xbox. SONY threw a fit because they knew, by Microsoft doing this, that they would NEVER be able to compete and complained claiming this would make them (Microsoft) a Monopoly (which it would have). Microsoft not only had to comply, but they also had to change the software of their USB devices so external HDD couldn't be used to play PC games, hence the reason you cannot read/write on external HDD plugged into the USB slots of the XBOX 36O, only some media will play. This was NOT because Microsoft wants to deny these abilities with their customers, they HAD to. What's funny is Sony took advantage of this, and allowed the ability to use a different OS (LINUX for example) and external HDD with the ability to read/write. How fair is that? It bothers me when people bash the XBOX 360 and claim how great their PS3 is. Technically they are the same thing. The only thing that separates them is the BR player and console specific games. I own all three, WII, PS3 and XBOX 360. I love all three. I'm sorry for my rant, but the bashing REALLY is getting old.

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Could you link to any reference, documentation and/or proof about this? Because that is actually a first to me. Not that I am doubting you or anything but I find that a bit odd since the Dreamcast was based off of Windows CE when it was released and I don't think it was an issue then if memory serves me correct. TY.

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After reading his post, I was ABOUT to reply, but then decided it was so ridiculously stupid that it was better to just ignore it (per my previous "conspiracy theory BS" comment).

MS are aiming for DL content only in the future. That's patently obvious.

Even now, I can get free unmetered HD video (i.e high bandwidth, large volume) content from certain sites {e.g. iView}. All MS has to do is make an arrangement with the ISPs. Right now I'll bet MS are doing the groundwork getting ready to set this up in the next couple of years or so. They've already started by allowing the whole game to be saved to HDD.

MS are gonna have to get realistic about HDD for this to happen. I bought an external 1TB drive for $120 AUS the other day. There are a few solutions to this that they could take. But the reason that they would probably give up the excessive $$$ they make on their proprietary HDDs now come down to the control that others have already mentioned. There are other obviously appealing reasons too.

Don't believe me? MS have looked at Steam and gone, "ME TOO!"

Sony have a vested interest in BR so ... meh.

The respective companies are surely adopting strategies that they perceive as serving their interests best... and neither has had qualms in forcing fait accompli tactics upon the consumer in the past.

I suppose it's too much to ask that we could have thread that could discuss these notions without resorting to the usual tedious console bashing/plugging? Sigh...

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Anybody that believes that bluray is worth while, would have to believe that DRM is worth while. That's exactly why that format came out on top, it offered protections that HD DVD wasn't offering, and the studios jumped on it. Now that prices have come down, and the protections are broken, I think its viable. Microsoft will have to have some type of high capacity format for its next console to stay competitive and it will probably be bluray. Unless something else comes along, I don't think they'll be streaming 25 to 50 gig games on netflix. In the end, people are buying these consoles for the games. Just my opinion.

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Its replaceing dvd at a steady pace we already have sun 150 BR players, get a cream for your HDVD butt hurt, BR is here and its pretty good.

The only reason they wont put BR into the 360 is production cost and the fact they do not want to have a insignificant(sales wise) line of games on the system.


All in all BR only has 2 at best new DRM systems and they have been hacked so again that butt hur there is a cream for it ya know. :P

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You need to read the posts more thoroughly before commenting. I said pretty clearly in my post that since the price of bluray had come down, and the protections were broken, I though it was viable. I also said that microsoft is going to need some type of high capacity format in their next console to remain competitive. The only negative thing I said about it was why I thought it won the format war nothing else. I have neither format by the way, and if the price of bluray players comes down a bit more I'll probably pick one up. So again, not sure where the butt hurt cream comment is coming from, or did they give you a tube of it when you purchased a first gen bluray player. :)

Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Anybody that believes that bluray is worth while, would have to believe that DRM is worth while. That's exactly why that format came out on top, it offered protections that HD DVD wasn't offering, and the studios jumped on it. Now that prices have come down, and the protections are broken, I think its viable. Microsoft will have to have some type of high capacity format for its next console to stay competitive and it will probably be bluray. Unless something else comes along, I don't think they'll be streaming 25 to 50 gig games on netflix. In the end, people are buying these consoles for the games. Just my opinion.

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Its replaceing dvd at a steady pace we already have sun 150 BR players, get a cream for your HDVD butt hurt, BR is here and its pretty good.

The only reason they wont put BR into the 360 is production cost and the fact they do not want to have a insignificant(sales wise) line of games on the system.


All in all BR only has 2 at best new DRM systems and they have been hacked so again that butt hur there is a cream for it ya know. :P

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You need to read the posts more thoroughly before commenting. I said pretty clearly in my post that since the price of bluray had come down, and the protections were broken, I though it was viable. I also said that microsoft is going to need some type of high capacity format in their next console to remain competitive. The only negative thing I said about it was why I thought it won the format war nothing else. I have neither format by the way, and if the price of bluray players comes down a bit more I'll probably pick one up. So again, not sure where the butt hurt cream comment is coming from, or did they give you a tube of it when you purchased a first gen bluray player. :)

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Oh sorry I skimmed to much that time....(OOHHH SHINY!!!) :P

There is still alot of buthurt(ill feeling) around over blu ray becoming the new disc format.

I got my a nice lil BR burner for my PC not that interested in getting a stand along player will get a PS3, just got a 360 ^^.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Anybody that believes that bluray is worth while, would have to believe that DRM is worth while. That's exactly why that format came out on top, it offered protections that HD DVD wasn't offering, and the studios jumped on it. Now that prices have come down, and the protections are broken, I think its viable. Microsoft will have to have some type of high capacity format for its next console to stay competitive and it will probably be bluray. Unless something else comes along, I don't think they'll be streaming 25 to 50 gig games on netflix. In the end, people are buying these consoles for the games. Just my opinion.

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Its replaceing dvd at a steady pace we already have sun 150 BR players, get a cream for your HDVD butt hurt, BR is here and its pretty good.

The only reason they wont put BR into the 360 is production cost and the fact they do not want to have a insignificant(sales wise) line of games on the system.


All in all BR only has 2 at best new DRM systems and they have been hacked so again that butt hur there is a cream for it ya know. :P

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You need to read the posts more thoroughly before commenting. I said pretty clearly in my post that since the price of bluray had come down, and the protections were broken, I though it was viable. I also said that microsoft is going to need some type of high capacity format in their next console to remain competitive. The only negative thing I said about it was why I thought it won the format war nothing else. I have neither format by the way, and if the price of bluray players comes down a bit more I'll probably pick one up. So again, not sure where the butt hurt cream comment is coming from, or did they give you a tube of it when you purchased a first gen bluray player. :)

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Oh sorry I skimmed to much that time....(OOHHH SHINY!!!) :P

There is still alot of buthurt(ill feeling) around over blu ray becoming the new disc format.

I got my a nice lil BR burner for my PC not that interested in getting a stand along player will get a PS3, just got a 360 ^^.

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No problem zippy, thinking about putting a player in my htpc soon. The price of the blank media is still a little too high for me to splurge on a burner though.

Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Anybody that believes that bluray is worth while, would have to believe that DRM is worth while. That's exactly why that format came out on top, it offered protections that HD DVD wasn't offering, and the studios jumped on it. Now that prices have come down, and the protections are broken, I think its viable. Microsoft will have to have some type of high capacity format for its next console to stay competitive and it will probably be bluray. Unless something else comes along, I don't think they'll be streaming 25 to 50 gig games on netflix. In the end, people are buying these consoles for the games. Just my opinion.

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Its replaceing dvd at a steady pace we already have sun 150 BR players, get a cream for your HDVD butt hurt, BR is here and its pretty good.

The only reason they wont put BR into the 360 is production cost and the fact they do not want to have a insignificant(sales wise) line of games on the system.


All in all BR only has 2 at best new DRM systems and they have been hacked so again that butt hur there is a cream for it ya know. :P

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You need to read the posts more thoroughly before commenting. I said pretty clearly in my post that since the price of bluray had come down, and the protections were broken, I though it was viable. I also said that microsoft is going to need some type of high capacity format in their next console to remain competitive. The only negative thing I said about it was why I thought it won the format war nothing else. I have neither format by the way, and if the price of bluray players comes down a bit more I'll probably pick one up. So again, not sure where the butt hurt cream comment is coming from, or did they give you a tube of it when you purchased a first gen bluray player. :)

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Oh sorry I skimmed to much that time....(OOHHH SHINY!!!) :P

There is still alot of buthurt(ill feeling) around over blu ray becoming the new disc format.

I got my a nice lil BR burner for my PC not that interested in getting a stand along player will get a PS3, just got a 360 ^^.

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No problem zippy, thinking about putting a player in my htpc soon. The price of the blank media is still a little too high for me to splurge on a burner though.

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My buner was 148$ and I can get 15 25GB discs for roughly 40-50$ I was paying as much for 50 DL DVDs last year so its good enough right now to slowly transition to it over the next year, still using more blank dvds.

I read almost every post. I love the ones that get people really talking. IMO I love buying great used games at Gamestop. I don't sell too many of my games though. I keep them and a year later play them again. I just finished 100% percent trophies in crushing mode for Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. BD is essential right now. people still want, and might even always want, a hard copy. There's now way I could store 15 PS3 titles on my original 60g PS3. Not to mention the headache of DRM and no more used copies to buy. If MS actually believes there's no loss to the 360 for not having BD, then their days are numbered because they are idiots.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Anybody that believes that bluray is worth while, would have to believe that DRM is worth while. That's exactly why that format came out on top, it offered protections that HD DVD wasn't offering, and the studios jumped on it. Now that prices have come down, and the protections are broken, I think its viable. Microsoft will have to have some type of high capacity format for its next console to stay competitive and it will probably be bluray. Unless something else comes along, I don't think they'll be streaming 25 to 50 gig games on netflix. In the end, people are buying these consoles for the games. Just my opinion.

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Its replaceing dvd at a steady pace we already have sun 150 BR players, get a cream for your HDVD butt hurt, BR is here and its pretty good.

The only reason they wont put BR into the 360 is production cost and the fact they do not want to have a insignificant(sales wise) line of games on the system.


All in all BR only has 2 at best new DRM systems and they have been hacked so again that butt hur there is a cream for it ya know. :P

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You need to read the posts more thoroughly before commenting. I said pretty clearly in my post that since the price of bluray had come down, and the protections were broken, I though it was viable. I also said that microsoft is going to need some type of high capacity format in their next console to remain competitive. The only negative thing I said about it was why I thought it won the format war nothing else. I have neither format by the way, and if the price of bluray players comes down a bit more I'll probably pick one up. So again, not sure where the butt hurt cream comment is coming from, or did they give you a tube of it when you purchased a first gen bluray player. :)

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Oh sorry I skimmed to much that time....(OOHHH SHINY!!!) :P

There is still alot of buthurt(ill feeling) around over blu ray becoming the new disc format.

I got my a nice lil BR burner for my PC not that interested in getting a stand along player will get a PS3, just got a 360 ^^.

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No problem zippy, thinking about putting a player in my htpc soon. The price of the blank media is still a little too high for me to splurge on a burner though.

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My buner was 148$ and I can get 15 25GB discs for roughly 40-50$ I was paying as much for 50 DL DVDs last year so its good enough right now to slowly transition to it over the next year, still using more blank dvds.

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Gee, that's not like you to jump the gun for a bit of onboard biffo Zip?... :P

I hope someone "OOHHH SHINY!!!ed" your backside for it you
naughty boy.

I too have a BR drive in the HTS I built. But why the f*** should I bother with a BR burner if I can buy a 1Tb external drive for $120 AUS and just store the flicks or whatever to that for an equivalent sum?

Micro$haft suck, instead of being tight fisted why didnt they just build a hd-dvd drive into the 3-Fix-Me to start with, might av give the hd-dvd format a fighting chance.

Bill Gates to his team when discussing the shitbox prob went something like this......

"do we need a hd media drive built in? NO"
"how about a hard drive as standard? NO"
"wireless pads? NO"
"what about wireless pads with built in lithium battery packs? NAH"
"built in Wi-Fi? haha, yea right"
"free access to online gaming? No chance, im broke!"
"ok then we will at least make a reliable console? No lets just rush it out without proper testing to beat the japs at releasing their monster console"

LMAO

A most interesting discussion I must say, in my opinion I BR will be pretty redundant soon. Microsoft will probably streamline its pc/xbox games for the next console, possibly with a backward compatibility for the full range of PC titles available installed to SSD drives/ plug-in 1TB modules, etc. Networked Home Server based Xbox system for full household integration with PC's, X10 apps etc.
Why would optical media be needed; its noisy, vibrates delicate components and creates a lot of storage problems if you go the way of one disc one game/movies.
Sony will want to carry on down the line with discs as it has commit itself a little bit now with BR and needs the revenue, what with all the recent battery/reputation issues and the amount of money it spent securing BR as a standard. Just as Ninetendo did with the game cartridges it invested in to protect its copyrights, Sony has its format medium too with its slightly flawed security protection.
I have an Xbox 360, HTPC, 3 laptops, 2 desktops and always move data between them via network, external HDD/usb stick or camera memory card's, I must have 1000's of cd's and dvd's (themselves taking up as much room as all my tech devices) with stuff backed up that I can no longer remember whats important or required and will probably only have time to sift through them if I become ill for a few weeks (think me kidneys are f**ked so might still happen).

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Microsoft and it's reps have a tendency to say things like that...HDMI not being needed is one, Standardized HDD's being another as well as WiFi not being of importance to name just a few. But my most favorite recent one is when asked if a game like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360? Aaron Greenberg replied ~

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We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII (a 576p multiplat title), Forza Motorsport 3 (only 8 cars on track, no in car cam during MP), Gears 2 (limited 5v5 player MP), and Modern Warfare 2 (another Multiplat game!?!?) on Xbox 360. These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today. (THAT'S a doozy right there if EVER I heard one)

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I know I will probably take crap for that...but I just had to say it ;P

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I agree. It's kinda ridiculous. Microsoft actually puts out some badass games, but when I open the case and there's 30 freaking disks, it gets extremely discouraging.

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Originally posted by Oner:

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Microsoft and it's reps have a tendency to say things like that...HDMI not being needed is one, Standardized HDD's being another as well as WiFi not being of importance to name just a few. But my most favorite recent one is when asked if a game like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360? Aaron Greenberg replied ~

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We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII (a 576p multiplat title), Forza Motorsport 3 (only 8 cars on track, no in car cam during MP), Gears 2 (limited 5v5 player MP), and Modern Warfare 2 (another Multiplat game!?!?) on Xbox 360. These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today. (THAT'S a doozy right there if EVER I heard one)

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I know I will probably take crap for that...but I just had to say it ;P

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I agree. It's kinda ridiculous. Microsoft actually puts out some badass games, but when I open the case and there's 30 freaking disks, it gets extremely discouraging.

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Regardless of the fact you can copy the contents to the hard drive? then you only have to have one of them inserted.

What X360 game comprises of 30 discs btw?

While Streaming media is definetly the way of the future it is many, many, many years from being a viable option the world over... Just as an example places like Australia (where im from) streaming HD media over the internet just isnt a possibility unless your paying absurd amounts on your internet bill as most ISP's plans range from having a download cap of 1-160 gig a month (160 being fairly expensive) with some ISP's just capping the user to around 64-128 kbps and others charging per MB used over (40gig being about the avg. The DL limit will increase if the planned upgrades to Aus's internet goes ahead but we have been waiting for a better internet service to become available for a long while now and I personally dont have high expectations of it being anytime soon... especially with how long it took just to get ADSL2+). Now thats just the download cap which would limit the amount of movies we are able to view or have us paying incredibly ludacris net bill every month.
Then theres the actual speed of the internet which I dont how much bandwidth streaming a HD movie uses but I have had problems streaming a standard 1.2gig DVD. Beyond all that Australia (and other places) is usually slumped with streaming from overseas because of the cost of setting up a server over here because of the crap net speeds we have on offer.

I probably repeated myself a fair bit and more than likely i'm incorrect on pretty much all I have said but even if thats the case, I used to download pirate movies all the time rather than going out and buying a retail DVD but now I buy all my movies simply because I prefer recieving solid matter rather than just the digital coding or whatever... with streaming media your just paying for something that can be recreated an infinite amount of times with no real resources or manpower being used.

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Regardless of the fact you can copy the contents to the hard drive? then you only have to have one of them inserted.

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Most games still require you to swap disks (guess its so 1 person cant buy a copy of a 4 disk game install it on 4 consoles then you technically have 4 copies of the game), it only saves the laser reading constantly(burning out), load speeds and less sound with no disk spinning.

I'm in Adelaide, DigiOsmo, there are more Aussies on this site than you might think. I'm lucky, my connection maxes out at just over 1.1MBs. But that's not great compared to some OS speeds I've seen.

Still, downloading games is the direction that MS are heading for the XBox I reckon. They've looked at Steam and gone, "me too!".

It wouldn't really matter either way if the Xbox 360 got an external blu-ray. The games still wouldn't be able to be on it, because not everyone would have one. It would only be used for movies. Unless they want to sell 2 versions of the game "blu-ray" and "DVD", then this discussion is rather worthless. The next generation of the Xbox may have blu-ray if Sony gives them the right.

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The next generation of the Xbox may have blu-ray if Sony gives them the right.

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Except Sony doesn't own the patents for Blu-Ray tech. They are only a member of the BDA, and a promoter of Blu-Ray, but I believe that Pioneer is the biggest "owner" of Blu-Ray patents. This means Sony doesn't have much of a say in who gets "permission" to create Blu-Ray compatible devices and who doesn't.

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Micro$haft suck, instead of being tight fisted why didnt they just build a hd-dvd drive into the 3-Fix-Me to start with, might av give the hd-dvd format a fighting chance.

Bill Gates to his team when discussing the shitbox prob went something like this......

"do we need a hd media drive built in? NO"
"how about a hard drive as standard? NO"
"wireless pads? NO"
"what about wireless pads with built in lithium battery packs? NAH"
"built in Wi-Fi? haha, yea right"
"free access to online gaming? No chance, im broke!"
"ok then we will at least make a reliable console? No lets just rush it out without proper testing to beat the japs at releasing their monster console"

LMAO

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I definitely agree with this lmao! I would have rather seen a HD DVD drive that came standard with the 360 instead just because. Everyone knew the PS3 was gonna have the built in Blu ray so why not try to do something to compete. They were both practically the same price at start anyways! As for the built in wi-fi thats a major issue that needs to be fixed, why not come out with an Elite console that comes with built in wi-fi instead of LEGO Batman and some other crap came I can't remember.

AS I said befor it would be easy t put a BR player into new units and allow publishers to make HD/SD game releases,compilations and such. They can do this and make live free while making a better subscription level for 8$ a month.

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AS I said befor it would be easy t put a BR player into new units and allow publishers to make HD/SD game releases,compilations and such. They can do this and make live free while making a better subscription level for 8$ a month.

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That's something I would like to see but why make Live free/$8 a month when there's millions of users already paying the $60 a year? Of course I wouldn't mind it being only free/$8. A BR inside now that would be best, the only reason I bought a PS3 was to play BR movies. I only have three games for it, but about 65 movies. If they wanna keep customers happy and bring in new customers I say it's time to put a BR player in the 360. I would definitely buy another one then, I already have two and I paid for one when it first came out and got another after the arcade dropped to around $300. And if they do that they might as well but wi-fi in it.

c'mon people.. of course the toaster oven doesn't need a blu drive or capability.,. going on previous behaviour it's only going to be about another year or two before it's replaced with the "next cash cow ripoff the existing customers" console.. and all 360 games in development will be scrapped. We have been here before....

Expect games to come on 16-30 gig sticks or cards.. or as "pay through your personal console locked account" which get locked forever to the one console the moment you plug it in or download..

the future of media is pure rental.. buy once and never be able to sell/swap/trade/lend/take to a friends house or transfer in any way..

only the customers can discourage this type of tactic.. by boycotting their products with any kind of restrictive drm.. but people won't take a stand will they?.. nah.. "must have now" sheep generation will let them steal our ownership rights away right under our noses even though we tell them it is happening... stupids.. lets all join the lodge so we can whine when it's happened ;)

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c'mon people.. of course the toaster oven doesn't need a blu drive or capability.,. going on previous behaviour it's only going to be about another year or two before it's replaced with the "next cash cow ripoff the existing customers" console.. and all 360 games in development will be scrapped. We have been here before....

Expect games to come on 16-30 gig sticks or cards.. or as "pay through your personal console locked account" which get locked forever to the one console the moment you plug it in or download..

the future of media is pure rental.. buy once and never be able to sell/swap/trade/lend/take to a friends house or transfer in any way..

only the customers can discourage this type of tactic.. by boycotting their products with any kind of restrictive drm.. but people won't take a stand will they?.. nah.. "must have now" sheep generation will let them steal our ownership rights away right under our noses even though we tell them it is happening... stupids.. lets all join the lodge so we can whine when it's happened ;)

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Toaster oven! lmao - seriously funny

But on another note, I hate drm stuff, if you own it why put this crap thing on there, makes no sense to me. Now if you are only "renting" it then that's another story.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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AS I said befor it would be easy t put a BR player into new units and allow publishers to make HD/SD game releases,compilations and such. They can do this and make live free while making a better subscription level for 8$ a month.

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That's something I would like to see but why make Live free/$8 a month when there's millions of users already paying the $60 a year? Of course I wouldn't mind it being only free/$8. A BR inside now that would be best, the only reason I bought a PS3 was to play BR movies. I only have three games for it, but about 65 movies. If they wanna keep customers happy and bring in new customers I say it's time to put a BR player in the 360. I would definitely buy another one then, I already have two and I paid for one when it first came out and got another after the arcade dropped to around $300. And if they do that they might as well but wi-fi in it.

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Well mainly because you'd get more people buying crap on live if you did not steal 5$ a month for them just to MP.

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It wouldn't really matter either way if the Xbox 360 got an external blu-ray. The games still wouldn't be able to be on it, because not everyone would have one. It would only be used for movies. Unless they want to sell 2 versions of the game "blu-ray" and "DVD", then this discussion is rather worthless. The next generation of the Xbox may have blu-ray if Sony gives them the right.

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Does anybody remember the Nintendo 64 expansion slot you had to upgrade with to play the more powerful games?

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Originally posted by alexmojo2:

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It wouldn't really matter either way if the Xbox 360 got an external blu-ray. The games still wouldn't be able to be on it, because not everyone would have one. It would only be used for movies. Unless they want to sell 2 versions of the game "blu-ray" and "DVD", then this discussion is rather worthless. The next generation of the Xbox may have blu-ray if Sony gives them the right.

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Does anybody remember the Nintendo 64 expansion slot you had to upgrade with to play the more powerful games?

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Oh ya lol I remember! Pain in the ass! I mean easy to install, but what a rip off. I had the PS1 but I remember one of my friends that had the N64. I later bought that N64 from him with 15 games for like $50 bucks lol I still go it actually, along with all the older consoles!

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Originally posted by ffocus06:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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AS I said befor it would be easy t put a BR player into new units and allow publishers to make HD/SD game releases,compilations and such. They can do this and make live free while making a better subscription level for 8$ a month.

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That's something I would like to see but why make Live free/$8 a month when there's millions of users already paying the $60 a year? Of course I wouldn't mind it being only free/$8. A BR inside now that would be best, the only reason I bought a PS3 was to play BR movies. I only have three games for it, but about 65 movies. If they wanna keep customers happy and bring in new customers I say it's time to put a BR player in the 360. I would definitely buy another one then, I already have two and I paid for one when it first came out and got another after the arcade dropped to around $300. And if they do that they might as well but wi-fi in it.

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Well mainly because you'd get more people buying crap on live if you did not steal 5$ a month for them just to MP.

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Ya I see what you mean.

forget everything !!
USB will be the future! lol
All the game developers would sell their games inside new packed usb(s).Everytime you would want a game,a new usb. (which will be locked/protected).
REASON : Nowadays,when the games are under development,the developers and the engineers/animators face great problems in scaling down the details or sizes of the games.. so that they can easily fit into their respective target media.. e.g Blu-ray OR HD-DVD.
if the game would be produced at 13 GB,hah ! no need of burning a blu-ray disc! they'll prolly ship it with a 16 gb usb drive.
At that time(future), memory manufacturers will decrease their prices as because of increasing demand by companies ....! =)
And there goes my first ever post over this website ;) very helpful website though =)
guys!! feedback! :P

Originally posted by Dreamstate83:

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Does anybody remember the Nintendo 64 expansion slot you had to upgrade with to play the more powerful games?

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There is a difference between upgrading an optical drive and a expansion card. The 64 upgrade was easy and required almost no tools. They also included the expansion card with Donkey Kong 64, the first game that required it. Majora's Mask also required it but that was it.

Perfect Dark to advantage of it but didn't require it to play.

They could include an external Blu-Ray add-on, similar to the HD DVD add-on, with a game but it would have to be <$110 to be successful, in my opinion.

Since Microsoft didn't give the 360 S (slim) a Blu-Ray drive I don't see an add-on coming in the future.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Yup, the 360 does not NEED bluray support, it does not even NEED to exist. Video games and movies are not NEEDed to begin with. Seems like they should at least let you use a USB bluray drive, but you don't NEED it, so screw you!

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your a edited for content idiot blu-ray is gorgeous and the ps3 slim is super sexy the 360 is only good for one thing and that's it's beautiful exclusives but the ps3 is a multi media power house and the world thanks sony for making it

Please refrain from insulting other members here on aD. Topic closed.